the in london on their way to the cenotaph marking 100 years to end the first world war. martin bentham, it is always a very poignant day in oui’ it is always a very poignant day in our calendar, but this year inevitably it would be even more so. yes, i mean, if you think this is the moment when, all those years, 100 years ago, all those years of conflict suddenly came to an end, it is unimaginable actually what that must have felt like to the people who were involved in that horrendous conflict that went on. so, yes, of course, catapult yourself of course into their mind, the minds of people who were there, and it meant, that's what today is about really these are the people who were not there themselves, these were military vetera ns themselves, these were military veterans of long—standing, who have actually been through a war subsequent to that of course. yes, the war that was never meant to happen, indeed. let's look at the times, nation salutes the forlan, a picture of the queen in prayer on the balcony from the commonwealth office overlooking the cenotaph as

prince charles later wreath on her behalf today. —— fallen. . what was very different was the fact that 10,000 members of the public were able to process passed this cenotaph which doesn't normally happen. not at all, and there was a sense that this was a genuinely milestone moment for the whole country. obviously it is the centenary of the end of the war to end all wars, which obviously was far from that, but there seemed to be more of a recognition of the sacrifice of so many young kids. and they were by any standard, you know, very, very young, many of them. the idealism which was soon destroyed by the realities, the stark realities of the brutal trench warfare, and therefore there is this sense of it being a bigger event, notjust because of the 100 years, but maybe because of the 100 years, but maybe because it is a time to reassess just how significant a moment it was

in this country's building as well. because in many ways the centenary was always going to be the big occasion that we needed to mark with the end of the first world war, but if we look at the daily mirror, 100 yea rs if we look at the daily mirror, 100 years on the nation unites to remember the sacrifice of four heroes, it says, for your tomorrow they gave their today and here we have an army veteran with a little girl with her wellies on in his arms, this was at the armed forces memorial in staffordshire — you do wonder what comes next, how do we market in future? then there are children who are still learning about this at school, quite rightly, and young people turning up in significant numbers at these commemorations today. significant numbers at these commemorations todaylj significant numbers at these commemorations today. i suppose also that it commemorations today. i suppose also thatitis commemorations today. i suppose also that it is notjust about the first world war, the remembrance sunday, it is the ongoing conflicts, the complex which has have happened since then, and i suppose even those which have continued since, and

going back to the picture we have just seen of the queen, she lived through the second world war, as many other people did, the chelsea pensioners in the guardian front page, those people would have been participants, lived through and experienced absolutely the full horror of war. so i suppose to that point of view it will continue, it should continue because, u nfortu nately, should continue because, unfortunately, war remains a living thing and of course for some of the soldiers who died in relatively recent, very recent times from our own country and others in conflict in iraq and afghanistan and elsewhere, all those people need to be remembered as well. yes, and it is absolutely within living memory, isn't it, in the last few years we still have servicemen and women die. to be fair, if you look at it, we have always had this. it has been brought home more because of the specific nature of these conflicts in which the village forces have been involved. what i think is interesting is, my kids, different

ages, but they have both been really interested in the last couple of weeks. there has been a big thing at school. and they are nine and 12. they have been really i would say brought into the reality of it and they have been really keen. they have lots of questions. and i can't answer them all. some of the programmes that have been on, a fantastic one about the versailles treaty, something on this evening about the jackson film, with the colour images, and it brings... it isn'tjust a series of colour images, and it brings... it isn't just a series of grainy old pictures. becomes real, doesn't it, for this generation? it is also important, isn't it, not only clearly did the second world war end up clearly did the second world war end up following the forced world war, partly a result of what happened after the first world war, other things, iraq for example, the creation of that country was after the first world war, so some of the

loa ns the first world war, so some of the loans in the middle east, which have been great fault lines in history ever since, and been great fault lines in history eversince, and in been great fault lines in history ever since, and in current politics, we re ever since, and in current politics, were drawn up as ever since, and in current politics, were drawn up as a ever since, and in current politics, were drawn up as a result of the first world war itself. still seeing the implications of it. the world in which we live is still shaped by the first and second world war, so to pretend, to move away and forget these horrible things, would be to leave people ill informed about... what was the outcome of the first world war, it is too soon to say. paul kruger next to mac —— talk us through these next to mac. we were surprised by the photographs in the daily mail and the daily express —— next two. the queen in prayer with the duchess of sussex and the duchess of cambridge and on the express they are all there with their eyes closed, the choice of these three women, two of whom our recent additions to the royalfamily, it whom our recent additions to the

royal family, it struck us as a slightly odd choice of photograph. royal family, it struck us as a slightly odd choice of photographlj slightly odd choice of photograph.” don't really think so. the times has gone with the same front—page picture of the queen. this is the idea of something that goes across generations. people become aware... let's be fair, if you are a member of the royal family, there is a sense of duty and obligation as well i think. they are at the forefront of any sort of national feeling of significance, you expect them to be there. the photo of the queen is a great photo and it encapsulates what someone great photo and it encapsulates what someone who as i say lived through a war, not this one, she's probably, well, obviously we don't know what she was thinking at the precise moment, but clearly... they change the family name because of world war i. clearly showing that. the question here is if you looked at the queen was standing on, with the duchess of cambridge, next to the duchess of cambridge, next to the duchess of cambridge, next to the duchess of cornwall, and meghan markle was not there. the new royal.

