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hello, you're watching afternoon live, i'm simon mccoy. today at 2: theresa may under pressure after a string of ministerial resignations over her brexit deal. the brexit secretary, dominic raab has gone, as well as the work and pensions secretary, esther mcvey. this was amid speculation over a leadership challenge. she needs a brexit secretary that will precede the deal she wants to be to the country. with conviction, i don't think i can do that. i respect her and held it in high esteem, but i think we need to change course on brexit. the prime minister faces criticism from all sides in parliament as she warns that voting against the deal would put the country "back to square one". it would mean more uncertainty, more division, and a failure to deliver oi'i division, and a failure to deliver on the division of the british people that we should leave the eu. if we get behind a deal, we can bring our country back together and seize the opportunities that lie ahead. but labour says the deal is "not what the country was promised" and the government "is falling apart". the government is in chaos. there
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are deal risks leaving the country in an indefinite halfway house without a real say. in the last few minutes, the conservative mp and prominent brexiteer, jacob rees—mogg, calls for the prime minister to stand down, saying she has not honoured her promises to the nation. iam i am live in westminster. in the last half an hour, jacob rees—mogg has submitted a letter of no confidence in theresa may's leadership, saying her draft brexit‘s deal turned out to be worse unexpected. it comes after a morning of the dramatic events here at westminster, where theresa may's d raft
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westminster, where theresa may's draft brexit deal provoked the resignation of two ministers. dominic raab quit, saying the agreement with the eu had fatal flaws and threaten the integrity of the uk. he was followed shortly afterwards by esther mcvey, and several ministers who does resign. mrs mae defended her deal in the commons and medicine of criticism from all sides of the house. she hadn't resigned, but she has now. esther mcvey became the second cabinet minister to walk out over the brexit divorce deal. she followed the man in charge of the brexit talks out of government. dominic raab, now the second brexit secretary to quit the job, saying he couldn't support what was now on the table. the terms proposed to the cabinet yesterday had two major and fatal flaws. the first was that the time is being offered by the utrecht in the integrity of the uk and the second is that they would lead to
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indefinite, if not permanent situation, where we are locked into a regime with no say on the rules and laws being applied, with no exit mechanism. that would be damaging for the economy, but devastating for public trust in our democracy. there we re public trust in our democracy. there were more resignations, some are a major blow for theresa may and her preferred brexit agreement which she thought her top team had signed off last night. in the commons this morning, she was forced to defend her strategy with a plea to the house tobacco. i know it has been a frustrating process, it has forced us frustrating process, it has forced us to confront very difficult issues. but a good brexit, a brexit in the national interest, is possible. we have persevered and have made a decisive breakthrough. once a final deal is agreed, i will bring it to parliament and i will ask mps to consider the national interest and give it their backing. voting... booing voting against a deal would take us
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back to square one. people around the country will be feeling anxious this morning about the industries they work in, the jobs they hold, about the stability of their communities and their country. the government must now withdraw this half baked a deal, which is clear that does not have the backing of the cabinet, this parliament, or the country as a whole. here in westminster, the numbers are against the prime minister, with presumed allies and opponents during up to criticise. i could stand here and ta ke criticise. i could stand here and take the prime minister through the list of promises and pledges that she made to this house and to us, privately, about the future of northern ireland and the future relationship with the eu. but i fear it would be a waste of time, since she clearly does not listen. the prime minister comes before us today, trying to sell a deal that is
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already dead in the water. over 80 tory backbenchers, 84 now, and it is going up by the hour, will vote against it. it is therefore mathematically impossible to get this deal through the house of commons. theresa may has withstood cabinet resignations before, and she is now standing firm in a number ten and behind her brexit‘s deal, convinced that when it comes to it, parliament will be on her side. but the threat to her leadership and strategy is real, and it could still all come crashing down. the leading eurosceptic, jacob rees—mogg, has admitted a letter in no confidence in the prime minister, but he will not logically. he says the deal is unacceptable. it is using the proper procedures of the conservative party when the policy that has come forward does not meet what we promised our voters. the conservative party referendum, on which almost all mps stood, said
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specifically that we would leave the customs union. it did not have any small print saying, unless we decide to have a backstop it is a permanent customs union that is harder to leave than leaving the eu under article 50. i think a coup is when you use legitimate procedure is to try and overturn somebody who is in office. this is working through the procedures of the conservative party, therefore it is entirely constitutional and dare i say that coup is the wrong word. in the ball inaudible what has been achieved today is not brexit. the law to leave has already been passed. the withdrawal act is through, but what we need is a leader who will say to the european union, it is impossible to divide up the united kingdom, it is impossible to agree to a situation where we
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have a perpetual customs union. it is impossible to pay £39 billion of taxpayers money for a few promises, which is meant to be £39 billion for an implementation as a deal. it is impossible for us to allow the continuing jurisdiction of the european court of justice. continuing jurisdiction of the european court ofjustice. but the problem is that the negotiations have given away on all the key points. let's go to our chief political correspondence mac, she is inside... no, she is outside the commons! there was the prime minister this morning try to tough it out, how is that going? it is an incredibly difficult day, of course it is. she has lost two cabinet ministers, she has not had an awful lot of support in the house of commons, she took questions from three hours in there about the deal that she thinks is the right deal for her country. the message is
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clear that this is in the national interest, it delivers on the referendum result and you have to make compromises, you can't get everything you want. after that, we had the meeting of brexiteer conservative mps, jacob rees—mogg, as we heard, one of the leading members of that group, the leader, saying he has now lost confidence in the prime minister, he has put in a letter which means that if 48 operating, it triggers a confidence vote. let's says all of this with a foreign office minister, who has seen this many times before, i would say. what do you make about what jacob rees—mogg has said? this is not brexit and tina blogger has confidence in the prime minister. not brexit and tina blogger has confidence in the prime ministerlj was sorry to watch his press conference. on was sorry to watch his press conference. on one was sorry to watch his press conference. on one level, it was absurd, but on another level, it was deeply destructive. without any kind of constructive purpose. if he thinks that anyone can do better, he has yet to outline how. if you think
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there is a better deal, he has yet to outline how. if he what he wants isa to outline how. if he what he wants is a known deal —— no deal, he should say so, so that we know what we are dealing with with him and those he is working with. the problem theresa may houses not be just the brexit wing of the party, there are others who are on the remain side, likejo there are others who are on the remain side, like jo johnson, there are others who are on the remain side, likejojohnson, but it does not seem like she has the numbers in the house of commons to get the version through.|j numbers in the house of commons to get the version through. i agree, it will be very difficult. it is a pity that the attacks are coming from both sides. but i really think this is an historic moment where everyone in the conservative party and in the government has too look at the strategic significance of the decisions we are making and within the decision they might take. if this government is undermined further, we could destroy the government, we could significantly damage and even destroy the conservative party, all of which would be happening in the middle of
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an unconsidered set of brexit negotiations. this could lead us to being almost ungovernable for a bit, it would please nobody. so we have a massive response bertie to exercise out massive response bertie to exercise ourjudgment ina massive response bertie to exercise ourjudgment in a climate of what has to be copper mines. those who are ideological wedded, a has to be copper mines. those who are ideologicalwedded, a pure version this where that way, they are not doing to get it, because it is not an offer. so no one marked this out during the referendum campaign, and they certainly didn't say that a no—deal brexit would be the outcome, or what that would involve. so we have two knuckle underand in my involve. so we have two knuckle under and in my view, involve. so we have two knuckle underand in my view, like involve. so we have two knuckle under and in my view, like the prime minister 100%. is under and in my view, like the prime minister100%. is a nodal brexit under and in my view, like the prime minister 100%. is a nodal brexit a possibility? if we don't have a deal in place, it is a no—deal brexit.|j lot of people around jacob rees—mogg, borisjohnson lot of people around jacob rees—mogg, boris johnson for example, actually want a no—deal
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brexit. that is secretly what they are trying to orchestrate. in my view, that would be very damaging. their thinking is bubbly that if they can block this proposed deal, then, march next year, we would be at by default with no deal at all. they must also allow for the fact that if this emerges, then maybe a counter reaction will occur politically, creating a different sort of clash and mass. how would you do that? how do you have an alternative to that? the only way pollard can seize control is to back the prime minister and vote for her deal. —— the parliament can seize control. that is why every single memberof control. that is why every single member of parliament house to think strategically and apply it judgment and conscience to this, i think, the greatest historical decision that in
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26 years of the parliament, i have seen as having to address. if there isa seen as having to address. if there is a leadership, edition, do you think theresa may should fight that? i think she would win if that were to happen. let's look at the strategic alternatives, if, for any reason, she does not remain as leader and prime minister, anyone who thinks they can just step in and firstly, do a betterjob and secondly, even form a government, has to do some deep, deep thinking. thank you very much. we will see as the game is on if there are more letters put in there. but either way, the numbers in the house of commons looking very tricky for the prime minister, and she needs people to back her deal to get her through this. thank you. i am nowjoined by the health minister and the labour mp. steve, first of all, the prime minister, how much trouble is she in right now? she has rolled the dice.
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you can't deliver on brexit, 40 yea rs you can't deliver on brexit, 40 years membership, i! you can't deliver on brexit, 40 years membership, 11 years to negotiate our way in, the prime minister has had to roll the dice, she rolled it with chequers, but she has had to negotiate an incredibly difficult situation with the eu, and now she has the draft and little agreement and she has a response to it. you would expect her to get a response to it, but this is a matter of interpretation. you listen to jacob saying he wants to put in a letter and he doesn't want the prime minister to be the leader any more, because his vision of brexit, and dominic raab citizen, they cannot reconcile it with their vision of brexit. their vision is out at any cost, cut the ties, like a divorced couple who never talk again... you can't compare those two though, can you? the resignation of a second brexit secretary surely greater problem with mike the view is that we wa nt problem with mike the view is that we want out and they want to cut the
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ties... that is not the view of ministers like me, sensible people in the conservative party who are still running the conservative party. theresa may, that is not heavy. she views that it was a close result in the referendum, she has to try and bring the country back together as a prime minister. so she has negotiated a deal which protects jobs, which protects the integrity of the uk, and that is what she is about. this is a battle for the soul, if you like, butjacob has his view. but how money people were flanking jacob rees—mogg? his press officer was deciding who was taking questions, i didn't see a swathe of people around him. so it is... isn't that wishful thinking? hasn't he just opened the gates? he may have, and i'm sure that his intention. but alan duncan was just saying that they can do that. she will fight and i think that she will win. i will
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support her, because she is bringing together a set of proposals that have... she said in the house of commons, they have the national interest at heart. jacob says it's not about to jacob, but pull the other one. no where are we in terms of the labour party? we are all confused about what is that you want. it is rare moment as clarity and unity from the labour party. it doesn't meet the six tests, it is not in the national interest, it is a bad deal and significant it worse than what we can't have. i agree with steve, the prime minister has been resilient in trying to bring this to the country, but what we are witnessing is a government sinking under the impossible weight of an undeliverable brexit. what is vital is that the country doesn't go down with the government. can you then stop brexit? absolutely. i have always believed it can and should be
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stopped. about how? what is the mechanism that using working after this? the first thing that could be doneis this? the first thing that could be done is that we could clearly revoke article 50, the man who wrote it has said explicitly cat that it can be revoked, so we needn't exit next march. that is the first thing. but the most important thing is that the prime minister who is presenting this hope is deal that cannot be agreed in parliament, there is no support for it across parliament, thatis support for it across parliament, that is arithmetically certain, therefore, the most elegant way in which she can exit this with integrity is debated back to the people. she never really believed in brexit, she believes that this is a worse deal than we currently have. so do the honourable thing and put it back to the people. so do the honourable thing and put it back to the peoplelj so do the honourable thing and put it back to the people. i don't agree that it it back to the people. i don't agree thatitis it back to the people. i don't agree that it is an undeliverable brexit, i think that it is an undeliverable brexit, ithink an that it is an undeliverable brexit, i think an undeliverable brexit is a fa ntasyla nd i think an undeliverable brexit is a fa ntasyland that was i think an undeliverable brexit is a fantasyland that was sold during the campaign. ididn't fantasyland that was sold during the campaign. i didn't support brexit, but i accept the result because i am a democrat. it was the biggest
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democratic exercise in our history. i think the government has in its manifesto... they didn't and democracy, but we said it was a referendum and we put it in our ma nifesto referendum and we put it in our manifesto and so did you. what is undeliverable, i think it is quite rich, to set up the sort of fairy tale view of brexit, like the singapore economy on the shores of europe, and every thing will be wonderful outside the eu. because of one wasn't wonderful inside the eu. but then to walk when the alice in wonderland vision cannot be delivered. what is real is what the prime minister has put down and has agreed with the eu. i suspect the summit later this month will also agree and then it is back to us and mps like owen, no deal with this deal. we can vote again, you said, this country is divided, people are watching and frightened about where we are going. wouldn't another vote just make that ten times worse?|j just make that ten times worse?” don't believe that. i think that another vote to try and resolve this might be one of the ways in which we bring people back together. brexit,
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in lots of ways, wasn't he... it was a symptom of divides, a clause, there are deep divide in this country, but what we cannot have is ministers like steve who know in our hearts that this is going to make out hearts that this is going to make our country hearts that this is going to make our country more hearts that this is going to make our country more poor, the deputy prime minister couldn't earlier this week review the charge that the course his government is pursuing is going to make our constituents more pooh going to make our constituents more poor. what an extra ordinary state of affairs that the government will deliberately pursue a policy that they know is not in the interests of out they know is not in the interests of our people. it cannot happen. they know is not in the interests of our people. it cannot happenm took us nine months to legislate for a referendum. what with the question be? what would the threshold be? the question would be, take this deal brought back from brussels by theresa may, or remain in the eu. quite simple... and what do people say in the country about that? cel i will let you to continue.”
