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telegraph, no deal is the telegraph, no deal is better than caving into brussels. it has put it into quote marks, who exactly is it quoting? there is an awful richness to this telegraph story. one of them is you have dominic raab, brexit secretary, basically saying that the current demands that brussels are making britain are unacceptable, and other cabinet ministers supporting him, then you have william hague, former foreign secretary, who backed remain, but is how secretary, who backed remain, but is now saying if brussels is making the kind of unreasonable requests it seems to be, like last week we have a story about them saying we wouldn't even be a to control our fishing waters, we really do start needing to prepare for no deal, which takes us back to the headline itself, and that we have four months potentially to do it. now this is getting really high stick stuff now. that's what i was wondering, polly, is there a sense that this is all about the theatre and the brinksmanship you get in the final bid, where everybody‘s pushing for that last advantage before they finally do a deal, or do you get the
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sense that actually nobody quite knows where this is leading but they are getting more and more as a mystic about the possibility of extracting victory from the jaws of defeat, as it were? ithink it is really tricky to know. there is the sense theresa may is under real pressure to do a deal because she needs to make a decision about how much to spend on preparations for no deal, and of course if we do get a deal, and of course if we do get a deal, that is wasted money at a time when there is plenty of things to spend money within government on. what's tricky here, though, people have been talking up for quite a longtime have been talking up for quite a long time that they don't and to have a majority in parliament for the kind of deal she might you to get back from brussels. problem, they don't have a majority for no deal either, and so it is not as simple as us just kind of falling off the cliff and going to no deal, if theresa may's deal doesn't go through, because the whole point of brexit is to make parliament sovereign, and parliament might decide to do all sorts of things. remember, labour party's policy is
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to call a general election, they mean try to have a vote of no—confidence, imagine theresa may wins that, what other things will parliament discuss? that way get to this fundamental constitutional impasse, there is a majority in for brexit, that not any individual kind of brexit, which is why more and more people are saying they ought to go back to the people. while parliament of course is having these votes, the clock keeps ticking, and now one of the moment i think has perhaps faced up, well, i don't we have adamantly faced up to the fact that stopping the clock or we want to renegotiate, we want to have a second referendum, and have we want to do, that might not be possible. legally, the eu has to agree to it... it might be out of our hands will stop polly is absolutely right, there is not a majority for no deal in parliament but it may well be that simply because time is going on, that is where we will be heading. it almost ends up as the default position. in the daily mail,
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this picture of the prime minister arriving for the lord mayor's banquet this evening, and then she delivered a speech as we were seeing earlier on the bbc news channel, vicki young talking about it extensively, a speech that did deal with brexit a bit, polly, but also reminded people that an independent britain, a non—eu britain will be casting much more widely with internationalforeign casting much more widely with international foreign policy. casting much more widely with internationalforeign policy. that's what she's saying. the problem is that if we do end up with a kind of brexit in name only kind of deal that lots of those things she is promising won't necessarily be possible. i think she has sort of made her own bed, really. she didn't go straight for a kind of compromise, let's bring the country back together brexit strategy. she spent months and then years talking up spent months and then years talking up her red lines, and so to now be basically giving up on all those red lines makes her look foolish, to be honest. and weak. this is what europe has seen, why have long worried about theresa may being our
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prime minister during these renegotiations, so many u—turns in positions, she has you turned on semenuk positions i think brussels thinks if we wait her out, she will you turn again. unfortunately that is why we are in such a weak position as we are. i hear the voice of margaret thatcher echoing in my ears, the lady is not returning. ferrer this lady is not the learning, that's the problem, she keeps making the same problem again and again. one of the reasons dominic raab may be against her is partly because she is hardly using him in negotiations, she has completely given it over to the civil service. that was the complaint david davis made when he was brexit secretary. the front of the daily mail, i remember many moons ago when you were a key figure in the conservative christian fellowship. that's right. we've both
