tv Tuesday in Parliament. BBC News November 14, 2018 2:30am-3:01am GMT
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this is bbc news, the headlines: theresa may has been meeting her ministers to win their support for a draft agreement on brexit. there's to be a cabinet meeting on wednesday, when she'll expect ministers to back the proposed withdrawal agreement. it will then have to be approved by other eu leaders and parliament. hundreds of people are still thought to missing in the aftermath of the worst wildfires in the history of california. forty—four people are now known to have died. firefighters have made some progress in containing the two biggest blazes but say there is still a long fight ahead. the un security council has failed to agree how to address violence between israel and the palestinians in gaza. the heaviest clashes in four years erupted on sunday evening when hamas militants intercepted an undercover israeli operation. hamas has said it will observe an egyptian—brokered ceasefire if israel does. now on bbc news, tuesday in parliament. hello there and welcome
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to tuesday in parliament. coming up, the government faces demands to reveal what its lawyers are telling it about the legal implications of any brexit deal. it's a cardinal principle of our system of government that ministers and officials need to be able to prepare the british negotiating position in private. successive governments have waived the convention against nondisclosure in exceptional circumstances and these are clearly exceptional circumstances. as the cabinet considered a draft brexit agreement, mps wonder if ministers will have to call in the troops to police the uk's borders. if no deal is agreed. our plans for the border do not focus or feature the claimant to the armed forces.
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also on this programme, there's a demand to outlaw unauthorized traveler sites. in a large number of travel sites there's no proper which assist them with human excrement flowing into local pitches. but first, uk and eu officials agreed the draft of brexit agreement. in a significant breakthrough for the talks. the cabinet source told the bbc that the document has been agreed at a technical level by officials from both sides. after intensive talks this week. the next step is for it to be discussed by the cabinet at a meeting early on wednesday afternoon. well the news came just as mps wrapped up a debate on whether legal advice relating to the negotiations should be made public. the call had come from labor, the shadow brexit secretary explained what he wanted. the publication of the final advice provided by the attorney—general to the cabinet concerning the terms of early withdrawal agreement. this be made available to all mps, all mps, and thirdly that they should be made available after any withdrawal agreement is reached with the eu.
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but in good time to allow proper consideration before mps are asked to vote on the deal. he explained it was information that should be put before mps because of the unprecedented nature of the brexit talks. this is complex both legally and technically, and of huge importance across the united kingdom. this is notjust another boat. and as i will set out, successive governments have waived the convention against nondisclosure in exceptional circumstances, and these are clearly exceptional circumstances. as the honourable gentleman himself acknowledged, the proposed withdrawal agreement as it's referred to in today's motion, has not been finalized, there's a light to negotiation still ongoing in brussels, and the government consistently said mr speaker, that we will not provide a running commentary on a negotiating
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position, it's a cardinal principle of our system of government, that ministers and officials need to be able to prepare their british negotiating position in private. after all mr speaker, the european commission does not show its hand negotiations, nor does it publish the legal advice underpinning its position on life negotiating issues and i don't believe the government of the united kingdom should be expected to do so either. but, he did have a confession. we will make available to all members of the house following the conclusion of negotiations and ahead of the meaningful vote, a full reason position statement being out the government both political and also legal position on the proposed withdrawal agreement and that includes any protocols that may be attached to it. in addition, my right honourable and learned friend the attorney—general has authorized me to confirm to the house this afternoon that he is ready to assist further by making an oral statement to the house and take questions from members of the house in the normal way. can he confirm today that the people
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will not be kept in the dark by the british government as to the exact legal consequences to the belfast good friday agreement? of any negotiator deal by the british government in good time before we have to vote on this deal quick i'm very happy to give that assurance... that calls for the legal advice to be released. if my response ability and responsibility of all of us to make sure that the brexit is least damaging as possible. and i know that some on the government benches will be concerned about setting a dangerous precedent. can i remind them, the government's mantra for months now has been that this has been an unprecedented degradation
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and up residence does not apply. at the end of the debate, government mps did not take part in the vote. the question is as on the order paper. as many of our that opinion as many as are of the opinion, say "aye".. on the contrary know. i think the aye have it, the aye have it. a labour mp raised a point of order with john, the speaker. thank you mr speaker, and our speaker is in nonlawyer, thank you confirm that this is a government that does not vote 20 think it's going to lose. but nevertheless it has a duty to honor the motion that has gone through this house because it's not
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just an expression of an opposition‘s feel, it is effective. john bercow said the motion had been approved by the house without the sent adding that it was notjust an expression of opinion, but the will of the house that certain documents should be provided to it. staying with brexit, access the information described as the lifeblood of the uk borderforce will be reduced if the uk views the eu without an agreement. that was the warning giving to the home affairs committee by the top civil servant at the home office. the mps were told there were no contingency plans to calling the army to boost security at ports and airports in the event of a no—deal brexit. questioning began with a focus on the impact that a no deal exit would on access to sharing information to them or assist by a database used by eu countries for law enforcement and border security. do you have clarity yet about what the reduction in security