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say in the country about that? cel i will let you to continue. i will let you both continue! in contrast to the turmoil and in westminster, in brussels, the eu to vigorously at has handed over the 585 page draft withdrawal agreement to donald tusk. 8am this morning, michel barnier and his negotiating team, taking the first steps in what is meant to be a meticulously choreographed process, to get the withdrawal agreement over the finishing line. he delivered the text agreed with the uk to the eu's 27 remaining member states and donald tusk. almost 600 pages of meticulous detail governing the uk's exit, the eu's great fear, all this could still be rejected. what we have agreed at negotiating level is fairand have agreed at negotiating level is fair and balanced, takes into account the uk's positions,
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organisers the withdrawal in an orderly fashion and ensures no hard border on the island of ireland, and lays the ground for an ambitious new partnership. much of the text has been shaped by what theresa may and the uk have demanded. much, too, by the uk have demanded. much, too, by the eu's own red lines. of course, i don't share the prime minister's enthusiasm about brexit as such. since the beginning, we have had no doubt that brexit is a lose— lose situation and that our negotiations are about damage control. in the coming days —— are about damage control. in the coming days -- in the coming days, the finalisation of future ties are hoped to be arranged. donald tusk said leaders would approve it all. is nothing extraordinary happens, a european council meeting will be held in order to finalise and formalise the brexit agreement. it will take place on sunday, 25th of
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november at will take place on sunday, 25th of novemberat 9:30am. will take place on sunday, 25th of november at 9:30am. even as they stepped off the podium, theresa may's political problems in london where brewing. the eu's member states, too, are reserving their finaljudgment. states, too, are reserving their final judgment. funds‘s finance minister on tv today said he had to check the deal binds the uk to the eu's regulations and standards. austria's chancellor said the aim must be to get a treaty agreed, everything else would mean the danger of a brexit with no deal, we have to avoid this, he said. now, brussels has a text, but no clarity. the eu will press ahead, seeking to finalise it all, but with no certainty. let's speak to our brussels
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reporter. as here, everybody wants clarity and in the last few hours, that has gone very moment. the eu's view on this is that they have gone as far as they can go, they have bent lots of rules and spotted lots of room for manoeuvre to deliver the best draft brexit withdrawal agreement, the divorce treaty, that they can. the idea that political turmoil back in the uk could somehow lead to this document being rewritten in the next few days, definitely not going to happen. however, when you ask them, are you worried about what is happening in the uk? this trip to the same script, saying that the agreement has been done at negotiating level, it is now in the ratification process on the eu side and on the british side. the watchword is responsibility. one eu official this morning said that if the british tyra nt morning said that if the british tyrant or a member state wants to change their minds about what is written down in the text, they are within their rights to do that, but it will have an impact on the whole process , it will have an impact on the whole
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process, and they have to accept the responsibility for that. having said that, lots of officials and diplomats from member states by trying to get the gossip about what is happening in westminster.m trying to get the gossip about what is happening in westminster. if you hear anything, let us know! there are hear anything, let us know! there a re lots of hear anything, let us know! there are lots of rumours about who would replace dominic raab, but that will bea replace dominic raab, but that will be a crucial position in the coming days, particularly where you are. i'm not sure actually, because now that the deal document is kind of done, and it will be endorsed by eu leaders in a couple of... well, in less tha n leaders in a couple of... well, in less than a couple of weeks, one week on sunday, i think that a future brexit secretary's job is going to be steering the deal through westminster, rather than negotiating here. theirfocus will be on getting the meaningful vote, where mps give their consent to the package, then getting the withdrawal agreement written into british law, because there there is lots of the withdrawal deal that has to be tied into domestic legislation, then getting the treaty ratified as an international agreement. so i have a
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feeling that the brexit secretary won't be spending a lot of time in brussels, they will be spending a lot of time in westminster. having said that, there was one last big thing in the divorce agreement, it turns out, that has to be negotiated by the time eu leaders meet. it comes down to the extension of the transition or implementation phase, that currently is slated to end in december 2020. there was a clause in the draft treaty saying it could be extended one time only by mutual agreement, it then has a date that is the digits, 20 and then xx. the xx will have to be filled in by a date by the time eu leaders meet. i wonder if there will be a row and fight between the uk and eu about when the extended transition period could come to an end. adam, all you had to say was simon, you are wrong. you've done it before you, you could
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have done it then! we appreciate your answer. let's pick up on what is happening in westminster. this is a remarkable day, where do you think we are right now? i think we are heading towards a constitutional crisis. we have got ten days until we they ratify this deal on the 25th. there will be a leadership challenge i suspect against theresa may in that period. so whether she remains prime minister, we are not clear. what is clear is that she can't get this deal through parliament. my view is that politics is stuck, it will remain stuck here in westminster for is stuck, it will remain stuck here in westminsterfor some is stuck, it will remain stuck here in westminster for some time. the only way out of this is to somehow go back to the people. peter, you put your letter in some time ago. what are you hoping this process within your party is going to show in the next few days? i have all those wanted the policy to change, not necessarily the prime minister. but when she went to change the policy, the only way to change the policy, the only way to change the policy is to change the prime
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minister. we probably agree that the brexit agreement put forward is unacceptable. it seems to me what will happen is that they will vote down the agreement and by the aft apartment apartment has passed, we will come out on the 29th of march with wto rules. some act you think it will get to parliament? nothing would surprise me at the moment, ministers resigning from the cabinet, junior ministers resigning, leading mps saying they are putting letters in, like jacob rees—mogg, i do think there is a likelihood of a leadership challenge and the new leadership challenge and the new leader will take forward the policy. when you listed the options, general election wasn't there a? it is a possibility. the point is, in our constitutional system, if politics is broken and westminster is stuck,
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then usually, there is a general election or on this occasion, there could be a referendum on theresa may's deal, to the public like ideal? that would give the mandate for politicians to fall into line, or do they want to remain in the eu. this house had that's a first. or do they want to remain in the eu. this house had that's a firstm will have the say, but as night follows day, theresa may cut a very lonely figure in the house today. not for the first time, she has been through similar fights before. on this occasion, she lost the dup. labour referred for it, dup where appropriate, the scots went right for it... but if it -- do you think your party will vote against? there is obviously a no—deal brexit, but equally, there will be amendments to this deal and part of the amendment could be to go back to the british people and say, do you like this deal? when you seek democracy again,
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then the politicians have to fall into line, that's what happens. peter, the worry is that we are a divided country now, and any future vote could divide us even further and more strongly? the whole point of the referendum in 2016 was to make a decision, will be leave the eu or stay in? because we had a divided nation. there was a insignificant majority from leaving the eu, that is what the government should have delivered. unfortunately, the draft agreement does not deliver that that is why we have a problem. what do you say to your constituents, they are frightened about what is going on, they have never known such a grave uncertainty like this?” they have never known such a grave uncertainty like this? i go out every saturday and not basing one of them has said that. they might now! they are saying, in a sake, go on and deliver the brexit. we don't understand what you are doing. we voted to leave, get on with it and leave. a lot of remain voters say
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the same, they say, for goodness' sake, peter, just do it.” the same, they say, for goodness' sake, peter, just do it. i don't recognise that. we are in a muddle here, it is undeliverable, she has tried her best, she really has. but she was handed a sticky wicket in the first place and in the end, the only way out of this is a general election or a people's vote on her deal. thank you forjoining us. we will be talking about this again, for sure. we will be back in a few minutes from westminster, but first, the weather. still pretty mild at the moment, but it will turn much colder over the next few days full stop first, let's enjoy this picture in cumbria, barely a cloud in the sky. lots of sunshine in northern ireland, eastern scotland, and midlands. in the sunshine, with the wind coming from spain and north africa, it is very mild. temperatures up to 17 degrees in the north of scotland.
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the one surges into the arctic, the arctic retaliates by dumping cold air into northern europe, and optimally, towards the middle of next week, it will find its way into the uk. averages will get much lower. colder weather is on the web. for the time being, we have quite a bit of sunshine, from the midlands in eastern scotland. the strap of cloud in the west is a weather front which will bring outbreaks of rain, quite heavy freight time, in northern ireland and into western scotland. for the south of england, we still have quite a bit of cloud. it is relatively thin, but it is going nowhere fast. the best of the sunshine for wales, luminance, going nowhere fast. the best of the sunshine forwales, luminance, and northern and eastern england and scotland. wherever you are, it is mild. in the war mist spots in the highlands of scotland, temperatures are up to 17 degrees. 12—15 elsewhere. overnight tonight, the weather front clears in northern ireland, this is it here, there is
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barely any rain left on it, but there might be some drizzle potentially over the hills in the borders. generally, scotland and northern ireland, the skies were clear and it will get quite cold. some frost in the countryside, england and wales, a lot of cloud. mist and fog to start friday. friday isa mist and fog to start friday. friday is a more cloudy day, it will drift further northwards, so for most of us, a drive at cloudy day. there will be some breaks and some sunshine, the best of this across northern scotland, perhaps some brighter spells across the western coast of england and wells. and bridges are still miles, but not quite as high as today. into the weekend, high pressure begins to shift and move northwards into scandinavia, that will start to change the wind direction and we get an easterly wind blowing in. they will drop the temperatures this weekend, so there will be a lot of dry weather and sunshine as well. next week, the cold air hits and we will look at temperatures are around
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six or 7 degrees, for some of us in the middle of next week. it will get much colder, so enjoy the mild weather as it lasts. theresa may under pressure over her brexit deal after a string of resignations. dominic raab and esther mcvey have both gone. she needed brexit secretary that will pursue the deal that you want to put to the country with conviction, in good conscience i cannot do that. i respect and hold her in high esteem. i think she should continue but we need to change course. the prime minister faces criticism from all sides in parliament as she wants the deal put through. it would mean more uncertainty and a division and hiwula to put through the decision of the british people and we have to leave the eu. every get behind the deal we can get our country back together and seize the opportunities that lie ahead. the labour party has said the deal is not what the country promised and says the government is falling apart. the
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government, mr speaker is in chaos. the deal risks leaving the country on an indefinite half way house without a real say. the conservative mp and prominent brexiteerjacob rees—mogg course of the prime minister to stand down, saying she has not honoured for promises to the nation. well, jacob rees—mogg handing in his letter short time ago. i would like to show you a treat from another tory mp who has stood down. this is from henry smith, mpfor stood down. this is from henry smith, mp for crawley. there is this letter of resignation. framed nicely with the brexit document, which he saysis with the brexit document, which he says is the reason he is standing down. my letter of no confidence in the prime minister, he has treated a picture of that alongside the announced that he is quitting. let us announced that he is quitting. let us pick up on the followed from what has been going on here in
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westminster. frances o'grady, general secretary the tucjoins me. ifi general secretary the tucjoins me. if i was talking to business leaders just the, there was a sense of gosh, we might be making progress. how do you feel now? the government is spiralling out of control, mps are being asked to sign up to a deal that they do not know the destination of, wearing a blindfold. asa destination of, wearing a blindfold. as a trade unionist there is no way i could do that and i cannot see any working people in this country being prepared to sign up to what is a bad dealfor jobs and the bad dealfor work. what is the option, where are beheaded? we need an alternative, i would a lwa ys we need an alternative, i would always say as a negotiator that the deal has to go back to our members. i think people should have the final say, other that is through a general election or a popular vote, people's vote, one way or another, people
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deserve the final say because it is their livelihoods and work that is on the line. what is the question you put on the people then? i'm not going to pretend that that is an easy a nswer going to pretend that that is an easy answer about what i do suggest is that it is something that parliament would have to look at along with the electoral commission, but i do think that people have an appetite to have the final say on this deal. they have lost trust in the politicians to deliver what they need, which is good jobs in the local committees that will pay a decent wage and protect the rights at work, holiday rights, maternity rights, these are things that really matter to people. you not in an endless circle, you go to the people and they give you an answer, you can't work out how to do it so you return to the people. the people will say, what is the in politics? the reality is that the prime minister cannot get it through her own cabinet never mind parliament, and in the end, it is the people who will have to have the final say. it is our futures that are at stake. u nfortu nately, is our futures that are at stake. unfortunately, throughout this whole process it seems to be about a psychodrama with the new tory party, instead of about the things, which
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way they voted, working people really care about, like jobs and rights at work. haven't the people who voted for brexit been undermined bya who voted for brexit been undermined by a disastrous campaign by those who thought they never wanted this to happen? this was clearly a hard—fought campaign, neither side got a landslide but there was a result. the issue is how we get people together and what i am saying on behalf of the trade unions is, whichever way people voted, they wa nt whichever way people voted, they want thejob whichever way people voted, they want the job is protected and they wa nt want the job is protected and they want guarantees of their rights at work into the future. do you believe parliament you get the opportunity to vote on this deal? clearly, i would assume that will happen, u nless would assume that will happen, unless something else happens and this government falls. but it looks like the votes are not stacking up for mrs may, we need a real alternative. if argument, and it seems to be entered the steel or be followed to the eu on march 29, as a
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business person, can you understand, the certainty of any deal is prefera ble the certainty of any deal is preferable to that? as a trade unionist i would suggest that no mp should be bullied into voting for a deal where they do not know what the end destination is. and, you know, it is not good enough. what we want ourmps it is not good enough. what we want our mps focused upon what is best for working people. everyone is talking about the national interest, let us include working people in that national interest because it is thejobs that national interest because it is the jobs that built up the wealth of this country. our future depends on working people getting a good deal. it isa working people getting a good deal. it is a feeble atmosphere here at westminster, out in the country there is fair, isn't there?” westminster, out in the country there is fair, isn't there? i think so, because i go up and down the country and visit manufacturing forms, even just last week, country and visit manufacturing forms, evenjust last week, and people still do not know even with the publication of this agreement, they still do not know what it means
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for the future, and, you know, we need to get real, this is about the jobs and communities who rely upon those jobs and it would be great if working people were put first for a change, wouldn't it? frances o'grady, from the tuc, thank you for joining us. people waking up to the news of the news of the dominic raab resigning, the first ago, the brexit secretary, that is of course the second one to resign over theresa may's deal and within the hour esther mcvey going as well. more are expected. let us get more on this. we can talk to christopher hope, chief political correspondent for the daily telegraph and the chief correspondent at the mirror. thank you both forjoining us. have you never known an answer like this? you both forjoining us. have you never known an answer like thi57m reminds me ofjune 2016. the
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aftermath of the referendum. michael gove was knifing borisjohnsonjust before he was about to stand for the leadership. chaos ensued sudan theresa may was the last one standing, it is like that all over again. people remember the last days of margaret thatcher and it has that kind ofairto of margaret thatcher and it has that kind of air to it as well. there could be a seventh member of the government to go, former ministers, two private secretary so far. other ministers are being challenged to resign, more letters might go in, it is very fluid. penny mordaunt, brexit secretary? perhaps, we are not sure if michael gove will accept her resignation. it is interesting to see what happens. we keep hearing more and more the calls for the people's vote. you think they stand on that? i do not think that is a majority for a second referendum
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either in the house or in the country. if you did that, you could end up any situation where you come back exactly where we are. if it was a majority of 4%, 52, 48, say that was in favour of remain, do we have another referendum? i do not think anyone really believe there will be anyone really believe there will be a second referendum. where are, what are the options? we are leaving, i think, march 29 mixture. do we leave with the deal not? jacob rees—mogg was questioning how many votes she would need. if more than 100 mps vote against, as there is an election, she might stand down, but she might cling on, she hasjust spoken for three hours in the commons. the place was falling down around her but she remained. answering every question from every mp, you have to admire her resilience and her indefatigability.
