hello, you're watching afternoon live. i'm rebecca jones. today at 2pm. a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of banned terrorist group national action. there rubbish hasn't changed. they are seeking violent extremes and they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. pressure intensifies on theresa may to get backing for her brexit plan. opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet. you must do more. foreign secretaryjeremy hunt visits saudi arabia — to urge leaders to co—operate with the investigation into the murder ofjournalist jamal khashoggi. coming up on afternoon live, all the sport with katherine. i think world number one novak djokovic is back on court this afternoon. he is. a shock defeat for

roger federer yesterday, novak djokovic will be back on court. and whyjose mourinho thinks the manchester derby went the way it did. thanks, katherine. and susan powell has all the weather, and the weather continuing to cause problems on the west coast of america. we will be taking a look at how the weather pattern across the state at the moment is helping those wildfires to be sustained and possibly causing them to spread a little bit further. also coming up — vets accuse the government of telling ‘bare faced lies' about the effectiveness of one of its badger culls in england. hello. this is afternoon live. three people have been convicted of being members of the far—right neo—nazi group

national action. it brings to ten the number of people found guilty of belonging to the banned group this year. adam thomas and claudia patatas from banbury, who named their child after adolf hitler, and daniel bogunovic from leicester, will be sentenced at birmingham crown court in december. the group, which was founded in 2013, was forbidden under anti—terror laws after it celebrated the murder of the labour mp, jo cox. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford reports. a provocative national action demo, before it was banned as a neo—nazi terrorist organisation after celebrating the murder of the labour mpjo cox. on the left here, enthusiastically giving the nazi salute, was national action's main organiser in the midlands, alex deakin. open about his nazi views, he would recruit in universities and even targeted schoolchildren.

but after national action was banned, he took his members underground. borrowing tactics from so—called islamic state, he communicated using an encrypted chat group called the triple k mafia, named after the ku klux klan. they are learning from other terrorist organisations how to communicate, how to radicalise, how to recruit individuals, how to gather weaponry and equipment. their ambition hasn't changed, they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. perhaps the most dangerous recruit to deakin's group was mikko vehvilainen, a serving lance corporal in the british army. he wrote about creating civil disorder and attacking national infrastructure, and accumulated a personal arsenal of guns, crossbows and knives. he had a dummy in his garage which he used to practise stabbing, and a collection of nazi—themed weapons and badges.

he had access to young soldiers in his regiment, the royal anglian, and recruited at least three to the neo—nazi cause. he has now been found guilty of being a member of national action and has been thrown out of the army, along with one of his nazi recruits. these individuals were weeded out, there was a joint operation between us and the police. if there are such serious breaches of values and standards, then the army will take the most serious action against these individuals. and what does that involve? well, that ranges, but it can result in their service being terminated. one of the most extreme people in mikko vehvilainen's group was adam thomas, who also wanted to join the army. he and his partner claudia patatas gave their baby the middle name adolf after adolf hitler. amazingly, just two years earlier, adam thomas had been in israel, and trying to convert to the jewish faith. but by the time of their arrest,

claudia patatas and adam thomas's house was full of ku klux klan paraphernalia and nazi symbols, and they also had ambitions for violent disorder, stockpiling weapons like machetes in their bedroom and buying a £1000 crossbow. adam thomas even discussed stealing an sa—80 assault rifle from the army. his friend darren fletcher, seen here on the left, wrote in the encrypted chat group about killing antiwhite mps in the government, and adam thomas agreed this was a good idea. and it's not been just talk. in wales, one former national action member, zac davies, was convicted of attempting to murder a sikh dentist with a machete. another, jack redshaw, admitted plotting to murder his mp in lancashire. and a third, jack coulson, was found guilty of building a viable pipe bomb in yorkshire. the national action phenomenon and other extreme right—wing groups have led to a change in tactics

by the government. the security service mi5 is now taking the lead in gathering intelligence on the threat. it means that extreme right—wing groups that pose a threat of violence are now being treated in the same way as other terrorist organisations. daniel sandford, bbc news, at mi5 headquarters. theresa may is under even more pressure over brexit this lunchtime. she has 48 hours to put a workable deal together with full cabinet support in time for a possible summit in brussels later this month. and that full support seems still some way off. meanwhile, labour's spokesman keir starmer has said brexit can be stopped, appearing to openly contradict his party leaderjeremy corbyn. our political correspondent chris mason reports. the grand plan, a big brexit summit in brussels, looking a bit like this, to sign of a withdrawal agreement. the october deadline came and went.

and now, it's mid—november. the chances of a november summit are increasingly remote, what are the indications? we are working hard for a deal, a number of important issues which we still have to get bottomed out but we can't rush it, we have to get the right deal, this is an agreement which will endure for many years and we have to take the time to make sure that we get it right. have you any time? we haven't set a particular deadline, we have to be mindful of the parliamentary arrangements in the uk. the uk is leaving the european union at 11 o'clock on friday the 29th march next year. the government wants a withdrawal agreement with the eu, preferably by the end of this month. but that could slip. and then it has to get it through parliament, which looks far from certain. and if it is defeated in the commons, frankly, who knows what will happen? the prime minister has tied hercules so firmly to this deal, if the deal doesn't get through it is very difficult to see

how she can continue finishing would have to go? i think if the deal was voted down by parliament i cannot see how she could continue. and we now know the scale and breadth of concern within the cabinet when the prime minister's vision for brexit was first set out in the summer. trade secretary liam fox had concerns, as did the home secretary, sajid javid, and the chancellor wondered if it was achievable, and brexiteers like esther mcvey and penny mordaunt also expressed their doubts. and here is penny mordaunt today, not exactly oozing enthusiasm for the government's plan. the important thing is that there is two checks on this deal, cabinet and parliament. cabinet'sjob is to put something to parliament that is going to deliver on the referendum result. meanwhile over the weekend, the labour leaderjeremy corbyn said the brexit train can't be stopped. but take a look at this from, yes, his brexit spokesman. yes or no, can brexit be stopped?

yes, technically it can be stopped but the question is, what decisions will arise and what about the vote? and this former labour prime minister reckons there will be another referendum. but he is worried. if nothing changes, then we will be an even more divided britain, there is no doubt in my mind about that, more divided than during the three—day week of the ‘70s, more divided than during the miners strike in the eighties. is the current prime minister returned to downing street this morning, we are left with one big question — what is going to happen with brexit? your guess is as good as mine. chris mason, bbc news, westminster. our chief political correspondent vicki young has the latest from westminster. it does feel as if these decisions,

the big decision day, it'sjust being deferred all the time, and there is a reason for that. theresa may knows whatever decision she makes, there will be many in her cabinet and makes, there will be many in her cabinetand in makes, there will be many in her cabinet and in parliament who would be happy and that is the problem she has reached now. we have had the former foreign secretary boris johnson today calling on the cabinet to mutiny. we know that many of them we re to mutiny. we know that many of them were unhappy back when that so—called checkers deal was agreed by them, but many of them now have told the bbc that they had deep reservations about it and that is the problem. listening to penny mordaunt there, a eurosceptic in the cabinet, it is clear that people like don't necessarily think what they're being offered at the moment is really respecting that referendum result. another eurosceptic conservative backbencher had this to say earlier. it is an open secret that there are five or six cabinet ministers that

are very unhappy with checkers. what they do will be up to them but all cabinet members are going to be judged at the bar of history by what they do over the next few weeks. but then they are at the apogee of our political system, judgment day is coming, and they will be judged on whether or not they had the moral courage to defend their country or whether a car and courage to defend their country or whethera carand a courage to defend their country or whether a car and a red box and being called served by a civil servant was being called served by a civil servant was more being called served by a civil servant was more important than the nation's destiny. and the sticking point is still this suggestion that the uk could stay in some form of customs union with the eu. that is to avoid any border checks between northern ireland and ireland until some kind of trading relationship or free trade agreement is in place to deal with all of that. but there are many in the cabinet and that. but there are many in the cabinetand in that. but there are many in the cabinet and in parliament who want to know the uk can get out of that. otherwise they say it could be that getting out of that is harder than getting out of that is harder than

getting out of the eu, we are in a worse position. there is a strange formulation now with those on the remain side of the argument think we are going to be so closely aligned with the eu but without any say over what is going on that we might as well stay in, and they are aligned with those on the opposite side of the argument in the referendum would just say, we don't have the independence to make any of these decisions and so it is really not worth having. they think they should bea worth having. they think they should be a much cleaner break. we will have to see. there is a cabinet meeting on tuesdays, we don't know yet whether tomorrow will be one. one that is significant along this role towards brexit. and how crucial is the role of labour in all of this because today we had keir starmer saying brexit can be stopped, which is at odds with what we heard from jeremy corbyn. they are crucial because of the parliamentary arithmetic. theresa may only has a majority because of the democratic

unionist party, which means any rebels on either side could change that and labour mps become very important. jeremy corbyn, over 30 yea rs important. jeremy corbyn, over 30 years in parliament, he invariably voted in a eurosceptic way so many feel, even though he says he voted to remain in the eu, that over the yea rs to remain in the eu, that over the years he has been much more sceptical about the european union, so sceptical about the european union, so he very clearly at the weekend saying brexit can't be stopped, and is brexit spokesman keir starmer saying, yes, it can. there is a big debate going on about what happens if theresa may's deal is voted down by parliament and i think there is a difference between the parliamentary techniques they can use, if you like, the change things, but the political reality, listening to form minister saying, if theresa may, after a ll minister saying, if theresa may, after all these years of negotiation, if she ends up being defeated on this, politically it is ha rd to defeated on this, politically it is hard to see how she could carry on,

so hard to see how she could carry on, so then anything could happen and i think that is what most people are feeling, that it is not done and dusted. it does not necessarily mean we leave with no deal at the end of march, that could find a way, because if there is no majority for no deal in parliament, could a prime minister, whoever that is, really go against the will of mps, and that is why there is so much uncertainty. thank you very much. 31 people are now confirmed dead and more than 200 are missing in the wildfires in northern california. that makes them the deadliest in the state's history. around 4,000 firefighters have been tackling the flames, which have been driven by hot, dry winds. chi—chi izundu reports. three major fires continue on their path of destruction. the campfire in the foothills of the sierra nevada mountains north of sacramento has razed nearly 6500 buildings and effectively wiped the town of paradise off the map. at least 31 people are dead.

it is the most destructive fire in californian history. more than 200 are still missing and a quarter of a million people have fled the area. we had no more water and saw the fire came back and we just watched it go. the governor wants the white house to declare a major disaster to get more aid. there is a certain amount of dryness in the vegetation and the soil and the air. and the winds get up 50 to 60 mph. this is what happens. and we have to keep understanding it better. but we are in a new abnormal and things, things like this will be part of our future. in the us this year, wildfires have burned an area nearly the same size as northern ireland and wales combined, well above average. thousands of firefighters battling to contain the blazes in a region that has not seen significant rainfall for seven months. i have two sons and two grandchildren up there.

i can't find out anything about them. i don't know if they are all right or if they got out. this is a picture of them. for this man, tv appeals for loved ones have brought better news. overwhelming joy. just so ecstatic. i didn't know if they were alive and they're alive. the fires are not discriminating. celebrity homes have also been hit. welcome to my home in malibu. that is actor gerard butler returning to the ruins of his home. in a tweet he thanked emergency services for their sacrifice and courage. what we can do, we will do some short bursts, we'll keep our water. cool that propane tank occasionally. firefighters are doing what they can. they're urging people to heed the evacuation orders and a warning with 60 mph winds expected in the next few days, the fires are still spreading quickly and unexpectedly. chi—chi izundu, bbc news.

the foreign secretaryjeremy hunt is in saudi arabia urging the authorities there to do more to deliverjustice for the family of the murdered journalist jamal khashoggi. he was killed in the saudi consulate in istanbul six weeks ago. the foreign secretary's visit comes after the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, told the saudi crown prince, that washington would hold everyone involved in the killing accountable. richard galpin reports. foreign secretary ‘s visit in saudi arabia started with a meeting this morning with king salman. mr hunt a p pa re ntly morning with king salman. mr hunt apparently aiming to keep the pressure on the country's leadership following the killing of jamal khashoggi last month. he was expected to tell them the international community remains united in horror and outrage at the brutal murder of jamal khashoggi united in horror and outrage at the brutal murder ofjamal khashoggi and encourages the saudi authorities to cooperate fully with the turkish

investigation into his death. it is now more than five weeks since the journalist may be fatal decision to enter the saudi consulate in istanbul. having initially denied he had been murdered there, the saudi authorities eventually admitted this, but are still claiming the royal family was not involved. but at the weekend, dirty‘s president made an important announcement. he said he had handed over audio recordings to western countries, including britain, purportedly documenting the killing, and he says the murder was ordered at the highest levels of the saudi government. also adding to the pressure on the saudi leadership, the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, who was in paris yesterday, said the united states would hold all those involved in the murder accountable. his comments made in a phone call with crown prince mohammed bin salman, the country's

de facto leader. but how much all this will convince the saudis to reveal a ll this will convince the saudis to reveal all the details of who ordered the killing is questionable. and meanwhile, there is another agenda. the long conflict in yemen in which saudi arabia has been playing a key role. there is a push now for a ceasefire, being led by the united states, britain and other western countries, as millions of yemenis face notjust western countries, as millions of yemenis face not just the fighting but also an impending famine. the bombing campaign led by saudi arabia and the united arab emirates has left many civilians dead. and with the saudis under intense pressure over the murder of jamal khashoggi britain and the united states sends an opportunity to make a ceasefire happen. you're watching afternoon live. these are our headlines. a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action. pressure mounts on the prime minister to get backing for her brexit plan, opponents sayjudgment day

