hello, it's wednesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the number of 11 to 16—year—olds with a gambling problem has doubled since last year called to the gambling commission. we'll talk to one mum about her son — who a year ago took his own life after becoming addicted to gambling as teenager. the prime minister heads to brussels this afternoon — under pressure to get more concessions from eu leaders ahead here at westminster, a leading cabinet minister says that parliament will never vote for a no—deal brexit. and we'll bring you our latest brexit blind date — where we send two well known people with opposing views on a lunch date together. today it's the original stig from top gear and tv presenterjune sarpong — who was on the board of the remain campaign. do we keep the borders open so everybody at once a place in england can come? is that what you are saying? no. did you hear me say that

once? you have been described in the landscape. i need to describe the landscape. i need to describe the landscape. what i said from the get go is that cameron was not good enough on freedom of movement. it's easy to say that. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we'd like to ask you this morning, as a parent have you ever had a conversation with your teenagers about gambling — and if so — what have you said? in the way you might have about smoking or drinking? what have you said about gambling? let me know this morning. use the hasthag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. more to come on that injust a moment, first the news, here's anita. the prime minister will meet the president

of the european commission later, in an attempt to finalise plans for the uk's future relationship with the eu, ahead of a crucial summit this weekend. theresa may and jean claudejuncker are expected to discuss concerns overfishing quotas and the eu's relationship with gibraltar post—brexit. mrs may is continuing to face pressure at home, after her allies, the democratic unionists, refused to back the government for a second time in the commons last night. the number of under 185 being admitted to hospitals in england because of stab wounds is increasing. according to nhs data, over 500 children were victims of knife crime last year, and in the last four years the number of young victims has increased by 86%. the government says its serious violence strategy will support early intervention and prevention, and police will be given more powers to tackle the issue. us president donald trump has been asked to determine whether saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman played a role in the murder ofjamal khashoggi. mr khashoggi was killed on the 2nd of october inside the saudi consulate in istanbul.

republican and democratic senators are demanding a second investigation into his death. mr trump earlier defended us ties with saudi arabia, despite international condemnation over the incident. the un's envoy to yemen is due to meet houthi rebels in the country's capital sanaa, to try to lay the groundwork for urgent peace talks. the charity save the children estimates 85,000 children under five may have died from acute malnutrition since 2015. the un warned last month that up to iii—million yemenis are on the brink of famine. interpol has elected south korean kim jong—yang as its president, rejecting the russian frontrunner who had been accused of abusing the international police body's arrest warrant system. he beat russia's alexander prokopchuk, who had been widely tipped to win. although the president isn't responsible for the day—to—day running of interpol — there was growing concern that mr prokopchuk would use the role to target critics

of russia's president putin. more than 50,000 children in the uk have developed a gambling problem, according to figures released by the gambling commission. the regulator says more teenagers now gamble than drink alcohol, smoke or use drugs. the report said that while children were gambling via new technologies , large numbers are making bets through more conventional means. it also blamed the increase on the rise of tv adverts and warns that another 70,000 children could be at risk. we will have more on that story in a moment. a british academic accused of spying in the united arab emirates will appear in court in abu dhabi today. matthew hedges, a specialist in middle eastern studies at durham university, was detained at dubai airport on the 5th of may, as he was leaving the country following a research trip. this will be the 31—year—old's third court appearance since his arrest. he has always maintained he is innocent. that is the main news. back to you,

victoria. thank you for your messages about conversations you have had with teenagers about gambling. 0ne says, i explain that the buzz is temporary, feeling deflated, feeling sad, wanting more, get on... why get onto the cycle? alex says it is predatory practices by video game companies. lift boxes in video games are deliberately designed to expose children to gambling at a young age. loot boxes or skin gambling is estimated to be worth it annually by 2022 and a government needs to crack down now. we will talk more about the report from the gambling