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she is quite strongly person. but she is coming towards the end of time, i think. she she is coming towards the end of time, ithink. she has she is coming towards the end of time, i think. she has thrown the dice and clearly she will say that she will toss the salad, this is the only deal in town, and the only option is a no deal. she is gone to play on the basis that people do not wa nt play on the basis that people do not want that. that is a brave strategy. as chris says, she is the captain of a ship as it hits the rocks. she is not going to get this through the commons. mark francois, a former defence minister, he set it out and he was not being cruel he is loyal to the prime minister, but he actually said, why can you not acce pt actually said, why can you not accept this, why can you not see the numbers? you cannot get this through. she listens to what he said but it must go through her, she must know deep inside that you cannot get this through the commons. they are hoping that when push comes to shove, the steel orjeremy corbyn, that she will get it through. if
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they get through parliament, she will be saved. but the numbers are stacked up against her. either she changes the terms of video or she has to quit, those are the offers for her. and jeremy corbyn just sits back and watches at the moment? yes, labour has a problem that support and voters of that party were split on brexit. many voted to leave as well and jeremy corbyn is known as a lifelong eurosceptic until he had this conversion when he became leader in 2015 and was forced to be pro—eu. leader in 2015 and was forced to be pro-eu. at the moment i think he just lets it play out. although the attention are on the bits taken off from theresa may, jacob rees—mogg, much fanfare about him putting in his letter. do they have the numbers? on the basis they need 48 but there is another battle to get to the next page. he is not standing, he says, but he is on the
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numbers. at 2pm they do not think they have the 48, the percentage they have the 48, the percentage they need to trigger a vote of no—confidence in theresa may. i am not a betting man but i think by the end of the day they might reach those numbers. yes, i would expect to get them either close of the day. then what happens? they have the initial vote in the commons with theresa may, can she get more than 48 mp5 theresa may, can she get more than 48 mps in favour? if so, she remains. if there are 100 vote against, that is one third the party. she cannot carry on. and in 20 she is out the door. confidence in thejudgment 20 she is out the door. confidence in the judgment thing. to be fair to her, having thrown the dice, it is down to the numbers. she could still down to the numbers. she could still do this. i would not put it past her, she is extraordinary, she keeps on going, and she has a health condition, it does not bother her, she does not talk about it. maximum
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respect for her in the house of commons, all sides of the house. she has been dealt a tough and by the resulta nt has been dealt a tough and by the resultant mach two's election and is doing the best that you can but it will not be enough to win the day, i do not think. but she did not need to do this. the reality one keeps hearing is that she is playing a game of poker but everyone around the site telling you that you cannot play that card or that card and that has been a problem. nobody knows if she believes in brexit, she will not tell you. i think she does not believe in it. the person who buys the policy of the organisation, the government, if they do not believe in it, why would they voted through? that is jacob rees—mogg's opinion, that she is a remainer and cannot see this through. thank you both for the moment. that is the development of the draft agreement signed up to. here is
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chris morris with our reality check. amidst the political turbulence, the d raft amidst the political turbulence, the draft withdrawal agreement remains the same, a serious hefty legal document that sets out the terms in which we leave the european union. if everyone approves it, and that is big cass, it means amongst a host of other things, over time the uk will pay at least £39 billion to the eu to settle all of its financial obligations. it sets out basic rights in the future for eu citizens in the uk and brits elsewhere in europe, protecting their residency and sousa secured the rights, but leaving other questions unanswered. there will be a transition period after brexit, when all the rules will remain the same. that will last until the end of twenty20. it could be extended possibly for up to one year or so. the covers part of the negotiations, it sets the terms of the so—called backstop, the guarantee that there will be no hard in ireland underany guarantee that there will be no hard in ireland under any circumstances in the future. part of this no hard
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border plan, if needed, would be a temporary customs union with the eu covering the whole of the uk, meaning we would still be no taxes and tariffs on goods moving between the uk and eu. the document calls a single customs territory, but northern ireland we beat any closer relationship, more closely tied to the eu's single market than the rest of the uk. the government has said that will govern northern ireland the best of both worlds, but dominic raab sided northern ireland as one of the reasons he has resigned as brexit secretary. the uk in will be able to leave this temporary customs arrangements but it will not be able to make that decision on its own, the draft document has said the arrangement will only come to an end if both parties decide jointly. that is another point that many brexiteer simply cannot accept. what the withdrawal agreement, all five and 85 pages of it, does not set out the details of the long term relationship in the future with the
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eu after brexit. on security, foreign policy and above all on the terms on which we will trade with the nearest neighbours. there is a separate outline political declaration, just a few pages long for now, which starts to map out that future and behind the scenes a lot of progress has been made, but formal negotiation on all those issues will only begin after brexit has actually happened and the prime minister has warned that if our deal is voted down, no brexit atol could bea is voted down, no brexit atol could be a possible outcome. that was chris morris with our reality check. dominic raab has spoken exclusively to our political editor laura kuenssberg about his decision to stand down as brexit secretary. i have been fighting for a good brexit deal but the terms proposed to the cabinet yesterday i think had two major and fatal flaws. to the cabinet yesterday i think had two major and fatalflaws. the to the cabinet yesterday i think had two major and fatal flaws. the first is that the terms being offered by the eu threaten the integrity of the uk, and the second is that they re bate to uk, and the second is that they rebate to be definite, if not permit situation will be locked into rules
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which are applied with no exit mechanism. i think that is damaging for the economy but devastating for public trust in our democracy. the prime minister has said that is not the case. she says this deal has managed to avoid both of those things. we have different views which, in fairness, things. we have different views which, infairness, i things. we have different views which, in fairness, i think she needs a brexit secretary that will pursue the deal that she wants to put the country with conviction. i do not think i can do that with good conscience but i respect and order in high esteem. i think she should continue but they do think we need to change course on brexit. dominic raab speaking at to our political editor laura kuenssberg. we have also heard from the government's chief whip julian we have also heard from the government's chief whipjulian smith since the revs —— since the resignation this morning and he has said the prime minister will not be bullied or change course. we have got a deal and the prime minister has done a brilliantjob at the negotiating team. we are moving things on and the prime minister is moving things on in the best interests of the country, for families, jobs, frictionless trade
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and delivering on the commitment she had made and respecting the referendum. it is a very, very major decision that the cabinet looked at yesterday. not everyone will agree with that but the prime minister is determined to make sure that this country delivers on brexit, and at the centres of the country, and make sure that we protectjobs, farm incomes across the uk. will there be more resignations, mr smith? incomes across the uk. will there be more resignations, mr smith7m incomes across the uk. will there be more resignations, mr smith? it is a difficult policy decision, it is not surprising that some people find this decision very tough, but the prime minister will not be bullied and will not change course, and the government and the cabinet have made a definite decision to back and we look forward to the november council. julian smith. the lib dem mp tom brake joins council. julian smith. the lib dem mp tom brakejoins me now. the message, she will love this out. well, she can, she can try to do that. try to bring forward motion, although, i must tell you, from the
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reaction in parliament today, there is no chance that will go through. if the prime minister is then threatened with legal deal, i think she will find the majority are opposed to that. what did the designation of dominic raab do? did it dramatically change things? it triggered a number of other resignations, both at senior level and dudley junior level. i resignations, both at senior level and dudleyjunior level. lam surprised that there adulation because she will have known that when he took on the job that the prime minister would come up with the deal like this. —— i am surprised at his resignation. the position she is now in is that she will try to bring forward the deal. that will be blocked by parliament, she will then say you are left with no deal and at that point parliament will say that is not acceptable, we have to have the people vote, something that the lib dems have pressed for for the last couple of years. what will the question be in that people's vote should you get it? well, if the deal gets through,
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do people want to vote for the deal or do they want to remain in the european union? alternatively, if the prime minister has said we must acce pt the prime minister has said we must accept no deal, the choice would be between no deal and staying in the european union. so the remoaners get there way? well, given the level of support across the board from the public for a people's vote, a clear majority of people favour that, actually the public will be getting their way. while that not be more divisive than where we are now? many have said that the mistake in the original referendum was not to say that there should be a two thirds majority one way or another, if it is 52, 48 majority one way or another, if it is 52,48 again, it majority one way or another, if it is 52, 48 again, it solves nothing. clearly, i want to make sure that if we have a people's vote campaign that it we have a people's vote campaign thatitis we have a people's vote campaign that it is won convincingly. what has to happen in the last couple of years is that for the first time, really, we have had an in—depth discussion about what this being in the eu mean and what are the consequences of leaving, and i think
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thatis consequences of leaving, and i think that is now much clearer to people. sol that is now much clearer to people. so i think when people look at the actions, they will want to vote to remain in the eu, albeit one that we would argue should be reformed, so do not simply getting the same thing they had 2.5 years ago. is there not an irony that many would suggest that those who voted for brexit are telling you this is why they want to leave, look at how the eu is taking us? i think the eu has been very consistent, there are certain things they want to secure, as a group of 27 countries. they want to secure the borders. we talk a lot about controlling our borders and did not wa nt controlling our borders and did not want to lose control of their own. so the position they have adopted is clear from the outset and the uk government have known what it is that they are negotiating against, the difficulty of course is that the uk cabinet has not been able to agree what the stands was as easy with the resignations today, when ministers who were in the cabinet have said, we do not actually agree
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with what the prime minister has proposed. you do not think in brussels they are sitting thinking, we are making an example of this country because we do not want to lose other countries in a similar fashion? i think they do not want a catastrophe to happen in the uk, but they will feel that they have done everything to reach things in a satisfactory manner and to reach at factory point. on the basis, and this is purely hypothetical as so much is at the moment, if there is to bea much is at the moment, if there is to be a people's vote, talk me through how you see that happening in the next couple of months? firstly, you must legislate for it, it is not something that canjust happen. things like your local commission have to look at the questions and make sure it is a fair question. then you would have to have an election campaign, the last 12.5 years ago was ten weeks long and this one would have to be similar. this means extending article 50, because he could not hold a people's vote before the 29th of march, we need to get the agreement from the 27 countries and they have indicated they would agree to it and it was for the purposes of the people's vote. we would have that campaign and i would hope that
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we would win that convincingly. tom brake, thank you for talking to us, thank you for your time. more to come from westminster. incredible atmosphere. we will be backin incredible atmosphere. we will be back ina incredible atmosphere. we will be back in a couple of minutes. time for the weather. hallo again. the weather is going to stay pretty quiet through the rest of the day with many areas keeping dry weather and some sunshine. we have seen plenty of sunshine earlier in the day are in the stoke—on—trent area. however, changes in the weather are afoot. what is happening presently as we are drawing in my from north africa across spain and in across the uk and that is in boosting temperature is in boosting temperatures to 17 degrees. look what happened as we go through the weekend. and into next week... bang! redraw and cold, easterly winds and that will hammer the temperatures. instead of top temperature being at 70 degrees, there will be a number of it towards the middle of next week that struggle to reach highs of six or seven. before we get there,
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the weather today is pretty quiet. areas of cloud affecting the south of england, some rain trying to edge in from the north and west. here is the weather picture as we head towards this evening. probably keeping cloud for the south but many areas will keep fine and dry weather with some sunny spells, lasting towards the evening time. further north in western clouds seconds for northern ireland and scotland and break syrian arriving here and colin brazier. these of amateur dramatic spectacle you have got a journey plan for and about five o'clock, 1013 degrees, something like that. this evening and overnight a band of rain pushes eastwards whilst weakening, left with clearing skies across northern areas, so it will get chilly. we could see some patches of frost developing in the cold est patches of frost developing in the coldest areas. for england and wales, edward on cloudy, low cloud, mist and hill fog and patches to be expected and into friday morning. it will be a murky star for some to the day and that cloud could be stubborn, there will be occasional
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bright spells around but the best of the weather probably reserved for northern areas of scotland, where the sunshine should put in an appearance and there will be mild temperatures for the time of year. mild across—the—board, temperatures for the time of year. mild across—the—boa rd, but temperatures are just edging down a little bit and that is a trend that will continue for the weekend as this area of high pressure reorientate into scandinavia and we start to drag much colder, east to south—easterly winds in. temperatures dropping for the weekend, dry weather with sunshine, but just look at those temperatures into the middle of next week, it is going to get much, much, much colder. hello, you're watching afternoon live, i'm simon mccoy. today at 2: theresa may under pressure after a string of ministerial resignations over her brexit deal. the brexit secretary dominic raab has gone, as well as the work and pensions secretary, esther mcvey — amid speculation over a leadership challenge. in fairness, infairness, i in fairness, i think she needs a brexit secretary that will pursue
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the deal she wants to put the country. with conviction, i don't think i can do that in good conscience. but i respect her and held her in high esteem. i think she should continue, but i think they need to change course with brexit. the prime ministerfaces criticism from all sides in parliament as she warns that voting against the deal would put the country "back to square one". it would mean more uncertainty, more division, and a failure to deliver on the decision of the british people that we should leave the year. if we get behind a deal, we can bring our country back together and seize the opportunities that lie ahead. but labour says the deal is "not what the country was promised" and the government "is falling apart". the government is in chaos. there are deal risks leaving the country in an indefinite halfway house without a real say. and the conservative mp and prominent brexiteerjacob rees mogg calls for the prime minister to stand down saying she has not honoured her promises to the nation. hello, this is bbc news, i am live
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in westminster. fast moving events at westminster where theresa may is battling to save her brexit deal and her own position as prime minister after the resignation of two cabinet ministers. let's have a look at what has happened so far today... the brexit secretary dominic raab quit, saying the prime minister's agreement with the eu had "fatal flaws" and threatened the integrity of the united kingdom. he was followed shortly afterwards by esther mcvey, the work and pensions secretary. severaljunior ministers have also resigned. including suella braverman. two
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prime entry private secretaries have also gone. this morning, theresa may defended curry deal. she received criticism from all sides in the house. and the leading eurosceptic mp, jacob rees mogg, has submitted a letter of no confidence in theresa may's leadership saying her draft brexit deal ‘had turned out to be worse than expected'. our first report is from our political correspondent leila nathoo. have you resigned ? she hadn't, but she has now. esther mcvey became the second cabinet minister to walk out over the brexit divorce deal. she followed the man in charge of the brexit talks out of government. dominic raab, now the second brexit secretary to quit thejob, saying he couldn't support what was now on the table. the terms proposed to the cabinet yesterday had two major and fatal flaws. the first was that the time is being offered by the eu in the integrity of the uk and the second is that they would lead
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to indefinite, if not permanent situation, where we are locked into a regime with no say on the rules and laws being applied, with no exit mechanism. that would be damaging for the economy, but devastating for public trust in our democracy. there were more resignations, some are a major blow for theresa may and her preferred brexit agreement which she thought her top team had signed off last night. in the commons this morning, she was forced to defend her strategy with a plea to the house to back her. i know it has been a frustrating process, it has forced us to confront very difficult issues. but a good brexit, a brexit in the national interest, is possible. we have persevered and have made a decisive breakthrough. once a final deal is agreed, i will bring it to parliament and i will ask mps to consider the national interest and give it their backing. voting... booing voting against a deal would take us back to square one. people around the country will be feeling anxious this morning about the industries
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they work in, the jobs they hold, about the stability of their communities and their country. the government must now withdraw this half baked deal, which is clear that does not have the backing of the cabinet, this parliament, or the country as a whole. here in westminster, the numbers are against the prime minister, with presumed allies and opponents queueing up to criticise. i could stand here and take the prime minister through the list of promises and pledges that she made to this house and to us, privately, about the future of northern ireland and the future relationship with the eu. but i fear it would be a waste of time, since she clearly does not listen. the prime minister comes before us today, trying to sell a deal that is already dead in the water. over 80 tory backbenchers, 84 now, and it is going up by the hour,