is coming for the cabinet. foreign secretaryjeremy hunt flies to saudi arabia to urge cooperation with the investigation into journalist jamal khashoggi's murder. and in sport, and easy ride for city has united have a tough time. samir nasri will make a return from an 18 month doping ban. he is due to have a medical at west ham. and a first—round loss for roger federer. later, novak djokovic gets his campaign under way. a new inquest has begun into the deaths of ten civilians, killed during an army operation in west belfast in 1971. at the time the army said those shot were either ira members or people caught in the crossfire. but earlier this year, former loyalist paramilitaries said

they had been involved. the families say they hope to get to the truth after a a7—year fight for justice . from belfast our ireland correspondent chris page. in 1971, chaos, and bloodshed were everywhere in belfast. the conflict known as the troubles was heading for its height. during august, the security forces carried out operation demetrius, in which suspected paramilitary members were detained without trial. there were violent disturbances across northern ireland. in ballymurphy ten people were fatally wounded in the space of 36 hours. at the time the army said they were either in the ira or caught in crossfire between soldiers and republicans. relatives have campaigned for decades to clear the names of those who died. nearly half a century after the shootings and the original investigation which they called a sham, the families have come back to court this morning

hoping this inquest will finally give them answers. the new investigation before a judge is taking place because people likejohn teggart pressed for it. his father, daniel, was shot bed. it's 47 years since the first bullet passed into my father's body and 47 years since the first light was told that he was a gunman and gun—running, just like all the other victims in the ballymurphy massacre. it has been a hard, long fight but we are here. the families say they don't want to rewrite history, but to correct it. more than 100 former soldiers have been asked to give statements to the inquest. it had been thought of the parachute regiment was responsible for all the deaths. but earlier this year, the loyalist paramilitary group, the ulster volunteer force, said it was involved in some of the killings. because what happened at ballymurphy is so complex and contentious, the inquest is expected to last six months. chris page, bbc news, belfast. seven palestinians, including

a senior hamas commander and three hamas militants, have been killed during an israeli military operation in the gaza strip, according to palestinian officials. israel said one of its soldiers had been killed and another wounded in the operation, carried out by its special forces. the clashes took place east of khan younis, in the south of the territory. let's speak to our middle east correspondent yolande knell, who is in jerusalem. this is unusual because israeli forces were operating inside gaza. tel is a little bit more about what you know about what happened. the israeli chief of army spokesperson has come out and said there are many such missions under the radar, in his words, but we don't often get to hear about them. in this case it appears something went very wrong.

there was an israeli special forces undercover unit about two miles inside the gaza strip. they were spotted in a civilian car, apparently, by palestinians there. then there was a shoot out with palestinian militants and an israeli helicopter was sent to help in the rescue and there was also a lot of israeli air strikes giving cover as these men made their retreat. we know that one israeli lieutenant colonel and was killed on the israeli side and seven palestinians, including one local commander with the hammers military wing. the funerals for those men have been taking place. a secret funeral on the israeli side to protect the cover of the undercover unit that this israeli soldier worked in, but they have also been thousands of people marching through the streets for the militants who were killed. masked men carrying their bodies. i

should say that right now, things are much calmer on the israel — gaza border. this after many palestinian rockets were fired at communities in southern israel overnight and israel had to use its missile defence system had to use its missile defence syste m o nce had to use its missile defence system once again. the israelis, well, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, came back early from his trip to paris where he was at the world war i commemorations, so that he could have high—profile meetings with his security chiefs. thank you. a woman has appeared in court in australia, accused of putting needles in strawberries. 50—year—old my ut trinh is a former supervisor at a berry farm. she has been remanded in custody. since september, there have been dozens of incidents of sewing needles found hidden in fruit, sparking a nationwide panic and resulting in the destruction of thousands of tonnes of strawberries. police say they've found no evidence in their latest search for suzy lamplugh,

who went missing in 1986. metropolitan police officers have been digging up a garden at a house in sutton coldfield, once owned by the mother ofjohn cannan, the prime suspect in suzy‘s killing. suzy was declared dead in 1994 but a body has never been found. the former liberal democrat peer lord lester is facing a record suspension from the house of lords after he was found to have sexually harassed a woman in the course of his parliamentary duties. the lords privileges and conduct committee recommended he should be suspended untiljune 2022 after offering the complainant "corrupt inducements" to sleep with him. lord lester stepped down from the liberal democrat front bench and his membership of the party's group in the house of lords was suspended after the allegations surfaced. peers are expect to vote on thursday whether to accept the committee's recommended punishment, which would be the longest suspension in modern

parliamentary history. the actor douglas rain, best known for voicing the sinister computer hal in sci—fi film 2001: a space odyssey, has died at the age of 90. the news was announced on twitter by the stratford festival in canada who said they were mourning the loss of a "rare artist." douglas rain performed for 32 seasons at the shakespearean festival and was nominated for a tony award in 1972. but he will be best remembered as the voice of hal 9000, the ai computer in stanley kubrick's landmark 1968 film. i'm sorry dave, i'm afraid i can't do that. what's the problem? i think you know what the problem is just as well as i do. what are you talking about? this mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardise it. i don't know what you're talking about.

i know that you and frank were planning to disconnect me and i'm afraid that's something i cannot allow to happen. the actor douglas rain, who has died at the age of 90. time for a look at the weather. pretty devastating weather in western california at the moment. absolutely. it is very rare that you can see this degree of detail on a satellite image. this is the major fire. you can see the red of the fire. you can see the red of the fire on this image. also you can see how this great big plume of cloud is being dragged all the way out to the coast and that is because the winds are so coast and that is because the winds are so strong at the moment. that is not helping with fire is being

sustained and also helping them to spread. there is another red spot and that is the fire near thousand oaks. we can visually get a good idea of what is going on from this and the magnitude of the situation at the moment. noaa is the american met service. and things could get worse before they get better? u nfortu nately, they get better? unfortunately, i think so. normally you associate high pressure with blue skies but in the united states, not great at the moment. you can see some snow in the forecast elsewhere. but it is further west, across california, that this high is channelling some dry winds of the core of the country, and they roll

over the rockies, they come down the mountains, and you get this onset of these very strong offshore winds. they are quite famous. they always come at this time of year and they are particularly strong, 50 or 60 mph. some of the stronger winds may have brought power lines down in some areas. the ground is tinder dry, va is very dry, some of the lowest humidity you will get at this time of year. unfortunately, that heidi is locked down for a good while now. there is no rain in the forecast if any in the near future. i got soaked into the office today. hangin i got soaked into the office today. hang in there because high pressure is on the way. if you have been caught in the showers today, you certainly are not alone. a good soaking to be had across many

southern counties of england and wales and the north—west of england. low pressure with is currently and there is a rather more organised weather feature out of the west that will keep the showers packing in through the remainder of today. this afternoon, driest and brightest likely to be northern scotland, perhaps eastern counties of england, but in the west showers heavy and it is another breezy afternoon. at least it is mild. their bridges between 13 and 1a degrees. this evening, if you have plans to head out later, the showers will continue to rattle on and some of them will be heavy for a while, perhaps spreading into the midlands briefly. but we get into the small hours of tuesday and things start to get considerably calmer, especially to the south and across northern ireland. a mild night, still some showers to the north at the end of the night, but for tuesday overall, the night, but for tuesday overall, the prospects look considerably drier than today. a lot of sunshine

around and another mild and breezy day. our showers where we left them first thing on tuesday across northern england and scotland but as the hours go by, by the time we get a lunchtime, they are all but gone and for the majority a fine afternoon with sunny spells. breezy and mild. temperatures close to the mid teens. some cloud coming into the west before dusk and that will be our next weather system. that will get is through the middle of this week. high pressure across the continent. keep an eye on that. on wednesday, the front piling in some rain during the early part of the day. scotland gets the worst of the wet weather, particularly the north—west. drier conditions already by wednesday afternoon, spreading further north. some warmth as well. 16 degrees in belfast. that fine weather will become increasingly widespread as we look further on

into the week ahead. the high across the continent, that is going to build across us. that is going to get rid of those weather fronts, kill off the rain, but by the weekend, high—pressure sitting across all of us, a lot of fine weather to come, and next week, it could well be some stubborn patches of cloud and lingering areas of fog. this is bbc news — our latest headlines. a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action. their ambition hasn't changed. they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. pressure intensifies on theresa may to get backing for her brexit plan — opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet. you must do more — foreign secretaryjeremy hunt visits saudi arabia urging cooperation with the murder investigation of journalist jamal khashoggi. and coming up — a group of vets accuse the government

of telling ‘bare faced lies' about the effectiveness of one of its badger culls in england. i'll be speaking to one vet who says the culling isn't working. sport now on afternoon live with katherine downes. novick djokovic will be in action later. but what has jose mourinho insane about manchester united's defeat yesterday? i think anybody who watched the manchester derby yesterday there is a clear reason why manchester city beat manchester united and that is simply because they are a better side at the moment. they are top of the premier league, cleared by two points now. manchester united are equidistant between the top and the bottom of the league. it is just not been

their season so far. jose mourinho does a good line in excuses though doesn't he and he says it is because manchester city have had an easy run of things lately, what he called friendly matches, even though they have been competitive. ina week in a week when manchester city played three matches at home and we played three matches at home and we played three matches away. in a week where they enjoyed a 6—1, 6—0 victory, no pressure, no mental effort, everything nice and easy and we played two matches away, difficult ones where the second one was like a final for us. against one of the best teams in europe, the game that we gave everything we had to give, not just game that we gave everything we had

to give, notjust physically but mentally. maybe cityjust make it look easy. samir nasri will undergo a medical at west ham — as he makes his return to football after an 18 month ban for doping. he was punished for using a intravenous drip which contained more nutrients than the limit allowed. the france international has formerly played for arsenal and manchester city — and its understood he'lljoin west ham for six months — but can sign a proper contract from the first of january. the atp finals in london continue today with world number one novak djokovic due on court this evening. yesterday kei nishikori beat roger federer — he took the first set on a tie break and won the second 6—3. the format is round robin, so federer, who's won the end of year tournament six times, could still reach the final. djokovic will take on wimbledon semi finalistjohn isner this evening — that's after this meet up between 2014 us open winner marin cilic, and upcoming star alexander zverev — they're on court now. marin cilic in front at the moment.

you can watch that now on bbc two i think. scotland have called up newcastle flanker gary graham for the rest of their autumn tests as an injury replacement for scarlets flanker blade thomson who is recovering from a concussion. he was born in stirling and is the son of former scotland prop george graham. he had previously picked for england's training squad this autumn, but has yet to recieve an international cap so is elligible to be picked for scotland. despite thrashing sri lanka in the first test last week, england still have some issues over the top of their batting order ahead of the second match on wednesday. there's still no confirmation that jonny bairstow will be fit for selection. moeen ali failed twice at number three, and fellow batsman jos buttler says he'd be happy to bat in that position.

i think the adaptability that trevor and joe have talked about, being flexible with the order is a real strength and i think it has been a strength and i think it has been a strength of the one—day side for a while now, been able to be flexible with the order. just because it is test match cricket, there are not many egos in the team that need these defined roles. you need a good balance and i think it shows a good tea m balance and i think it shows a good team environment and an ethic that people are willing to play wherever is required of them. that's all the sport for now. a veterinary campaign group has accused the government of telling "bare faced lies" about the effectiveness of the ongoing badger cull in southwest england. the prion interest group said that government claims of a reduced number of bovine tb cases in cattle, as a result of the cull, were "badly wrong". the department for environment, food and rural affairs said it is the right approach and has had a positive impact. in a few moments we can speak to dr iain mcgill, director

of the prion interest group, but first i'm joined by our science correspondent pallab ghosh, who's been taking a look at these claims for us. ba refa ced barefaced lies. this is pretty strong language. what is the concern? the vets are concerned about the farm minister's comments that the very first gulf that started in somerset and gloucestershire. it has been about for yea rs gloucestershire. it has been about for years and it is now that they may show whether it has produced cattle tb in that area or not. the trials have been hugely controversial, people do not like culling badgers and it has been done on the basis that it might have some beneficial effect. it was with great eagerness that the progress report came out trying to find out how well the calls had gone or not. george eustice said that the calls seemed

to be delivering results. however on closer expections the report its self says that it can't say anything at all about whether they are delivering results. whether cattle tb is reducing or increasing. the veterinary group says that what george eustice did was cherry pick the results that best suited him and ignored the fact that it was not scientifically valid. desperate for its part said that george eustice looked at some of the positive statistics and it was quite right to say that it was delivering results. i want to ask you one other question. the department says its tests for bovine tb in cattle are 80% reliable. the vets say that is not the case. in your view, who is telling the truth? well, who can telling the truth? well, who can tell for sure. on its hope, it's tb

hope that farmers used to seek guidance on the effectiveness. one of the tests says that it is 80% effective on average. there is a broad margin for error but it says that it broad margin for error but it says thatitis broad margin for error but it says that it is 80%. but there have been a number of studies that say that it is much less. this is important because if this test that is being used in the most infectious areas is only half as accurate as it should be, then there are going to be more cases of cattle tb in cattle in herds that have been cleared. so it may be the cattle that are spreading it to the cattle rather than the badgers. thank you for explaining that so clearly. as promised, we cannot speak to the lead signatory of that open letter to the uk's chief vet. dr iain mcgill, director of the indepedant research organisation ‘prion interest group'. why in your opinion is the

government telling barefaced lies? well, their own report for a start it cannot be used to decide whether badger culling has helped the disease levels in cattle. of the report that came out in september, there was a dramatic fall in it both incidence and prevalence before culling started and then it plateaued. four year four, culling started and then it plateaued. four yearfour, the government use it a calculated figure two say that the numbers falling. but actually we have looked at the 2018 figures and there has been a huge spike in cases in the gloucestershire call zone. —— culls zone. prevalence has gone up by 29%, or the number of herds infected has gone up by 29%. and the incident has gone up by 29%. and the incident has