commission in a moment. and around half of british survivors of terror attacks overseas say they didn't receive enough support from the british government. will pike, who broke his back trying to escape the mumbai terror attacks ten year ago, says the british consulate was "useless". do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you are e—mailing, maybe you want tojoin the conversation if you are e—mailing, maybe you want to join the conversation about gambling, include your number so we can call you back. there's been a dramatic rise in the number of teenagers in the uk who are gambling. the gambling commission say 450,000 children aged 11—16 gamble. out of those, 55,000 are considered to be "problem gamblers". and that number is double as many as last year. matt zarb cousins is here — he got addicted to gambling when he wasjust i6 and lost about £20,000 over the next four years. he's now a spokesman for

the campaign for fairer gambling, which wants extra protection for children and other vulnerable people who may be harmed by gambing. he's used to be an advisor to the labour leader jeremy corbyn until last year. and lord chadlington, a conservative peer and former head of action on addiction. and in sheffield is liz ritchie. her sonjack started gambling when he was 17. he took his own life last year, aged just 2a — tomorrow is the anniversary of his death. liz and her husband charles helped found the organisation gambling with lives, which wants — among other things — a ban on tv ads for gambling. and andy in derby is a former gambling addict who got in touch with us today. liz, how are you marking the one—year anniversary of your son's death? well, jack's

sisters, two sisters, are coming home to sheffield. we are all going to be together during the day. we will probably light a candle. and how are you, as you approach this day? obviously it is hard. ithink the more we go on, though, the angrier we get about the complacency that we found afterjack‘s death, and the degree to which the government has not really been listening. we have seen that in the last week, really, that it took a minister's resignation to actually get the reduction on the fixed odds betting terminals through. so you are angry at the government matter because of what happened to your son? absolutely. it was because of government deregulation that these machines came on the high street so that jack and his friends were able

to gamble in their lunch hour at school. they are normal, ordinary, happy boys. school. they are normal, ordinary, happy b°ys- happy school. they are normal, ordinary, happy boys. happy young man, and this is the only reason they have died. what led your son to take advice? suicide is correlated with gambling, there is a very high suicidal ideation rate. that is actually on the william hill website. the government know it, the gambling commission know it. there is almost no treatment for addicts. 0nly commission know it. there is almost no treatment for addicts. only 2% of addicts get treatment, jack didn't have any. what happens is that there isa have any. what happens is that there is a progress towards action based on those suicidal ideas. these games, the fixed odds betting terminals, and the same games

online, they actually produce the impulsivity that leads somebody to ta ke impulsivity that leads somebody to take the action. let me bring in our other guests. matt zarb cousins, according to the gambling commission it is getting worse, doubled the number of teenagers having gambling compared to last year. why? mainly because of the amount of advertising on television. and the normalisation of gambling as an activity. but i am most worried this is just the tip of an iceberg. i can see the danger of there being a genuine epidemic in this country, which i think is brought about because of young people going online, playing games and, increasingly, the number of people playing games which have loot boxes, which means they can use money and do things like that. that is not gambling, is it? it is, most definitely. if you took fortnite, a very big game, 128 million users

worldwide, belgium has come out and said that the loot boxes on fortnite are genuinely gambling. and they must be stopped. they had been banned. liz is 100% right. the country has been too slow. 0ther countries are a long way ahead of us. countries are a long way ahead of us. italy has now banned all online gambling advertising, and on television. 24 hours ago. australia has banned all advertising during live sporting events. are behind the eight ball, we have to do something. matt zarb cousins, you have told us before, remained a audience how you got into gambling?|j before, remained a audience how you got into gambling? i started gambling at 16 in betting shops, on fixed odds betting terminals. i got addicted to them very quickly. that is what is very worrying about the statistics. i think there are two things, you can look at it in two different perspectives. if you are

young, you are more likely to be addicted. the prefrontal cortex, which regulates risking your brain, does not develop properly until you're 21. you are more likely to get addicted as a young person, particularly 11—16. if you do get addicted at that age, it is very difficult to get treatment and get over it. when you go through treatment, as i did, part of the cognitive behavioural therapy and the process is trying to make you think back to when you were not gambling and when you were happy. if you were 11, 12, as these children are, it is very difficult if you have been gambling for five years to think back before you were gambling. let me bring in handy, he is a dark, right behind you. how old are your children? i have two boys and a girl. i've not told my daughter yet, but my two boys know. tell the