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will vote against it. it is therefore mathematically impossible to get this deal through the house of commons. theresa may has withstood cabinet resignations before, and she the leading eurosceptic, jacob rees—mogg, has admitted a letter in no confidence in the prime minister, 47 other mps will need to do the same. leaving the eu is the most fantastic opportunity for the uk. it means we can set lower tariffs, cheaper food and clothing, means we can set lower tariffs, cheaperfood and clothing, this opportunity is being thrown away. if you look at the deal, our tariffs will be set by the eu but it would be illegal for us to offer lower tariffs. this is not brexit, this is a failure of government policy. it needs to be rejected, this is nothing to do with personal ambition. theresa may has with self
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cabinet resignations before and for now, she stands firm. the threat to her leadership and her strategy is real, and it could still all come crashing down. let's speak to vicky young, because now we have another resignation. yes, this is not a ministerial resignation, it it is the vice—chair of the conservative party, and i think the point to make is, he has tweeted about this and his letter of resignation has been said to be prime minister, again, he is resigning because of the deal that she has put forward. he has put this tweet up online. people may not have heard of the
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cabinet ministers who resigned today, there may not have heard of the ministerial resignations, but the ministerial resignations, but the point is that... all the people that are resigning are presumably going to vote against her deal. so the point is that if there's ever gets to a vote in the house of commons, these are people who she was hoping would be backing howard, who now will not be. they have given up who now will not be. they have given up on their careers, they will not be backing her. so the numbers on that are not looking good for her title. she has thrown the dice, and she is not in control now, is she? almost like she has thrown up a pack of cards and you don't know how they will land. equally, that could be said on the eurosceptics, people like jake jacob rees—mogg, saying that he has lost confidence in her. they must be close to getting the 48 letters to challenge her. 48 letters is one
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thing, but she still has to go into the house of commons and get other mps to back those 48. all that does is trigger a vote of confidence. that is, just to be clear, nothing to do with the whole of parliament, it is just the conservative party. tory mps get a vote, it is a secret ballot, which could be crucial, they don't have to go public what they have done. it is a secret ballot and shejust have done. it is a secret ballot and she just has to win by a majority of one. the question there is if there we re d oze ns one. the question there is if there were dozens and dozens of backbenchers not supporting her, then that does undermine her credit ability and authority. that is the feeling today, we are sitting there watching the press gallery, and lots of people are getting up saying, we admire you for your tenacity, you have done your duty, you've worked so hard, you've done the best that you could do, but they don't think it's good enough. i think that is the problem, they admire herfor what she has done with that in this position, which she didn't want to do, to have brexit, but to try and
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get the best deal, it is not good enough for too many of the people sitting there. a lot of people are uncertain, and many are feeling fear for the situation we are in. what is the next real focus, for the situation we are in. what is the next realfocus, is it for the situation we are in. what is the next real focus, is it the next version pilot? will be gets to that? i'm not entirely sure we will get that. once you get to the position where you have this number of resignations and a potential challenge against you, it could all be superseded if there's 48 letters do going and then that launches this confidence vote. you don't know how it will end. it is worth saying that our loyal ministers, i have spoken to several of them today, but say it is utter madness to lodge any kind of challenge to the prime minister, when she has come back with a deal and has worked for two years, and we are 4.5 months from leaving the eu. they don't know what could be achieved by having a different leader. the parliament will stay the same, so there is no majority for that deal, but there is also no
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majority for a no—deal brexit situation. so it won't change by changing the leader. even her strong as critics are saying, she has done as critics are saying, she has done a remarkable thing and standing firm and pushing her message through. three hours, taking questions today. it is not an easy gig this, is it? no, that is what you could sense from people on all sides of the house today. it almost felt as if she was getting praised while leaving the job, that wouldn't felt like. they said that her tenacity is a huge bonus for her. if she walks away from all this and decide she won't fight a challenge, if it were to come, from everything we have seen from her over the last few yea rs, seen from her over the last few years, it doesn't seem likely that she would walk away. but you never know, someone will go to her and let her know how miss porter ‘s she can have. briefly, comparing the atmosphere here to immediately after the referendum, some with longer memories, the last days of margaret
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thatcher. it has a real atmosphere here today. it is about a policy, the conservatives feel so strongly about it. jacob rees—mogg saying it wasn't ever about theresa may, it wasn't ever about theresa may, it was about the policy. these people ca re was about the policy. these people care so deeply about this is like john major as well, you have this policy area that divides the conservative party. there are so passionate about it, but it is on a different level than those times, because it is about leaving the eu. you can't help but think back to david cameron saying, this party has to stop banging on about europe. here we are in now. thank you for joining us. we are keeping an eye on the 1922 committee. graham brady, who is chair of the committee, received the letter from jacob rees—mogg and no doubt through the afternoon, if there are other letters, we will hear more about that. we now arejoined by the
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labourmp and home that. we now arejoined by the labour mp and home office minister. thank you forjoining us this afternoon. a lot of people are saying that within your party, this is madness. in terms of? in terms of the letter that jacob rees—mogg and others who are now saying it is now time for a change of leader? the country wants us to act on its decision in the referendum, it is friendly and interested in internal parties gobbles between members of the conservative party. our duty, notjust in the conservative party. our duty, not just in government, the conservative party. our duty, notjust in government, but also on opposition benches, is to ensure we get the best deal that secures a frictionless exit from the eu, and that we concentrate on securing people's livelihoods. is this the best deal? we need to work on the deal, supported the prime minister, because when we leave, we do so in a frictionless way, we will put in place the plans for the future relationship. all this rugby scrum
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today, i think it is unnecessary, and frankly, people will be asking, instead of reading the details of the agreement and working out how it will help their constituents. that said, the resignation of esther mcvey may have been good, dominic raab leaving the government, isn't she fatally wounded by that? identix. the response in the chamber today, of course there were disagreements. this is a critical moment in the journey to brexit. we would always reach this point, because those who have very ideological visions of brexit i'm afraid we're going to hit up against reality at some point. we would always reach this point, but the vast majority of colleagues have enormous respect for the prime minister. chris, when she was talking about giving her statement at10:30am, i talking about giving her statement at 10:30am, i haven't heard say this before, but when she was talking
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through the options, there was the no deal, she said brexit might not happen. the chamber then erupted. lot of people think, that is where we should be going. this whole idea was sold on a full prospectus in 2016, a lot of people lied. i don't think that the remain campaign cover itself with glory in 2016 either. but now people know what brexit is likely to look like, then i think it should go back to the british people for a vote. but there's another point here, i completely agree that the leadership contest is a complete distraction... are you not sickly rubbing your hands on the labour party? seriously not. i respect the judicial element of —— dutiful element of theresa may. her strength and fortitude means she cannot change course, but she needs to change course, but she needs to change course. it's a bit like... i
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listened in the chamber, i was there for the whole three hours, there is no way on god ‘s earth that that supposedly deal is getting through the house of commons. we would be better having a vote now and i hear that in brussels, they are now wondering if it wouldn't be more sensible for them to wait until the british island has had its view, before they have the european council meeting. because what is the point in wasting their time? time is running out. if there is a people's vote, there seems to be a growing call for that now, what is the question on it? what question would you put to the people that would give you proper answer? represent the only way you would get to that is if theresa may goes full stop i think she will lose the vote in the house of commons, and then i think she should go, all right, politics has failed, parliament is not able to come to a decision on how we should proceed, buti to come to a decision on how we should proceed, but i am still the prime minister, i will put my deal to the british people, and they either vote for that or remain. that
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should be the choice before the british people. isn't there a third option of leaving without a deal? no, ithink option of leaving without a deal? no, i think that is the worst of all possible worlds. i am very anxious about our national security. the european arrest warrant has meant that we have been able to get prisoners back from elsewhere in elsewhere in europe. it means we can put them on trial quickly in this country. even the so—called deal doesn't guarantee that we will have that in the future. so that would be pa rt of that in the future. so that would be part of the implementation period. exactly. it will be discussed as pa rt exactly. it will be discussed as part of it. if we just fall out more then that doesn't happen. from day one, that is out. this deal, it is not about the trade deal and how... it is setting the foundations for the trade deal. we are still talking about the divorce. it is the ongoing
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relationship, security, air traffic control, all the details... sanctions on russia... sign of things that are critical to day—to—day life. we don't notice them. that is why we have to get a deal and agreement through parliament so that we can build our future relationship. this is where we sort of agreed. i will do you a favour, i will put you off air. add a little chat and we might talk to you later! thank you forjoining us. let's return to jacob rees—mogg, because the leading eurosceptic has been submitting a letter of no confidence in the prime minister, but he has denied launching a coup. he says the deal is unacceptable. but he has denied launching a coup. he says the deal is unacceptablem using the proper besiegers of the conservative party, when the policy that has come forward does not meet what we have promised our voters. the conservative party referendum, onwards almost all conservative mps
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stood, said specifically that we would leave the customs union. it did not have any small print saying, u nless we did not have any small print saying, unless we decide to have a backstop thatis unless we decide to have a backstop that is a permanent customs union, that is a permanent customs union, thatis that is a permanent customs union, that is harder to leave than leaving the eu under article 50. inaudible i think inaudible ithinka inaudible i think a coup is when you use legitimate procedure is to try and overturn somebody who was in office. this is working through the procedures of the conservative party. it is therefore entirely constitutional and dare i say that coup is the wrong word. inaudible what has been achieved today is not brexit. it divides... the law to leave has already been passed the withdrawal act is through, but what we need is a leader who will say to the european union that it is impossible to divide up the united kingdom. it is impossible to agree
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toa kingdom. it is impossible to agree to a situation where we have a perpetual customs union. it is impossible to pay £39 billion in taxpayer's money for a few promises which was meant to be 39 billion for an implementation of a deal. it is impossible for us to allow the continuing jurisdiction of the european court of justice. continuing jurisdiction of the european court ofjustice. the problem is that the negotiations have given away on all the key points. now, sorry, iwas put off have given away on all the key points. now, sorry, i was put off by a protester! that's talk to henry smith, a conservative mp. he has admitted a letter of no confidence in the last couple of hours full stop you did it by tweet. let's just show the tweet you put up. there is the letter with the document behind it. what went through your mind as you handed that in?” it. what went through your mind as you handed that in? i have come to this decision after many months. i
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wasn't happy with what was being proposed from chequers over the summer, but since that point, i think the news has been getting worse in terms of what the british government were going to be prepared to agree with the european union on our exit. i think today, with the statement where we would would potentially be perpetually be bound by large part of european jurisdiction, that i finally lost confidence in the prime minister to deliver a deal. had your group, erg, had a conversation last night and said, once he put his letter in, we can all pile in? i am not a member of the, although i can sympathise with their positions. i didn't meet with their positions. i didn't meet with their positions. i didn't meet with the erg last night. what are you hoping happens now? you are you hoping for more letters?” you hoping happens now? you are you hoping for more letters? i still hope the prime minister realises that it
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hope the prime minister realises thatitis hope the prime minister realises that it is impossible to get the agreement that she has reached. she has been speaking for three hours, it is clear that she intends to tough it out. i think she will do that, but i think there is a better deal that can be on offer. a similar canada plus, as it is so called, agreement with the eu. the eu are happy with this, and i think we could reach this. i don't agree northern ireland situation is as an impediment as many are making out. i think an agreement is still possible and desirable. but if it means there isa and desirable. but if it means there is a no—deal brexit, then we trade with most of the rest of the world on the wto herons, and that would create some destruction. but i think it would free this country for a globalfuture. it would free this country for a global future. we don't operate on wto terms with anyone? we trade outside of the eu customs union with most of the rest of the world, and thatis most of the rest of the world, and that is a growing market, while the eu isa that is a growing market, while the
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eu is a shrinking market. the eu is very important, and i think it is right that we get a deal. i think a no—deal brexit isn't desirable, but it is farfrom no—deal brexit isn't desirable, but it is far from a disaster for this country. people have been saying, this is the moment but it's packed with people. the people had a clear decision in 2016 full stop the government put out a leaflet of taxpayers — expense, £2 million, to every home, saying they thought we should remain in the eu. remain spent twice as much as leave, saying we will implement the decision you will decide. i think it would be a gross betrayal of democracy as we stand here in front of westminster, i think it would be a gross betrayal of democracy to say that old eu trek, when other countries have voted in referendums that the eu didn't like, to go back and try again. you're talking about betrayal, yet people are looking at you saying, you havejust
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betrayal, yet people are looking at you saying, you have just written a letter to say, get rid of my leader. the prime minister has had over two yea rs the prime minister has had over two years to come together with an agreement that has had the broadest possible support. with regret, she has failed to do so. ultimately, i work for my constituents and my country, and i believe that neither my constituents, nor my country, is best served by what the prime minister is offering. therefore, because of her intransigence and of the eu, we have defined a different direction. under whom? it won't be me. but that remains to be seen. if there is a vote of no—confidence thatis there is a vote of no—confidence that is successful, we will see what candidates come forward. i don't know who they may be. there will be suggestions on that will stop what are they saying at the moment? are they saying, this is our moment, we should go for whom? it is for people
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to themselves put forward if they wa nt to to themselves put forward if they want to be leader. what i do know is that unfortunately, theresa may isn't offering what i can support. isn't offering what the manifesto that both she and i stood on just last year in the general election to deliver the brexit referendum verdict of the british people. her agreement doesn't do that, i prefer to stand by my manifesto commitments. thank you forjoining us. lets see how europe can use this. let's go to our correspondence whojoins me now. damien, is there a sense, we have this atmosphere here which tenders by the hour, what are they saying there? we have had only a few comments, nothing directly. michel barnier spoke earlier at the european parliament saying he thought this was the time for eve ryo ne thought this was the time for everyone to stay calm, to get the
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deal through the final agreement and ratification stages. separately, in eu circles, i think sitting there watching, but very concerned, this is what they have been worried about all along, as soon as a deal is passed over into the political side of things, that is when the moment of things, that is when the moment of greatest danger for this agreement would happen in the uk. so, ithink agreement would happen in the uk. so, i think there is real concern on the eu side. concerned, we have heard from the french prime minister today saying that the political situation in the uk makes the progress of the deal very uncertain and it really brings out the possibility of a no—deal brexit. of course, that is what the eu side are desperate to try and avoid. michel barnier pointed out today that in his comments, as he delivered the deal to the 27 countries and again,
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later in parliament, what he has sought to do in this is over a one year of negotiating, hundreds of pages, because the eu is trying to, with the uk, provide certainty about what happens in march next year, when the uk leads. certainty from millions of people who have moved and live on both sides, on the continent and in uk, certainty for northern ireland and ireland, certainty for companies, business, trading, certainty for places like gibraltar, cyprus... also convicted illegal things are in this deal the excellent —— all sorts of difficult things. this would leave everything up things. this would leave everything up in the area if the deal isn't able to be agreed. eu countries are still hoping that the resolution can be found and they are working towards that. the ambassadors are
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meeting to look through the schedule for next week to try and agree the political side of the declaration. is there any sense there could be any wriggle room left? things like the end date of the customs union, the end date of the customs union, the 20 - xx. is that the end date of the customs union, the 20 — xx. is that something that could be worked on and they could come back to theresa may to say there's another thing we can help you with? they have always said this isn't a final text, it could be open to changes. those could also come from the eu 27 countries, because they have been saying today that they have been saying today that they need to look at this, to look at the detail, particularly of the safeguards applied to the uk if it we re safeguards applied to the uk if it were to have the customs union arrangement. i think it would be open to it, but there would be limited provisions. we have heard eu sources saying that the room for manoeuvre has been exhausted.
