hello, it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. shocking footage filmed on a mobile phone shows two police officers being being attacked in south london. we'll show you the video in a few minutes. now this man, who represents rank and file officers in london says if the public doesnt back the police, they may have to let violent suspects go. so what would you do if saw a police officer being asssaulted 7 also, sending someone an unsolicited picture of your genitals isn't necessarily illegal. two thirds of people think it should be, according to a bbc 5 live poll today. we'll talk to this woman says she receives two or three such unsolicited images a day, and a man who says he does send explicit selfies — but never uninvited. and we'll bring you the latest brexit blind date — where we send two well known people with opposing views on a blind date. today it's the turn of fertility specialist, tv presenter and labour peer professor robert winston and reality tv star aisleyne horgan—wallace

who made her name on big brother. all this? not more than usual. the ebullient young women always frightened me. ebullient? as long as it was not mean i am fat. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we're going to talk much more about that horrific video recorded by someone on their mobile phone as two police officers are being assaulted — what would you do if you saw that happening? would you intervene? is it safer perhaps to stay out of things like this. would you simply film it? and what is the official advice from the police themselves to members of the public? we'll ask them. email victoria@bbc.co. uk use the hastag

victoria live here's annita with a summary of the days news. the prime minister is facing renewed difficulties over her brexit plans. the dup did not back a number of finance bills last night, the northern ireland party is thought to be flexing its muscles because its unhappy about her draft brexit withdrawal deal. but we did tonight as we abstained on the number of votes, we voted with the labour party, none of them have financial consequences but all of them were designed to send a political message to the government, we have got an

agreement with you, you have got to keep your side of the bargain otherwise we will feel obliged not to keep ours. a doctor, a newly graduated pharmacist and a police officer have died after a gun battle outside a hospital in chicago. the gunman was seen arguing with the doctor who he and in a relationship with, before shooting her and turning his gun on others. the gunman who hasn't been named as died, the motive is not yet known. those officers that responded today saved a lot of lives because the sky was just shooting, that pure woman who got off the elevator had nothing to do with nothing, was shot. there is no doubt in my mind all those officers that responded our heroes and they said they'd. lives because we just and they said they'd. lives because wejust don't and they said they'd. lives because we just don't know how much damage was prepared to do. a report by the home office says the use of so—called legal highs has fallen dramatically since they were banned in 2016. but the supply of the drugs has gone underground. before the

band legal highs were sold openly in specialist stores but the report says street dealers and now the main source of supply. now officially known as new psychoactive substances they mimic the effects of other drugs like cocaine, cannabis and ecstasy. white house officials have confirmed the bank account, daughter of the president and special advisors used a private account to send hundreds of e—mails concerning government business. is it the m essa 9 es government business. is it the messages which were sent after she joined the administration last year contained no classified information. in 2016 herfather contained no classified information. in 2016 her father donald trump accused hillary clinton appeared in the us in danger over her use of a private e—mail account while secretary of state. the chairman of cargiant nissan is secretary of state. the chairman of car giant nissan is facing the sack after he was arrested injapan callas is —— ghosn is accused of underreporting his salary by about

£35 million over a five—year period. company shares have fallen sharply. the number of people known to have died in the california wildfires has risen to 79. heavy rain is expected bringing relief to firefighters dry to extinguish the deadly wildfires but there are also fears the downpour could cause mudslides and further hamper the search for a further hamper the search for a further 700 people still unaccounted for. the duchess of sussex met the singer is from take that as she attended the royal bratty performance for the first time. the royal couple were also entertained by singers rick astley, george ezra and the cast of hamilton during the annual charity galer at the london palladium. that is a summary of unions. tory, back to you. thank you. by the way we will bring you the latest on brexit and the attempted plot by some converative mps to get rid of the pm. this morning theresa may prepares to meet her reshuffled cabinet for the first time. do get in touch with us

throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. a police officer is assaulted every four minutes according to the police federation of england and wales, the union for rank and file police. now an incident in which two police officers were filmed by a member of the public as they were attacked in south london has triggered a plea to the public — back us up or we may have to start letting violent suspects go. we'll talk to the man making that plea in just a moment — he's the chairman of the metropolitan police federation. first lets take a look at the video — which has been shared many times on social media — and we should warn you that it contains distressing images of violence throughout — and we should also tell you that despite the nature of the attack neither of the officers was seriously injured. look at this. people fighting,

police stopped everybody fighting. they've gotten. he's hanging on to him, look! hejust kicked, in he just kicked, in the hejust kicked, in the head! look! i'm getting this all live! i'm getting this live, boys and girls. just having a little watch. one has had enough. they've got him! ken marsh is here, the chairman of the metropolitan police federation.