audience what that is?|j but my two boys know. tell the audience what that is? i am a compulsive gambler, i last bet in 2007. itry compulsive gambler, i last bet in 2007. i try to spread awareness through my youtube channel. i have come to the decision to tell my boys about the addiction. nobody else found out before that. ijust wanted to show the changes and the pitfalls, how you can spiral out of control, from a young age. what was the conversation? what did you say? i sat them down for a good 20 minutes or half an hour, just explaining what i did, how i was, how i spiralled out of control, really. i was hooked online, playing poker, mainly. itold really. i was hooked online, playing poker, mainly. i told them, really. i was hooked online, playing poker, mainly. itold them, i

gambled irresponsibly. iwas poker, mainly. itold them, i gambled irresponsibly. i was in the midst ofan gambled irresponsibly. i was in the midst of an addiction, in a bubble, andi midst of an addiction, in a bubble, and i wasn't a nice person. i am lucky to be here as your dad, really. i just wanted lucky to be here as your dad, really. ijust wanted to warn lucky to be here as your dad, really. i just wanted to warn them what could possibly happen if you let gambling take over your life. do they play fortnite, for example? no, they play fortnite, for example? no, they don't. they do watch the streamers, people playing games. they don't. they do watch the streamers, people playing gamesm not because you stop them or they are not interested ? not because you stop them or they are not interested? to be fair, they are not interested? to be fair, they are not interested? to be fair, they are not interested, they are more into wrestling games and things like that. they are a bit more sporty, than games like fortnite. the trouble is, that we have 2 million people in the uk now in danger of becoming addicted. we have 430,000 actually addicted. and we only have 8000 in treatment. so, we can't reduce the numbers unless we treat them in the same way as we treat

alcohol addicts and other people in this area. the government has to do something. what it's got to do is to increase the number of clinics around this country which would enable those people, and gps, able to refer them, to centres where there is genuine excellence. that, we have not done. it only costs us 500,000 pounds each year. we have not done. it only costs us 500,000 pounds each yearlj com pletely 500,000 pounds each yearlj completely agree, policy makers need to look at what has changed that has led to this doubling of gambling addicts aged 11—16. we have always let children gamble at seaside amusements, what has changed? it is advertising and social games, loot boxes. and it is the advertising and the normalisation of gambling. gambling is part of watching sport. parents give a mobile phone to children, at too young an age, and then they can access everything. that is what leads to the addiction.

it's time to stop blaming the addicts as well. these young men from gambling with lives, they were doubly victimised. 0n the one hand, they went into shops that they thought had products that were safe, and secondly, the reason they killed themselves is because the blame was located in them, that somehow they we re located in them, that somehow they were gambling irresponsibly. they we re were gambling irresponsibly. they were givena were gambling irresponsibly. they were given a potentially fatal illness, and it is a proper addiction, like a heroin addiction, and then told that it was their fault. of course, they found no other solution than to kill themselves. lord cheddington has talked about increasing the number of clinics, what should be put in place to stop teenagers becoming addicted? we there is all sorts of prevention measures and then there is treatment. in terms of the prevention, of course, we must stop

the advertising. we must stop the normalisation of gambling. the gambling commission has effectively located a responsibility with parents and teachers in their most re ce nt parents and teachers in their most recent report. this is extraordinarily unfair. they have a responsibility to regulate. the second thing is that of course we must have proper clinics, proper treatment that is actually effective. there is no evidence, actually, that the treatment that is available is effective at the moment. but properly paid for. and it has to be paid for by a statutory levy. there was no other solution. we asked for an interview with the gambling commission, the executive director tim miller has a statement, in the areas in which they have regulatory control, they continue to strengthen protections and drive the industry to raise standards. he added that the areas where children are most frequently gambling — such as bets and card games between friends orfruit machines in pubs — are those where their regulatory reach does not extend. and he said the commission wants this is abdicating responsibility,