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been around too long! this story is an extraordinary story, terrifying in many ways. her lawyer had already fled pakistan because he fears for his fate. boris johnson fled pakistan because he fears for his fate. borisjohnson now fled pakistan because he fears for his fate. boris johnson now saying britain has a moral obligation. i think, to be fair, the italians abroad it offered her sanctuary, in some way has to be found to get her safely out of pakistan. there are huge problems with religious freedom all over the world, and to the bbc's credits of the coverage it has given to this issue is really welcome, because in all sorts of parts of particularly the middle east, christians are facing terrible persecution, and this one story of this very brave woman as i think brought it alive for people. of course it is perfectly possible that the uk government is in advanced talks, i don't know we just don't know, because it is too sensitive to the public. they cannot say they are in those talks, it may be that she
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arrives at heathrow, or at rome airport, or schiphol, and she is free, andi airport, or schiphol, and she is free, and i hope so, but renegotiations will inevitably be behind the scenes, but having we must be a country, we are a multicultural society of the wii must stand up for religious freedom of all people, but we are a christian heritage nation, and i think we should be to provide refuge. to prime minister has offers not only a practising christian but the daughter of a vicar of the church of england. i wanted to bring you in on this, polly, on paton. they warning across the bow is that a significant amount of reduction can spend on this fixed term betting machines. this is weird, because the government insisted the years on bringing the maximum stake, and down
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to £2, and they were forced to cave m, to £2, and they were forced to cave in, because was really clear there was a kind cross party consensus in parliament but they wanted to move. an incredible campaign, people quite to the far right and to the far left really campaigning on this. they said they were going to do it, and then they delayed it so much that then they delayed it so much that the minister leading the campaign, leading to do that, tracey crouch, resigned. and now of course parliament, which pushed the government on this, is going to rebel against. they are going to force another vote in parliament, they have tracey crouch find them, and they will cave in, because the government, doesn't have a majority, let's remember. let's celebrate this moment, you and i, polly, we disagree on so much but phil hammond has brought us together. most everyone apart from the chancellor and the prime minister seem to think this policy is a complete mess. isn't it extraordinary that a
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government in so much trouble, going out and looking for more trouble. yes yes, like a masochist strategy. is it that they are so distracted by brexit and worrying about the numbers that they are not spotting some of these other elephant traps? i think this is much more to do with the conservatism of her majesty's treasury. ferrer bean counters. they have their eye on the revenue from these machines and they don't want to lose it, they have made this argument about some new tax change coming in that will take another six months. we will briefly touch on the front of the metro, this is the national action, apart from the bizarre thought of a couple naming their child adolf, middle name, in some sort of tribute, it would be illegal in a country like germany, obviously not here. but what is involved here is an organisation that was willing to consider violence as a way of promoting its cause, and that puts them in a different category from some of the other groups on the far right. some
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of these far right nazis, they are cartoon characters, but i think after the murder ofjo cox, the labourmp after the murder ofjo cox, the labour mp who was killed a couple of years ago, after that happened, and the link of the murderer to some of these organisations, i think the police have quite rightly realised that islamic associated terrorism may be the biggest terrorist threat that we face, but there is some white supremacists, there is some pretty nasty domestic sort of forms of extremism that they are facing up to, and some convictions here today, which news organisations have been not unable to report up until now but there is frightening stuff in the papers tomorrow that people will read with horror, i think. polly, we re read with horror, i think. polly, were you surprised by this?|j read with horror, i think. polly, were you surprised by this? i was surprised there is a serving soldier among the people convicted here, and what's really important is that it doesn't really matter what views you are advocating for with violence if you are willing to put murder and