he represents £30,000 officers from the force. ina in a moment, chief constable andy rhodes willjoin us. he's the national police chiefs' council lead for the wellbeing of police officers. ken marsh, what shocks you most. members of the public walking by as this is the normal, a member of the public filming this, doing a mocking commentary, two of my colleagues are being seriously assaulted, very seriously assaulted and this is about, is this becoming normal now, this is becoming acceptable that we canjust don't this is becoming acceptable that we can just don't constantly police officers executing their warrant, do absolutely nothing about it and it isa absolutely nothing about it and it is a big joke? absolutely nothing about it and it is a bigjoke? it's absolutely nothing about it and it is a big joke? it's not a joke for my colleagues, they are being seriously assaulted, as you said four minutes across the country, it has got to stop and everyone has to

buy in. we see in the footage one man takes a run up and kung fu kicking an officer who nearly lands in front of a bus. could someone had been killed? absolutely, but i'm not going to speak about this specific incident, there has been an arrest and it is subject to the law and everything that goes with that these incidents are pretty much the same, when an officer could be killed by being seriously assaulted by members of the public, broken noses, arms, legs, this is a regular occurrence and we seem to, i don't know, it's as if it's normal, this is the behaviour, as soon as the least get out of their car, get out your phones, film them, get some salacious stuff so you can get it out there. let me bring in chief co nsta ble out there. let me bring in chief constable andy rhodes. good morning. first of all, what do you think of the footage? it's sickening and everything that ken says, i agree

with him, we had an incident like a sure not too long ago, people filmed it and dry to glorify an officer who was struggling to detain someone, dry to bite them and i was three clear on this, is this the type of society that we want to live in because these officers and many other emergency service workers are around 24—7, dry to keep us safe and collectively as ken says we need to make a clear statement that this is unacceptable. is it the normal? i think it is becoming more normal, thenl think it is becoming more normal, then ijoined think it is becoming more normal, then i joined a job think it is becoming more normal, then ijoined a job there wasn't social media, iphones, people seem obsessed novelist trying to get hits on social media but i think it is more sinister, these people are refining some of the attacks on emergency service refining some of the attacks on emergency service workers, police officers, ambulances being damaged, police cars being damaged and you know, this is british policing relying on the fact that officers

feel confident to get close to the public, to keep us safe stop we are respected around the world for that style of policing and i think what you will see is more and more police office rs you will see is more and more police officers wanting to be given more protection, given more resources to understandably protect themselves while they are protecting us.|j understandably protect themselves while they are protecting us. i will come back to the protection of officers in a moment, ken marsh, you seem to be seen as the result of this that unless members of the public back—up officers then they may have to let some violent suspects go, is that accurate? i'm not for one minute asking the public tojump in with every not for one minute asking the public to jump in with every incident. what are you asking them to do? we are highly trained and good off at what we do, a dynamic risk assessment will be done by an officer and in a situation as you showed at the beginning of the video, if they can't deal with at the third baquba will stand back and wait for back—up, if that means there is a liberal walk away that will be the case, we have a right to protect

ourselves under common law and reading to start executing that more and more so the government wakes up to what is going on. when you said as you did in the last 2a hours if we're not going to be backed up on what we are doing then what's the point? be specific about what you we re point? be specific about what you were saying. the specifics of what i just said quite clearly if we assess there and then, think i am going to get seriously hurt by continuing but iam doing get seriously hurt by continuing but i am doing and executing my warrant i will step back and will continue until assistance arrives someone helps me, quite simply. one being possibly a member of the public. absolutely but i'm not saying the public has to jump absolutely but i'm not saying the public has tojump in, we are trained, they are not, some members of the public all the time willjump m, of the public all the time willjump in, fight or flight of the public all the time willjump in, fight orflight is of the public all the time willjump in, fight or flight is what i of the public all the time willjump in, fight orflight is what i use, other members of the public quite rightly don't feel safe to do so and i accept that but we have to start looking carefully because of our numbers and everything that is happening, how we deal with this. andy rhodes, what is your advice to

members of the public if they see police officers being attacked? well, the thing i think we need to draw a distinction from, members of the public who are trying to help us by filming for evidential purposes, calling the police, letting them know there's something going on because it could well be that officer has lost contact with the control room and members of the public who glorify this and even get involved in an assault that is ongoing as a criminal act. and i think it's the second one we are trying to talk about because as ken says, this isn't a green light for happy goal heroes, many members of the public do incredibly brave things to keep us safe as well as themselves on a day—to—day basis. all we are saying is there is a difference between helping us and hindering us and glorifying some of the things that are being filmed at the things that are being filmed at the moment. be absolutely clear do you want help from members of the public of your officers are being assaulted? we are trained to deal

with violent incidents, if at office rs with violent incidents, if at officers would they are not in a position to make a safe arrest without being harmed able back off and wait for more support. we are not seen to members of the public we expect you to get involved in physical islands on the streets, but we are saying is there are ways and means of helping us and some of the things we are seeing, are hindering us. things we are seeing, are hindering us. the metropolitan police back that up, they say only intervene if you can safely do so. i've been asking viewers this morning what would they do if they so this, ken on twitter says of course i would intervene, i could not live with myself if i did not. as a former soldier i know voted us to serve my country but one difference between me and these officers, i wasn't in harms way every time i put on my uniform, they deserve more of us and oui’ uniform, they deserve more of us and our commitment. daniel says i would dive right in and told officers. bose says i would not intervene in a fight like this regardless if it was

the police are not because i would be to skirt i might get stabbed, i would call extra police and tanya says this, call the police, i would probably intervene. and i have had some comments saying why should the public intervene when not that long ago we saw a senior metropolitan police officer or we learned that a senior metropolitan police officer locked themselves in the car during the westminster attacks and he was yards away from a terrorist, even though the chief coroner and the metropolitan police said what's craig mackey did was sensible and proper but are audience says why should we help? if that's the example from one senior officer. the reason the public should help at times if they feel it's safe to do so is because there is a common purpose and they are law—abiding citizens as we all are and let's face it, we are talking about 99.9% of society that is law—abiding. you know, most of them i think would