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information you will have will be at the border as a result for example of losing other european data bases? if we were in a no deal situation and then we foresee that there would be a reduction in the information that is available at the border, and that is because while we would expect to use alternative instruments we would not expect those to be able to provide the same amount of information as quickly as the existing eu instruments, certainly not to begin with. how many times a day or how many times a week or a month the border force uses this database? i don't have that information to share with the committee because it sensitive operation information and i'm not able i'm sorry,
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but i'm not able to go any further into the detail of what effect the alternative instruments would have. there would be an effect but i can go into the detail. the cheers that the police, borderforce and immigration access the database 1.4 million times a day. why can't you tell us what proportion that one point per million is for the borderforce? so, the advice i've had is that i cannot go any further in giving you operational information because as you will understand, while there are... 1.4 million. we do not want to give any criminals or other adversaries any advantage. if there is no deal, there will be a reduction security at the border and a reduction in immigration enforcement. yes, there will be a reduction in no deal in the information that is available to law enforcement and border security. and a reduction in public safety as a result of that. so, information is the lifeblood of border security and law enforcement, it's a vital
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resource, so any reduction is to be deeply regretted, there will be an effect, however, to reassure you, and to reassure the public, we in the context of our no deal planning are doing everything we can to try to mitigate this effect, both through the expectation and development of alternatives, and by looking at how operation for example at the border we can mitigate the effective losing information by deploying more staff, adopted different approaches to checks and such. have you been in direct contact with the army about the board they can provide? no, i have not been in direct contact with the army, we do have discussions with the ministry of defense. have your officials been discussing this? of course. however, to be clear, we are not expecting to deploy, it is not part of our contingency planning to deploy the armed forces. is there training ongoing?
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it's not part of our contingency planning. is there training ongoing? we are not planning on the basis of deploying. you prepare and train for the deployment of the armed forces a the border for other circumstances, and that goes on on a regular basis because i've seen it myself, you're telling me you have not prepared to implement what could be a testing and difficult situation and the ministers themselves have said the army is preparing to be available to use in both situations. i can only tell you what is in our plan. which in our no deal plan for the border do not focus or feature the government of the armed forces. sir philip, the top civil servant at the home office. you are watching to in parliament, with me unless you might argue.
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don't forget you can see our round—up of what's been happening westminster every weeknight at 11, or weekday mornings on bbc parliament. now it's only a couple of weeks and the chancellor philip hammond delivered his budget, with the pace of life westminster at the moment he might be forgiven for thinking it was months ago. the chancellor confirm the end of us but downgraded growth forecast for 2018. he confirms an extra 20 billion for the nhs over the next five years, and more money for schools and potholes. now by convention, peers don't get the boat on the plans, but that's not to say that they don't have a view, and so more than 30 of them spent tuesday afternoon discussing what had been put
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forward. back injune, we welcome the announcement of additional funding, £20 billion for the nhs which is repeated in this budget. but it's now clear that other public services will pay the price. they did a public service pending outside health is 19% lower than in 2010, 2011 and between now and 23, 24. the chancellor scattered as we heard some crumbs for schools with a minimaljoy this might have given schools was banished by that throwaway line, a few extras. because that line indicated just how little the government graft the financial plight that our schools are in. and how little the government actually understands that they're not looking for treats, they are looking for money to pay their teachers. a conservative said it was pleasing to see a cross party consensus that adult social care was in desperate need of support. the additionalfunding of £240 million for winter pressures is welcome. it will allow councils to better plan
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their services. although vitally important, this funding will only address some of the short—term pressures facing adult social care. that is why a sustainable funding model is now long overdue. the one thing i learned from 30 years of the treasury is that when the forecast gives you a fiscal windfall, it important to spend all of that windfall. as the german of the office of budget three one divinity has said what the sofa gives, the soap that can easily take away. but spending is what the government has chosen to do. when the long predicted demographic time bomb finally arrives, fiscal principles is just britain should have followed germany but for the example and reviews the national debt now, the better for future generations to shoulder the burden when spending pressures increase. to use the phrase much beloved by a previous prime minister, we should be fixing the roof while the sun is shining. and if there is an economic downturn, the probability of which
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increases with each year of growth, the government is going to need all the firepower available to support economic activity. if the debt level is still over 80% and rising its room for maneuver will be pitifully small. it conservative also looked at the big picture and the uk's productivity. let's not kid ourselves, productivity in the uk is also low due to the cheap labor we had for many years. and this will change after brexit and hopefully wages rise, not a bad thing. business with as a result invest in al and labor efficiencies. my lord, i have been in many factories were migrant labor is predominant and were dedicated hard—working, wonderful people give their best but perform very low menial tasks which should and must be mechanized to improve productivity as we currently define it on output per hour basis.