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terror in the service of your cause, then you ought to be in prison, it's just that simple. tim, front of the times, men and women really do think differently, say scientists. really? week agree on everything, don't we? (!) except football, yes. this extraordinary revelation though i would never believe this is true. but apparently it is. what is their scientific justification to this shocking allegation?” scientific justification to this shocking allegation? i need to get to the bottom of it, but it seems to bea to the bottom of it, but it seems to be a longitudinal study that does seem be a longitudinal study that does seem to have found that there are different, in our biological make—up, where we see certain issues differently. polly, does that chime? you were a bit, the old correlation, sorry, i'll start again, correlation does not necessarily prove causation. i don't think it is quite that, it is a different statistical point, which is that differences between groups are not the same as
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differences between individuals. that is simplest to understand it this way. men on average are taller than women, and yet there are plenty of women individuals who are taller than individual men, and so it is both not possible to say that is the bane of amman and that is the brain ofa woman, bane of amman and that is the brain of a woman, and yet it is possible to see that there are differences on average between groups. what we mustn't allow is for those differences on average between groups to then turn into discrimination. oh, you're a woman so you're not allowed to work on an oil—rich, and you are a man, and therefore you can't work and childcare. that is prejudice prejudice comes in, misreading the science. thank you for proving it, because you explained it, and he and i couldn't. that's it for the papers for the moment. don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. thank you to tim and polly, we will
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see you again in half an hour, and i will see you just after this short break when we are back with the news at the top of the hour. stay with us. at the top of the hour. stay with us. click good evening. after a pretty lively day of sunshine and heavy thundery showers across the country, the weather is now starting to quieten down a little bit. this was the scene early on to him by one of our weather watchers in leeds, lots of beautiful rainbows up and down the country earlier on in the day. all these heavy downpours have been done to this lower area of pressure, which shifts shifting its weight across the country, not quite out of the way just yet. across the country, not quite out of the wayjust yet. there are more showers to come through the course of tonight. this is the recent radar from the past few hours, chose where we have seen lightning strikes, most of it is now easing away, but we will keep that threat of some heavy showers across parts of southern
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england, and western parts of the uk too. through tonight, most of them use away but by the early hours of tuesday, a few still continuing to the west of scotland, north—west england too. temperatures between five and eight or 9 degrees, so a frost—free start though it will feel quite fresh first thing. through tomorrow, if you isolated showers for western areas, they will fade away and then it is looking much drier, leicester win the event today, so a fine day, top temperatures on the mild day butt mild side for the time of year. 14 degrees or so. skies will cloud over later in the day towards the west will stop as we move through to the evening hours, that is when was the brain to northern ireland, northern england and scotland too, courtesy to the next area of low pressure. heading through into wednesday, some outbreaks of rain across the north western half of the uk, with higher pressure holding on further south. through the day on wednesday, a cloudy day the northern ireland, scotla nd cloudy day the northern ireland,
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scotland and northern england, with a bit of rainfall here. could be heavy to the west of scotland and the further south across england and wales, likely to keep the sunshine and the dry weather all day and it will be a little warmer than it has been. top temperatures by wednesday up been. top temperatures by wednesday up to around 15 degrees. we still have this very mild air with us, the yellow colours show that, we have weather front sitting out of the north—west, but high pressure across the near continent will start to dominate the weather more so as we looked was the end of the week. thursday into friday, lots of dry weather across the country, temperatures doing pretty well, 16 or 17 degrees, but the can also season problems with mist and fog developing. through the weekend, although things stay largely dry and mild, there could be some mist and fog. goodbye. this is bbc news, i'm shaun ley.
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the headlines at 11pm: just days to agree a brexit deal, the pressure builds on the prime minister in a speech tonight she says there will not be an agreement at any cost. the brexit talks are not about me or my personal fortunes, they are about the national interest, and that means making what i believe to be the right choices, not the easy ones. a couple from leicester who named their baby boy adolf out of admiration for hitler are among three people jailed for belonging to the banned neo—nazi group national action. also tonight, the united nations is warning of catstrophic consequences for millions as yemen's war intensifies. as saudi coaliton and government forces advance on the port of hudaydah and rebel houthi fighters dig in, the foreign secretary is in saudi arabia for talks aimed
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