wa nt to know, most of them i think would want to assist us, would want to help because we are human beings and why would you want to stand back and watch a human being being beaten in ways we are seeing across the country? it's not acceptable, it's about common decency, we police by consent. andy rhodes, we should say, one man in that footage doors help, one man in that footage doors help, one member of the public helps, its the person, i don't know if it's a man, i've made that assumption but that somebody wearing a crash on that, it is a man, is it? it's not that, it is a man, is it? it's not that everybody walked on by, is it? it's not and last night here in lancashire we had our bravery awards ceremony and we had three members of the public who came in, very sensibly, proportionately supported our officers in very dangerous situations. because they did human thing. they did it with a real good degree of common sense, they did not jump degree of common sense, they did not jump on to a situation they could not handle. the other point i would make, if!

not handle. the other point i would make, if i was stood there as a memberof the make, if i was stood there as a member of the public and i saw someone filming this and glorifying iti someone filming this and glorifying it i would go to them and say, i think what you're is unacceptable, that has an impact in itself, someone needs to be challenging other members of the public when they think this sort of thing is ok to do. a new law is due to come into effect this month that doubles the maximum jail term that can be handed out attacking a member of the emergency services from six to 12 months. will it make a difference? i've fought massively for this, it's just coming to legislation, absolutely but it needs to be used, this is the whole point, the legislation is there to protect our collea g u es legislation is there to protect our colleagues and send a very clear message if you assaulted a police officer this is what will happen to you but it needs to be used in a court correct so people start understanding you cannot behave in the way they are behaving. thank you both very much for coming on the programme. kym marsh and chief co nsta ble programme. kym marsh and chief constable andy rhodes. —— ken marsh.

many many comments from you, i will read some more before 11am, i promise. still to come. we have the latest in our brilliant brexit first dates series, where we send two well known people with opposing views on a blind lunch date. today its the turn of celebrated fertility specialist professor robert winston and aisleyne horgan—wallace, a reality tv star who made her name on big brother. let me make an assertion, i think what we are beginning to see is the slow inevitable decline of the united kingdom. no, ithink slow inevitable decline of the united kingdom. no, i think what we are starting to see is europe crapping themselves because if we leave, others will follow suit.|j think they are probably laughing, actually. the prime minister theresa may

is chairing her first cabinet meeting since two members resigned over her proposed brexit withdrawal agreement last week. meanwhile a group of euro—sceptic mps lead by tory backbencher jacob rees—mogg are also meeting to talk amongst other things about plans to oust mrs may as prime minister becasue they hate her withdrawal agreemnt so much. agreement so much. more than 20 mps have so far signalled they have no confidence in theresa may's leadership — way short of the 48 mp's needed to trigger a vote of no—confidence, which could lead to a leadership contest. let's talk to norman... is mrs may‘s position seemingly stronger by the day? she seems to be gradually clawing her way out, she's not through it by any means, she has to win this common sport which is extraordinary difficult at this be no more resignations, she has a new cabinet meeting this morning, no sign any of them will flounce out and crucially them will flounce out and crucially the threatened great revolt simply hasn't happened, it seems to have fizzled out in a mixture of disarray

and division amongst the brexiteers. and you know, it begins to look as if mrs may is gathering a bit of momentum again, we know she's off to brussels tomorrow to try and sign of the second part of the agreement which looks at our futures are the political and trade ties withjohn colejunker, political and trade ties withjohn cole junker, she hopes political and trade ties withjohn colejunker, she hopes to have bad place tomorrow and we moved to the eu summit at the weekend. meantime, the brexiteers are looking a little bit on the back foot, they have a press co nfe re nce bit on the back foot, they have a press conference this morning to try and set out their alternative proposals and well, just have a look at some of them arriving. jacob rees mogg as he turned up. good morning, good morning everyone. we will have to wait and see. for at the letters? we will just to wait and see. for at the letters? we willjust have to wait and see.

jacob, that is the trouble, we are still waiting, no obvious sign the letters will go in, sir graham brady, the head of the tory backbenchers sounded as if he was more concerned about the traffic than his post. just listen. thank you very much. good morning. a lot of traffic in south london. you have 48 letters yet? and while all this is going on those allies of mrs may i beginning to sound increasingly bullish, even, that of, here is david cork. i have to say the idea that in the middle of a very delicate negotiation, that is hugely important to the future of this country that we should remove the prime minister, essentially leave us leaderless for you know, certainly several weeks, possibly months, would be hugely responsible. —— gaulk. and what the country would

expect from the conservative party is we get behind the prime minister and make sure she can deliver a good deal for the country, that is what we are on course to do and i don't think people should be talking about removing her at this point, i think that would his self—indulgent and dangerous for the country. so, very, very farfrom over dangerous for the country. so, very, very far from over but given for the prime minister was last week things are looking quite a bit better at this week. and we learn that if she manages to get the eu to sign of a deal this weekend then we could have opted to weeks of parliamentary debate on mrs may's brexit deal ahead of the crucial meaningful vote, days and days and days of debate about this deal! norman, thank you. let's talk to conservative mp chris green, who wants rid of his boss.

