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effective. so what kind of leadership does he think the united states needs now? general stanley mcchrystal, welcome to hardtalk. thanks for having me. divided country, now divided congress. given the situation that faces him?

about america's sustainability as a working democracy. i think that means you've got to bring people together. if we do not fix it, we're going to be in trouble. do you see him doing that? but actually acting in that way, and i think it is time. ok, but you talk about a crisis in leadership, why? well, i think that we've got a number of activities. their own personal agenda and well—being. i think we've also incentivised very extreme on the left and right. we pull at people's emotions. we use fear.

generate support and excitement. and an electorate that is engaged and willing to compromise. leaders: myth and reality. would you describe president trump as a successful leader? by his metrics. he has been able to push a number of items in his agenda. so he has been effective at doing that. he has been successful by a certain set of metrics. but you cannot argue that he has had success. you would say, what, no?

that is one measure, good or bad. i do not believe he has been the leader america needs. i think the leader america needs really comes from inside americans. then we need to decide what our nation is. what are our values? how do we want to be viewed in the world? what do we want to leave for our grandchildren? you can go who our leader should be. they have not had. for probably decades. almost since the end of the second world war. and feels helpless politically. and they have a point, it

is an absolutely legitimate view. and i think that is true. i think it is fair to question our political system. it is fair to question the direction we were going. for the country. the "caravan", as it is called. he has referred to it as an invasion, is it? in my view, no. something different? well, it creates a mental image.

to crush our lines or to take over the country. or willingness for certain actions. nations must control their borders. should control our borders. without our permission and agreement. it is hard to do but that should be the goal —period. that said, nations should be compassionate. we should have effective immigration laws. it is hard to consider them invaders. should be able to control its borders. he says, 15,000 us soldiers to the border to control it. there has been some pushback from various senior military figures. would you be among them? i don't think it's the move

that i would recommend. i think it also plays to emotion. should we control our border? that is something that we, as a nation, should do. and shoot the invaders because that is inaccurate. and soldiers in mexico, we will consider that a firearm. implicit in that is the idea that they might be shot at. immigrants moving forward.

the iraqi army and police — you'll know these figures. by partisan, political purposes. in ways that democracy should avoid. now, he said that actuallyjust about the sending of the troops. i thinkjim dubik is right. you know, as far back in history as you can record it. particularly for a symbol like this for internal domestic politics. "well, we should not control our borders". we need to make sure that is clear.

and we forget it. if immigrants came forward and it we used physical force against them? to the morality of the soldiers put in that position is unconscionable. execute the order we should have given you. would you effectively defy the president's order? and i would consider shooting innocent civilians an illegal order. there are rules of engagement put out.

if theyjust disagree with policy. that we hear of in the white house. thwarting presidential orders. much more measured. i do not know any more about it than what's written there. but that is the right approach, is it? well, if it is illegal you have responsibility not to do it.

you should argue with it, you should make a counter claim. if you cannot live with it, you should resign. if you just find that you think it is not a good idea. of the government. so the military does not pick and choose what it wants to do. and that is not the american constitution. and the department of defence". more troops, a surge of troops, to afghanistan. that the effects were costly. in what, in lives?

there was some misunderstanding. and they naturally recoiled at the request. i was in the pentagon at the time. they do not want to do it before the election. a decision like that before the election. with the result that they put it right after the new team comes in. like a powerplay. asks for more troops. from the pentagon.

it is hard to bridge that gap. or is itjust with hindsight that you've came to the understanding? i was aware and others that the mistrust was building. and you actually could have sympathy from both sides. "hey, we're just trying to do our job, do what we think is done. must be lives. well, live, success in the mission, they are always tied together. you have written about afghanistan. you were actually in control for a year. prior to that you were much longer in iraq. you in a way that iraq did not. you developed strong feelings for the afghans and their nation. why?

the afghans are a people that really can endear themselves. if you go back to the mid—70s. subject to pakistani operations inside their country. they have tried to put their society back together but it is really hard. are there people who are corrupt? is there inefficient government? for their country, policemen, men, guardpost. up close, it is much more sympathetic than it looks from afar.

since they were removed all that time ago. and combatants on all sides — again, a record high. as well as for afghanistan, hasn't it? in school now for the last 17 years has skyrocketed. there's a young generation of males as well. of what afghanistan is. i don't think the future looks like the past.

has changed itself. into government, you don't see that as a backward step? well, i see it as a challenge. from, because i think the afghan people deserve better. that the united states and others basically want a way out? and i think that causes the afghans to have tremendous apprehension. on afghanistan. had lost 1.

as our surrogates. we'd given some arms and money, but then we disengaged. essentially is cultivating an allotment in the jungle. the question is what happens when the gardeners... i mean, do you — "when the gardeners leave" to finish the quote. practically, what difference can the united states make? again, i am sentimental about it. we don't invest good money after bad, we do that stuff. we're outta here, we don't care now.

in a difficult position. that in iraq, where you were, for years, in control. forces operations there. machine", is that — is that really what it was? in thatjob.

0k, and you often personally accompanied the teams at night. why? decisions about it. appreciation for the nuances of it. that's one part. a bit of the hardship and danger with them. on the line, that you're not worth more than they are. yeah. you said "we didn't really know what we were doing. right. i mean, did you — were you too slow getting a grip on that? i was as fast as i knew how to be for the part i was.

i wasn't involved in abu ghraib at all, nor was my organisation. kind of construct. policy would be for dealing with them. we didn't do it very well, i mean the reality is... did you get useful information? approvingly of some form of enhanced interrogation. yeah. it degrades your moral capacity. with detainees. we had one detainee that ultimately led us to abu musab al—zarqawi.

and a woman interrogation team every day. and that's what actually works. who you oversaw the killing of. he features in your book on leaders. yeah, right. the relationship you have with him. yeah. well, it's the right term. not just a terrorist leader but a leader. hot with belief.

and self there. well, you always have to look in the mirror. but he was an effective leader. a charismatic leader. were you an effective leader? i think so. journalist? i'm not a perfect leader. over the long—term. now, you were in such an important position over iraq and afghanistan.

at the situation there now? i think the invasion of iraq was a mistake. to an area where that was unlikely to stick easily. regime was going to stabilise the region.

but i did see some bad decisions. i don't think it's as easy to criticise in its intent. general stanley mcchrystal, thank you for coming on hardtalk. thank you. appreciate it, yeah. hello there. into wednesday morning. flooding on some of the roads there.

looking better for many of us, with quite a bit of sunshine around. up from the south—west to affect mainly central portions of the uk. a chilly start. a touch of frost. but these are towns and city values to begin this morning. you'll notice the yellow colours further south—west. through the morning. moving into scotland and northern ireland. plenty of sunshine to start the day across the south—east.

into wales, and then into northern england into the afternoon. it should stay dry. again, with temperatures reaching 1a or 15 degrees in the south. set to bring us a spell of gales and heavy rain. areas through friday. to your bbc local radio for the latest updates on this. is going to start fine. breezy, yes, but there'll also be some sunshine around. and then into western britain as we head on towards the afternoon. over hills, we could be looking at 60 to maybe 70 mph.

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