gone up by 55%. so these are serious, serious misinformation is that they are saying here. these are basically barefaced lies because badger culling has not worked. the incident in cattle is going up again in the gloucestershire cull zone. it hasn't worked, we have proved it and the tap—in three needs to be called off. the department for environment and rural affairs says it was the right approach of it a positive impact. why have they got it wrong, if you are saying that they have got wrong? they have got it wrong partly because their test is only 50% sensitive. but they have got it wrong because they have wilfully made it wrong. cherry picking is the kind word for it. why would they do that? well, they do that because

they want to manufacture consent to carry on culling. the data was not showing that so they used to calculate it incident figure to make it look like it was going down. what we pointed out earlier was the prevalence, that is the actual percentage of herds that have tb, was plateauing in both of those cull zones. was plateauing in both of those cull zones. that did not go with their calculated risk falling and now we have the 2018 data, which was only just come out, which shows a really big increase in the gloucestershire cull zone. these are barefaced lies. there is not a shred of scientific a ccu ra cy there is not a shred of scientific accuracy in what they're saying and i'm sorry, george eusticejust accuracy in what they're saying and i'm sorry, george eustice just need to retract his statement. that is why as that we have written to the chief veterinary officer requesting that she goes to her ministers and request a retraction and i'm sure she has done that. i'm not suggesting for a moment that the chief vet is involved in these lies but we have requested that she

requests they retract it. we are expecting a retraction. the goffin report comes out tomorrow and this will be a big news story and our group has a lot to say on what the report says. i cannot tell you anything more because it is embargoed until tomorrow but there are some serious issues there was well. the other thing is of course that you and your group are com pletely that you and your group are completely opposed to the budget call as a policy but it is of course supported by farmers, by the british veterinary association. what is it that you know that they don't? well, what we know is that we don't have any what we know is that we don't have a ny vested what we know is that we don't have any vested interests what we know is that we don't have a ny vested interests u nfortu nately. we have no vested interest at all. we have no vested interest at all. we do not get paid to do what we do, we get no funding from the environment department. there is a system environment department. there is a syste m setu p environment department. there is a system setup that is a gravy train approaching £150 million of our taxpayer's money and this is going to particular places and those people are happy with the status

quo. i think farmers once they realise they have been lied to by the government, they are light because they are told that hurd is officially tb free. they have still have tb in their herd. when it comes out six months or two years later, the farmer goes but i am officially tb free, it must be the badgers. and the farmers are angry, they want to do something. they are under so much pressure to produce milk 365 days a year. they want to do something and badgers is what the government is offering them but it is totally the wrong tool. it will have no effect on the disease. what they need to do is focus on the 21st century tools we have of proper testing and to vaccinate cattle. if we vaccinate cattle the disease incidence will drop by 60—70%. i'm sorry, the british veterinary association have been disgraceful on this. they

should have spoken up much earlier to protect the animals, to protect badgers and also to protect cattle and they have not done that. they have given a veneer of pseudoscientific support to make people think that the veterinary profession support it. the veterinary profession do not. sorry to interrupt but we must leave it there. thank you for your time. an investigation by the bbc‘s panorama programme has found the average rent arrears for council tenants on universal credit are two—and—a—half times higher than tenants who still receive the old housing benefit. the chancellor, philip hammond, announced extra money for universal credit in his budget last month, to counter warnings that moving onto the all—in—one benefit system could push people into extreme poverty. catrin nye reports: anthony smith lost his job a year ago and had to claim universal credit. he struggled with the online system and lost benefits for missing job centre appointments. i have just explained to you...

he owes £4000 in rent to the council and is facing eviction. i've even looked for somewhere to live, and i've found a bridge. the only thing i'm not playing ball with is i can't work the computer. i'm left behind. under the old system, housing benefit was paid directly to the council, but now it's paid direct to claimants like anthony as part of one single benefit, universal credit. anthony should then pay rent to the county council, but he's way behind, and so are others. we had a rent arrears position last year of 1.6 million. it's now £450,000 worse than it was then, and a large proportion of that is attributable to universal credit. panorama has discovered that across the uk council tenants on universal credit are falling behind with their rent, owing on average £663, compared to £263 for those still on housing benefit.

that's more than double the debt. the government has rejected calls to return to the old system, paying rent direct to councils. the key point here is to make sure that people get support in terms of funding, and that is why earlier this year we introduced a package worth £1.5 billion, which means anyone coming on to universal credit who is currently receiving housing benefit will get two weeks of extra money. critics argue much bigger changes are still needed. well, you can see that panorama investigation, the universal credit crisis, in full on bbc one tonight. the details for each region are on your screen now and it will also be available on bbc iplayer. ina in a moment we were talking about the business news. first of all let's look at the headlines. a

couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of banned terrorist group. the pressure mounts on the prime minister to get backing for her brexit plan. opponents say judgment day is coming for the cabinet. foreign secretary jeremy hunt flies to saudi arabia to urge cooperation with the investigation into the death ofjournalist jamal khashoggi's murder. here's your business headlines on afternoon live the pound has been falling because of uncertainty over brexit — and a stronger dollar. theresa may is struggling to reach an agreement with ministers about how best to leave the eu. meanwhile, the dollar is on the up because of speculation about a possible rise in american interest rates. labour shortages are making it harder for firms to fill vacancies according to the body representing the hr industry. the cipd says the shortage is being worsened by a " reversal" in the number if migrants working in the uk — with the country

becoming less attractive for foreign workers. . .as brexit approaches. the drinks company diageo has sold 19 brands to the american company sazerac — for £427 million. diageo says the move will allow it to concentrate on its core brands. it has not been a good day for the pound. it fell around 1% in early trading today and there are a couple of reasons. the first is this thing called brexit that we may have mentioned! the one thing that markets hate is uncertainty and there is uncertainty over whether or not the prime minister can unite her cabin behind a common position. and

of course uncertainty over whether or not we will get a deal before we leave the eu. but that is not the only thing that is hitting sterling. at the moment the dollar is on the rise and that is because of speculation that there could be a rise in interest rates over in the us. we have been talking to someone from kpmg. they have been explaining more. we are still expecting our transitional period to be agreed by the end of march but in the meantime all the ups and downs of the negotiation are likely to impact the pound over the coming months. but at the same time there is this the other news and we have seen some flight other news and we have seen some flight to safety as well some expectation of a rise in interest rates in the us. it is pushing the us dollar up against most currencies and some concerns in italy also impacting the exchange rate between the pound on the euro. british

american tobacco also under pressure right? that's right. the huge tobacco firm represented all the way around the world. there has been speculation and reports in one of the big american papers that regulators in the us might actually be on the verge of banning men forcing that this would be bad news forcing that this would be bad news for bht because they make a lot of money from selling menthol cigarettes. is their nicotine in them? that is nicotine and what the authorities are worried about is if you make the taste more palatable it makes it easier to sell to people like miners. let's cross now to some era who is standing by in the new york stock exchange to talk more about this. why are the regulators doing this? you are absolutely right, menthol cigarettes it has

been shown according to a study in 2013 that people, it is a lot harder to quitand 2013 that people, it is a lot harder to quit and because of the men told it makes it easier for people to start smoking and of course the big worry is in fact miners. if you look at how bht has been trading on the floor of the new york stock exchange. trading opened about 20 minutes ago and shares are down by more than 7% so investors are really worried about this move. reports say that even if they banned these menthol cigarettes, it will take at least 12 two years before they are off the shelves but still investors are taking this seriously. also some talk about e—cigarettes. are taking this seriously. also some talk about e-cigarettes. apparently the regulatory body is on the verge of ruling that these e—cigarettes, those cartridges, flavoured e—cigarettes are no longer going to be sold in convenience stores in the united states and they're really going to be down on how miners get

access to them. so a lot more stricter age restrictions studies have been showing that there is a really widespread use among young people and the regulators want to crack down on that. more pressure on the tobacco industry. talk us through the markets. as you can see the ftse is losing some of the gains it put on earlier today. the wea kness it put on earlier today. the weakness of sterling actually helps to sell exports and that is why there were gains on the ftse earlier today. those games are coming off there. brent crude is on the up and there. brent crude is on the up and the reason for that is the energy minister in saudi arabia has said that he thinks that he can see a case for cutting production of oil. now, he is the energy minister for the biggest oil producer so that is

why that is going up. british american tobacco, as we were discussing, that is under pressure because of possible moves to ban the menthol cigarettes in the us. morris from you in an hour. let's catch up with the weather now. here is susan powell. we have been seeing some punchy showers moving. these are pictures from eastbourne this morning. to the west some of the rain more persistent and heavy will stop the weather front moving in and around our area of low pressure which is dominating the weather at the moment. more showers to take is through the remainder of the afternoon and into the evening rush—hour. the far north of scotland the driest but a mild enough story, highs of 13 or 14 degrees. through the evening rush some showers will remain potent, not the greatest of

conditions on the roads. by that time getting to the early hours of tuesday things will come down considerably. the showers dinning out to the south, some lingering in the north and southern scotland as tuesday gets under way. a mild night with close of six to 8 degrees. overall the prospects in contrast to today look a good deal triad, plenty of brightness around another breezy day to come. low pressure driving our weather but the showers that we see first thing will thin out by the time we get the afternoon. for a time we get the afternoon. for a time almost all others enjoying a dry spell with sunny spells. the sunshine turning hazier in the west in the afternoon as cloud arrives. that high cloud is the marker for a weather system coming in around the lower once again that will affect many northern and western areas on wednesday. high—pressure close on the continent. that will come into play later in the week. wednesday

will be the final day when we see some weather systems pushing their way across as at least for this week. wet weather for northern ireland and northern england first thing. the north west of scotland wet. even as we move further into wednesday some very warm weather, 16 degrees in belfast despite the cloud. for the latter part of the week the weather looks like pushing across the uk, meaning dry weather and mild weather as well. we could get stuck in some places with persistent cloud and maybe lingering patches of fog. hello, you're watching afternoon live. today at 3pm: a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action their ambition hasn't changed. they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. pressure intensifies

on theresa may to get backing for her brexit plan. opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet. you must do more. foreign secretaryjeremy hunt visits saudi arabia urging cooperation with the murder investigation of journalist jamal khashoggi. coming up on afternoon live, all the sport. jose mourinho has been explaining the defeat today. he has. life has been too easy for manchester city and too tough for manchester united and too tough for manchester united and that's why the derby went the way it did, according tojose mourinho. i will be taking a look at how the weather pattern across the

usa have meant the wildfires have been able to get such a grip on california and how the wind may mean those fires are staying for a while yet, or may even spread a little further. also coming up: vets are accusing the government of telling barefaced lies about the success of one of its badger cull is in england. hello. this is afternoon live. three people have been convicted of being members of the far—right neo—nazi group national action. it brings to ten the number of people found guilty of belonging to the banned group this year. adam thomas and claudia patatas from banbury, who named their child after adolf hitler, and daniel bogunovic from leicester, will be sentenced at birmingham crown court in december. the group, which was founded

in 2013, was forbidden under anti—terror laws after it celebrated the murder of the labour mp, jo cox. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford reports. a provocative national action demo, before it was banned as a neo—nazi terrorist organisation after celebrating the murder of the labour mpjo cox. on the left here, enthusiastically giving the nazi salute, was national action's main organiser in the midlands, alex deakin. open about his nazi views, he would recruit in universities and even targeted schoolchildren. but after national action was banned, he took his members underground. borrowing tactics from so—called islamic state, he communicated using an encrypted chat group called the triple k mafia, named after the ku klux klan. they are learning from other terrorist organisations how to communicate, how to radicalise,

how to recruit individuals, how to gather weaponry and equipment. their ambition hasn't changed, they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. perhaps the most dangerous recruit to deakin's group was mikko vehvilainen, a serving lance corporal in the british army. he wrote about creating civil disorder and attacking national infrastructure, and accumulated a personal arsenal of guns, crossbows and knives. he had a dummy in his garage which he used to practise stabbing, and a collection of nazi—themed weapons and badges. he had access to young soldiers in his regiment, the royal anglian, and recruited at least three to the neo—nazi cause. he has now been found guilty of being a member of national action and has been thrown out of the army, along with one of his nazi recruits. these individuals were weeded out, there was a joint operation

between us and the police. if there are such serious breaches of values and standards, then the army will take the most serious action against these individuals. and what does that involve? well, that ranges, but it can result in their service being terminated. one of the most extreme people in mikko vehvilainen's group was adam thomas, who also wanted to join the army. he and his partner claudia patatas gave their baby the middle name adolf after adolf hitler. amazingly, just two years earlier, adam thomas had been in israel, and trying to convert to the jewish faith. but by the time of their arrest, claudia patatas and adam thomas's house was full of ku klux klan paraphernalia and nazi symbols, and they also had ambitions for violent disorder, stockpiling weapons like machetes in their bedroom and buying a £1000 crossbow. adam thomas even discussed stealing an sa—80 assault rifle from the army.