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let's not kid ourselves. productivity in the uk is also the cheap labour we have had for many years. this will change after brexit hopefully wages rise. now, is social media as bad for you and your children as sugar? the health secretary had suggested it poses as big a threat to mental health as sugar does to physical health. the chief medical officer, professor dame sally davis is now drawing of guidance to help parents protect their children from online harm. mps on the science and technology committee have been trying to find out the thinking behind the plans as part of their inquiry into the impact of social media and screen time on young people public mental health. the comparison with sugar is a good one because sugar is not universally bad. we know, we do need some of it and equally... we do have evidence of what the risks are, what's the evidence of the impact of social media on mental health? the evidence at the
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moment is anecdotal in truth, so the chief medical officer is undertaking a review and that's a review of all the international business that's been collated. she's also commissioning additional research from there and we are expecting her to report on that in december of this year. so that will actually build us a stronger evidence base with which to draw some conclusions from. he was putting a marker down because we know that social media can be a force for good, we also know that people can access content that's bad for them online, which is obviously a force for bad. also we're seeing emerging evidence that guidelines around 66 the extensive use and how people use it can obviously have an impact on people's health.
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the minister said the guidance would show how people can protect their children. is there a length of time using social media in the course of the day or week or so? absolutely. some of the figures we are seeing on the face and so if i look at 90% of children eight to 11 go online for nearly 13 and a half hours a week. when it gets 12 to 15, it is 21 hours a week. the extent to which that is potentially harmful rather depends on what they're doing on there and frankly, if they're using it to research and do their homework, that's one thing, if it's online gaming, which is very aggressive and stimulating, that's quite another. the time spent online money to be broken down. the mps said they've been told by children they were concerned by internet content that led to cyber bullying. what do you think social media companies could do to improve that
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situation, and take bullying content off quickly? and what do you think the government could do in this area? i think the social media companies could do a lot more. i think they're being very slow in this area and i have no doubt that it's the stick of regulation that has focused them to do more, in truth. the health minister. now to the tale of the fastest man you probably have never heard of. an raf aircraft technician from south wales who held the british marathon record for 33 years until mo farah beat that earlier this year. he won marathons in london new york and chicago but according to his mp, like many local sporting euros, stevejones has never had the recognition he deserved. the unusual thing about steve is
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that he is a world—class record breaking athlete, who hardly anyone knows about. steve is one of the most successful long—distance runners ever produced in our country. despite his multiple achievements, many people know very little about this british athletics hero. the new sports minister said local heroes should be celebrated. i think a statute for steve would be the only time he would be seen standing still. looking back to those days, i think marathons in london, new york and toronto and those are places i have gone to run, the marathons and the contributions to it by british athletics should be celebrated by this chamber and i am very pleased to do that. also important to remember what got steve are running. so opportunities like park run—through being able to support people getting out into
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the trainers, i absolutely think we should be celebrating him. now conservative mps have called for an off—road traveller sites to be made illegal. andrew also called for councils to convert caravan sites into housing to provide temporary stopping sites for schooling to be provided to traveller children and to teach gypsy and traveller culture and heritage and lessons. he said unauthorised sites were often not plumbed in to provide proper drinking water. and sometimes tapped into neighbours' supplies, adding that in a large number of sites there's no proper sewage system, and he said current traveller law was not working. a growing number of residents have written to me recently to say they are now moving out of my area because they no longer feel safe and because they have been repeated victims of crime including physical assault, theft from their homes and vehicles especially vans, and trespassing around the home.
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shopkeepers businesses, pubs, as well as individuals and families are regularly raising these concerns with me. many local farmers and rural businesses live in constant fear, but that fear is also experienced by many people in neighbouring towns as well. traveller ponies are let loose over other people's property, and levels of fly tipping are high. now, mr speaker, i would not claim for one moment that these types of crimes are committed by one section of the community of loan. of course not. there is good and bad in every group across the whole of our society. but i would not be being honest if i did not point out the considerable amount of police activity expended in relation to traveller sites — a number of which are, in effect, ungoverned space, where it is difficult to enforce the rule of law. and he'd been shocked by the standard of accommodation on unauthorised sites.