and moni varma, the chairman of veetee rice. he is a conservative supporter and was in the list of 100 biggest conservative party donors in 2016. he's one of tory party's biggest donors, and says his last donation was around £10k. he's told me he is worth about £200 million. good morning, both of you, chris, do you feel a bit silly? no, it's a difficult time at the moment, their withdrawal agreement proposals have just been announced, the prime minister heading to brussels to make progress on, the spanish talking about gibraltar... and you plan to as the prime ministers, do you think some of your colleagues lied about sending in letters to try and get rid of her, what... i can't talk for other colleagues but it is a process that will take weeks. it's not what we we re that will take weeks. it's not what we were told on friday. i did not tell you that, people were still about getting in the letters that is up about getting in the letters that is up to them, there is a process, there has to be a vote in parliament andi there has to be a vote in parliament

and i think people are really concerned about the deal, it's almost already wrote down the supply and demand deal with the dup. if we do not have the majorityjohn mcdonnell is already talking about a general election based upon this. two thirds of the house of commons have to talk about a general election. the government is in a very ethical position. if they don't have an agreement with the dup, what can we do if the dup doesn't support us? tell chris green, you as a conservative supporter you who donated to the party 40 think of him trying to get rid of prime minister? i think, chris, trying to get rid of prime minister? ithink, chris, this trying to get rid of prime minister? i think, chris, this is the wrong time to get good of the prime minister. it is the right time. well, we've gone so far, this indecisiveness, nobody knows in which direction we are going ultimately has led to businesses not making investments they could have done, take us for instance, two

years ago as brexit was announced we put a stop to a 10 million investment here, i and the worst affect that, if we should follow the wto rules. what should chris green and his fellow backbenchers who sent in these letters to try and trigger a no—confidence vote do?|j in these letters to try and trigger a no-confidence vote do? i don't think anyone can do better, there is a lot of transparency, she must have fought her corner very well, i am not greatest fan, i can tell you but, in view of the circumstances she has been given, i think let's go ahead and get a deal and try and work, the country is very resilient, people are resilient and i am sure we will find after one or two steps backward we will find a better tomorrow. there speaks a businessman. if we lock ourselves into a bad deal the european union has no interest in getting us out of it, also the likelihood is that we will be in a backstop with no ability to take our way out of this,

this will cause a huge division for northern ireland and actually at those problems in northern ireland politically, the dup cannot support the government, that prevents us doing any good things at all, we will be able to negotiate the next stage and the snp will see special rules for northern ireland, they bombed special rules for scotland, this will bring about the break—up of the united kingdom if we go down this track. what dismisses need is certainty and if we are stuck in the backstop deal in perpetuity because they have a right to veto sleeping at... which we may never go into this backstop scenario, not one wa nts this backstop scenario, not one wants that, it's only if we don't get a free trade deal and the transition period is not extended. get a free trade deal and the transition period is not extendedlj transition period is not extended.” haven't seen any evidence or for the eu is in supporting united kingdom and certainly with the spanish bringing gibraltar into this at this late stage they have no interest in supporting our interest. chris, obviously when both sides are slightly unhappy that is the deal thatis slightly unhappy that is the deal that is going to happy —— happen,

there is never going to be a deal for the uk is very happy with the europeans are extremely happy, each side has got to be unhappy to a certain extent and we have got to find a better tomorrow from there.” ta ke find a better tomorrow from there.” take the opposite view, i think the eu cannot be happy but we can be happy and the steel will do it, there are all sorts of other trading relationships, proposals at the prime minister could focus on. they wouldn't necessarily have a majority in parliament. the question at the moment... no, no. the wto rules are the default, can we do better, that is the question. the ottoman question is not going to be do we wa nt question is not going to be do we want this deal or the steel of the steel, the question will be world trade organization, all... but we will not have the numbers without.” don't think there will be the numbers ——i don't think there will be the numbers —— i don't think people are keen on this. there is not the majority people save for mrs may's deal, for what you suggest for the

other brexiteers suggest and for no deal. there is no majority of what's being proposed at the moment, no majority for a lot of other deals but ultimately we have to leave the european union, we do so on the 29th of march and having a better deal than wto rules is there, and option, but... you havejust than wto rules is there, and option, but... you have just told than wto rules is there, and option, but... you havejust told me than wto rules is there, and option, but... you have just told me there is not a majority parliament. what is not a majority parliament. what is the point? the starting point is wto, £39 billion, that's how much the prime minister is willing to give to the european union. we ought to be able to negotiate a better deal and those people who don't want to leave out all their choice will be wto or a better deal. you know, regardless, wto or a better deal, she in her wisdom and with all of the support she has, she obviously has a bird's eye view and has accepted certain less than a cce pta ble accepted certain less than acceptable conditions from the european union but if you go into wto, companies like ourselves, we have tens of millions, close to

about 100 million worth of plant and investment, there is no rice grown here, these mills were set up in the european union... you got your rice from india, africa. but it is milled here, ona from india, africa. but it is milled here, on a preferential tariff. but despite that, here out, despite that, my business could be adversely affected but if i am thinking, i am thinking on behalf of the country andl thinking on behalf of the country and i think even if they chose to join wto it would adversely affect my business but whatever it is you have to make a decision now. final work, chris green. you hurt your cabinet minister david template to say this morning what you're doing and people like on the conservative backbenchesis and people like on the conservative backbenches is self—indulgent and dangerous. automatically this is about democracy and the deal the prime ministers proposing will not deliver for the british prime ministers proposing will not deliverfor the british people prime ministers proposing will not deliver for the british people vote for. ok, thank you both very much. coming up...