so from that point of view i suppose strictly speaking, if you were doing that picture, it should have been the duchess of cornwall. to be frank, it sounds terrible, but these two, they are the showbiz people, they are interesting, they are attractive women, so people are interested in seeing their reaction andi interested in seeing their reaction and i think they are actually very good photographs, and they capture it, don't they? even there, someone who has just arrived it, don't they? even there, someone who hasjust arrived in it, don't they? even there, someone who has just arrived in the royal family, that expression on herface shows that she understands... the enormity. exactly, there is a sense of depth in them in that regard. these are not people just paying lip service. they recognise that this is a deeper significant thing. and for different reasons as well. let's look at the ft because this today was about the commemoration and reconciliation in many ways, and we have the german president here for the first time taking part in our eventin

the first time taking part in our event in london. but here we have macron attacks nationalism in armistice day rebuke to trump and there was criticism of president trump because he didn't turn out because of the rain supposedly, there was no contingency plan for it, other leaders did, this is macron saying that patriotism has been betrayed by nationalism. yes, sending a message to the america first notion of donald trump. so clearly, and i can understand why he would say that. i suppose the only question is... clearly nationalism was a driving force in the first world war, the second world war, and a very destructive force it has been at times. on the other hand, the a nswer at times. on the other hand, the answer that the french president might have is problematic as well potentially in that if you try to suppress national identities, and pretend that they don't exist, then

that in itself can also be destru cted that in itself can also be destructed by things, so i can quite see why he's attacking president trump here and perhaps even, although it has focused on trump, vladimir putin was there, and he's a great nationalist leader. there is also the historical content, the isolationist tendencies before world war two, you know, at the first america first policy, lindbergh, to keep america... and there were no issues with president roosevelt in the first place. and also the world wari the first place. and also the world war i thing. you know, everyone thinks of wilfred owen. it is sweet and noble to die for one's country. you know, this idea of duty and honour as well are all part of the world war i memorial. so it does all play into the same sort of global concept, though. let's look at the telegraph as a final discussion on

armistice, and this beautiful photograph of one of these beach etchings that was thought up by danny boyle, the film director, and the event organiser, as he is now known after the olympics, too. such a beautiful idea, wasn't it? it was, and they were tremendously executed, when you saw the aerial photographs of the various different sculptures that were created. they really are absolutely superb. the idea of the sea washing them away as well. that we are all fleeting moments on the earth. and then we disappear. and thatis earth. and then we disappear. and that is it. you know, the reality is that is it. you know, the reality is that there are very few people alive today who were alive during the war. nobody who fought in it is any more alive. the wall has move on. there is the misquotation of opinion column, "they shall not grow old" it

is "they shall grow not old", that is, they shall always be flesh, and this is what it is about, to keep the memories of the sacrifice our fresh. let's look at something different, and we always have to look at brexit, don't we, in the daily telegraph, boris johnson, cabinet must stage and in —— must stage and new kidney. have to put him on the front page to get the money is worth. —— must stage a mutiny. interesting that the times and admittedly the telegraph has a broadsheet front page, it has scope to do more stories on the front page, and the times has done their duty of the serious full—page presentation of the armistice day celebrations, the telegraph trying to move on to give readers something

fresh tomorrow, that is why it is a different story in the papers, trying to do the same, the guardian, which we will come to, yes, and as you say, boris insisting the possibility of britain trapped, the idea of the backstop, and, in effect, the independent arbitration idea that our country wanted to have, which was rejected by the eu, he says it's not acceptable, we can't have a situation where we are locked into a customs union permanently, which is an argument that many on the brexit site would take. and i've got to say it does seem take. and i've got to say it does seem inconceivable that a sovereign country can be told," you can never remove yourself from an arrangement you have signed up to" because that would deny the right of any future parliament to change the arrangement. so i do agree with that point that it seems absolutely impossible to agree to something where we have no right ever to go back on it and to remove ourselves

from this backstop. i wonder if we will have a mutiny. we have had enough resignations including from his brother. we are told again this weekend their own four set to go, we we re weekend their own four set to go, we were told there were eight is set to go and they haven't. one may have done. we were supposed to have a deal by now. if there is an" cabinet mutiny" and the government of the day, you know, the prime minister can't get their way on an issue of such significance, then they can only be a change of government, change of prime minister, who would benefit? blimey! there is a range of them queueing up. there is one particular who rather fancies it! them queueing up. there is one particular who rather fancies mm probably won't benefit him. particular who rather fancies mm probably won't benefit himm particular who rather fancies mm probably won't benefit him. it is self—serving, but then again it is his column, so if fair enough. quick comment from both of you on the guardian story, police chiefs aim to reduce legal protections. and search. you may be about to tell us about this —— legal protections.

search. you may be about to tell us about this —— legal protectionsm is limited in a sense. 0n the other hand it does clearly have an awful lot of people, you know, their statistics. and ——. and search there it isa statistics. and ——. and search there it is a slightly higher rate than that. on the one hand it does have a deterrent effect and that is why people hide knives under bushes, to stop themselves from being caught on the street. if you look at the rate, they have caught a lot of people carrying weapons. so there is a degree of effect to it. clearly the long—term solution is something else because by the time they are on the street it is too late. just briefly theissue street it is too late. just briefly the issue with the impact it can have on the police and certain sections of society... it was in the

805 when the view was that it was disproportionately targeted towards ethnic minority kid5 walking the 5treet5 ethnic minority kid5 walking the streets and there will be an issue with proving that it isn't the way. that is it, that is all we have time for. thank you very much. don't forget you can see all other pages online on bbc website. if you missed the programme any evening, you can watch it later on the bbc iplayer. it is the film review coming up next. thank you very much. good night. hello there and welcome to the film review here on bbc news. taking us through this week's cinema releases is yes,