in my view, and a view other families from gambling with lives. that is putting the responsibility of that is putting the responsibility of parents, teachers and the gamblers themselves. it is grossly unfair. i have done some research into this. the advertising that you see, she is100% right, we have an alleged warning at the bottom, which says something like when the fun stops, stop. we did some research, private research with 2015—18 year olds, over 70% of them did not understand what that meant. 70% of them did not even notice it. the responsibility has to lie with the gambling industry. they have to be responsible for how they sell their products on television and how they warn people about the danger. i promise you, victoria, within a very few months, the whole situation will

change are just as tobacco advertising changed 50 years ago. we will change this. in the next few months? we will change in the next few months. i am sure matt and liz will agree with this, the feeling in this country is so opposed to what the gambling industry is doing. we will fight until we change it. that is why the remote gambling association got together yesterday, because they want to come up with a new volu nta ry because they want to come up with a new voluntary code that would potentially ban adverts before the watershed. because they know. they don't want to government to do it. why has taken a group of whose children have died to actually even bring the issue of suicide onto the agenda? this time last year, the day before jack died, the issue of suicide was not properly on the agenda. it is only us as families that have done this. glenn says on e—mail, iam that have done this. glenn says on e—mail, i am a professional gambler with a young son and i am alarmed by the number of gambling adverts

during sporting events that children will be watching. through my work, i am able to always advise my son about how to gamble well and to give himself a chance of winning. but the betting firms are constantly saying that they take responsible gambling seriously. how can they when they are making gambling a lad culture with slogans and catchphrases i hear young children repeating due to being targeted by pre—watershed adverts. we don't have responsible heroine taking, do we? it is a proper addiction, heroine taking, do we? it is a properaddiction, defined heroine taking, do we? it is a proper addiction, defined as addicted to lyft equivalent to drugs and alcohol in 2007. let us know what conversations you have had with your teenagers, as the gambling commission says in a report that gambling among teenagers has doubled in the last year. the new ministerfor work and pensions, amber rudd, has said this morning she'll look again at the five—week wait people face in getting their universal credit payments. she was speaking to the today programme earlier.

what problems hazard caused you waiting for the first —— what problems have it caused you waiting for the first payment? theresa may will meet eu officials later as the two sides scramble to finalise a brexit deal in time for sunday's summit of european leaders. here, she appears to have faced down the threat of a challenge to her position from her own mps who hate her withdrawal agreement and want to get rid of her — for the time being, at least. we'll get the view for brussels with our man adam fleming injust a minute. first, our political guru norman has the latest on what's happening on the home front. let's talk about the dup, who seem to have gone on strike when it comes to have gone on strike when it comes to their role in supporting the

government? they have basically threaten to pull the plug on the government unless mrs may backs down on her deal by refusing to support them in votes in the house of commons. in the long term, it makes it impossible for a government to go about its business, if it can't get legislation through. they are really cranking up the pressure. there has been a setback this morning for mrs may, when things seemed, by and large, to be going better, after amber rudd, the newcomer, the returnee to the cabinet, pretty much kiboshed the idea that there could ever be no—deal. why does this matter? because mrs may's mantra throughout the whole negotiation has been my deal all, be warned, it is no—deal. this morning, amber rudd said no chance of no deal, because parliament would never vote for it, mps would stop that ever happening. why this matters, it is notjust because it is at odds with what mrs may has been saying, but because the