things get a little heated in the latest in our brexit first dates series, where we send two well known people with opposing views on a lunch date. today reality tv star aisleyne horgan—wallace meets fertility specialist professor robert winston. let me make an assertion, because i have made a view, i think what we are beginning to see is the slow, inevitable decline of the united kingdom. no, i think inevitable decline of the united kingdom. no, ithink what inevitable decline of the united kingdom. no, i think what we are starting to see is europe crapping themselves because if we leave, others will follow suit.” themselves because if we leave, others will follow suit. i think they are probably laughing, actually. it is tuesday morning, just gone 10:30am. next, we're going to talk about a sexually explicit subject — so if you have children around you probably won't want them to watch — the chat will last about ten minutes if you want to come back to us later. two out of three british adults say it should be a crime to send an unsolicited image of your genitals to someone else, according to a poll for bbc 5 live.

mps fear the problem is becoming more prevalent, although the ministry ofjustice says legislation already exists to tackle the problem. the survey was done as part of the sex takeover — discussions about sexual attitudes taking place on 5 live throughout the day. the research also found that half of uk adults say their school sex education did not prepare them for their sex life.? and it found that three in five people would sleep with someone with differing political views to their their own. let's talk with writer and former model, stina sanders, who says that at one point she was being subjected to two or three unsolicited images of genitals or dick pics a day. ? former big brother contestant lewis gregory who says he last sent one three days ago to a woman on snapchat — but never sends them unsolicited.

and maria miller is the conservative mp who chairs the women and equalities select committee. welcome, all of you. lewis, why do you send pictures of your genitals to women on snapchat? well... after about... a few messages prior to sending them, you know, the mood gets there, you know? we speak for a while and somehow the topic comes up and, you know, i'm a young guy, obviously talking to young girls and eventually we share a picture or two. and have they always asked for that or do you suggested? how does it work? sometimes i might suggest it, keyword, suggest, i don'tjust send me the goods, it, i get a bit flirty and suggested, or they might as

well. i might receive a picture of her renee bubble bath, you know? getting there, sort of thing. or i might send one like that and itjust gets there in the end, you know? are both ok. stina, what do you think of that? personally, i never like receiving images that are unsolicited, but if you are asking somebody is this 0k, can i send you something and you are getting consent, i don't see an issue, that is totally fine, whatever two people wa nt is totally fine, whatever two people want to do in their relationship, but an unsolicited one, i do not agree with it at all. so you do or did receive two or three unsolicited images of a bloke's genitals? every day, yes. how come? i write in my journalism a lot about sex, dating and relationships and people think that

is an open relationship, she wants to talk about sex, i will give her something she wants. people assume it is an invitation when it is really not. i get two or three a day. how do you feel when you receive them? to be honest, it has happened over three to five years now and i am quite desensitised to it. when i first started receiving it. when i first started receiving it hit was really shocking and awful, and i do want to see it. a couple of times i would message the people back to say why are you doing this? who are you? i don't know you. what is the answer? lots of people do not respond but some people say, i wanted to say hello. well, say hello! there are lots of ways to do that. maria miller, have you ever received a so—called dick pic? maria miller, have you ever received a so-called dick pic? i did on twitter and i thought it was ridiculous. i think what is really disturbing about this conversation

is that almost half of young women who receive dick pics are under the age of 18, so people sending it, like you, are conducting a very serious sexual offence, and the lack of awareness is astonishing and the potential damage it can do to people is something we need to focus on. we need people to wake up to the fact that they are potentially breaking the law because there is very, very little way to verify the age of somebody you are sending an image to. we will talk about the law more in a moment, but how did you feel when you received the dick pic? as a memberof you received the dick pic? as a member of parliament you received the dick pic? as a memberof parliament i'm you received the dick pic? as a member of parliament i'm in the public eye, it is not the worst thing i have ever received. it is not about people like me, it is people like stina and others who receive these things regularly and it is dismissed as if it is their fault that they are receiving something they have never asked for and which is, as i said, could well be an offence. lewis, d as someone's

age before you send a genital selfie? yes, or you can usually tell, i look at their pictures first and if she gives me any sign... i only like 21 and above, sort of thing, if she looked a bit young i would ask. i just thing, if she looked a bit young i would ask. ijust go from what i see on the pictures. maria miller is shaking her head and rolling her eyes. throughout many different areas we see people misrepresenting their ages and it is impossible to tell somebody's age from how they present themselves or a picture. if nothing else as a result of listening to this programme, i hope people wake up to the fact that this isa people wake up to the fact that this is a six offence —— sex offensive you are dealing with andrei tunis, let alone the sexual harassment of other women by sending unsolicited messages, because that is what it is. -- messages, because that is what it is. —— this is a sex offends if you are dealing with under 18s. under 18