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similarly, angela merkel said today in germany that this has been agreed by both sides as the basis for an understanding, or for an agreement, so it is very unlikely that the eu would reopen it. although, remember, they have always said that if the uk changed its red lines, then different things could be on offer. the problem with that is now timing. we are the problem with that is now timing. we a re really the problem with that is now timing. we are really running late in the day, very little time to do that and to change anything. this is why also angela merkel has warned that people have to consider that the choice is perhaps an agreement based on this, or, no—deal brexit, with all of the consequences and uncertainties and difficulties that might bring you the uk leave without a deal next. thank you forjoining us. i am joined now by the executive editor at the huffington post. i am wondering what you make of where we
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are this afternoon. given what we have seen in the last few hours. what is extraordinary is that tony blair used to call political journalist feral beasts. what we have learned in the last 24 hours is that the real feral beasts are tory eurosceptics. theresa may, just like david cameron, and john major before him, have discovered that you need to give them red meat will stop if you don't give them enough of that, the carnivores will bite your arm off. that is what is at the root of the whole problem, particularly today. they are determined, as idealists, to get their way. how do you argue with that? if you are theresa may, you say you will have this out, because what i am offering is the only deal in town. that is what has emerged in the last 24 hours. not the split between leave and remain voters, but beating climate tastes —— between protests and idealists. theresa may is saying
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that the only way to unite the country is not by having another referendum, but by doing a deal that not everyone is happy with, but everybody might square off. that is her main pitch, but it isn't working so far. you know what is going on behind the scenes, we haven't heard from borisjohnson, behind the scenes, we haven't heard from boris johnson, but behind the scenes, we haven't heard from borisjohnson, but what is happening to the people who are saying, this is the moment they will come out? for us, our christmas has come out? for us, our christmas has come true. they say all we do is write about plots, all we do is talk about personalities rather than substance. they are the ones that are plotting, not us. we are trying to keep up today. the most recent news is michael gove, the suggestion that he has been offered bread the secretary. but he's suggesting that he might not take it. —— brexit secretary. as far as the leadership contest is concerned, i would be amazed if wouldn't have 48 letters already. it is the question whether or not graham brady will decide if
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he does it today, the leadership vote of contest, or does he do the vote of contest, or does he do the vote of contest, or does he do the vote of no—confidence next week. does that mean that we will have this house behind are still voting on mist peel in november?” this house behind are still voting on mist peel in november? i do not think so. i think the eu is suggesting that we should sort out our own leadership first and then come back. that is the point negotiating because they do not know what they're doing what. i cannot see what the house has a majority for. we know what it has a majority against. might be extremist if there are enough cordina miners who liked the idea of a people's vote, coming out for that, jeremy corbyn comes out for that, jeremy corbyn comes out for that, but that again will cause huge division. i am not sure that theresa may would remain as prime minister and other that to happen. in the meantime, what this jeremy corbyn do, sit back and watch? the labour party arejoni
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mitchell, let us be honest. some are pushing all the time suggesting that what we need is some general action. for the first time in weeks, i actually think that the labour party are getting closer to the nightmare that we could have another general election and that that is the will be out of this. a people's vote? more difficult, it might happen. i have been told that are at least 20 tory mps who want the people's vote and have not declared yet, but are waiting for the brexit deal to fall and then come out in support of that. you mentioned brenda, that lady in bristol who was horrified at the prospect of another election. do you think there is the mood out there for more politics, if you like? are people in the real world not fed up with what is going on here and just saying, get on with this? i think that is the biggest dangerfor the this? i think that is the biggest danger for the eurosceptics and the people like rees mogg and dominic raab. steve baker. it looks like
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they are squabbling amongst themselves while the country is gone to hell any high—end card. this is different in 1990 when margaret thatcher was toppled over the poll tax. why? the poll tax was a single issue, that is about the future of the country, our child ren's issue, that is about the future of the country, our children's future. what country will be live on? that is why it is better than 1990 and that despite i think there will be a better taste in the mouth of the public the moment regardless of whether they are leavers remainers. thank you very much. you're watching bbc news, i am simon mccoy, live at westminster. theresa may is battling to save the brexit deal after the designation of two cabinet ministers and several junior ministers. designation of two cabinet ministers and severaljunior ministers. —— resignation. dominic raab was first goal. he was followed by esther mcvey, the work and pensions
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secretary. two junior ministers mcvey, the work and pensions secretary. twojunior ministers have resigned, including suella braverman at the brexit department, you can see pictured here, alongside two private secretary ‘s. theresa may defended her deal and was on her feet for three hours in the house of commons taking questions, often very critical from all parties. jacob rees—mogg cimetidine letter of no confidence in the leadership of theresa may at three o'clock. he said the deal was worse than expected. in the last 30 minutes, conservative vice—chairman rehman chishti has also resigned, saying he cannot support the withdrawal agreement. don mcgrath has been speaking to laura kuenssberg about why he stood down. i have been fighting for a good brexit deal but the terms yesterday had two major and fatal flaws. —— dominic raab. they will lead to an indefinite, if not permit situation where we were locked into
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a resume with mussi on the rules and the law is being applied, with no exit mechanism. i think that would be damaging for the economy, but devastating for public trust in our democracy. the prime minister has said that is not the case. she has said that is not the case. she has said that is not the case. she has said that this deal has managed to avoid both of those things.” appreciate we have different views, which, in fairness, appreciate we have different views, which, infairness, i appreciate we have different views, which, in fairness, i think she needs a brexit secretary that will pursue the deal that she wants to put the country with conviction. i do not feel that i can do that in good conscience. but i respect and hold her in high esteem.” good conscience. but i respect and hold her in high esteem. i think she should continue but we must change course on brexit. i am just hearing that theresa may will give a news conference in the next hour and a half or so on what has happened today. we await confirmation of that. we have also heard from julian smith, the chief whip, since the resignations today. he has said that the prime minister will not be bullied or change course. we have got a deal, that is the most important thing. the prime minister has any growing job with the negotiating team and we will have to
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cancel a november hockley and move things on, and that is what the prime minister is doing in the best interest of the country, families, for frictionless trade and delivered in on the commitments he has made. she has lost two brexit secretary is now. it is a major decision that the cabinet traditionally. it is not surprising that people have different views. but the prime minister is determined to make sure this country delivers on brexit for the country in the best interests of the country in the best interests of the country in the best interests of the country and make sure that we protect jobs, farm the country and make sure that we protectjobs, farm incomes across the uk. will there be more resignations? it is a difficult decision. it is not surprising that some people find this decision very tough. the prime minister will not be bullied or change course, and the government and the cabinet made a definite decision to back this and we look forward to the november council. julian smith. nicola sturgeon has said it is not a good dealfor sturgeon has said it is not a good deal for scotland. we are with
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stephen gethins, the snp mp. why does she believe that? it is not a good dealfor does she believe that? it is not a good deal for scotland because does she believe that? it is not a good dealfor scotland because we know from the treasure, analysis, from the governor's or investigation into this that this they would cost usjobs, hit our economy, and economies for young people in the future. if the uk government is telling us it is bad for the economy, that tells us we have to do something different, and nicola sturgeon is correct with her warnings. it takes us out of europe and the eu, it keepsjob is safe, so says theresa may. it ensures a customs union certainly in that initial period. isn't that sort of what you want? theresa may is directly contradicting her own treasury analysis, what her own government department is telling her about this. what we know is that the best option is to take part of the european union, that is what we wanted, but the compromise we have offered it to be part of a customs union and part of the single market, thatis union and part of the single market, that is what the treasury tells us is the least worst option. what you are going to tell me is that you know that is not what theresa may
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set out today. yes! i never want to put words into the mouth of the bbc. you have pre—empted it. put words into the mouth of the bbc. you have pre-empted it. but that would be a fair point to make. in these situations, the government has clearly lost control. i sat during this term of theresa may today and it was stark about the number of her own backbenchers, even her own ministers quitting, telling me that they cannot support this deal. that means that parliament must step up to the plate. we are steering over a cliff edge and the stuff matters. it has an impact on the jobs of people, economy, future opportunities for young people and presently it is affecting medicines and food security. you want to get to that thought? we want a compromise deal, staying in the single market and a customs union. critically, members of parliament have a responsibility to our constituents and that is to reach out beyond our traditional
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parties, across the aisle, and build that consensus, because parliament has to take control. it is your view that this deal is going to be acceptable, you are suggesting let parliament have its say, is that not the correct nextel? yes, the digger department and give parliament ece. if the alternative is to crash out and have no deal? that is a false statement. that, for example you could extend article 50. that is something we have pushed for for something we have pushed for for some time. this is not about having fa ke some time. this is not about having fake dates in the diary, it is about getting to the right conclusion in the least damaging conclusion. the best one as far as we see it is to remain part of the european union, others have different views. let us talk about this. let's get to the stage where we are not talking about food security, medicines being put on the line, bringing in the army. all of this chaos and prices in peace time, that is a colossal
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political failure and one that mps need to stand up to the plate and i am appealing to mps to all parties to step up, call for article 50 to be extended, especially when we do not have the answers and that is disastrous at the moment. that man he agrees, he is shouting stop brexit. scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain, as did my constituents. having this compromise of staying within the single market and a customs union, taking us out of the eu is not where i want to be. believe me, this is not where i would want to be. but we are where we are and that is why we have to offer compromise. i do not like that, but that is the nature of compromise, difficult for everybody. if theresa may later said she is determined to get this deal through and is taking it to the house of commons, is she not right to at least push for that? she can, but he can push for amendments to deliver what we would like to see that we
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believe it is a majority for within the house of commons. stephen gethins, good to talk to you again. thank you for putting words in my mouth! sorry. you are doing very well. lots to go on with. theresa may, more than three hours ago she was defending the deal in the house of commons this morning. with me, the conservative mp, vice—chair of the conservative mp, vice—chair of the european research group, mark francois. where are we? what are we about to see? what we have seen in the commons today, was the prime minister laid out the deal and very few mps, if any, on any side of the house, including on the conservative benches, supported it. and i made a contribution when i went through the mathematics of all the different parties in the house, and i said respectively but very clearly, there was absolutely no way it would get through the house of commons. it is
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as dead as a dodo. is it? is it that only option is a no deal departure? well, it is absolutely apparent that the labour party will not vote for the labour party will not vote for the chequers deal. we have said that very publicly. they have said that about lots of things. play fair, you have asked me the question. the labour party will not vote for it, the dup, supposedly allies in government and to the prime minister has now enraged, they will not go for it. the lib dems and the snp will not vote for it and over 80 tory mps have said they will not vote for it and that number is rising with the continued resignations. so it is impossible to pass through the house of commons. what i asked the prime minister respectfully today was to acknowledge the reality of the situation that she is now in. what happens firstly, 48 letters is the
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target. jacob rees—mogg, one of those putting his letters. what do you see happening from there? as i understand that under the rules of the party, once sir graham brady, the party, once sir graham brady, the chairman of the 1922 committee, the chairman of the 1922 committee, the sort of trade union of the backbenchers and the like, once he has received the 48th letter, he consults with the executive of the 22, he notifies the prime minister that there will be able of no confidence and he and the executive of the 20 to have considerable leeway about when they will actually call the contest that, you know, it would not be a very long amount of time. he goes to the timing of sir andy decides when the contest will ta ke andy decides when the contest will take place. what do you say to those and have been several conservative mps here who have said this is
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ridiculous that members of their own party are now putting the position of the leader in jeopardy on this at a time of national crisis? but who participated the crisis? who came up with a deal that is unacceptable to the house of commons "death to traitors, freedom for britain" who negotiated an agreement, and i am sure that she was acting in good faith, but who negotiated an agreement that means that we would become a vassal state? and what i can tell you, because now that we have had today, is four months, i mean from and since chequers, my collea g u es mean from and since chequers, my colleagues and i in the er g have pleaded, and i use the word heavily, pleaded, and i use the word heavily, pleaded with the boss, but i am afraid that her and none of her officials have risen to a word we have said. thank you, mark francois, for joining have said. thank you, mark francois, forjoining us. you are watching the bbc news
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special from westminster. two government resignations, including the brexit secretary this morning and the fallout is being felt across westminster and the country today. a little earlier i spoke to david lammy from the labour party and the conservative party's peter warren committee gave the reaction to events today. we have ten days to ratify this deal on the 25th, there will be, i suspect, a leadership challenge in that period against theresa may, so whether she remains prime minister is unclear. what is clear is that he cannot get this deal through parliament. my belief is that politics is stuck, and will remain like that in westminster for some time. the only way out of this is to somehow go back to the bible. peter bone, you put in your letter sometime ago. what are you hoping this process within your party is going to show britton —— go back to the people. i wanted a policy change, not necessarily a change of prime minister, but when she will
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not change the policy, we will be to do that is to change the leader. we both agree that the brexit gilbert forewa rd both agree that the brexit gilbert foreward is both agree that the brexit gilbert forewa rd is unacceptable both agree that the brexit gilbert foreward is unacceptable and it seems to me what will happen is that if the agreement ever reaches the house of commons, it will be voted down, and by the act of parliament passed by the parliament, it will fall out. do you think it will get to parliament? nothing would surprise me at the moment. ministers resigning from the cabinet, junior ministers resigning. leading mps have said they will put in letters like jacob rees—mogg. i do think there is a likelihood of a leadership challenge and whoever the new leader is will take forward the policy. quite interesting, when you listed the options, general election was not one. that is a possibility. look, the point is, in our constitutional system, if the politics is broken, and westminster is stuck, then usually there is a
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general election, or on this occasion, they could be a referendum on theresa may's deal, and of the public liked deal that would give the mandate for politicians to fall in line. should the house not have ipsa first? it will, but as night follows day, theresa may cut a very lonely figure in the house today will stop it is not for the first and that she has been through similarfights before. and that she has been through similar fights before. on and that she has been through similarfights before. on this occasion she lost the dup. labour will not vote for it, the snp will not vote for it and quite a lot for one members will not vote for it. not vote for it and quite a lot for one members will not vote for itm the option is a no deal, are you convinced that every member of your party will vote against?” convinced that every member of your party will vote against? i am not sure that is the option. there is no deal, but equally, there will be amendments to this deal and part of that amendment could be to go back to the british people and say, "do you like this deal?" you seek
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democracy again and the politicians have to follow the line. that is what happens. the worry, peter bone, is that we are a divided country and any future board would divide us even more strongly and father. 2016 we had the decision, will we leave the eu or stay. there was a significant majority for the eu or stay. there was a significa nt majority for leaving the eu or stay. there was a significant majority for leaving the eu, that is what the government should have delivered. unfortunately, the draft agreement does not deliver that and that is why we have a problem. what do you say to your constituents who suggest that they could be quite frightened about what is going on, never knowing such a period of uncertainty? every saturday i talked to my constituents. they have not said that. what they have told me to get on with it and stop messing up the brexit. we voted to leave, we do not understand what the politicians are doing. we voted to leave, get on and leave. that is what the leaders
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are telling me. just get on and do it. very quickly. i do not recognise that, i think we are in a model. this is undeliverable. she has tried her best, she really has, but she was handed the sticky wicket in the first place and the only way out of this in the end is a general election or a people's vote on hardyal. that was peter born and david lammy speaking to simon earlier. let us examine the key details of the brexit agreement that the prime minister has signed up to. here is our reality check correspondent, chris morris. amidst the political turbulence, the draft withdrawal agreement remains the same, a seriously hefty legal document that sets out the terms in which we leave the european union. if everyone approves it, and that if gets bigger by the day, it means amongst a host of other things, over time the uk will pay at least £39 billion to the eu to settle all of its financial obligations. it sets out basic rights in the future for eu citizens in the uk, and brits elsewhere in europe, protecting
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their residency and social security rights, but leaving other questions unanswered. there will also be a transition period after brexit, when all the rules will remain the same. that will last until the end of 2020. it could be extended possibly for up to one year or so. and the toughest part of the negotiations, it sets the terms of the so—called backstop, the guarantee that there will be no hard border in ireland under any circumstances in the future. part of this no hard border plan, if needed, would be a temporary customs union, with the eu covering the whole of the uk, meaning we would still be no taxes and tariffs on goods moving between the uk and eu. the document calls this a single customs territory, but northern ireland would be in a closer relationship, more closely tied to the eu single market than the rest of the uk. the government has said that would give northern ireland the best of both worlds, but dominic raab cited northern ireland as one of the reasons he has resigned as brexit secretary.