his friend darren fletcher, seen here on the left, wrote in the encrypted chat group about killing antiwhite mps in the government, and adam thomas agreed this was a good idea. and it's not been just talk. in wales, one former national action member, zac davies, was convicted of attempting to murder a sikh dentist with a machete. another, jack redshaw, admitted plotting to murder his mp in lancashire. and a third, jack coulson, was found guilty of building a viable pipe bomb in yorkshire. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford is here. alison carroll is a little bit more about this group. neo-nazis have been around since the second world

warand been around since the second world war and national action probably had no more than 100 or so members but whenjo cox was murdered and they celebrated that murder and more attention was paid to the group, what they were talking about, what they were preparing for was a race war, they were gathering weapons, trying to cause a race war by staging provocative demonstrations, and some of the discussion going on between group members was about killing mps and killing other people that they felt politically opposed them. that is why they were banned. after it was banned, a close i was kept on former members and what police have discovered, and this is ongoing work, is that people had essentially gone underground, were continuing their chat groups, were talking about killing mps, and gathering an arsenal of weaponry. some of it wasn't as dangerous as others but it was certainly enough

to go on killing people as some former members had tried to do. and how are the security services dealing with this emerging threat? there is a new bird would —— buzzword that has emerged which is extreme right wing, and m15 have now been tasked with taking over the intelligence roll around the extreme right wing. normally that has been done by the police but now gathering intelligence and analysing intelligence and analysing intelligence is being dealt with by mi5 in intelligence is being dealt with by m15 in the same way that they deal with other terrorist groups and that shows how seriously it is being taken. theresa may is under more pressure over brexit this afternoon. she has 48 hours to put a workable deal together with full cabinet support in time for a possible summit in brussels later this month. and that full support still seems some way off. meanwhile, labour's spokesman keir starmer has said brexit can be stopped, appearing to openly contradict his party leaderjeremy corbyn. our political correspondent

chris mason reports. the grand plan, a big brexit summit in brussels, looking a bit like this, to sign of a withdrawal agreement. the october deadline came and went. and now, it's mid—november. the chances of a november summit are increasingly remote, what are the implications? we are working hard for a deal, a number of important issues which we still have to get bottomed out but we can't rush it, we have to get the right deal, this is an agreement which will endure for many years and we have to take the time to make sure that we get it right. have you any time? we haven't set a particular deadline, we have to be mindful of the parliamentary arrangements in the uk. the uk is leaving the european union at 11 o'clock on friday the 29th march next year. the government wants a withdrawal agreement with the eu, preferably by the end of this month. but that could slip. and then it has to get

it through parliament, which looks far from certain. and if it is defeated in the commons, frankly, who knows what will happen? the prime minister has tied her colours so firmly to this deal, if the deal doesn't get through it is very difficult to see how she can continue. she would have to go? i think if the deal was voted down by parliament i cannot see how she could continue. and we now know the scale and breadth of concern within the cabinet when the prime minister's vision for brexit was first set out in the summer. trade secretary liam fox had concerns, as did the home secretary, sajid javid, and the chancellor wondered if it was achievable, and brexiteers like esther mcvey and penny mordaunt also expressed their doubts. and here is penny mordaunt today, not exactly oozing enthusiasm for the government's plan. the important thing is that there is two checks on this deal, cabinet and parliament. cabinet'sjob is to put something to parliament that is going to deliver on the referendum result.

meanwhile over the weekend, the labour leaderjeremy corbyn said the brexit train can't be stopped. but take a look at this from, yes, his brexit spokesman. yes or no, can brexit be stopped? yes, technically it can be stopped but the question is, what decisions will arise and what about the vote? and this former labour prime minister reckons there will be another referendum. but he is worried. if nothing changes, then we will be an even more divided britain, there is no doubt in my mind about that, more divided than during the three—day week of the ‘70s, more divided than during the miners strike in the eighties. is the current prime minister returned to downing street this morning, we are left with one big question — what is going to happen with brexit? your guess is as good as mine. chris mason, bbc news, westminster. our chief political correspondent vicki young has

the latest from westminster. let's pick up on that point, hearing from the former labour prime minister gordon brown, saying that he felt that another referendum was the only way to deal with this, given that the cabinet is divided and parliament is divided and there are many who think there is no majority amongst mps for any kind of option. i am joined majority amongst mps for any kind of option. iamjoined by majority amongst mps for any kind of option. i am joined by the labour mp anna mcmorrin, who is in favour of another referendum. it is quite confusing, given that your leader jeremy corbyn said brexit can't be stopped at the weekend, and yet keir starmer said it can. look, this is a big issue at conference in september, debated heavily, and there was a unanimous vote in favour of the labour policy now, which is

all options on the table. if it doesn't meet the six tests, if we can't get a general election, which we are fighting for all the time, then all the options are on the table, and that includes the people's vote. what do you say to those who say another referendum is just a ruse by remain as because you wa nt just a ruse by remain as because you want the british people to change their minds and a vote to stay in. we are seeing this played out at the moment, we are over two years since that referendum, a lot has changed since then. i think a lot of people are really angry, really frustrated, and this deal, either a no deal or a bad deal, is going to be the very worst for our communities, our businesses, our public services. the only democratic thing now to do is put it back to the people. it is clear politicians can't be deciding

this. it is not about playing or replay in the referendum of two years ago, this is about putting what is on the table, this disastrous brexit that theresa may is struggling to find any support for out there as opposed to, do we wa nt for out there as opposed to, do we want to remain in the european union. some people would say that lots of labour mps and some on the tory side wanted a soft brexit. isn't that what theresa may is ending up with? her plans, if the eu would agree with them, are for the uk to stay in a customs union. surely that is what people like you want. what is on the table at the moment is a blindfold brexit versus a new deal, so nothing is on the table there for forward planning, for business certainty, for communities. this means month, perhaps years of brexit negotiations

and discussions if theresa may's deal goes through. this is about a political fudge. deal goes through. this is about a politicalfudge. nothing deal goes through. this is about a political fudge. nothing concrete on the table. so actually it is nothing of the kind. that is why we urgently need to put this deal back to the people to allow the people to have a say and to see the status quo, which would be that fudge, is not going to be good enough. we need to remain as pa rt of be good enough. we need to remain as part of the european union and we strongly need the people to be saying that. we have seen that shift out there with the public. it does seem as if your own party leader doesn't agree with you and if labour are saying they want a general election, if we did have a general election, if we did have a general election in the next three months, what would be in the labour ma nifesto what would be in the labour manifesto given that your leader clearly doesn't think like you do. jeremy corbyn was part of the discussions in conference and is fully... all options on the table is not a policy the labour party could

stand on in a general election. not a policy the labour party could stand on in a general electionm is saying that if we don't get a general election, we need a people's vote on this. if keir starmer's six tests are not adhered to. and that is looking completely unlikely at the moment. actually, we are all united. we know that there are some differing voices but jeremy ayre, keir starmer, differing voices but jeremy ayre, keirstarmer, mle, all differing voices but jeremy ayre, keir starmer, mle, all saying the same thing and that is the labour policy. surely your constituents just want a decision one way or the other. businesses are very concerned and that is the uncertainty surrounding this. if theresa may's deal gets through, or there surrounding this. if theresa may's deal gets through, orthere is surrounding this. if theresa may's deal gets through, or there is a no deal, there is no certainty there, and that is the worst of all scenarios for businesses. in my community, people coming up to me very concerned about what is

happening and the impact on their jobs, on their families, livelihoods, and their future. they wa nt livelihoods, and their future. they want a second referendum, they want that vote on the deal, and that is the only democratic way forward. what about your colleagues, and there will be many in your own party, sitting next to you on the benches over there, who are in constituencies who overwhelmingly voted to leave. there are lots of labour supporters who overwhelmingly voted to leave. they will feel totally betrayed if there is another referendum. this isn't about replaying the referendum of two years ago. we have moved on now. at the moment we are set to leave on the moment we are set to leave on the 29th of march with either no deal or a blindfold brexit that takes us into no man's land with nothing and negotiations going on for years to come. i don't think any of my colleagues, any of my constituents, wanted that will stop

the businesses i speak to a bar down the businesses i speak to a bar down the country, nobody wanted that. we need to find a way forward to unite the country and that way would be, let's put this out there as a vote to the people. thank you very much indeed. there is the regular cabinet meeting scheduled for tomorrow but at this point, we don't know what cabinet ministers will be asked to look at. thank you very much. you're watching afternoon live. these are our headlines: a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action pressure mounts on the prime minister to get backing for her brexit plan. opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet foreign secretaryjeremy hunt flies to saudi arabia to urge cooperation with the investigation into journalist jamal khashoggi's murder 31 people are now confirmed dead

and more than 200 are missing in the wildfires in northern california. that makes them the deadliest in the state's history. around 4,000 fire—fighters have been tackling the flames, which have been driven by hot, dry winds. chi—chi izundu reports. three major fires continue on their path of destruction. the campfire in the foothills of the sierra nevada mountains north of sacramento has razed nearly 6500 buildings and effectively wiped the town of paradise off the map.

at least 31 people are dead. it is the most destructive fire in californian history. more than 200 are still missing and a quarter of a million people have fled the area. we had no more water and saw the fire came back and we just watched it go. the governor wants the white house to declare a major disaster to get more aid. there is a certain amount of dryness in the vegetation and the soil and the air. and the winds get up 50 to 60 mph. this is what happens. and we have to keep understanding it better. but we are in a new abnormal and things, things like this will be part of our future. in the us this year, wildfires have burned an area nearly the same size as northern ireland and wales combined, well above average. thousands of firefighters battling to contain the blazes in a region that has not seen significant rainfall for seven months.

i have two sons and two grandchildren up there. i can't find out anything about them. i don't know if they are all right or if they got out. this is a picture of them. for this man, tv appeals for loved ones have brought better news. overwhelming joy. just so ecstatic. i didn't know if they were alive and they're alive. the fires are not discriminating. celebrity homes have also been hit. welcome to my home in malibu. that is actor gerard butler returning to the ruins of his home. in a tweet he thanked emergency services for their sacrifice and courage. what we can do, we will do some short bursts, we'll keep our water. cool that propane tank occasionally. firefighters are doing what they can. they're urging people to heed the evacuation orders and a warning with 60 mph winds expected in the next few days, the fires are still spreading quickly and unexpectedly.

chi—chi izundu, bbc news. the foreign secretaryjeremy hunt is in saudi arabia urging the authorities there to do more to deliverjustice for the family of the murdered journalist jamal khashoggi. he was killed in the saudi consulate in istanbul six weeks ago. the foreign secretary's visit comes after the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, told the saudi crown prince, that washington would hold everyone involved in the killing accountable. richard galpin reports. the foreign secretary's visit to saudi arabia started with a meeting this morning with king salman. mr hunt apparently aiming to keep the pressure on the country's leadership following the killing ofjamal khashoggi last month. he was expected to tell them the international community remains united in horror and outrage at the brutal murder ofjamal khashoggi and encourage the saudi authorities to cooperate fully with the turkish investigation into his death. it is now more than five weeks since the journalist made the fatal

decision to enter the saudi consulate in istanbul. having initially denied he had been murdered there, the saudi authorities eventually admitted this, but are still claiming the royal family was not involved. but at the weekend, turkey's president erdogan made an important announcement. he said he had handed over audio recordings to western countries, including britain, purportedly documenting the killing, and he says the murder was ordered at the highest levels of the saudi government. also adding to the pressure on the saudi leadership, the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, who was in paris yesterday, said the united states would hold all those involved in the murder accountable. his comments made in a phone call with crown prince mohammad bin salman, the country's de facto leader. but how much all this will convince

the saudis to reveal all the details of who ordered the killing is questionable. and meanwhile, there is another agenda. the long conflict in yemen in which saudi arabia has been playing a key role. there is a push now for a ceasefire, being led by the united states, britain and other western countries, as millions of yemenis face notjust the fighting but also an impending famine. the bombing campaign led by saudi arabia and the united arab emirates has left many civilians dead. and with the saudis under intense pressure over the murder of jamal khashoggi, britain and the united states sense an opportunity to make a ceasefire happen. within the past half hour, the israeli military has confirmed that an israeli bus has been hit by a projectile fired from the gaza strip.

there are reports of injuries. sirens have been sounding out in southern israel. it comes after seven palestinians, including a senior hamas commander and three hamas militants, were killed during an israeli military operation yesterday in the gaza strip. israel said one of its soldiers had been killed and another wounded in the operation, carried out by its special forces. the clashes took place east of khan younis, in the south of the territory. a woman has appeared in court in australia, accused of putting needles in strawberries. 50—year—old my ut trinh is a former supervisor at a berry farm. she has been remanded in custody. since september there have been dozens of incidents of sewing needles found hidden in fruit, sparking a nationwide panic and resulting in the destruction of thousands of tonnes of strawberries. a rally is taking place this afternoon at the pakistani embassy in central london in support of asia bibi, a christian woman who was recently released

after spending eight years on death row for alleged blasphemy offences. the mother—of—five had been in prison in pakistan since 2010. her recent acquittal has led to violent protests in the country, with many calling for her to be jailed again. bbc news correspondent andy moore is at the embassy in central london where the vigil is taking place. struggling to hear you a little over the sound of singing behind me. some candles have just been lit. asia bibi was imprisoned for nearly a decade, she was on death row for eight years, accused of blasphemy against islam. an argument with fellow villagers over a cup of

water, they accused her of insulting the profit and she was committed by the profit and she was committed by the court. what are you asking for today? we are asking for the pakistani government to do the right thing and allow this woman to be set free, to get away from that country where 95 present of the population wa nt where 95 present of the population want her dead. we wanted to be put out of the auspices of their security forces, who failed to protect a federal minister in pakistan. she needs to be in a safe environment, protected. the pakistan government say she is safe in pakistan at the moment. what is your understanding of the legal process? sadly, despite the fact that asia bibi has been acquitted by the most senior supreme court judges in bibi has been acquitted by the most senior supreme courtjudges in the land, the capitulation to millions of rioters. i know the news has been

saying thousands but there are hundreds of thousands calling for the blood and smashing buildings. because of this, because of those protests, a petition in the supreme court challenging a supreme court verdict. this is unheard—of, it is unlawful, but now asia bibi has to go through that. do you think the british government should offer her political asylum? they should have offered her political asylum a long time ago. they have dragged their feet, one of the few nations who have not offered. we sent out a video appealing to britain, canada and america, several nations came forward , and america, several nations came forward, britain is not one of them. for a country with such a highly respected history of helping asylum seekers and refugees, this is a smack in the face. it is embarrassing being british today and