and over 18, if you send such an image to an under 18, what could happen to you? it is a sex offends, you could go on the six offenders register. whether you are taking a picture or sending one to somebody who is under18, picture or sending one to somebody who is under 18, it is an offence. the police take a sensible approach if it involves young people and 18, but if it was somebody your rage they would not. i suggest people think long and hard about this. even if you are over 18 it is another sort of sexual harassment that the #metoo campaign has shown a sharp spotlight on and it is making women concerned about going online or using technology. the ministry ofjustice says there is legislation to deal with this. this poll the bbc 5 live suggests

that two thirds of adults think it absolutely should be an offence to send unsolicited messages to someone, irrespective of age. do you agree? the ministry of justice know that the law commission, which they commissioned, said the online law is not fit for purpose. it might theoretically protect people from image —based abuse but it does not practice. the other thing we have to consider is the volume of these offences being committed in a very thoughtless way, and how the police would deal with that. that is why i am also calling for a levy on social media and tech companies to pay for the extra policing we need to keep people like stina safe and not feeling like she should not be using her mobile phone. if that was in place, how would that protect somebody like stina? we need people to be aware of the law and we need to change attitudes too. i am

really pleased the government has made six and relationship education compulsory after a 17 year debate, it is compulsory in schools now. that will not protect stina. but it will change attitudes in the long—term. we need to change attitudes in the short—term as well, i will put a new law alongside an awareness raising campaigns of people realise that sending sexually explicit messages is not only against the law but will stay with them for life, and the pictures you are sending could well be around the internet, you might not mind that but other people might find out. but lewis says they are not unsolicited, they have been having a conversation, there have been suggestions, you are not sending them to random women? of course. i am sure that is right, so it is whether in this case he can be convinced that these women are all over 18. i convinced that these women are all over18. lam convinced that these women are all over 18. i am glad he thinks that, but that might not be the case and

one of the people you send an image to might speak out and then that would maybe not be the publicity you are looking for. what do you think, stina? is more legislation necessary, or is it about changing attitudes and better sex education? i think sending something unsolicited needs to be made a criminal offence, but i agree it is about changing attitudes. i think dating apps on social media apps like instagram could help, maybe if there is technology, i don't know, i am not clued up is about, perhaps that somebody was going to send something the app could say, are you sure? make people more aware that it is inappropriate. we are living in a society where we hide behind screens and people feel a bit more comfortable to send something without really thinking, but if education was put in place to say think before you send, that could definitely help. making it a criminal offence would be, i think mickey. lewis, have you heard

anything that might make you think twice? you can do what you want within the law, but from this conversation? yes, it is definitely something to think about in terms of the law, but like i say, i think it is more maybe these apps that we use should have some sort of box to tick, terms and conditions. i am sure it is already on there as well. i don't know how much you can fight against technology and internet laws and how it goes. what do you mean in the terms and conditions, yes, i would like to receive unsolicited dick pics? when you sign up may be saying you consent to what you receive, you can control but somebody sends you? there should maybe be more warnings or an extra gates to pass before signing up on these apps. yukoner control what somebody sends you but you can control what you send. or perhaps we should all take more responsibility

about what we are sending over the internet and not send nude and sexually explicit images because we could be sending them to somebody underage, surely we should take responsibility about that ourselves and not make it the responsibility of the social media companies, although i agree they had to step up to the plate is a bit more. thank you all for coming on the programme, good to talk to you. you can hear more on radio 5 live throughout the rest of the day. now, the second in our special series, brexit blind dates, where we send two well known people with opposing views on a blind lunch date. today, professor robert winston, a scientist specialising in fertility, tv presenter — who's also a labour peer in the house of lords — meets aisleyne horgan—wallace, a reality tv star who made her name on big brother. they say opposites attract — but would brexit get in the way of an unlikely friendship? and if you've just come back to us after we warned you that our last discussion would be of a sexually explicit nature, we have to warn you now that there's some language in this date which you might find offensive and may want to get the kids out of the room again —

yes, its one of those days! it isa it is a bit crude, but there was not much of it. brexit is coming, and politics is on the menu. so what happens when you send two people with opposing views on a blind date? i'm just really nervous. will daggers be drawn? i mean, do we keep the borders open? did you hear me say that? or deals done? high—five! will they want their brexit hard? are you feeling that? wow! or soft? and will the political... i would have voted for brexit. well, i'm leaving. ..get personal? you know, we could have a wonderful time. really, darling? my name's aisleyne horgan—wallace, and the older generation will probably know me from a show called big brother. when it was good! i'm nervous about the date, because you've probably got me with some real intellectual...

i can't say bleep, can i? my name is robert winston, i'm professor of science and society at imperial college in london. i've literally come from the gutter, i lived in hostels and had no parents. when i entered the house of lords, it was assumed i'd sit, like most scientists, on the crossbenches. but they found out i was a member of the labour party. i voted for brexit. the way i see the eu is like having a broken leg and then trying to pick up someone else that's got two broken legs and carry them to the hospital. brexit was not based on rational decisions. i think people that are still remain are a bit obnoxious! rude. no, i'm not rude, actually, that's not true. i'm essentially quite a shy individual. i have one or two ideas of who i think it might be, but i'm not going to say. i'm going to wet myself, i'm so nervous. who is this?