danger is that it removes from mrs may what has been her main crowbar to get mps on board, which is to say to get mps on board, which is to say to them, look, if you guys don't vote for my deal, there is a real risk we are going to walk off a cliff edge and leave without any deal. amber rudd appears to be saying, well, that is never going to happen. in other words, saying, well, that is never going to happen. in otherwords, mps saying, well, that is never going to happen. in other words, mps are a bit dubious about mrs may's deal, and they can think, well, i can vote against the deal and it doesn't really matter because there will not be no deal. it seems to me that actually buy just speaking be no deal. it seems to me that actually buyjust speaking as she saw it, amber rudd has made the task of theresa may getting this deal through the commons even harder. theresa may is meeting with the president of the european commission, jean—claude juncker, which manages the day—to—day business of the eu. the purpose of the meeting is what? the original purposeis the meeting is what? the original purpose is that they were going to sit down and in front of them would

bea sit down and in front of them would be a completed text of the political declaration on the framework for future relations, the pdff as it is known by some people, which shapes out the future of trade, data protection, transport, you name it. shape it out, but not put it in detail. that was meant to be agreed by the negotiators last night. they have failed to meet the self—imposed deadline. it is still a bit up in the air. they are having to do a bit of negotiating. there were three outstanding issues. the first one is about trade, the whole stuff about the single market in goods and whether there would be a common rule book like theresa may proposed in the summer. then there is an issue that some countries in the eu want more detail on how much access their fishing boat gash to the uk really good fishing waters. the spanish government is kicking up a big fuss about gibraltar and the future relationship negotiated with the eu,

to what extent that will apply in gibraltar. there is a range of opinions about whether theresa may and jean—claude juncker will solve all of those issues, some of those issues, whether the civil servants and the officials will be able to finish it all off tomorrow. the special summit on sunday which is meant to be about signing of the entire package, including the divorce agreement, whether it will become a bit of a haggle rather than a signing ceremony. a lot of questions and not a lot of answers. hopefully we will get some after theresa may and jean—claude juncker have their afternoon tea this afternoon. even if it is signed off on sunday, it has to go to each of the 27 member nations to be voted on? no, it doesn't, actually. because it is a eu only agreement it can be agreed by the eu leaders representing their countries, and thenit representing their countries, and then it has to go to the british parliament and the european parliament. what will happen states

is in the future, after bracks today, when a trade deal is negotiated, because that touches on things that the eu, the big buildings do, that would have to be voted on by regional parliaments. even regional parliaments, like in belgium. but that is a headache for another day. cheers, adam. let's talk to a french politician and see if she thinks it is fair. let's speak now to aina kuric, who is a member of the french national assembly for president macron‘s party, la republique en marche. she's working on a commission that's helping to prepare france for brexit. thank you for talking to us. do you think this is fair to both britain and the eu? good morning. thank you for the invitation. at this stage, at parliament, for the moment, we are preparing what kind of

conditions the french government will be able to take decisions. what we think for the moment, of course, we think for the moment, of course, we wa nt we think for the moment, of course, we want to find a deal, a fair deal. talks are in progress, and we must be prepared in case of no—deal, and we are preparing also the different things that the french government will be aborted take different measures in case of hard brexit. —— will be able to take. what preparations are you making in case there is a no—deal? preparations are you making in case there is a no-deal? in case of no—deal, we have to define controls at the border. for example, we must think again, the legislation for

foreign people, the rights of foreign people, the rights of foreign people, the rights of foreign people, for the british citizens, in case of no deal. we have four articles taken from the senate. the first article, the first section, all of the legislation for foreign people. another one would be more about the rescue —— recognition of degrees and job qualifications, the financial services. the third article that we talk about, the physical border, the discussion between calais and dover. 0n the fourth article is the ratification, the end of the discussion. briefly, do you think it could all be sorted by sunday? for this summit?”