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the uk in theory will be able to leave this temporary customs arrangements but it will not be able to make that decision on its own, the draft document has said the arrangement will only come to an end if both parties decidejointly. that is another point that many brexiteers simply cannot accept. what the withdrawal agreement — all 585 pages of it — does not do, is set out the details of the long—term relationship in the future with the eu after brexit. on security, foreign policy and above all, on the terms on which we will trade with our nearest neighbours. there is a separate outline political declaration, just a few pages long for now, which starts to map out that future and behind the scenes a lot of progress has been made, but formal negotiation on all those issues will only begin after brexit has actually happened. and the prime minister has warned that if her deal is voted down, no brexit at all could be a possible outcome. chris morris. let us bring you some
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on the latest developments on a fast moving day at westminster. our political editor laura kuenssberg has said that sources have told her that michael gove has been offered a position brexit secretary. other drummers reporting he is thinking about it but wants to be to pursue a different deal. no decision yet. this could be theresa may's vietto, or...? yes, all sorts of possibilities remain in the air only fast moving day. birmingham, the second—largest city in the uk voted to leave in the brexit referendum. our reporters happy with the draft deal? our correspondent has been finding out about how the divisions in westminster are reflected about how the divisions in westminster a re reflected on about how the divisions in westminster are reflected on the city's streets. europe is on everyone's mike duddy in birmingham, orat least europe is on everyone's mike duddy in birmingham, or at least parts of it. on the first day of the annual
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christmas market, the divorce philp has been discussed at the continental fear. we did not see we would vote to stay or leave, but when you leave, we will not leave immediately, we will far for rome for the next five or ten years and then leave. she is doing a good job, she did not want to leave and she is actually doing her banners to help everyone. many people have lost trust in her. it is only a matter of probably weeks that she will be gone. did you vote to leave? no, to remain. as a reminder, what do you think will happen next? who knows, i do not know. it is just so complicated, isn't it? who knows the a nswer to complicated, isn't it? who knows the answer to that question? maybe the next prime minister does.” answer to that question? maybe the next prime minister does. i think we have to look at the positives, if there are any, ijust try to understand it and get the best deal that they can. it does appear that we are getting a raw deal at the minute, but we have to keep faith in
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theresa may, you never know.” minute, but we have to keep faith in theresa may, you never know. i would like the decision to be reversed, but i am not too sure about the way things are going at the moment. and 2016, birmingham had one of the close of results in the country, they said they chose to leave by just a blister, 50.4%. shocking forecasters have predicted such a large conurbation would choose to remain. it helped make the west midlands the most pro—brexit region in the country, and then some are unhappy as what they see as a fudge. a little bit wishy—washy, we need donald trump another ten. people keep telling them to get on with it, be firm, do it. this is what we want. and that is not what is happening? not at all. the ball in the second city are taking these developments in on an unpredictable day and know there is likely to be more of those to come. now, we will be keeping you up—to—date with all of the very
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latest developments from westminster and we are expecting a news conference from the prime minister in downing street just conference from the prime minister in downing streetjust after five o'clock, but right now let us catch up o'clock, but right now let us catch up with the weather prospects. hallo again. the weather will stay quiet for the rest of the day with many areas remaining dry and sunshine, plenty of sunshine we have seen earlier in the day, especially around his stoke on trent area. changes are afoot. what is going on at the moment, we are drawing in mild airfrom north at the moment, we are drawing in mild air from north africa, at the moment, we are drawing in mild airfrom north africa, across the pain and then across the uk, and that has boosted temperatures up to 70 degrees. look what happened as we go to the weekend. and into next week. i'm! we got him cold, easterly winds and that will hammer the temperatures. instead of blog entries being at 17 degrees, there will be in number of areas next week that struggled to reach highs of six or seven. before that, the weather today has been quiet, areas of cloud affecting the south of england, a
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little bit of rain trying to edge in from the north and west. here is the weather picture as we head toward this evening. probably creeping cloud for the south, but many areas will keep fine and dry weather with some sunny spells lasting towards the evening. further north and west, the evening. further north and west, the cloud beckons for scotland with outbreaks of rain arriving and turning breezy. these are the temperatures you might expect if you have a plan for around five o'clock, ten of 13 degrees, something like that. this evening and overnight, a band of rain pushes east across scotla nd band of rain pushes east across scotland and whilst weakening, we will be left with clearing skies across the north, where it will get chilly and we could see patches of frost developing in the coldest areas. for england and wales, turning cloudy, low cloud, so some mist and hill fog, turning cloudy, low cloud, so some mistand hill fog, is turning cloudy, low cloud, so some mist and hill fog, is expected on into friday morning. it will be a murky start to the day and that cloud could be stubborn, there will be occasional brighter spells but the best of the weather probably reserved for the north of scotland,
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where the sunshine should put in an appearance and again pretty mad for the time of year. still mild across the time of year. still mild across the board but temperatures are edging down a little bit and that is a trend that will continue into the weekend. as the saviour of high pressure reorientate into scandinavia, we start to drag much colder east to south—easterly winds in. temperatures dropping for the weekend, a lot of dry weather with sunshine, butjust weekend, a lot of dry weather with sunshine, but just the weekend, a lot of dry weather with sunshine, butjust the tip was temperatures into the middle of next week, it is going to get much, much, much colder. you're watching a bbc news special, i'm simon mccoy in westminster. the headlines: theresa may under pressure after a string of resignations over her brexit deal. brexit secretary dominic raab has gone as well as esther mcvey. in fairness i think she needs a brexit secretary that will pursue the deal she wants to put the country with conviction. i do not feel i can do
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that in good conscience but i respect her and hold her in high esteem and think she should continue but i think we need to change course on brexit. the prime minister faces criticism from all sides in parliament as she once that voting against the deal would put the country to square one. it would mean more uncertainty, more division and a failure to deliver on the decision of the british people that we should leave the eu. if we get behind a deal we can bring our country back together and seize the opportunities that lie ahead. but labour says the deal is not what the country was promised and the government is falling apart. the government, mr speaker, is in chaos. their deal risks leaving the country in an indefinite halfway house without a real say. the conservative mp and prominent brexiteerjacob rees—mogg calls for the prime minister to stand down, saying she has not honoured her promises to the nation. we expect to
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hear from promises to the nation. we expect to hearfrom mrs promises to the nation. we expect to hear from mrs may promises to the nation. we expect to hearfrom mrs may in an hour's time. good afternoon from westminster. this is bbc news, i'm simon mccoy. fast—moving events in westminster where theresa may is battling to save her brexit deal and her own position as prime minister after the resignation of two cabinet ministers and two junior ministers. resignation of two cabinet ministers and twojunior ministers. she is expected to give a press conference from downing street in an hour's time. let's have a quick look at what has happened so far today. brexit secretary dominic raab quit just before 9am saying the prime minister's agreement with the eu had fatal flaws and threatened the integrity of the united kingdom. he was followed an hour later by esther mcvey, the work and pensions secretary. two junior ministers mcvey, the work and pensions secretary. twojunior ministers have also resigned today, including suella braverman, the brexit
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department, until you can see here. alongside two parliament to private secretary. at 10:30am theresa may defended her deal in the house of commons as were on her feet for three hours, taking questions, some critical, from all parties. leading euroscepticjacob rees—mogg submitted a letter of no confidence saying her draft brexit deal had turned out worse than expected. and in the last hour conservative vice—chairman rehman chishti is also resigned saying he cannot support the draft withdrawal agreement. our first report this afternoon is from our political correspondent leila nathoo. are you going to resign? she hadn't then but she is now, esther mcvey became the second cabinet minister to walk out of the brexit divorce deal. she followed the man in charge of the brexit talks out of government, dominic raab now the second brexit secretary to quit thejob raab now the second brexit secretary to quit the job saying he could not support what was now on the table.
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the terms proposed to the cabinet yesterday, i think, the terms proposed to the cabinet yesterday, ithink, had the terms proposed to the cabinet yesterday, i think, had two major and fatal flaws, the first is that the terms offered by the eu threatened the integrity of the united kingdom and the second is that they would lead to indefinite if not a permanent situation where we are locked into a regime with no say over the rules and laws being applied with no exit mechanism. that would be damaging for the economy but devastating for public trust in our economy. there were more resignations among junior ministers too, in some major blow for theresa may and her preferred brexit agreement, which she thought her top tea m agreement, which she thought her top team had signed off last night. this morning in the commons, forced to defend her strategy with a plea to the house to back her.” defend her strategy with a plea to the house to back her. i know it's been a frustrating process and has forced us to confront some very difficult issues. but a good brexit, a brexit which is in the national interest, is possible. we have persevered and have made a decisive breakthrough. once a final deal is
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agreed i will bring it to parliament andi agreed i will bring it to parliament and i will ask mps to consider the national interest and give it their backing. voting against a deal would ta ke backing. voting against a deal would take us all back to square one. people around the country will be feeling anxious this morning. about the industries they work in. the jobs they hold. about the stability of their communities and their country. the government must now withdraw this half baked deal, which is clear does not have the backing of the cabinet. this parliament. 0r the country as a whole. in westminster the numbers are against the prime minister, with presumed allies and opponents alike queueing up allies and opponents alike queueing up to criticise. i could today stand here and take the prime minister through the list of promises and pledges that she made to this house, and to us privately about the future of northern ireland and the future
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relationship with the eu. but i fear it would be a waste of time since she clearly doesn't listen. the prime minister comes before us today trying to sell us a deal that is already dead in the water. over 80 tory backbenchers, well, it is 84 now, it is going by the hour, will vote against this. it is therefore mathematically impossible to get this deal through the house of commons. this afternoon, the prominent brexiteerjacob rees—mogg confirmed he had submitted a letter of no confidence in the prime minister and 47 other mps need to do the same to force a vote on whether theresa may should still be in charge. leaving the european union is the most fantastic opportunity for the united kingdom. it means we can have the opportunity of setting lower chads, cheaper food, clothing and footwear helping the least well off in our society the most. this opportunity is being thrown away. if
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you look at the deal, our tariffs will be set by the european union and it would be illegalfor us to offer lower tariffs. this is not brexit, this is a failure of government policy and needs to be rejected. this is nothing to do with personal emission. theresa may has withstood cabinet resignations before and for now she is standing firm in no 10 and behind her brexit deal. convinced that when it comes to it, parliament will be on her side. but the threats to her leadership and strategy is real, and it could still all come crashing down. leila nathoo, bbc news, westminster. i'm joined by chief political correspondent vicki young. theresa may has been on her feet here for more than three hours and is about to give a news conference. what are we going to hearfrom her? to give a news conference. what are we going to hear from her? she will come out fighting, there will be those that think with everything that's gone today, resignations, possibility of a leadership challenge, some might think she would walk away but if you think about what we have seen of her the last two years, the one thing that eve ryo ne last two years, the one thing that everyone was praising in the house of commons today wasn't her deal on
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brexit, it was herfortitude, determination, sense of duty. so i think at this point she's planning to say that she's going to carry on and that she has got the best deal that can possibly be negotiated and she will urge people again to look at this in the national interest, about the only compromise she feels that there can be. having said that, of course, she has had resignations from the cabinet today and we also understand michael gove, the environment secretary, has been offered the job of brexit secretary. he has not accepted, he is thinking about it but he wants assurances that he could pursue a different kind of deal to the one the prime minister has agreed with brussels. now, that is obviously incredibly problematic for the prime minister and would mean a complete change in direction. if she says no to that, ha rd to direction. if she says no to that, hard to see how michael gove could stay in the cabinet. eboue dai a fluid stay in the cabinet. eboue dai a flu id system stay in the cabinet. eboue dai a fluid system stomach we have already seen the start of a
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move to unseat her, jacob rees—mogg among those putting letters in saying we want a new leader. how much of a threat is that her at this stage? it is a huge threat because of jacob leader of this group of brexit leaning tory mps, if he does that he must be pretty sure there are enough people to get it over the line, 48 letters which go in to the head of the 1922 committee, that's the committee of backbenchers, and there have been several others who have gone public with the fact they have done that. to be clear if they got a 48 it triggers a confidence vote in the prime minister. it is a confidence vote amongst conservative mps and she would have to win that by one vote. the level of her support is incredibly important, if it gets to that point because she could win it but there are a huge number of tory mps not backing her it would undermine her authority. but there are still a lot of voices here, ministers and others we have spoken to today still backing her who think
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a change in leadership changes nothing because the parliamentary arithmetic stays the same. if there is no majority for the deal she's putting forward, what is there a majority for? that is always the issue that there has been. at the moment there is no big backing for a second referendum, no backing for a no deal situation either, but what is there a majority for? that has a lwa ys is there a majority for? that has always been a problem. she has effectively thrown the dice and she says she will see this through and we will hear that repeated in the next hour or so. the gamble is that in this house, the house of commons, mps will vote with her rather than what will be presented as the only option which is a no deal.” what will be presented as the only option which is a no deal. i think the problem for her with this deal, as we have said before, is it is a compromise, but it is a compromise thatis compromise, but it is a compromise that is annoying both wings of her party. the brexit tears don't like it because they feel it is effectively the uk staying in the eu
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and some on the remain side who just think that you're better off staying in the eu if you are going to sign up in the eu if you are going to sign up to as ever with this side of —— this kind of compromise it is a problem and the numbers don't look good, the dup say they will not back it. the key thing is they will still be labour mps but at the moment there is no sign they will back this deal. we will have to see if it ever gets here. who knows what they are thinking in brussels watching all of this? i saw a tweet earlier from donald tusk saying if nothing extraordinary happens in the next few days, we will have an emergency summit at the end of november. that was quite a big if and it's turning out to be quite an extraordinary day. thank you very much indeed. the prime minister putting in the hours yesterday with her cabinet meeting. that went on for more than five hours on today at 10:30am coming to the house of commons to make her statement and then take three hours of questioning from mps. one of the more remarkable aspects of that was the level of detail that she was
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asked about and that she was able to comment on as well. we are expecting to hear from the comment on as well. we are expecting to hearfrom the prime ministerfrom a news conference in downing street in the next hour. joining me now is ben bradshaw and conservative mp for north dorset, simon hall. simon bon ifi north dorset, simon hall. simon bon if i could start with you, purely on a personal level this is a tough day for the prime minister. yes but that she passed the test with flying colours this afternoon in the commons, on top of the brief and all over the detail and gave a convincing and commanding performance at the house of commons showing she's the right person doing the rightjob showing she's the right person doing the right job in showing she's the right person doing the rightjob in the right way. there are those lining up with letters who disagree. yes and i am sorry that they are and i would encourage them to pause and to think and maybe stop writing and start reading, read the draft proposals which the prime minister tabled, see that they deliver on the referendum result, while preserving and strengthening the uk economy,
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manufacturing and jobs, bringing back control of immigration and bringing back control of our laws. that is what the people voted for in the referendum. i think one or two people have unfortunately, for reasons i will leave them to explain, have rushed tojudgment on this instead of having a bit of sober reflection thinking about the big picture, getting behind the prime minister delivering on the brexit result. ben bradshaw, is there a point that we are almost beyond politics? people watching right now, many afraid of where we are at at the moment. i completely understand that, the whole thing has been handled completely shambolic live because the government pretended for two years wouldn't have our cake and eat it and we are facing the moment of truth now, when it sit as sold in 2016, is being sold for the light it then was and now we have to make a decision. i do not think there is a majority in the house of commons for the steel, in fa ct, house of commons for the steel, in fact, it is clear there isn't and there is no majority for no deal, simon and! there is no majority for no deal, simon and i would agree on that ——
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for this deal. the only option would be another referendum giving the decision back to the people. be another referendum giving the decision back to the peoplem be another referendum giving the decision back to the people. if the only option as far as the house is offered is in no deal, doesn't the deal on the table have a chance? no, i think it has no chance and it is deadin i think it has no chance and it is dead in the water and the dup are against it, the extreme hard brexiteers are against it, labour against it, you will not have a single labourmp, against it, you will not have a single labour mp, maybe one or two, voting for it even kate hoey who voted consistently with the conservatives said she would oppose it. this deal is dead and we must focus on what happens now and the only sensible way forward for the country is to put the decision back to the people because parliament will not be able to resolve it, only the people can. tambe, lots of rumours flying around this place as there have been for the last few days. when are they ever not? michael gove reported to have been offered the job of brexit secretary and is thinking about it. —— simon hoare. if he says no, can she go on? he's doing a greatjob in defra.