it looks like super mario! hello! hi. hello, aisleyne. how do you do? you're very dapper! well, i'm not really, actually, i'm just dressed for work! where shall i put this? and how do i look? well, you look very smart. thank you. and what do you do, aisleyne? my main income is i'm a property developer. right... but i started on reality tv. oh, god, you didn't, did you? oh, god, i did, and i'm very proud of it! big brother. yes, my youngest son was very into big brother, which i thought was dreadful. oh, he'll be a fan of me, then, babe — trust me. i'll have a coke, cos i'm on my period, and that helps, thanks. ok, that is good to know. i'll have a coke as well, please, no ice. i need the sugar. do you? yeah, time of the month. right, does that make a difference? yeah!

given the nature of my profession, i'm surprised i didn't know that information. i'lljust have the soup, i'll stick with the soup. are you a vegetarian? yeah. give me a high—five. 0h, are you a high—five? i'm a high—five, yeah. so why are you a vegetarian? i was brought up a vegetarian, um... i was brought up also a hare krishna, ajehovah's witness, a christian... what are you now? now i'm a brexiteer! does god believe in brexit? let's go back one, does brexit... well, let's go back two, i wanted to talk about tampax and the tax on tampax being abolished if we leave the eu. is there a tax? there is a tax, isn't there? yeah. vat. that's it. so you think in parliament we could do something about that? well, i know that if we come out of the eu, we can do something about that. yeah, so, um... are you nervous? not more than usual. 0k! large, ebullient, forceful young women always frighten me so... ebullient?

as long as it doesn't mean i'm fat, that is fine. no, it doesn't mean you're fat. i'm onlyjoking! it means that you're assertive. oh, thanks. i've lived on the edge for many, many years, i've had to be assertive. i left home at 15, so i was homeless. just all of this stuff, and i didn't want to be a statistic, i didn't want to be on benefits, struggling, so what i'm trying to say is, throughout my 20s and 30s, i didn't give politics any thought, really, i was too busy trying to better myself, but now, as i've got older, i'm starting to pay more attention, and starting to understand it a little bit more. so you are talking to a novice, really. you know, we could have a wonderful time over lunch. oh, yeah? really, darling? not how you're... i'm onlyjoking! we could actually have a wonderful time, completely ignoring the bbc and the cameras and just not talk about brexit, and they could do nothing about it. do you know what, though?

i love being around people like you, because i know that you can educate me, and it's interesting for you to get my opinion as well. so let's do a little bit of brexit. so you think we should stay part of the eu? well, unfortunately, i don't know that we can anymore, i think we've probably burnt our boats. and i'm happy about that. yeah, and i understand that you are, because you're a brexiteer and you voted for it. but the reason that i did that was, you know, nothing to do with them and us, it's to do with us being able to fix our own problems, you know, our nhs, ourteachers are underpaid, overworked, everything is stretching at the seams, and i believe that we put so much money into the eu, and we are propping up other countries when we need to really fix our problems at home. i've worked in the health service for 40 years of my professional life. thank you for your service. so i feel... no, don't patronise me. no, that is not...

is that patronising? i didn't mean it patronisingly! i wasjust being nice. all right, 0k, thank you. the move to brexit is putting the health service under massive strain, and we have no way of training the number of doctors that we need in this country, or the number of nurses that we need in this country, and that is going to cost more than we can afford. but we can still have european and doctors and nurses come over... they're not coming, they're leaving, they're leaving. yeah, i understand that they're leaving, but once we're in control, we can invite them from all over the world we so need them. let me just take my own laboratory. my own laboratory, a few years ago, had about a hundred people in it. in that laboratory, there were 19 european languages. not one of those people have stayed in the united kingdom, they've all left because... since brexit? because of brexit. we don't have a single european in my lab anymore. they might change their mind, it's not factual... they will not change their mind. they might! forgive me, i know them, they're my employees. ok, but why?

forgive me, i'm not trying to dispute your experience... no, i don't really have an experience, it's just opinion. well, then its opinion against what's factually happening. you understand insecurity, you've been insecure yourself, you know what it's like to be out of a job. yes, yes. but you don't know about scientists' careers — why should you? now who's being patronising? no, i'm not being patronising. brexit is doing my head in, but i mean we're balls deep in it now, we've voted for brexit, and we've just got to get on with it. i agree with that completely. anyway, what do you do? i'm so self—absorbed! me? i run a research programme looking at the ability of the human embryo to use various compounds. i think what you're doing is fantastic. throughout my 20s, i had three miscarriages, so this is going to be something that you know totally about. how many weeks?

no, one was six and a half months, i had to give birth. yeah, it was pretty emotionally, physically, mentally, everything. they were like, well, you know, these things happen, and i didn't have the money to go private, so i had to wait till it had happened three different times, and then they tested me, and then they told me that i'm a blood called rhesus negative. you're not trying to get pregnant now anyway? oh, yeah, i am, but ijust haven't found the right penis yet. well, it would be worthwhile getting some proper advice. what, like a dating expert? no, i don't mean that sort of advice, you certainly don't need a dating expert, you can find your own man without dating...! i was thinking about the professional side, that's certainly something i could refer you do. you've got to admit that, you know, we are under a lot of pressure financially, everywhere, everyone is underpaid. how much do you think brexit is going to cost us? yeah, there might be a couple

of years where things are a little bit hard. it'll be a lot longer than a couple of years. teething pains, but for example they predicted that the pound was going to crash and there'd be all this devastation if brexit won, and brexit won and there was none of that. so it's all a lot of assumptions. no, the pound has crashed. well, not dramatically to the point where we're in a catastrophic situation. hang on, dramatically enough to undoubtedly increase inflation in this country, because of course when not self—sufficient, we can't produce the produce we have to feed the people... we did before, we did before. we haven't for years. no, i'm sorry, we haven't historically since the 15th century. since the 15th century... you're getting...! no, i'm trying to tell you something, a piece of simple history. since the 14th century, the 15th century, we have been absolutely dependent on trade with europe. it starts, for example...