i hope that politicians listen to this, especially theresa may and jeremy hunt. we have written to them asking for an audience. i begged them to allow us a few minutes to allow many other details which i cannot share publicly live on air but there are serious concerns we have. thank you very much. we understand several western governments have offered asylum to asia bibi and herfamily. the british government said they would not comment on individual cases. thank you. police say they've found no evidence in their latest search for suzy lamplugh, who went missing in 1986. metropolitan police officers have been digging up a garden at a house in sutton coldfield, once owned by the mother ofjohn cannan — the prime suspect in suzy‘s killing. suzy was declared dead in 1994 but her body has never been found. the former liberal democrat peer lord lester is facing a record suspension from the house of lords after he was found to have sexually harassed a woman in the course

of his parliamentary duties. the lords privileges and conduct committee recommended he should be suspended untiljune 2022 after offering the complainant "corrupt inducements" to sleep with him. lord lester stepped down from the liberal democrat front bench and his membership of the party's group in the house of lords was suspended after the allegations surfaced. peers are expect to vote on thursday whether to accept the committee's recommended punishment, which would be the longest suspension in modern parliamentary history. a senior police officer has said the rules on stop—and—search are too restrictive, and has suggested lowering the threshold of suspicion for stops to take place. adrian hanstock, who's the national police chiefs' council lead on the issue, said the test could be where an officer was concerned that someone was at risk, or posed a risk to others. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, says body cameras can help make all the difference to stop

and search — but it must be combined with an increase in numbers of police on the street. i supported the world's biggest roll—out. it also reassures londoners that the stubborn search is being done properly. we will have to wait and see what the government's plans are. what i am clear about is this. you can give the police powers but unless there are enough officers to keep londoners save it doesn't really matter. the government must invest in our police, but also invest in young people as well. you are not worried that an increased stop and search without grounds will increase

to tensions? —— there will always be a case where somebody stopped and searched and they have done nothing wrong. that is why it is important than to be done caught asleep. body cameras are important. they have to have the confidence to use this tool. it protects you from vexatious complaints but also londoners will know that the body worn cameras into records the interaction. but it is no good if a police officer today stops and searches you unlawfully and you go back and tell yourfamily about this and then tomorrow we ask you to provide intelligence to the police and they are surprised when you don't find intelligence. why don't we captured now with all the weather. here is susan powell. low pressure is still with us as we move powell. low pressure is still with us as we move through the first part

of this week and for the remainder of this week and for the remainder of today it will bring further showers to southern counties of england and perhaps longer spells of rain into the west, particularly around the irish sea coast. a mild enough story though with temperatures of 13 or 14 degrees. the breeze set to stay with the zo nta the breeze set to stay with the zonta tuesday but on tuesday we're infora drier zonta tuesday but on tuesday we're in for a drier day. overnight the showers then out to the south and it isa dry showers then out to the south and it is a dry story from northern ireland as well. wet weather thirsting for the tuesday morning rush—hour. but as the hours go by the showers will thin out and buy lunch time almost all of us will be enjoying a spell of dry weather with some sunshine. sunshine getting hazier in the west as some high cloud drifts in ahead of our next system waiting in the wings for wednesday. this is bbc news —

our latest headlines. a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action. their ambition hasn't changed. they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. pressure intensifies on theresa may to get backing for her brexit plan — opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet. destruction in the us state of californian as authorities battle wildfires. at least 31 people are known to have died and more than 200 are missing. you must do more — foreign secretaryjeremy hunt visits

saudi arabia urging cooperation with the murder investigation of journalist jamal khashoggi. and coming up — are badger culls. the governement‘s been accused of lying over the effectiveness of one cull in england — but we hear from a vet who says it's vital. sport now on afternoon live with katherine and day two of the atp world tour finals is under way, any surprises so far? the round robin format so roger federer eating yesterday. looking decidedly out of sorts. he will be back and he will have another tried.

novak djokovic will get his campaign under way. the world number one looking to avoid an upset later on. but now the nice battle between marin cilic and alexander zverev. you can see that alexander zverev comes back and winds the first set ona comes back and winds the first set on a tie—break. let's go to the live pictures now on the o2. on a tie—break. let's go to the live pictures now on the 02. this is on bbc two and the sport website if you wa nt to bbc two and the sport website if you want to follow it. marin cilic trying to get back into that match. it was a real shock that he let that lead slip in the first set. that is on bbc two at the moment. tennis of course, catherine, been played indoors. women's cricketers outdoors in the caribbean. what is the weather like there? you see the men having problems enshrined with the rain, the women out in the caribbean

for the world t20 and they have to play bangladesh later in st lucia. it is their second game of the tournament but so far as you say they have not played any cricket. that is because their opening game against sri lanka was abandoned. look at that, an absolute wash—out. moore is forecast as well, so not a ball bowled last time so that means they shared the points. england were hoping to beach will anchor, hoping to get —— to beat sri lankan. it is dependent on the weather later. despite thrashing sri lanka in the first test last week, england still have some issues over the top of their batting order ahead of the second match on wednesday. there's still no confirmation that jonny bairstow will be fit for selection. moeen ali failed twice at number three, and fellow batsman jos buttler says he'd be happy to bat in that position. i think that adaptability that trevor and joe have talked about, being flexible with the order

is a real strength and i think it has been a strength of the one—day side for a while now, been able to be flexible with the order. just because it is test match cricket, there are not many egos in the team that need these defined roles. you need a good balance and i think it shows a good team environment and an ethic that people are willing to play wherever is required of them. samir nasri will undergo a medical at west ham — as he makes his return to football after an 18—month ban for doping. he was punished for using an intravenous drip, which contained more nutrients than the limit allowed. the france international has formerly played for arsenal and manchester city — and it's understood he'lljoin west ham for six months — but can sign a proper contract from january 1st. manchester city boss pep guardiola has been asked by the football association to explain comments he made about the referee before sunday's derby with manchester united. premier league bosses are not to speak about match officials before fixtures.

but before his side's 3—1 home win, guardiola responded to a question that suggested anthony taylor might be biased in united's favour. he has until 6pm on thursday to respond. scotland have called up newcastle flanker gary graham for the rest of their autumn tests as an injury replacement for scarlets flanker blade thomson who is recovering from a concussion. he was born in stirling and is the son of former scotland prop george graham. he had previously picked for england's training squad this autumn, but has yet to recieve an international cap so is elligible to be picked for scotland. that's all the sport for now. we'll have more for you in the next hour. a veterinary campaign group has accused the government of telling "bare faced lies" about the effectiveness of the ongoing badger cull in southwest england. the prion interest group said that government claims of a reduced number of bovine tb cases in cattle, as a result

of the cull, were "badly wrong". the department for environment, food and rural affairs said it is the right approach and has had a positive impact. we can now speak to another indepedent researcher into cull policy, roger blowey, former partner at the wood veterinary group in gloucester, whojoins me now via skype. i want to ask you, can you say with 100% certainty that badger calls are reducing the number of cases of bovine tb in cattle? yellow well, rebecca, we can certainly say from the data that we have so far that that would appear to be the case. you will be aware then of what these other vets have said. why would they

accused the government of barefaced lies? i simply don't understand that and clearly what they have done is they have looked at the overall level of tb in gloucestershire for example but like any disease the disease will fluctuate, rise and fall, associated with the whole range of factors. and what we need to do to assess the efficacy of the coal is to look at —— the efficacy of the cull. and then compare that to incidence of tb in surrounding areas. that was done a couple of yea rs areas. that was done a couple of years ago, published at the time, last year. they looked at tb within the cull area and compared it to tb

in the surrounding area. the gloucestershire, they found that there was a 58% reduction in tb in there was a 58% reduction in tb in the gloucestershire cull area, compared with the surrounding areas, after they had adjusted for whole number of different variables. aren't i right though that different results came out in dorset and that incidence of tb have actually risen in that cull area? i have not seen a similar analysis done in dorset but all i do know is that as in gloucestershire at the moment there isa gloucestershire at the moment there is a little bit of a rise in tb but asi is a little bit of a rise in tb but as i said at the beginning, you would expect to see rises and falls ina would expect to see rises and falls in a disease simply associated with natural variation. it is only when you compare that cull area with

equivalently matched surrounding areas and that you are going to get areas and that you are going to get a true effect of the cull. it is really interesting they because a letter in last week's veterinary record actually stated that this was the correct approach. i could read you the quote that is in front of me at the moment. that you need to have comparable matched areas to actually see what is happening as far as the cull is concerned. we have to leave it there but we are really grateful for your time. multiple cabinet ministers expressed significant doubts about the prime minister's preferred brexit plan from the start, the bbc has learned. parts of theresa may's plan were described as "worrying", "disappointing" and "concerning" by members of her top team back in july. mrs may is struggling to broker an agreement on brexit with ministers. with me now is chris morris from bbc reality check.

so trouble in the uk over the deal — but what about the eu? what are their concerns? i think the main thing to remember is the withdrawal agreement, if and when it comes, will be a legally binding treaty. so in every capital, not just binding treaty. so in every capital, notjust in london, legal issues are paramount if you like because there will be lawyers in 27 other capitals that when they see the fine print will want to go through with the tooth comb. one area in particular seems to be causing problems at the moment and that is the review mechanism if there is to be a backstop. if as we have discussed before there is to be a temporary uk wide customs union. what mechanism could that these are the uk to get out of that temporary customs union? and one thing that is very clear from the eu's side is if it comes to a question of eu law than the ultimate arbiter of that has to be the european court ofjustice and we

know that that can cause problems here in london. i think that is one of the legal issues that is still proving difficult to resolve. there was also talk about a level playing field. what does that mean? essentially, as the name suggests is that nobody should gain an unfair advantage from whatever agreement is put into place. so again if you have a temporary customs union, other eu countries will want to ensure that if you are going to take advantage over the longer term on a temporary basis of african tariff free trade with us then you need to play by more our rules, such as environmental and workers' rights. so they will want to look at the detail language that comes out of the negotiation to make sure that in every capital they are happy with that. another specific issue that has come up in the past week or so that shows just how complicated it can be when you create something like a temporary customs union, it isa

like a temporary customs union, it is a trade agreement essentially and thatis is a trade agreement essentially and that is fishing. at the moment, the uk exports about £1 billion, just under £1 billion of fish products to eu markets at the moment and it is tariff free. if you have a temporary customs union that will continue, quids in four uk fish producers. but other countries say hang ona producers. but other countries say hang on a minute, you are only doing half a trade deal here because if you are france or spain or denmark their quid pro has always been if you want to sell you produce in our market and we want our votes to be to fish in your waters. that of course is something that is an athena too many fishing communities in the uk and to their mps who are going to get a vote if it ever gets to the house of commons. so now there is a suggestion that fishing can be taken out of the temporary customs union altogether. it is interesting you mention time because we have been hearing a lot today

about how theresa may has got 48 hours to get a deal and the clock is ticking. does the eu think a deal can be done and is this deadline of the end of march absolutely set in stone or could that be pushed on forward ? stone or could that be pushed on forward? this is what it comes down to, article 50. that is the two—year period we're in. article 50 of the lisbon treaty sets out how you leave the european union. the 48 hours to get a deal, that is really about if you want to have a special summit trend sign off a deal before the end of this month then you really need to do that in the next couple of days to then give all the capital ‘s the time to go

through the fine print as we have said. if it doesn't happen this month than it could happen in december. if it goes on beyond that, could you extend article 50? well, in theory you can if all european countries agree to that. of course the government has said it has no intention of extending it. i think if it really came to the crunch and you needed a few more weeks for the ratification of the deal to be done that perhaps that would come onto the agenda. but it could only be a few weeks because the european parliament will be one of the bodies that would have to ratify this deal. it will meet i think for the last time in plenary session at the end of april. after that there is european election. there will not be a european parliament for several months to the timeline is very tight. negotiations always dragged onto last moment but article 50 means there is a hard end day that can only be with some difficulty. thank you. do you remember the third way? perhaps you do put tony blair and gordon brown when they were in government much favoured this idea and he has got his own version of

this when it comes to brexit. you have gotjeremy corbyn says that brexit can't be stopped. gordon brown has a slightly different approach. he thinks as well there should be another referendum on brexit but he would not be drawn on the timescale. instead just talking about the eu leaving the door open to us coming back in. his solution as he is he sees it is to tackle some of the long—term challenges facing the country after brexit and to do that he has talked about setting up a royal commission. to explain what that is, it is basically a series of consultations to get them to focus on what can brexit they want. would it be like canada with a trade deal or would it be rethinking whether believe at all? he set out his thinking a little earlier when i spoke to him. 0k, little earlier when i spoke to him. ok, we are not hearing from gordon

brown. let me tell you exactly what he did say. essentially he said that the country is divided and could get more divided. but there could be a consensus on how we deal with some of the issues facing the country but in order to do so we need to have a more consultative process, something he felt the government was not doing. in his view it was having a fixed deal. a short—term fix, some form of tried to get through that current difficulties. he said in essence the best way of getting leave voters to be convinced that they are being listened to is to have this consultation and to think about how things have changed since the referendum. one of those of course is migration. he is pointing out that france and belgium has started to register workers, this hasn't actually fallen foul of freedom of movement rules. perhaps we should make a more restrictive view of migration that might leave some leave voters view of migration that might leave some leave voters that it is possible to stay within the eu but

have some restrictions on migration. he was saying in effect that had he beenin he was saying in effect that had he been in charge of negotiations around referendum that is something he would have insisted upon.“ around referendum that is something he would have insisted upon. ifi been negotiating in europe in 2015 and 2016! would have insisted on registration of workers as well as the registration ofjobs. and issues like that being on the table so that we have a chance to discuss what we could do to satisfy people's legitimate worries about migration but do so in a way that could've been done within the european union. interestingly enough he was sent thatis interestingly enough he was sent that is what he done if he had been in charge but you cannot have that freedom under the lisbon treaty, which he signed as to why he didn't do that perhaps many years before there was a referendum and perhaps staved off the possibility of a referendum in the first place. news just in tours here at the bbc and detectives investigating the disappearance of the estate agent

have ended their search at a property in the west midlands. they say they have found no new evidence. speaking to the bbc, the woman's brother said they want the police to continue looking wherever they have credible evidence. in a moment we will be discussing all the businesses but first of look at the headlines bbc live. a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action. pressure mounts on the prime minister to get backing for her brexit plan — opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet. foreign secretaryjeremy hunt flies to saudi arabia to urge cooperation with the investigation into journalist jamal khashoggi's murder. here's your business headlines on afternoon live. the pound is recovering some ground after earlier falls. it's been under pressure because of uncertainty over brexit — and a stronger dollar.