do you think it could all be sorted by sunday? for this summit? i don't know if it will be all sorted by sunday. i hope that we will, of course, find a deal. i hope european citizens and british citizens will be protected. so, we campsa for the consequences for the different situations. the new ministerfor work and pensions, amber rudd, has said this morning she'll look again at the five—week wait people face in getting their universal credit payments. she was speaking to the today programme earlier. think that is something i should

look at, and i will. when you say it is our defence, it's notjust a defence, it's a practical approach to trying to help people get the best out of the system that the state is providing. so, the end of each month, if their wages have gone down, or if they have had additional housing costs, hopefully universal credit can adjust in their favour. for some people, universal credit, they will see quite substantial rises, severely disabled people will see quite substantial rises. so, it's done monthly in this way so that people can have an adjustment to suit their family needs. so, you will look at that again, you will look at the whole thing again? i am looking at what we can do to get cash into peoples hands earlier. that is why i acknowledge that there is a problem. i think the main message i want to give is that universal credit is a tremendous force for good. amber rudd, who is the new work and

pensions secretary. we are going to talk next about a new report from survivors against terror today. they are saying that british victims of terror attacks abroad get hardly any help from the foreign office or from british consciousness. —— consulates. let's talk to charlotte dixon—sutcliffe, her husband david was killed in the brussels terror attack in 2016. she is also a member of survivors against terror. will pike, who broke his back trying to escape the mumbai terror attacks ten year ago. and dr sarah parry, a clinical psychologist who provided to support to people caught up in the manchester terror attacks. thank you very much for talking to us. charlotte, iwonder, when did it begin to dawn on you that david might have been caught up in that attack two years ago? immediately, because i knew that he was in the metro because i knew that he was in the

m etro syste m because i knew that he was in the metro system at that time. i wasn't able to get in contact with him. i think i had asked him if the trains we re think i had asked him if the trains were still running, because there had been an attack at the airport andi had been an attack at the airport and ijust had been an attack at the airport and i just got had been an attack at the airport and ijust got a simple "yes" i knew he was in the system, so because he wasn't able to contact me, it was obvious that he was either stuck underground and that's why, but as the day got later, it became apparent that he had to have either been severely injured or dead. and you actually went around the hospital is trying to find him, didn't you? —— the hospitals.” hospital is trying to find him, didn't you? -- the hospitals. i did, we had a number to call, i was in belgium so i will point out that i didn't have any contact with the fco, so i was in belgium and behaving as any belgian court of in

the attack and calling the emergency number, which was all very chaotic and then finally, at around about 10pm, me and some friends decided to print of some photographs and go around police stations and hospitals. what hell did you get from the british authorities? —— what help. so, my experience was fairly positive, actually. i didn't really contact them, i don't think, until the wednesday or thursday. i can't remember the first time i spoke to them but it hadn't really occurred to me to call them, because i was occurred to me to call them, because iwas in occurred to me to call them, because i was in belgium, i hadn't really thought about it and when i did, i was having quite a terrible time with the belgian authorities. so, for example, i was told on the wednesday, basically, that david was dead, but over the phone, so my contact with anyone after that is

all kind of vague but also far more positive. i mean, that was a real medea, obviously, as you can imagine, to have the news broken quite like that —— a real nadir. so my experience was that they were very supportive, very helpful and because of my situation, being in belgium, being british, sometimes it felt like i was caught between two systems, which meant it was really easy for us to fall through the cracks but whenever i reached out for help, they were able to help. they arranged family liaison officers, they were coming over and askedif officers, they were coming over and asked if i would like to meet with them, andi asked if i would like to meet with them, and i did, and they also arranged for a red cross psychologist to come over, who was absolutely amazing. will, they help you received in the immediate aftermath of being caught up in the mumbai terror attacks was perhaps not as good as that —— the help.

mumbai terror attacks was perhaps not as good as that —— the helpm was ten years ago, actually, so when your research called me yesterday, i found myself going, yeah, how did that go? yeah, that's right, they pretty much left to own devices. i remember being strapped up in a hospital bed in mumbai, doped up on morphine, with my dad, who had just flown over from the uk to be by my hospital bed to support my girlfriend, and we were met by the british consulate, or the deputy high commissioner and i remember her coming in to buy my hospital bed and she just looked inept, she had no clue what was going on, there was no sense of control. in fact, they were looking to my dad for sort of answers as to kind of like what were the insurance company going to do? how were they going to repatriate me? and it was like, no, you need to help us here, we need your guidance.