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hoare. if he says no, can she go on? he's doing a great job in defra. two brexit secretaries have resigned and a third senior minister doesn't want thejob. a third senior minister doesn't want the job. i haven't heard that and i'm not sure what the source of the information is. michael would do it brilliantly, just as he is doing a brilliantly, just as he is doing a brilliantjob at defra, he is a first—class politician and a great colleague. the prime minister will appoint people to be in the cabinet who would do the job that she needs them to do. can i pick up on something and then was just saying? i think my constituents and most people's constituents are saying two things, first of all, get on and saw this thing out. secondly they are saying, we do not care if you argue about the health service, education and transport, that is part of domestic politics. but on this which transcends party loyalty it takes us beyond the boundaries of this parliament and it is beyond the narrow interests of any one particular party. women and men of goodwill should come together and realise that there is no perfect deal out there. the prime minister isn't pretending this deal is
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perfect and i'm not. it is a good deal that works and we should get behind it because i think ben is right, there is no majority for leaving without a deal. but if there is no deal on the table, that i'm afraid, is the inexorable result that we will arrive at and that would be a catastrophe. interesting that you are calling for a people's vote and not a general election, which many of your party would prefer. that's only because there will not be won, i would love a general election and we need a labour government that would focus on the issues facing the country rather than this brexit mess for once. there cannot be a general election unless conservative mps vote for one and they were not so the most likely outcome is another referendum, and that is another opportunity. i agree with simon, the la st opportunity. i agree with simon, the last thing we need is another conservative party leadership campaign. the idea that changing the leader will change anything, it won't. what matters is the arithmetic and the house of commons and there is no majority for a hard brexit, no majority for this deal or no deal, so the only way forward is
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to have another referendum. what is the option? what other questions you put the people in the second vote? it would be between this deal, if it survives in any format or although that's difficult to imagine, or no deal and staying in on current terms. three options? possibly, doesn't really matter how many options, whether three or two, but that important thing is that the public give their verdict on where we are now, which is somewhere completely different from what they we re completely different from what they were promised in 2016. simon, you are shaking your head. we have the biggest democratic exercise and i voted, like ben gummer to remain and my side of the ottoman lost and i'm a democrat and we must deliver the decision which the british people had. if we had another referendum, what are they going to do, best of two, three, five? we have to get on and make it work and make it the success i believe we can make it and i think the deal amplifiers that. —— my side of the argument lost. to dress that up as an opportunity for a deal by the side door of another
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referendum, it would be a betrayal of the democratic principles and i think at a time, when let's be frank, how the public view politicians is never particularly high, | politicians is never particularly high, ithink politicians is never particularly high, i think this would drive a coach and horses through the last vestiges of respect they had for as. wouldn't it be even more divisive than the last one? unless you put in that must be a two thirds majority one side or the other. our country is already terribly divided. if we go through with brexit in march, this uncertainty is going to go on four years because we haven't even started talking about the future relationship yet. what we're talking about is their withdrawal agreement so in my view the only way of bringing the country back together and ending uncertainty and allowing us as and ending uncertainty and allowing usasa and ending uncertainty and allowing us as a country to focus on things the public care about is to give them a choice in another referendum and hopefully to stop this whole mess. ben bradshaw, simon hoare, thank you forjoining us. let's examine how the key details of the d raft examine how the key details of the draft brexit agreement the prime
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minister signed up to look like. here is our reality check correspondent chris morris. amidst the political turbulence the d raft amidst the political turbulence the draft withdrawal agreement remains the same, a serious, hefty legal document that sets out the terms on which we leave the european union. if everyone approves it, a bigger if by the day, it means among a host of other things over time the uk will pay at least £39 billion to the eu to settle all its financial obligations. it sets out basic rights in the future for eu citizens in the uk and brits elsewhere in europe, protecting their residence and social security rights believing other questions unanswered. they will also be a transition period after brexit when the rules will stay the same. that will last until the end of 2020. it could be extended possibly for up to one year or so. and the toughest part of the negotiations, it sets the terms of the so—called backstop, the guarantee that there will be no hard border in ireland under any circumstances
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in the future. part of this no hard border plan, if needed, would be a temporary customs union, with the eu covering the whole of the uk, meaning there would still be no taxes and tariffs on goods moving between the uk and eu. the document calls this a single customs territory, but northern ireland would be in a closer relationship, more closely tied to the eu single market than the rest of the uk. the government has said that would give northern ireland the best of both worlds, but dominic raab cited northern ireland as one of the reasons he has resigned as brexit secretary. the uk in theory will be able to leave this temporary customs arrangement but it will not be able to make that decision on its own, the draft document has said the arrangement will only come to an end if both parties decidejointly. that is another point that many brexiteers simply cannot accept. what the withdrawal agreement — all 585 pages of it — does not do, is set out the details of the long—term relationship in the future with the eu after brexit. on security, foreign policy and above all,
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on the terms on which we will trade with our nearest neighbours. there is a separate outline political declaration, just a few pages long for now, that starts to map out that future and behind the scenes a lot of progress has been made, but formal negotiation on all those issues will only begin after brexit has actually happened. and the prime minister has warned that if her deal is voted down, no brexit at all could be a possible outcome. chris morris there. nigel farage, vice—chairman of the leave means leave campaign group is in our westminster studio. good afternoon. good afternoon. there are those that are saying your prospectus before the last referendum was a lie and is being found out. 50 years of lies, 50 yea rs of being found out. 50 years of lies, 50 years of being told it is a common market, don't worry your heads, then a political union, 50 yea rs of heads, then a political union, 50 years of being told there is no european army. this week angela merkel said it will be complete within a couple of years. we are
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used to lies. what we argued for in the referendum was that the uk should become an independent country, and independent countries make their own laws, controlled their own borders and choose their own friends in the world. and nothing about that has changed. brexit itself must not be seen to be tarnished by prime minister who simply never believed in it. but with great respect, there are people who have been trying for thousands of hours to make what you promised happen. no, they haven't. they clearly can't. no, they cart! commissioner kinnock told me in 2001, as he was then, following on from giscard d'estaing, if you want to leave the eu and have a free—trade deal we will do that with you, the utterly bizarre thing about the two and a half years of theresa may as prime minister is we haven't even asked for a trade deal. she made it clearfrom even asked for a trade deal. she made it clear from the florence speech onwards, she wanted to opt backin speech onwards, she wanted to opt back in two parts of the eu. no
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wonder angela merkel said this week mrs may wants to stay part of europe, and that just mrs may wants to stay part of europe, and thatjust about mrs may wants to stay part of europe, and that just about sums mrs may wants to stay part of europe, and thatjust about sums up this agreement. you are talking about the future, we are still dealing with the divorce deal, this is the withdrawal moment. what would you do now in theresa may's position? there is no future deal because what she signed up to ipsos trapped in that duty inside a customs union unable to make our own laws, stuck with open borders, and no doubt the sort of 40—60 billion pounds would be considered high. there is only one thing to do with this, the worst deal in history, to put it in the bin. have you read it? i've read some of it and my lawyer has read all 585 pages, the more i learn the less i like it. you have not read the whole document? no, i suppose i could take three days off and do so, i suppose, anybody that comes on to your show and says they
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have read it all and quoted verbatim, they are probably a liar. you know better than i, here in westminster the atmosphere is febrile, we use that word far too often, but it does sum up where we are. the people watching you right now are saying, in the real world we are quite frightened because politics, from whatever side comes from, has let us down. that's right, politics has betrayed something, not just referendum vote but a general election vote as well in which 85% of people voted for parties that said we are leaving the single market, we are leaving the european union's institutions, only to find that effectively they have been betrayed by the government and by parliament. so, it is a very sad moment in a way that we have got to in terms of british democracy but there is a ray of hope. i think all these resignations today signal the end of this prime minister who never believed in brexit. there is now a real opportunity to get somebody who
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isa real opportunity to get somebody who is a brexiteer with vision into that job and the country will unite behind. name a name. i can think of two or three who could do it very, very well. i'm not going to put a curse on any one of them. people around me shouting "people's vote! " is that way forward? we have had the people's vote and they can't accept it, it is extraordinary, but these are the powerful global forces, it, it is extraordinary, but these are the powerful globalforces, it is big money, big politics, and it cannot accept concept of a nation state in europe being independent. we have had the vote. we do not need to do it again. and if we did do it againi to do it again. and if we did do it again i suspect the leave vote would be even bigger. so, what you seem to be even bigger. so, what you seem to be saying is, if we leave without a deal, that is still the best option? we voted to be independent. we voted to ta ke we voted to be independent. we voted to take back control of our laws, our money and our borders prime
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minister, a phrase that you seem to use over and over without actually meaning it. we didn't for any specific deal. i still think that the right route would be a genuine free—trade agreement, after all the eu has signed them with canada and other countries. but if they decide that they are not really worried about bmws and champagne, and about all the products that come to this country, then we will leave on world trade organisation bowl darmon rules and become an independent state and make a success of it. do you think you are a divisive character?” think the attempt to close down debate, to demonise anybody that dare talk about immigration controls as racist and extremist, i think it is no wonder after years of suppression that characters like me we re suppression that characters like me were able to punch of the political class, and they don't like it. nigel farage, thank you for your time. thank you forjoining us. the political correspondent at the macro
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spectator and politico's chief uk political correspondent join spectator and politico's chief uk political correspondentjoin me now. where is your assessment of what theresa may needs to do in the next hour when she addresses the media? what are her options? she doesn't have that many options. she is so wedded to her brexit deal as she proposed it, the deal agreed with brussels, that i think she needs to continue her message, which is that she thinks her weight is the best way and good for the country. there is an idea there might be some movement. one of the lines we have heard today is that this is a draft agreement so she might play that a ba g u ette to agreement so she might play that a baguette to get people onside. we might —— play that up a bit. all of theresa may's critics still don't have a solution they agree on and that's what they have to talk about. tom, in terms of the performance of the prime minister today, three hours on herfeet, attending the prime minister today, three hours on her feet, attending to every detail on this deal. just
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hearing that nigel farage has not read all of the pages. though she have a case to say that this is the only deal and the option now is a no deal. is that the gamble she will ta ke to deal. is that the gamble she will take to parliament if she gets that far? i think is the only option she has. there is truth to it, the european union are saying to the uk, this is the deal and we're not going move on this. they believe that fundamentally whether it is a brexiteer prime minister or this prime minister, that these are the rules, this is the offer we are making to you, accept it. this is similarto making to you, accept it. this is similar to the greece situation when they were offered bailout terms, the government collapsed and in came alex tsipras and he went back to brussels and accepted the terms. that is how they see this working at. how threatened is she by the 1922 committee letters that jacob rees—mogg, who was among those handing one in today, will they get to the 48? we have been saying they will get to 48 for over a year and
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it's getting close but it does feel like something has changed. i was there at jacob like something has changed. i was there atjacob rees—mogg's press conference and he was keen to point out it wasn't a coup because they we re out it wasn't a coup because they were being transparent in what they we re were being transparent in what they were going for. what's interesting is the european research group, backbench eurosceptic mps, they are unified in or sending backbench eurosceptic mps, they are unified in orsending in backbench eurosceptic mps, they are unified in or sending in letters yet, some of them don't want to send letters in yet. it is highly likely we could get to the 48 but we do not have this concentrated effort and the brexiteers are still slightly divided and that helps theresa may. if this was a cool and they were out there with their banners, whose face is on them? they do not have a leadership candidate, jacob rees—mogg assaidi was on him and it looked very much like it was him today, or steve baker, his sidekick, who appeared to be his media officer getting questions. but he was the star of the show. he named a number of names, boris johnson, star of the show. he named a number of names, borisjohnson, esther mcvey, penny mordaunt, dominic raab. but all of those candidates would face the same problem that theresa
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may faces. they do not have a majority in parliament to do what they want to do. it's exactly the same problem as theresa may. tom and katie, thank you. it is quite an atmosphere at westminster. thank you for joining atmosphere at westminster. thank you forjoining us. let's go to brussels where it is probably a bit calmer. ros atkins is there for us. just about anywhere is calmer than westminster at the moment, simon, but you are right, we don't have the same political drama in brussels can nonetheless, everyone is watching what is happening in westminster closely, and all the while preparations are under way for that special summit now slated for the 25th of november. we can speak to the chief economist at the european policy centre live in brussels. when you look at the deal, how do you characterise the economic relationship between the eu and the uk going into the transition, fabian zuleeg? transition we will have exactly the same economic relation we had up until now, it is time—limited, and then we will see
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whether we end up in the backstop, but for the moment, the priority from an eu perspective is to get this deal done, to make sure we don't have the prospect of no deal. in terms of what would follow with the backstop, if it was used, are you satisfied from the eu perspective that it has mitigated against the risk, to use the phrase of donald tusk? there are some member states who are a little worried, but there will still be a lot of negotiation, there will be a lot of negotiation, there will be a lot of negotiation, there will be a lot of detail which still has to go into the withdrawal agreement, there are some issues which haven't actually been specified, for example, we don't know how long the extension to transition might be, so there is still quite a bit to go, but overall, member states feel that this protects interests and the single market. we have been listening to nigel farage, he and other supporters of brexit say theresa may could have asked for much more in terms of more freedom
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ofan much more in terms of more freedom of an economic relationship that is in the process of being sketched out, do you think that is realistic? nigel farage does not really know what he's talking about, this is not a long—term relationship, this is the article 50 negotiation, we are talking about... his references to how the backstop is described and how the backstop is described and how we start to understand what age future trading relationship would be, within those context, you could ask for more from the european union. the future trading relationship will only be defined in the negotiations during transition, this is not about the future trading relationship, this is simply about dealing with article 50, and making sure the uk keeps to the commitments which have been made. as far as the uk could go, the 27 were not willing to a cce pt uk could go, the 27 were not willing to accept any further diluting of their principles. we have heard from angela merkel saying, when everyone assesses this deal, bearing in mind
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the alternative is no deal, how catastrophic would it be for the european union and its economic health for no deal to happen?‘ european union and its economic health for no deal to happen? a no deal scenario is one of huge disruption, it means supply chains which are there in many industries including for example the car industry would be disrupted. but certainly, it would also be something that affects many people, not least eu citizens in the uk, so eve ryo ne not least eu citizens in the uk, so everyone wants to avoid a no deal scenario, but there is also clear understanding that the costs are asymmetric, the uk would be hit much harder. thank you forjoining us, fabian. slightly surreal here to follow all the drama in westminster which is developing by the minute, but also to follow what is happening here in brussels, which is very calm preparations for this slated summit on the 25th of november, we know that ambassadors from the eu member
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states will meet and europe ministers from those same member states will meet as we go through the next few days, all ahead of the leaders from those states coming to town on sunday 25th november, in fairy to sign of this deal with theresa may and the uk government but of course we don't quite know at the moment if theresa may and the government will get to that point. for many of us here it seems a lifetime away, thank you very much. you are watching a special edition of bbc news live from westminster, the headlines: pressure mounts on theresa may after a series of ministerial resignations over her brexit deal, "brexit" secretary dominic raab has gone as well as esther mcvey of work and pensions.” think she needs a "brexit" secretary that will pursue the deal she wants to give to the country with conviction and i don't feel i can do that with good conscience, but i
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respect her and hold in high esteem, i think she should continue but we should is change course. criticism from all sides, as she warns that voting against the deal would put the country back to square one. more uncertainty, more division, a failure to decision on the decision of the british people that we should leave the eu, if we get behind a deal we can bring our country back together and seize the opportunities that lie ahead. labour says the deal is not what the country was promised and the government is falling apart: the government, mr speaker, is in chaos, there are deal risks leaving the country in an indefinite halfway house without a real say. the conservative mp and prominent brexiteerjacob rees—mogg calls for the prime minister to stand down, saying she has not honoured her promises to the nation. theresa may is due to give a news conference in the next half hour. we are live at westminster, theresa
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may is battling to save her "brexit" deal and her own position as prime minister after the resignation of two cabinet ministers and some other junior ministers. a quick look at what has happened so far today: he was followed one hour later by esther mcvey. theresa may has defended her deal in the house of commons, on herfeet for three hours, some critical, from all parties. leading eurosceptic mp jacob rees—mogg has submitted a letter of no confidence. that is where the prime minister
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will be speaking, some way off, as you can see, people not yet in their seats, no doubt a packed news conference later on. here on college green, we can speak with the head of europe and trade policy at the institute of directors. watching this with dismay? concern, from a business perspective we are happy to see that we are getting potentially further away in terms of the deal that has been brought back from the no deal exit but the counterfactual to the parliament voting it down is potentially leaving without a deal, we are looking at the next steps. thing at the deal as it appears at the moment, would that be preferable, any deal rather than the option of no deal? this is a withdrawal agreement, it should not be confused with the future relationship, that will be negotiated once we have an exits treaty. withdrawal agreement moving away from a no deal is the
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most important thing to focus upon from the business perspective. we keep hearing the word uncertainty from a business perspective, that is loathed, would any deal ends that? in terms of the withdrawal agreement, the only way to have a transition, one third of members have been able to do contingency planning, only a transition deal can be achieved through that, that is most important thing to be focused upon. how would you assess where you are, 24 hours after it appeared that theresa may had cabinet backing for this deal, and that has unravelled today? at the moment, as far as we can see, that is the cabinet agreement, there may have been resignations but that is the agreement to have that control of the draft bill brought back yesterday. the next step is to see what the declaration about the future framework looks like, a small summary, that is meant to be expanded over the next few weeks, the next step is to see what that looks like and hope for the deal to be put through the house of commons.