labour shortages are making it harder for firms to fill vacancies according to the hr body, cipd — it says the shortage is being worsened by a "reversal" in the number if migrants working in the uk — with the country becoming less attractive for foreign workers. . .as brexit approaches. shares in british american tobacco and imperial brands have fallen after a report in the wall streetjournal that us regulators want to ban menthol cigarettes. bat owns newport, which is the biggest menthol cigarette brand in america. a lot of us are hiding debt from loved ones, why? o'connor debt is a sensitive subject

appears. according to the money advice service, we are hiding up to £4000 worth of debt from our loved ones. that is the amount of debt we are not saying we are. about a third of say our partners do not know the full extent of our debt. we have on the line the debt management boss for money and advice service. she joins us now. caroline, what are the main reasons we have concealing get? one of the things we know is people are very reluctant to talk about debts and what we tried to do now is encourage people to have a conversation. our research showed that there were £96 billion of talked about debt, so hidden debt across the uk. as you say, an average of £4000 of per person. isn't the tricky thing though that when you owe money, there is still a

certain amount of stigma about it. how can you get people to overcome that reticence to talk about it? we understand it is a really difficult conversation of people to have one of the things we put on our website isa of the things we put on our website is a toolkit that help people state that conversation to make it a success. we do know that if people do not talk about their debts and has a massive impact on their well—being. has a massive impact on their well-being. what are the impacts of hidden debt, notjust on the person who owes the debt but about the person they are concealing it from? one of the things that this research showed was that there was a much greater chance of having arguments, both with your partner, friends and children. people who are struggling and not talking about the problem debt and not talking about the problem d e bt really and not talking about the problem debt really has any impact on their relationships and life. of course we have christmas coming up so perhaps a peaktime have christmas coming up so perhaps a peak time for this? it is a really important time because people want

to ensure they give their family really good christmas. one thing we would encourage people to do is think carefully about putting together a budget. again, we have a christmas planner on our website that can help people track how much they want to spend on all the different elements of christmas and working towards getting that money in place before the big day arrives. thank you forjoining us. talk me through the markets. the ftse have been doing quite well early because of the weakness of the pound which makes it easierfor our exporters to sell abroad. brent crude is doing well and that is because the cloudy energy minister has suggested that his country might need to slash production of oil and that makes it a rarer commodity and that makes it a rarer commodity and that of course pushes the price is up. and british american tobacco not

doing well at all after those reports in the wall streetjournal that the food and drug administration in the us might ban menthol cigarettes. they are very big in that markets that is why you seen pressure on their share price today. see you in an hour. time for a look at the weather. here is susan powell. with an increase in numbers of police on the street. to the west, some of the ray moore heavy and persistent if anything. more showers to take us through the remainder of the afternoon and into the evening rush hour. some eastern counties of england dry and a miles storey. through the evening, some of the showers will remain pretty potent. but by the time we get into

the small hours of tuesday, things will start to come down considerably. the showers really thinning out to the south of the uk. pretty mild night. lows of 6 degrees. tuesday daytime, there will be those showers first thing but overall the prospect in contrast to today, it does look a good deal drier and another breezy day to come. low pressure still driving our weather but the showers we see first thing will thin out by the time we get to the afternoon. almost all of us enjoying a dry spell with some sunny spells. sunshine turning a little hazy in the west through the afternoon. that high cloud is the mark of a weather system coming in around the low once again. high—pressure close by across the continent. that is going to come into play more later in the week but wednesday will be the final day when

we start to see some weather system pushing their way across us. so, some pretty wet weather for northern ireland and northern england first thing. but all the while, the high starting to clear from the south—east, even as we move further into wednesday. and some very warm weather again. 16 degrees in belfast. the high—pressure looks like it will extend across the uk which means a lot of dry weather and mild weather as well, but we could get stuck with some pretty persistent cloud in some places. hello. you're watching afternoon live. i'm rebecca jones. today at 4pm: a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action their ambition hasn't changed.

they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. pressure intensifies on theresa may to get backing for her brexit plan. opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet you must do more. foreign secretaryjeremy hunt visits saudi arabia urging cooperation with the murder investigation of journalist jamal khashoggi. coming up on afternoon live, all the sport. yes, roger federer beaten, novak djokovic up later on, and at the moment on court a real battle between alexander zverev and marin cilic. we will bring you the latest from the atp finals in london. and we'll have all the weather. we will be taking a closer look at

the current situation and also how the current situation and also how the weather forecast unfortunately isn't going to provide any natural relief from those wildfires in the near future. also still to come: on the buses — we'll find out why travelling by bus is more popular than ever in bristol. that's coming up in news nationwide. hello. this is afternoon live. i'm rebecca jones. three people have been convicted of being members of the far—right neo—nazi group national action. it brings to ten the number of people found guilty of belonging to the banned group this year. adam thomas and claudia patatas from banbury, who named their child after adolf hitler, and daniel bogunovic from leicester, will be sentenced at birmingham crown court in december. the group, which was founded

in 2013, was forbidden under anti—terror laws after it celebrated the murder of the labour mp, jo cox. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford reports. a provocative national action demo, before it was banned as a neo—nazi terrorist organisation after celebrating the murder of the labour mpjo cox. on the left here, enthusiastically giving the nazi salute, was national action's main organiser in the midlands, alex deakin. open about his nazi views, he would recruit in universities and even targeted schoolchildren. but after national action was banned, he took his members underground. borrowing tactics from so—called islamic state, he communicated using an encrypted chat group called the triple k mafia, named after the ku klux klan. they are learning from other

terrorist organisations how to communicate, how to radicalise, how to recruit individuals, how to gather weaponry and equipment. their ambition hasn't changed, they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. perhaps the most dangerous recruit to deakin's group was mikko vehvilainen, a serving lance corporal in the british army. he wrote about creating civil disorder and attacking national infrastructure, and accumulated a personal arsenal of guns, crossbows and knives. he had a dummy in his garage which he used to practise stabbing, and a collection of nazi—themed weapons and badges. he had access to young soldiers in his regiment, the royal anglian, and recruited at least three to the neo—nazi cause. he has now been found guilty of being a member of national action and has been thrown out of the army, along with one of his nazi recruits. these individuals were weeded out,

there was a joint operation between us and the police. if there are such serious breaches of values and standards, then the army will take the most serious action against these individuals. and what does that involve? well, that ranges, but it can result in their service being terminated. one of the most extreme people in mikko vehvilainen's group was adam thomas, who also wanted to join the army. he and his partner claudia patatas gave their baby the middle name adolf after adolf hitler. amazingly, just two years earlier, adam thomas had been in israel, and trying to convert to the jewish faith. but by the time of their arrest, claudia patatas and adam thomas's house was full of ku klux klan paraphernalia and nazi symbols, and they also had ambitions for violent disorder, stockpiling weapons like machetes in their bedroom and buying a £1000 crossbow. adam thomas even discussed stealing an sa—80 assault rifle from the army.

his friend darren fletcher, seen here on the left, wrote in the encrypted chat group about killing antiwhite mps in the government, and adam thomas agreed this was a good idea. and it's not been just talk. in wales, one former national action member, zac davies, was convicted of attempting to murder a sikh dentist with a machete. another, jack redshaw, admitted plotting to murder his mp in lancashire. and a third, jack coulson, was found guilty of building a viable pipe bomb in yorkshire. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford reporting there, and i've been speaking to him. he told me more about national action. national action probably never had much more than 100 or so members but

whenjo cox was murdered and they celebrated that murder and more attention was paid to the group and what they were talking about, what they were preparing for was a race war. they were covering weapons for a race war, they were trying to cause a race war by staging provocative demonstrations and some of the discussion that was going on between group members was about killing mps and killing other people, that they felt politically opposed to. that is why they were banned. and then after it was banned, a close i was kept on former members and what police have discovered, and this is ongoing work, is that people had essentially gone underground, were continuing in their chat groups, talking about killing mps, talking about killing members of the government, and also gathering an arsenal of weaponry. some of it wasn't perhaps as dangerous as others, but it was certainly enough to go on killing

people as some former members had dry to do. and how are the security services dealing with this emerging threat from the far right? there is a new buzzword that has emerged in the security word, which stands for extreme right wing, and m15, the security service, have now been tasked with taking over the intelligence rolled around the extreme right. normally that has been done by the police but gathering the intelligence is actually being dealt with by m15 in the same way that they deal with other terrorist groups, and that shows how seriously it is being taken. theresa may is under more pressure over brexit this afternoon. she has 48 hours to put a workable deal together with full cabinet support in time for a possible summit in brussels later this month. and that full support still seems some way off. meanwhile, labour's spokesman keir starmer has said brexit can be stopped, appearing to openly contradict his party leaderjeremy corbyn. our political correspondent chris mason reports. the grand plan, a big brexit summit in brussels,

looking a bit like this, to sign of a withdrawal agreement. the october deadline came and went. and now, it's mid—november. the chances of a november summit are increasingly remote, what are the implications? we are working hard for a deal, a number of important issues which we still have to get bottomed out but we can't rush it, we have to get the right deal, this is an agreement which will endure for many years and we have to take the time to make sure that we get it right. have you any time? we haven't set a particular deadline, we have to be mindful of the parliamentary arrangements in the uk. the uk is leaving the european union at 11 o'clock on friday the 29th march next year. the government wants a withdrawal agreement with the eu, preferably by the end of this month. but that could slip. and then it has to get it through parliament, which looks far from certain. and if it is defeated

in the commons, frankly, who knows what will happen? the prime minister has tied her colours so firmly to this deal, if the deal doesn't get through it is very difficult to see how she can continue. she would have to go? i think if the deal was voted down by parliament i cannot see how she could continue. and we now know the scale and breadth of concern within the cabinet when the prime minister's vision for brexit was first set out in the summer. trade secretary liam fox had concerns, as did the home secretary, sajid javid, and the chancellor wondered if it was achievable, and brexiteers like esther mcvey and penny mordaunt also expressed their doubts. and here is penny mordaunt today, not exactly oozing enthusiasm for the government's plan. the important thing is that there is two checks on this deal, cabinet and parliament. cabinet'sjob is to put something to parliament that is going to deliver on the referendum result. meanwhile over the weekend, the labour leaderjeremy corbyn said

the brexit train can't be stopped. but take a look at this from, yes, his brexit spokesman. yes or no, can brexit be stopped? yes, technically it can be stopped but the question is, what decisions will arise and what about the vote? and this former labour prime minister reckons there will be another referendum. but he is worried. if nothing changes, then we will be an even more divided britain, there is no doubt in my mind about that, more divided than during the three—day week of the ‘70s, more divided than during the miners strike in the ‘80s. as the current prime minister returned to downing street this morning, we are left with one big question — what is going to happen with brexit? your guess is as good as mine. chris mason, bbc news, westminster. our chief political correspondent vicki young has the latest from westminster. and as chris mason said, it is

anyone's guess at this point. we are waiting, there is a normal scheduled cabinet meeting for tomorrow, as there is every tuesday, but at this point we have no idea what they'll be discussing, whether they have any papers to look at relating to all of this, and whether there is any sign ofa this, and whether there is any sign of a breakthrough and the cabinet agreeing something which the eu will accept. i am joined agreeing something which the eu will accept. iam joined by agreeing something which the eu will accept. i am joined by the conservative mp simon hart. it is free like groundhog day. but there will come a point where cabinet, theresa may, they have to make a decision. it feels like these decisions are being deferred a lot because when a decision is made it is going to accept half the people. i think that is absolutely right. we are running out of road now and a decision will have to be made. and it will have to be made hopefully in the cold light of day rather than

the cold light of day rather than the hysteria which is enveloping westminster at the moment. what is the mood, particularly among your conservative mps? to some extent, there are no surprises. it is a very corrugated piece of work, it is untangling a 40 year relationship. the idea that it wouldn't get tense, there wouldn't be resignations, there wouldn't be resignations, there wouldn't be all this rambling, of course that was going to happen. it will get to one minute to midnight before a deal becomes clearer and then we will be able to ta ke clearer and then we will be able to take a view on the deal and compare it to what other outcomes may be. only then do our thoughts really matter, i think. what about the resignation ofjoe johnson. you matter, i think. what about the resignation ofjoejohnson. you were on the same side as him in the referendum, voting remain. he has resigned and wants a second referendum. is he suggesting what theresa may is heading towards is a worse situation? i have quite strong

views about ministers who run away the moment anything gets really difficult. i admire joe johnson but turning his back on this particular problem is not what ministers should be doing at this moment. he should be doing at this moment. he should be fighting his corner, making his case from the privileged position he is in, and i don't think it helped his cause or anybody else's cause to make it into a theatrical exit. what about this idea of another referendum? it does seem there are few, not so many, a few more conservative mps who do feel that might be the only way through this. if it resolves the matter, i can understand why people might be sympathetic to it, but i'm not sure that it sympathetic to it, but i'm not sure thatitis sympathetic to it, but i'm not sure that it is because apart from delaying everything by up to a year, a yearand a delaying everything by up to a year, a year and a half, we would have to put candidates forward for the eu elections next year, we would have to delay article 50 which would mean more uncertainty, i don't think it isa more uncertainty, i don't think it is a magic cure. but also, as