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the larger sites, there's no proper sewage system with human excrement flowing into local ditches. some sites don't even have proper water supplies and in some cases, neighbouring settled residents have lost their supply of water when it has been illegally tapped into. as well as making unauthorised sites illegal, his bill would allow current size to be converted into settled accommodation and require some local authorities to have temporary sites where rent and a deposit was paid. it's a balanced, humane package, which would end the misery that so many settled communities endure at the moment, and deliver better outcomes for travellers themselves. he won the right to take his bill forward but without government backing, it won't become law. a welsh mp has completed that an mp made disparaging remarks about his accent in the house of commons. jonathan edwards raised the issue with the speaker and explained what had happened. during the debate on the second reading of the bill yesterday,
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it was brought to my attention that a member of the house, rather than engage with the substance of the issue, chose to make disparaging remarks about my accent. this is the not first incident of this kind in this place, there was an incident a few weeks ago involving a scottish member of parliament. this house is meant to be representative of all the nations of the british state and this only reinforces the privileged and perception of westminster politics. mocking an accent undermines an individual or groups identity. of that to secure vices to whether this behaviour, that of a member mocking accent of a member isn't befitting
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of this place, and put on record that i'm proud to be welsh and of my accent. he had been right to raise the issue. personal mockery of one another and in all shapes and sizes of the wide diversity of excellence and ways of speaking is wrong and to many people, it constitutes a form of bullying. i am the last person to do aggregate don't make good humour. i myself have caused offence by my extraordinarily effective mimicry. for which i apologise. i have been known to seek to imitate the father of the house, the member for rush cliff, who has been a friend of mine for well over 20 years. that's the conservative mp ken clarke, but he insisted it had always been done in a friendly way. but the speaker accepted times had changed. i think it is a safe rule of thumb that people should not mimic other people. let's debate the issues, play the ball rather than the man or the woman. and very specifically, belittling mockery, which i have had occasion
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the past to raise with the powers that be in relation to particular members, is not acceptable. the honourable gentleman is absolutely right about this and i hope it will not be necessary for the issues to be raised again or for me to have to repeat what i have in good conscience just said to the honourable gentleman and to the house. that's it from us for now, but do join me on wednesday night at 11pm for a roundup of what promises to be a busy day here at westminster, as theresa may faces mps for prime minister's questions and holds that all important cabinet meeting to discuss that possible brexit agreement. but for now, from me, goodbye. hello.
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after the heavy, blustery showers many of us saw to start the new week, tuesday delivered us something much drier, with a good deal of sunshine. this was the scene on the north yorkshire coast during tuesday afternoon, and a very similar picture in perth and kinross. but we already have changes afoot to the western side of the uk. outbreaks of rain will continue to work their way north and eastwards through wednesday morning, courtesy of this frontal system. notice the squeeze in the isobars. some windy conditions as well. quite a wet start to wednesday across northern ireland, north wales, north—west england, and the western side of scotland. not just wet, but windy as well. let's take a look at nine o'clock in the morning in closer detail. much of england and wales, away from the far north—west, will be mainly dry, some bright or sunny spells, but these black wind symbols give an indication of the wind gusts through wednesday morning. so quite widely touching 40 to 50 miles an hour for western coasts, and some heavy and persistent rain across northern ireland, and southern and western scotland. warnings in place here. through wednesday, that rain will be slowly pulling away north and eastwards, so slowly turning drier across northern ireland,
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north—west england, central and southern scotland. eventually that rain clears away from the highlands and by the afternoon, most places becoming dry. some spells of sunshine and very mild, 15 or 16 celsius, particularly for the eastern side of scotland, given any sunshine and some help from the foehn effect. now, through wednesday evening, we'll see some lingering cloud aross parts of scotland. —— across. further outbreaks of rain arriving into the far west of northern ireland, and perhaps later in the night, across the western isles of scotland. elsewhere, it's dry. a mixture of variable cloud and clear spells, but could see some mist and low cloud developing as the night wears on. a little bit cooler where we keep clearer skies, temperatures down to four or five celsius. holding up to double figures where we keep the cloud. but it's mild air which continues to flow across the uk as we go into thursday. it'll be a mainly dry day for most. there will still be this front fringing the far west of scotland and northern ireland.
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more cloud here and some outbreaks of rain. still quite a breezy day. mist and low cloud quite stubborn to clear in places so some may have a fairly gloomy day, but where it does thin and break, we'll see some good spells of sunshine and again, temperatures in the midteens, 13 to 16 celsius. looking ahead towards the end of the week, we've got an area of high pressure keeping things fairly settled and keeping fronts in the atlantic at bay, so heading through friday and into the weekend, most will be dry. however, with lighter winds, we're likely to see some mist and fog and that may linger at times, and temperatures just starting to slide away through saturday. bye— bye. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. i'm mike embley. our top stories: a draft agreement on brexit, but will it get through the british cabinet and parliament? the deadliest wildfires in california's history, at least 50 dead and thousands of homes destroyed. after the heaviest exchanges in years, the un security council is set to discuss the situation in the gaza strip and israel. for the third year in a row, a surge in reported hate crimes in the united states. and we have a special report from egypt where a new law, supposed to counter fake news,
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