but... let me finish — with the story... where's that man with the thing? let me say my piece. right but... you don't want to listen to the truth? i do want to listen, but i want to put my point in before i forget it. so eu, if they stop trading with us, that's to their detriment — we are the customer, we're going to give them money, they want the money, we want the produce — it's not going to stop. it's going to cost more, that's the problem. well, then, maybe the farmers in our own great britain can have more of a chance... if your money goes 10, 20 or 30% less, that is a very significant part of your budget and most people's budgets in this country, that is one of the big problems. if they make things more expensive, we're just not going to buy them. we can broker deals with the rest of the world. no, don't fool yourself that we can broker deals with the rest of the world, they will pay what the market will bear — if we're needing something, they will charge us for it. i don't care whether you're a brexiteer or not, it's up to you. i'm not trying to convert you to... no, i'm trying to understand what you're saying as well,

it's an interesting point, but ijust believe everything is an assumption right now. well, to some extent, that is correct, it is an assumption, but you base your assumptions on the best evidence you have. and obviously you're a scientist and you much more astute to those kind of things, and you get it a lot more than i do, but i still say, you know, i've lived a life of people assuming about me, and i proved them all wrong, so let's just see if we can prove all the assumptions wrong. do you think it makes sense that a non—brexiteer is leading us into brexit? i don't think that matters, really. but you can't change your thought process overnight. well, i think you can. and i think you probably do. i don't think... see, i disagree. i think if you're a staunch believer in something, it's like changing religion. you can't go from one religion overnight to another. but you changed religion. my mother did, but it was a long, long process each time she did. is brexit a religion? for some! for you it is, isn't it?

no. no, it's not, for me. i just think that we can do it, i just think that we can stand alone. we done it for many... well, we done it forever before we joined the eu and we can do it again. let me make an assertion now, because you've made a few, so i'll make one. i think what we are beginning to see is the slow, inevitable decline of the united kingdom. no, i think what we're starting to see is europe crapping themselves because if we leave, others will follow suit. i think they're probably laughing, actually. do know what i'd like? do you know what i'd like? to have this same set up in about five years' time, and we'll see if everything you said was right. well, i'm happy to come back... assuming... i may not still be alive. no, don't you dare say that! oh, no, don't you say that. let's make a deal to still be here in five years' time and come back and have the discussion and see. i'm going to get this bill.

i've got the money in my pocket. i've got the money in my lovely leopard bag. sweetie, i've got it. if you want tea in the house of lords, i'll buy you it. are you serious? do i have to pretend i'm labour? no, course you don't. so... i'm going to the house of lords! do they do a crb check, because... i'm onlyjoking. jokes. i loved our lunch. the food was ok but, actually, the soup was good, but you can't really talk while eating soup. what about the company?! the company, darling? who cares about the food? we're never going to agree on brexit. i don't think so, because i think ais feels... i love it, he called me ais... you feel that this is really not negotiable. ithink... yeah, like i said, we're balls deep and we've just got to deal with it now. hmm. we agree about something. bye, darling. take care. bye. like the french. which is eu. see you later.

bye! of course she is still a brexiteer and of course he is still a vegetarian! aisleyne had to take down her twitter profile yesterday because she was getting stick, we put some clips online, getting stick for being a brexiteer. patrick says of aisleyne, she did a seriously good job. now, i have had so many messages about you answering our question about you answering our question about whether you would intervene if you saw police officers being assaulted, because of that horrific footage repaid you this morning. gary is a police officer, he says i

have been assaulted making arrests, i accept that, but i cannot accept when the cps will not charge someone with assaulting a police officer and they downgraded to resisting arrest or no charge at all. the cps are weak and spineless. thank you for your messages, we are back tomorrow at 10am. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. have a good day. good morning. an early taste of winterfor good morning. an early taste of winter for some, good morning. an early taste of winterfor some, i know it is only good morning. an early taste of winter for some, i know it is only a few weeks away but it feels colder at the moment, plenty of showers around too. we have some in the rain charts towards the south—east of england and is hail, showers plentiful across the midlands, northern england and southern scotland. wintry over the higher ground. best of the brightness in the west, cold across the uk and the added wind—chill makes it feel close

to freezing of the cell. showers keep going tonight, there could be snow on the tops of the pennines, the lake district and the southern uplands. most of you will be frost free but with slightly lighter wincing clearer skies, this is the greatest chance of frost into the morning. showers across scotland, northern england and northern ireland tomorrow. not as windy or cold further south. but across dorset, hampshire, devon, parts of somerset in south—west wales, some lively downpours, thunder and hail and a bit brighterfurther downpours, thunder and hail and a bit brighter further east. goodbye. you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning:

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