proponents of a second referendum say, it is a device to stop brexit altogether. i don't mind hearing that, but on the other hand, if the result goes to .1 way or the other, is that the end of the matter? is nigel farage going to pat someone on the back and say that is the end of that? of course not. it isjust going to cause further lengthy damaging squabbling of this book that makes voters think, get a grip. solve this problem, don't kick it further down the road. now, the issue of theresa may's deal, the one she seems to be heading towards, that the uk stays in a customs union, do you think it is the case that a bad deal is worse than no deal? i don't think no deal will get through parliament. there is this theory that, don't worry, if we can't reach an agreement, we will

default to no deal. i think that completely underestimates the strength of feeling from conservatives and opposition parties in parliament. 0k, there are probably some procedural elements of the withdrawal agreement which indicates that might not be easy but parliament will find a way, in a brexit like fashion, of expressing its view maybe once, twice, three times. the government can't ignore the will of parliament. i don't think no deal is a realistic prospect, which means we have to find some way of achieving and negotiating a settlement, because thatis negotiating a settlement, because that is the only one that is going to get through him. whatever we come up to get through him. whatever we come up with has to go and get a parliamentary majority and there are 30 brexit rebels on one side, and 30 remain rebels on the other. the prime minister has this much room to manoeuvre. but that is what we have to do because we end up in a no deal

situation, then i think the forces of parliament will rally against that. thank you very much indeed. a negotiated deal is exactly what theresa may is still working on. we know that negotiators were trying to get a breakthrough until about 3am but it seems at the moment they are still not there. you're watching afternoon live. these are our headlines: a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action pressure mounts on the prime minister to get backing for her brexit plan. opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet foreign secretaryjeremy hunt flies to saudi arabia to urge cooperation with the investigation into journalist jamal khashoggi's murder and in sport, alexander zverev battles back to take the first set

against marin cilic in the world tour finals in london. novak djokovic gets his campaign under way this afternoon. samir nasri will make his return from an 18 month doping ban. he is due to have a medical at west ham. and england will be hoping for better weather as they prepared to play bangladesh. their first match against sri lanka was rained off. more on all those stories just after half past. 31 people are now confirmed dead and more than 200 are missing in the wildfires in northern california. that makes them the deadliest in the state's history. around 4,000 firefighters have been tackling the flames, which have been driven by hot, dry winds. chi—chi izundu reports. three major fires continue on their path of destruction. the campfire in the foothills of the sierra nevada mountains north of sacramento has razed nearly 6500 buildings and effectively wiped the town of paradise off the map. at least 31 people are dead.

it is the most destructive fire in californian history. more than 200 are still missing and a quarter of a million people have fled the area. we had no more water and saw the fire came back and we just watched it go. the governor wants the white house to declare a major disaster to get more aid. there is a certain amount of dryness in the vegetation and the soil and the air. and the winds get up 50 to 60 mph. this is what happens. and we have to keep understanding it better. but we are in a new abnormal and things, things like this will be part of our future. in the us this year, wildfires have burned an area nearly the same size as northern ireland and wales combined, well above average. thousands of firefighters battling to contain the blazes in a region that has not seen significant rainfall for seven months. i have two sons and two grandchildren up there.

i can't find out anything about them. i don't know if they are all right or if they got out. this is a picture of them. for this man, tv appeals for loved ones have brought better news. overwhelming joy. just so ecstatic. i didn't know if they were alive and they're alive. the fires are not discriminating. celebrity homes have also been hit. welcome to my home in malibu. that is actor gerard butler returning to the ruins of his home. in a tweet he thanked emergency services for their sacrifice and courage. what we can do, we will do some short bursts, we'll keep our water. cool that propane tank occasionally. firefighters are doing what they can. they're urging people to heed the evacuation orders and a warning with 60 mph winds expected in the next few days, the fires are still spreading quickly and unexpectedly. chi—chi izundu, bbc news.

stefan doerr is a professor of geography at swansea university and is an expert on wildfires. can you give us a sense of why these fires are so bad? at the moment we have a rather unusual situation, very strong winds, they are very dry, they have very low humidity, and vegetation has turned into a very flammable fuel because we had several months of very dry weather, several months of very dry weather, several months of drought, so it's an extremely flammable landscape. several months of drought, so it's an extremely flammable landscapem we have got wind, drought, what other factors are contributing? population growth, might that be another one? perhaps the most important factor is that population growth is in an area or areas that have never been subjected to wildfires. wildfires are normal and

they will be frequent in the future and they have been frequent in the past, but in the wildland urban interface, more and more people are exposed to wildfire, and now it has led to many tragic deaths. it is very interesting you are saying wildfires are normal. that puts paid to the idea that climate change has got anything to do with it. well, yes and no. climate change will increase the risk of wildfire occurring, without doubt. california has already demonstrated that the wildfire season is increasing. it is very clear that fires will be increasing in the area but fires are normal in this ecosystem. you will be very aware of donald trump's controversial tweet, blaming the authorities of gross mismanagement of the forests. is that partly to blame? well, mismanagement of

landscape as a whole is sort of to blame because what is happening is, the fuel or vegetation is reduced to a degree that perhaps the next fire is not quite so extreme, but many decades of keeping fire out of the landscape has resulted in parts of the western united states being more flammable, so in a sense management is to blame but the other part of it is to blame but the other part of it is that we have more people living in this urban interface. and the forest service itself, to blame the forest service itself, to blame the forest service itself, to blame the forest service for poor management is insulting. that is only responsible for the federal land. thank you very much. we have to leave it there. really good to talk to you. the foreign secretaryjeremy hunt is in saudi arabia, urging the authorities there to do more to deliverjustice for the family of the murdered journalist jamal khashoggi. he was killed in the saudi consulate in istanbul six weeks ago. the foreign secretary's visit comes after the us secretary of state,

mike pompeo, told the saudi crown prince, that washington would hold everyone involved in the killing accountable. richard galpin reports. the foreign secretary's visit in saudi arabia started with a meeting this morning with king salman. mr hunt apparently aiming to keep pressure on the country's leadership following the killing of mr khashoggi last month. he was expected to tell them the international community remains united in horror and outrage at the brutal murder ofjamal khashoggi, and encourage the saudi authorities to cooperate fully with the turkish investigation into his death. it is now more than five weeks since the journalist made the fatal decision to enter the saudi consulate here in istanbul. having initially denied he had been murdered there, the saudi authorities eventually admitted this but are still claiming the royal family was not involved. but at the weekend, turkey's president erdogan made an important announcement.

he said he had handed over audio recordings to western countries, including britain, reportedly documenting the killing. and he says the murder was ordered at the highest levels of the saudi government. also adding to the pressure on the saudi leadership, the us secretary of state mike pompeo, in paris yesterday, said the united states would hold all those involved in the murder accountable. his comments made in a phone call with crown prince mohammad bin salman, the country's de facto leader. how much all this will convince the saudis to reveal all the details of who ordered the killing is questionable. and meanwhile, there is another agenda, the long conflict here in yemen, in which saudi arabia has been playing a key role. there is a push now for a ceasefire being led by the united states, britain and other western countries,

as millions of yemenis face notjust the fighting but also an impending famine. the bombing campaign led by saudi arabia and the united arab emirates has left many civilians dead. with the saudis under intense pressure over the murder of mr khashoggi, britain and the united states see an opportunity to make a ceasefire happen. palestinian militants have fired dozens of rockets from the gaza strip into southern israel, hitting a bus. paramedics said a 19—year—old israeli man was seriously wounded in the attack. israel said its fighter jets are now targeting militant sites inside gaza. in the past few minutes there's been reports that two palestinians have been killed. we'll bring you more on that as we get it. today's fighting follows an exchange of fire during an israeli special forces operation inside gaza yesterday that

left seven palestinian militants and an israeli soldier dead. the clashes took place east of khan younis, in the south of the territory. well, this is the view right now, looking over gaza city. it looks peaceful at the moment but we will bring you any updates when we will bring you any updates when we get them. detectives investigating the 1986 disappearance of the estate agent, suzy lamplugh, have ended their search at a property in the west midlands, saying they've found no evidence. metropolitan police officers have been digging up a garden at a house in sutton coldfield, once owned by the mother ofjohn cannan — the prime suspect in suzy‘s killing. suzy was declared dead in 1994 but a body has never been found. time for a look at the weather.

we are looking at a picture of the west coast of america and these terrible wildfires we are looking at a satellite image but usually the white is cloud but at the moment the skies are very clear across this pa rt skies are very clear across this part of the state and we have high pressure and a lot of settled weather. this is smoke. this is where we had the big fire, across northern california, you can see the fire is the red area and you can see just how far this plume of cloud has been dragged by the strong winds all the way to the coastline and also just done here you can make out another area of red and that is the fire in thousand oaks, where all the big—name celebrities have been talking about what is going on there. the cloud feeding on the wind

and they are critical, partly because they are fanning the fire but also helping to spread them. you mentioned high pressure and forgive my schoolgirl geography but wouldn't that help the firefighters tackled the fire? ina way, tackled the fire? in a way, yes, because we have a lot of settled weather. but we don't have any natural moisture around and this highly is coming in across the plains and there is a lot of dry air. the flow is an offshore so we are taking dry air, moving it across the rockies, and then descending down the other side, into california. it gets naturally warmed just by the fact the area is sinking. very dry as well, the ground is very dry. and the strength of those winds, well—known across southern california, these are 50—60 mph winds that funnelled down into the north of baja california. and

they are very common at this time of year as well. sadly, as are the wildfires. but even further north, not showing up quite so clearly. we have got significant winds further north also contributing to the spread of the fire and just helping to sustain things. and a high pressure isn't going anywhere so no sign ofany pressure isn't going anywhere so no sign of any rainfall coming in from the west coast, which probably would be the biggest way for us to see any mass dousing of the fire. for nature to help. clearly a congregate in weather picture and it feels somewhat ironic that we are talking about no rainfall there and i got absolutely drenched coming into work this morning. most of us did. let me show you what is going on. i had a soggy start my day. some beautiful looking is the skies. some real ramblings across

southern england. more organised showers coming in in bands further west because we've had a weather feature running around an area of low pressure. plenty of showers around this evening, there just to get back on the way home through the rush hour. a little clearer for northern ireland the eastern reaches of england and the far north of scotland. the showers do ramble on for quite a while. but into the small hours of tuesday, skies becoming much clearer. northern ireland looking much drier. still some showers further north to get the day and away but the forecast for tomorrow and tuesday is for a considerably drier day. it will still be breezy. some decent spells of sunshine around. and we have another mild day to come. but through the morning they will start to thin out. by lunchtime,

essentially they are gone. a few for wales, a few in the bristol channel, but a dry picture on the whole for tuesday. some sunny spells and highs of 14 degrees. the cloud coming into the west, you can see it trying to squeeze its weight later on tuesday and into wednesday. low pressure trying to throw another frontal system at us. it will bring some rain early on wednesday. before leaving the wettest weather across scotla nd leaving the wettest weather across scotland through the afternoon. by then, things starting to get clearer from the south and that gives us a clue what is going to come for the rest of the week. for the latter pa rt rest of the week. for the latter part of the week, what happens? high—pressure starting to extend from the continent. it is going to bring a lot of mild weather...

through the weekend, even into next week, we will get stuck with some southern areas of cloud and we may see some lingering patches of fog. an autumnal feel to our weather but we move between showers and a quieter regime but one that will bring us some for the skies and we may even see some frost becoming a bit more prevalent as we move into next week. is this is bbc news — our latest headlines. a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action. their ambition hasn't changed. they are seeking violent extremism, they are seeking to wage a race war on the streets of the united kingdom. pressure intensifies on theresa may to get backing for her brexit plan — opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet you must do more — foreign secretaryjeremy hunt visits saudi arabia urging cooperation with the murder investigation

of journalist jamal khashoggi. and coming up, on the buses — we'll find out why travelling by bus is more popular than ever in bristol — that's coming up in news nationwide. sport now on afternoon live with katherine downes and who's impressing at the world tour finals in london? after the shock defeat of roger federer yesterday, who has been impressing you? the first singles match of the day has just finished at the o2 and alexander zverev, what at the o2 and alexander zverev, what a battle from him. marin cilic at the other end. he was 5—3 up in that

set but alexander zverev fought back to win the first set on a tie—break and this is how the second set when. also on a tie—break. alexander zverev through but what a year marin cilic has had. you would have expected it to be a tight battle between these two but alexander zverev between these two but alexander zve rev just between these two but alexander zverev just edging it between these two but alexander zverevjust edging it out. the first singles match that is at the o2. novak djokovic will take onjohn is there later on this evening. will we see another at set there? of course the tennis under the lights because it is in doors. i think the women cricketers in the caribbean could do with a bit of that. yes, they will wa nt to with a bit of that. yes, they will want to put a roof over the whole island of st lucia because their match against bangladesh is not working good. so far england have not played any cricket at all

because this is how it looked for the opening game against shrank. the match abandoned at the weekend. the ball going nowhere. play due to start at eight o'clock tonight but it is dependent on the weather. england have only got one point on the board so far. despite thrashing sri lanka in the first test last week, england still have some issues over the top of their batting order ahead of the second match on wednesday. there's still no confirmation that jonny bairstow will be fit for selection. moeen ali failed twice at number three, and fellow batsman jos buttler says he'd be happy to bat in that position. i think that adaptability that trevor and joe have talked about, being flexible with the order is a real strength and i think it has been a strength of the one—day side for a while now, been able to be flexible with the order. just because it is test match cricket, there are not many egos in the team that need these defined roles. you need a good balance and i think it shows a good team environment

and an ethic that people are willing to play wherever is required of them. samir nasri is undergoing a medical at west ham and could be reunited with his former manchester city manager manuel pellegrini as he makes his return to football after an 18 month ban for doping. he was punished for using a intravenous drip, which contained more nutrients than the limit allowed. it's understood the france international will join west ham for six months — but can sign a proper contract from the first of january. manchester city boss pep guardiola has been asked by the football association to explain comments he made about the referee before sunday's derby with manchester united. premier league bosses are not to speak about match officials before fixtures. but before his side's 3—1 home win, guardiola responded to a question that suggested anthony taylor might be biased in united's favour. he has until 6pm on thursday to respond. real madrid are set to appoint santiago solari

as the club's permanent manager. the spanish football association says it has received solari's contract from the la liga club, although there has not yet been an announcement from real. solari took over last month on an interim basis after the sacking of former spain managerjulen lopetgui. that's all the sport for now. now on afternoon live — let's go nationwide — and see what's happening around the country — in our daily visit to the bbc newsrooms around the uk. let's go to david garmston in bristol, where the city's bus service has seen a 40% increase in the number ofjourneys over the past eight years. that's despite the number ofjourneys being down in many other parts of the country. lot to talk to you about david.