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behind you, people shouting for a people's vote, would that count as uncertainty, if that was a road that we go down? have we hit the end of the road here in terms of a decision that needs making? in terms of uncertainty, anything that introduces risk into the equation about getting us through the withdrawal deal, that is something businesses would have to grapple with. what are the options on the ballot paper? we don't know. the focus remains on the withdrawal agreement, if that is voted down, you have to look at the options. agreement, if that is voted down, you have to look at the optionsm the document at the moment, the issue of the customs union seems crucial, and the end date, there are those that say that we are effectively ceding control of the eu, the one—time when we were supposed to be grabbing it back. the customs union arrangement is in the shape of the backstop, what we are particularly glad to see in the d raft particularly glad to see in the draft text is the provision for extending the transition, that may supersede the need for the backstop
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and may allow us to make sure we have enough time for businesses to make adjustments once any changes come through, it may not be necessary. at the moment in the d raft necessary. at the moment in the draft document, there is an end date, and that is 20xx, what does that need to be? that is when we conclude the future trade relationship negotiation, from the point of view of businesses, it is not extending for the sake of it, it is whenever they conclude, you leave another try for businesses to adjust, they do not plan until they have the text in front of them. that's vote leave enough time. our members expressing dismay with politics and politicians or are they saying, that reflects very much the mood in the country of utter division? there is division, the majority of members did vote to remain, there is an attitude of getting through this with as little uncertainty as possible, a lot of people are effectively saying, move us away from no deal, that is the
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most important part of this, get us into the transition period and we will take it from there. great to speak with you. everybody from business to the city looking today at what is going on here in westminster, also the market is very volatile, the pound is taking a dive earlier in the day as it appeared ministers were resigning almost by the hour. and lots of talk at the moment about who will replace dominic raab as "brexit" secretary, michael gove, the room if, has been offered the post and is considering it. if he turned it down, where does that leave theresa may? we're waiting to hear from the that leave theresa may? we're waiting to hearfrom the prime minister, scheduled to speak in the next 20 minutes or so, behind those doors, the news conference room is ready, we will take you there when we get under way. we can speak with labourmp we get under way. we can speak with labour mp matthew penny cook, how do you express today and where we are right now? what has amazed me, having sat through that statement
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from the prime minister, all three plus hours, she basically said, it is business as usual, nothing has changed. -- matthew pennycook. she was incredibly isolated... i could not count a couple of mps who spoke in support of this deal... maybe a couple... this deal will not pass the house of commons, unravelling at the house of commons, unravelling at the first hurdle, in the press conference in a few minutes' time she will have two acknowledge the strength of feeling on both sides and givea strength of feeling on both sides and give a sense she will go back and give a sense she will go back and at least think again and push for different options. already she has said she has done her best, the other options are not there, the only other option is a no deal. we do not accept the choice before parliament when the vote happens is a binary one between no deal and her deal, there is a range of options on the table, parliament at that point will have its voice heard and will ta ke will have its voice heard and will take control of the process. how? various means in which you could do that, non—binding motions, a whole raft of things, to give a sense of where parliament, where the majority
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of parliament opinion is, the direction the government needs to move. where is the labour party on this, is it, is it, in the words of jeremy corbyn, brexit can't be stopped; is there a sense that this is now an historic moment today, and we could change direction completely? ctrip, and i think... i think the backdrop to all of today, in the wake of a general election defeat in which the public made clear their opposition a hard brexit... she clear their opposition a hard brexit. .. she lost clear their opposition a hard brexit... she lost a majority. she did not lose the election. she lost the majority on the back of a vote where the public made their opposition to a hard brexit clear, she could have reached out across the aisle rather than driving through a now written censors, and the parliamentary arithmetic is a consequence of pursuing that and not listening to concerns on both sides. our concerns are around this deal in particular on the political declaration, the future
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relationship, seven pages long, absolutely no sense, if we approve this, and pay the divorce settlement, where we will end up. we have not got those guarantees that we will not end up with a hard brexit which will have a closer economic relationship of the type we have been arguing for, protecting jobs. that is the problem the prime minister has got. she has got to come out and give a sense notjust responded to labour concerns but concerns across the house that she is listening and open to changing course. are you one of these politicians who says, ok, we know what the people have said, we cannot give them what they want, we will have to ask them against yellow a range of options if this deal is voted down... and the people's vote is one of those? yes, the people's vote is one of those along with asking the prime minister to return with an extension to article 50, to renegotiate a different deal, the preference would be for a general election but a people's vote must be on the table. from the start we have said it is the wrong approach to
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roll out things when you don't need to, keep those options open. the people's vote as to be one of those options. thank you very much for joining us. here's what is happening at downing street, this is the same, famous front door, just a stones from here, in college green. outside the palace of westminster. inside we know the prime minister will be taking to the podium and taking questions. this was a scheduled, this was a scheduled news conference, so, she will be addressing the press at 5pm. remarkably tough they for her, on herfeet remarkably tough they for her, on her feet for remarkably tough they for her, on herfeet for more remarkably tough they for her, on her feet for more than three hours, taking often very detailed questions and, to be fair, giving very detailed answers to questions about the deal that she says is still possible to make its way through parliament. well, just after 9am, the news that dominic raab had
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resigned, problem we shook many in downing street, he has been speaking to our political editor laura kuenssberg about the decision to stand down as brexit secretary and this is what he has had to say.” have been fighting for a good brexit deal, the terms proposed had two major and fatal flaws, the first is, the terms being offered by the eu threaten the integrity of the united kingdom. the second, they would lead to indefinite if not permanent situation where we are locked into regime with no say on the law is being applied, no exit mechanism, i think that would be damaging for the economy but devastating for public trust in our democracy. the prime minister says that is not the case, this deal has managed to avoid both those things. i appreciate we have different views, that is why in fairness, she needs a "brexit" secretary who will pursue what she wa nts to secretary who will pursue what she wants to put the country with conviction, i don't think i can do that in good conscience.” conviction, i don't think i can do that in good conscience. i respect her, i hold her in high esteem, she
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should continue but we need to change course. dominic raab, the now ex—brexit secretary. here's what is happening inside number ten, that is the room where that news conference will be held. somewhat off, by the looks of it, scheduled for 5pm, we will take you back to downing street as we see the prime minister. leading euroscepticjacob as we see the prime minister. leading eurosceptic jacob rees—mogg has submitted a vote of no—confidence in the prime minister and is denying a launch of a coup. the approach is unacceptable, he says. when a policy that has come forward does not meet what we promised our voters, the conservative party referendum on which almost all conservative mps stood said specifically that we should leave the customs union, it did not have any small print about u nless we did not have any small print about unless we have a backstop which is a permanent customs union harder to leave then leaving the european
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union under article 50 full i think ithinka i think a coup is when you use illegitimate procedures to try to overturn someone in office, but we are working through the procedures of the conservative party so it is constitutional and dare i say to newsnight, who is the wrong word. inaudible question what has been achieved today is not brexit and its divides... inaudible question well... well, the law to leave has already been passed, the withdrawal act is through, but what we need is act is through, but what we need is a leader who will say to the european union, it is impossible to divide up the united kingdom, it is impossible to agree to a situation where we have a perpetual customs union, it is impossible to pay £39 billion of taxpayer money for a few promises which was meant to be 39 billion for an implementation of a
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deal, and it is impossible for us to allow the continuing jurisdiction of the european court ofjustice. the problem is, negotiations have given away on all the key points. we have also heard from the chief whip, the man responsible for getting mps in line behind theresa may, julian smith, he told reporters that the prime minister will not be bullied and will not change course. we have and will not change course. we have a deal, that is the most important thing, the prime minister has done a brilliantjob in thing, the prime minister has done a brilliant job in the thing, the prime minister has done a brilliantjob in the negotiating team, we have a november council hopefully and we are moving things on in the best interests of the country, the families, jobs, frictionless trade, and delivering on the promises she has made. she has lost two secretaries. it is a major decision that the cabinet yesterday. not everyone agrees with it but the prime minister is absolutely determined to make sure that this country delivers on
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brexit, delivers on brexit for the country, in the best interests of the country, protecting jobs, family incomes and fostering the united kingdom. inaudible question it isa kingdom. inaudible question it is a difficult policy decision, it is not surprising that some people find the decision very tough but the prime minister will not be bullied and will not change course. we will be looking forward to the november counsel. labour's david lambie and the conservative peter bone has been giving reaction to today's events. ten days to ratify the deal, leadership challenge, i suspect, against theresa may in that period, whether she remains prime minister, we are not clear, what is absolutely clear is it cannot get this deal through parliament so my opinion is politics is stuck, it will remain stuck here in westminster for some time, the only way out of this is to somehow go
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back to the people. you put your letter in some time ago, what are you hoping this process within your party is going to... i have always wanted the policy to change, not necessarily the prime minister, but when the prime minister wants change the policy, the only way to change the policy, the only way to change the policy, the only way to change the policy is to change the prime minister, we probably agree that brexit agreement put forward is unacceptable, so it seems to me that what will happen is, if the agreement ever reaches the house of commons, it will be voted down and by the act of parliament that parliament has passed, we will come out on the 29th of march with wto rules. will it get to parliament? nothing would surprise me at the moment, ministers resigning from the cabinet, junior ministers resigning... leading mp saying they are putting letters in light jacob rees—mogg, i do think there is a likelihood of a leadership
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challenge, and whoever the new leader is will take forward new policy. quite interested, when listed the options, general election was not there. that is a possibility, the point is, in our constitutional system, if the politics is broken and westminster is stuck, usually, there is a general election or on this occasion there could be a referendum on theresa may's deal to the public, like a deal which would give a mandate for politicians to fall into line, or do they want to... would you rather this house have this safe first? it will have a say but as night follows day, theresa may cut a very lonely figure in the house today... not for the first time, she has been through similar fights before. on this occasion she lost the dup, labour will not vote for it, the dup will not, quite a lot affirmed and members won't vote for it. if the option is a no deal, are
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you convinced that every mp will vote against it? i'm not sure that is the option, obviously there is a no deal but equally, there will be amendments to this deal, and part of that amendment could be go back to the british people and say, do you like this deal? and, when you seek democracy again, then the politicians must fall into line, thatis politicians must fall into line, that is what happens. we are a divided country now, any future vote would divide us even further and more strongly. the whole point of the referendum in 2016 was to make a decision, leave or stay? because we had a divided nation, a significant majority for leaving the year, that is what the government should have delivered, unfortunately, the draft agreement does not deliver that and thatis agreement does not deliver that and that is why we have a problem. what you say to constituents to say, i am quite frightened by what is going on because we have never known such a period of uncertainty? every
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saturday i talk to my constituents, not a single one has said that... they might now! they say, get on and deliver brexit. we have voted to leave, get on and leave. a lot of remainers say the same, they voted remain, they accept the result, just get on and do it. i don't recognise that, i think we are in a muddle, this is not deliverable. she was handed a sticky wicket in the first place, she tried her best, the only way out of this is a general election or a people's vote on the deal. david lambie and peter bone talking to our presenters simon mccoy who has been keeping us up to date live on westminster about what has been a very dramatic day. we have had, of course, the resignation of the brexit secretary, dominic
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raab, at nine o'clock this morning, he said he could not in all fairness continue to promote the deal and decided to resign as brexit secretary, there are now suggestions that hisjob has been secretary, there are now suggestions that his job has been offered to michael gove, environment secretary. michael gove, environment secretary. michael gove, environment secretary. michael gove is said to be considering the offer, but wants to change the entire approach if he is going to accept it. pictures of michael gove, we have not heard from him in person, pretty silent since that long cabinet meeting yesterday. prime minister due to be speaking live in downing street at five o'clock, we will of course bring that to you live here on bbc news. we know that the leader of the
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european research group leader, jacob rees—mogg, has handed in his letter calling for the prime minister to resign. the number of letters demanding a contest may have reached 48, that is the number required to trigger a vote. you can see the scene live in downing street, we will be there for all the latest, stay with us here on bbc news. preparations in downing street for the news conference, a lot of speculation of course as to what her message will be, will she continue to try to fight to defend her deal, will we get news on a possible leadership contest, stay with us on all of that. before that, let's catch up with the weather forecast. staying quiet through the rest of
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the day, many areas keeping dry weather and sunshine, plenty of sunshine earlier in the day. very mild aircoming in sunshine earlier in the day. very mild air coming in from north africa, across spain and the uk. boosting temperatures up to 17 degrees, look what happens as we go through the weekend and into next week map bang, we draw in cold easterly winds, hammering temperatures, instead of top temperatures, instead of top temperatures around 17 degrees, a numberofareas temperatures around 17 degrees, a number of areas towards the middle of next week which struggle to reach highs of six or seven. weather is pretty quiet, areas of cloud, particularly affecting southern england, a bit of rain trying to edgein england, a bit of rain trying to edge in the north wind west. the gilbert of cloud across the south, many areas fine and dry, sunny
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spells towards the evening time, north and west, cloud thickens, outbreaks of rain arriving here, quite breezy. temperatures you might expect if you have a journey planned for around 5pm, ten to 13 degrees, something like that. through this evening and overnight, rain pushes east across scotland, while weakening, clearing skies across areas, some patches of frost developing in the coldest areas, for england and wales, fairly cloudy, mist and hill fog patches to be expected on into friday morning. murky start to the day for some, that cloud could be stubborn, occasional brighter spells, the best of the weather will be reserved for northern areas of scotland. sunshine should put in an appearance, pretty mild. still mild across—the—board, temperatures edging down a little bit and that is the trend, continuing into the weekend as the
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area of high pressure reorientate into scandinavia and we start to drag much colder easterly winds. temperatures dropping, a lot of dry weather, look at those temperatures into the middle of next week it will get much, much, much colder. here at westminster, the government in turmoil as the prime minister faces opposition to plans for brexit, she is due to make a statement at any moment. this is the scene live inside number ten downing street, where theresa may is due to speak to members of the press and media in the next few minutes. earlier, a series of ministerial resignations, including that of the brexit secretary, dominic raab, who said that the prime minister's plan had fatal flaws. said that the prime minister's plan had fatalflaws. in said that the prime minister's plan had fatal flaws. in venice, said that the prime minister's plan had fatalflaws. in venice, i think she needs a brexit secretary who will pursue the deals he wants to put to the country. i cannot do that in good conscience, but i hold her in high esteem, i think she should
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