and in glasgow is reevel alderson, with the story of a company of royal scots soldiers who fought on after armistice day in november 1918. the fascinating story, looking forward to talking to you about that. david, ifi forward to talking to you about that. david, if i might start with you. i know you have had mps on the buses today. why is that? yes, you don't see bristol mps on a bus for ages and then a couple come along at the same time. a bus usage is up 40% of the last eight years where is in other cities of our size fewer people are taking the bus. but like most things in life that is not the whole story. it didn't take this mp long to work out that not everyone is delighted to be on the buses.|j

work here in bristol because bus use has risen which is quite different to the trend of boss used generally across the country, so we're coming to see what bristol have done to increase bus but we also know that listening to the voice of local passengers that all is not as people would like it to be. so we want to hear what the continuing challenges i was well. that is the question isn't it? what other local passengers saying? well, passengers are scratching their heads because farfrom seeing are scratching their heads because far from seeing the buses is a great success story, a lot of them believe the service is a nightmare. first bus who run it have admitted they have been 50 drivers short over the summer. there are roadworks everywhere, so just getting to work has been a long haul, as this passenger told us. eye it is really frustrating, i never know if i will be on time for work. i leave an hour and a half early and that is not enough time to go three and a half miles, which for me seems beyond a

joke. but despite all that bus use is going up and we think there are lots of reasons for that. we are a huge student city and the campuses spread out across the city centre. they tend to use the buses of course. we are all quite green in the west country so it is seen as quite cool to be taking public transport and cynics might say they wrote a soap congested and parking so difficult that a lot of people don't have a lot of choice but to jump don't have a lot of choice but to jump on the number eight bus. tickets please! indeed, i like that should your shoulders. i think you should your shoulders. i think you should do that again! did i cool you anderson earlier, i now not...|j have been cold worse! me to! can you tell is why british troops were fighting in russia and i don't understand why they were fighting after the armistice. well, it was after the armistice. well, it was

after the armistice. well, it was after the russian revolution the bolsheviks signed a peace treaty with the germans but the allies wa nted with the germans but the allies wanted to keep german troops occupied in the east to prevent the bridge men back and material into the conflict in france. said by the middle of 1918 there were about 30,000 allied soldiers from america, france and many other countries as well as the uk in russia both in the north and in the caucasus. it was fierce fighting, mainly along rivers and railways, the communication lines in russia. and on the day the armistice was signed, at dawn attack against the company of royal scots left 18 men dead and 34 wounded before the bolsheviks were forced back into the forests. in all, in this conflict in the north of russia, 251 scots died and the conflict went on until 1920 before all allied troops were withdrawn. now, apart from the scots, many other units from britain and the

commonwealth were involved and five vcs were awarded in this conflict along with many of the bravery decorations. but not all of the troops were battle hardened and the royal scots who i have described having this attack for example had spent the entire war in britain in coastal defence because they were classified as unfit for front—line service. but colonel mike dixon of the royal scots museum save they acquit themselves well. eye reading the diaries from soldiers there, dave manda and they did extremely well in very difficult conditions with a huge number of enemy facing them. it seems absolutely extraordinary to me that this conflict isn't better known. why is that? i think there are two reasons, first because of the huge relief at the end of four years of war which of course was closer to home than russia. and the public have become

used to victories. in the 100 days leading up to armistice, and now the guns were silent and everybody‘s thoughts turn to relief and peace. but second, it was a bit of an embarrassment, there were some mutinies, not among british troops but the policy also seemed confused. fighting was continuing and troops we re fighting was continuing and troops were being withdrawn at the same time. and let's not forget, what they were doing was fighting in a single war. they were fighting on the side of the white russians that we re the side of the white russians that were against the bolsheviks and ultimately by 1920 it became apparent that the bolsheviks were winning, the red tide was winning, and the allies had to get out. so it isa and the allies had to get out. so it is a bit of an embarrassment on the wrong time. fascinating stuff. good to talk to you both. thank you for joining us on nationwide. if you'd like to see more on any of

those stories you can access them via the bbc i play. and a reminder we go nationwide every weekday afternoon at 4:30pm on afternoon live. a rally is taking place this afternoon at the pakistani embassy in central london in support of asia bibi, a christian woman who was recently released after spending eight years on death row for alleged blasphemy offences. the mother—of—five had been in prison in pakistan since 2010. her recent acquittal has led to violent protests in the country — with many calling for her to be jailed again. as you can hear behind me, protesters have been hearing speeches, some candles have just been lit and now they are singing. asia bibi was imprisoned for nearly a decade, she was on death row for eight years, accused of blasphemy of blasphemy against islam, an argument with

fellow villagers over a cup of water. they accused her of insulting the prophet muhammad. she was convicted by lower courts, freed last week by the supreme court. and with me is wilson chowdhury from the british pakistan christian association. wilson, what are you asking for? we're asking for the pakistani government to do the right thing and allow this woman to be set free, to get away from that country where 95% of the population want her debt. we wa nt of the population want her debt. we want her to be put out of the auspices of this, these security forces who failed to protect other people. she needs to be in a safe environment, protected in the west. the pakistan government say she is safe in pakistan at the moment. what is your understanding of the legal process ? is your understanding of the legal process? sadly, despite the fact that asia bibi has been exonerated, acquitted by the most senior supreme

courtjudges in the land, the capitulation of imran khan to millions of writers, i know the news has been reporting thousands, there are hundreds of thousands of people in major cities calling for her blood and smashing buildings. because of those protests, imran khan agreed to hear a petition in the supreme court challenging the supreme court verdict. this is unheard of, it is unlawful, it is above his authority. but now tap—in three has to go through that. using the british government should offer her political asylum ? —— the british government should offer her political asylum? —— they should have done this a long time ago. they are one of the few nations that have not offered. on monday there was absolutely no country that have offered asia bibi and herfamily asylum. after we sent out a video. several nations came forward. britain is not one of them. for a country with such a highly respected history of helping asylum seekers

and refugees, this is a smack in the face. it is embarrassing being british today and i hope politicians listen to this, especially theresa may the prime minister and jeremy hunt do something to change that. we are written to them asking for an audience. i begged them to allow as audience. i begged them to allow as a few minutes to share our concerns and they need to listen to them. thank you very much. we understand that several western governments have offered asylum to asia bibi and herfamily. the have offered asylum to asia bibi and her family. the british have offered asylum to asia bibi and herfamily. the british government said they would not comment on individual cases. bbc presenter has been involved in a collision with a pick—up truck this afternoon. no one was injured but both vehicles were damaged. bbc wales has been told that the pick—up truck was manoeuvring in an apparent three—point turn before the

collision and that speed was not a factor. the business use, in a moment so that don't go away. festival here are the headlines. a couple who named their baby after adolf hitler are found guilty of being members of a banned terrorist group — national action pressure mounts on the prime minister to get backing for her brexit plan —— opponents sayjudgement day is coming for the cabinet. foreign secretaryjeremy hunt flies to saudi arabia to urge cooperation with the investigation into journalist jamal khashoggi's khashoggi's murder. here's your business headlines on afternoon live. the pound is recovering some ground after earlier falls. it's been under pressure because of uncertainty over brexit — and a stronger dollar. labour shortages are making it harder for firms to fill vacancies according to the hr body, cipd — it says the shortage

is being worsened by a "reversal" in the number if migrants working in the uk — with the country becoming less attractive for foreign workers. . .as brexit approaches. shares in british american tobacco and imperial brands have fallen after a report in the wall streetjournal that us regulators want to ban menthol cigarettes. bat owns newport, which is the biggest menthol cigarette brand in america. what is happening with the pound? volatility hitting the pound at the moment. one of the big reasons for this is uncertainty over a thing cold brexit! as you say, there has been uncertainty over whether or not we're going to get deal before we

leave. uncertainty over whether we're going to seek cabinet unity over the unified position. but that is not the only thing that has been affecting the volatility of the currency. one of the other major factors is a strong resurgent dollar. the dollar is doing particular well because there is speculation that there is going to bea speculation that there is going to be a rising interest rates in the united states. let's get more on this with richard marwood who is an a nalyst this with richard marwood who is an analyst from royal london asset management, hejoins analyst from royal london asset management, he joins us analyst from royal london asset management, hejoins us now. what do you think is going to, what direction you think sterling is going to take now we have all these factors in play? side unfortunately, it is very hard to tell, there are lots of uncertainty out there. probably the most among those is brexit but the interest rates here and in the us as well and it does have quite a profound impact on the stock market on the days when the pound is quite strong a lot of

domestic companies like retailers and house—builders do well. and then on days when the pound is weak it all reverses and it is the overseas earners that then overtake leadership of the market. so it has been quite a roller—coaster ride. particularly difficult times for exporters to know how to structure their plans. very much so, yes. a lot of companies tend to do forward deals about currencies but they still have to decide when to strike those deals and at what level to set them. let's turn to tobacco now and another potential blow to the industry. reports in the wall street journal that the us authorities are going to ban menthol cigarettes. how big a deal will this be for the industry? it would be quite a big deal, it is a meaningful percentage of the business of both british american tobacco and imperial brands. this is something regulators have looked at in the past. just under ten years ago they looked at

banning menthol cigarettes and they decided that they wouldn't. they band all other flavoured cigarettes but decided to keep menthol. i suppose the big question is then we re suppose the big question is then were they to ban menthol cigarettes, how long would it take for that band to ta ke how long would it take for that band to take affect? then obviously the people who would normally smoke menthol cigarettes, what will they do? will they quit smoking or decide to smoke ordinary cigarettes or start vaping? there are lots of uncertainties and as you know this book, —— the stock market does not like uncertainty. that is interesting that they mention punishment in the share prices. let's have a look at the markets. bit of punishment going on for the footsie. it had been doing quite well but as you said it is reversing those gains. the sterling is beginning to reverse losses from earlier which is good news for people who are looking to capitalise

on the fortunes of sterling. brent crude is doing particular well and the reason for that is the cloudy energy minister —— the cloudy arabia energy minister —— the cloudy arabia energy minister —— the cloudy arabia energy minister has said he can see case for cutting production of oil which of course puts pressure on supply. and british american tobacco looking pretty bad there because of that ban on menthol cigarettes in the us. see you tomorrow. the german chancellor drew on years of international diplomacy this morning to clear up a case of mistaken identity — a 101—year—old lady thought she was the french president's wife. angela merkel was meeting crowds with president macron after the pair unveiled a plaque to mark the signing of the armistice of the first world war. when they met the 101 year old, she enthusiastically gripped macron's hand, saying "it's impossible,

an ordinary woman like me shaking hands with the president of the republic. it's fantastic!". she then greeted chancellor merkel by saying "you are madame macron!". the german leader explained that she was in fact the german chancellor — and it seems the penny only dropped whilst she was having a photograph in between the two heads of state. you really could not make that up

could you! at least emmanuel macron ron got its voter. that is as from others. simon will be back tomorrow. next, the 5pm news. before that, let's catch up with the weather and here is susan powell. hello, once again we have been watching punchy showers in eastern parts of the uk. to the west, some of the rain more heavy and persistent if anything, another weather from feeding in which is dominating the weather at the moment. more showers to take us through the remainder of the afternoon and into the evening rush hour. driest likely to be the north of scotla nd hour. driest likely to be the north of scotland and eastern parts of england but my old with highs of 13 or 14 degrees. through the evening rush some showers will remain potent, not the greatest conditions on the roads. by the time we get into the small hours of the morning

things will come down considerably. the showers thinning the south. some lingering in the north and in scotla nd lingering in the north and in scotland as dues that gets under way. lows of six to 8 degrees. showers around first thing but the contrast with today as it looks dry. another breezy day to come. lower pressure driving our weather but the showers we see first thing but thin out by the time get the afternoon. almost all others enjoying a dry speu almost all others enjoying a dry spell with sunny spells. the sunshine turning hazy in the west through the afternoon as high cloud arrives. 13 of 14. that cloud is a markerfor arrives. 13 of 14. that cloud is a marker for weather system coming in that will affect northern and western areas on wednesday. high—pressure close by on the continent, that will come into play later on in the week. whence they will be the final day where we see

weather fronts pushing their way across us. pretty wet weather for northern ireland and england first thing, drier in the afternoon. all the while high starting to clear things from the south—east as we move into wednesday and a very warm weather again, 16 degrees in belfast to the cloud. the latter part of the week the high—pressure looks like it will extend across the uk meaning a lot of dry weather, mild weather as well. we could get stuck in some places with persistent cloud and maybe some lingering patches of fog. the today at five — a couple who named their baby "adolf" in tribute to hitler are jailed for belonging to a banned neo—nazi group. the couple from leicester were convicted along with a third man for being members of national action. and are preparing to instigate a

race war in the united kingdom. we'll talk to an expert on the rise of neo—nazi groups the other main stories on bbc news at 5... 48 hours to put together a deal — pressure mounts on theresa may to get ministers to rally around her brexit plan. labour says it could still be decided by a public vote. if that's not the case, then all options on the table,