in the end, my dad and my girlfriend had to arrange the entire operation and when we flew back to the uk some ten days later, the points of contact ten days later, the points of co nta ct we re ten days later, the points of contact were good, we had a really positive experience with the police liaison officer, who came aboard the plane straightaway, the moment we landed in heathrow, really supportive, you know, we are going to take you from here, got into the ambulance, got to the hospital and they had no ideal ambulance, got to the hospital and they had no idea i was arriving, so i spent 11 hours in a&e, which was bizarre, we had been travelling for 36 hours. and afterwards, lying in a hospital bed at uc h, kind of wondering when i was going to be approached or have someone from the higher powers that be to kind of say welcome home, how was that for you, how are you doing, what can we do? there was nothing. as a clinical psychologist, sarah, i gatheryou

wrote some guidance after the manchester terror attack to help children caught up in the aftermath. yes, one of the big questions shortly after the manchester attack wasjust how to shortly after the manchester attack was just how to explain shortly after the manchester attack wasjust how to explain it shortly after the manchester attack was just how to explain it to children and people. so my colleague jeremy oldfield and i try to put some guidance together for parents largely on how to explain what was happening. what about the support generally that was available for people, to help them? so, i think manchester was in quite a special position in that the team that organised the manchester resilience hub were able to bring together lots and lots of specialist practitioners all in one place to coordinate a very systematic and systemic support system. so, for example, one of the key recommendations that seems to have come from that report is that specialist support needs to be

provided through different mediums. you know, it is to be readily available. so the hub, for example, provides support for a range of things, telephone, face—to—face, sometimes e—mail. they also help other people find sources of support, which i noticed was a big thing in the report, particularly for parents trying to find support for parents trying to find support for their children. let me bring charlotte back in, from the report, what is the key thing that has to change the you ? what is the key thing that has to change the you? so you talk about the manchester resilience hub, i think having something like that, having more of those, having more specialist centres and especially if you are dealing with children. i think we have a real mental health crisis coming if we don't deal with the children affected by manchester. and what about you, will? we have talk about what could have changed before but what has to change in future? it felt very disparate and very much down to our own initiative to seek out that help. my dad

reminded me this morning that the department of media and culture, who sort of remit we fall under when you are a victim of terrorism and overseas, which is bizarre and feels like it undermines the experience, they were kind of like, did you get our leaflet? you kind of want a little bit more than that, this kind of tokenistic maybe call that number. no, i want a clear pathway and defined touch points that we can then, sort, step out of it we don't wa nt then, sort, step out of it we don't want them as opposed to sort us having to seek out. it would be nice if it was you are going to see these therapists on these days and if you don't want to do it, fine, but we have arranged it. so more action, effectively. thank you, all of you. we have a statement from the government and it says this. those affected by terrorist attacks rightly expect effective, comprehensive assistance. the report found that in many areas survivors rate the support they receive highly, but there is clearly more to do. following the attack in manchester,

we provided funding for specialist mental health support in the city and the government's victims of terrorism unit will continue to ensure the support for those affected by attacks both at home and abroad is swift and coordinated. we will continue to learn from the experiences of victims and look forward to working with survivors against terror to inform our work. thank you very much. it's time for brexit blind dates. every day this week, we've sent two well—known faces who have never met on a lunch date. the catch? they have to talk about brexit. on monday, lord mayor of sheffield magid magid brought love island's zara mcdermott eu—themed flowers to set the tone. yesterday's couple, reality star aisleyne horgan—wallace and scientist and fertility specialist "dr embryo", as aisleyene called professor lord robert winston, even went on a second date to the house of lords. will our third couple also manage to talk brexit and still emerge as friends? we sent tv presenterjune sarpong — who was on the board of the remain campaign — to meet ex—racing driver perry mccarthy, the original stig on top gear,

and things got heated. brexit is coming. and politics is on the menu. so, what happens when you send two people with opposing views on a blind date? i'm just really nervous. will daggers be drawn? i mean, can we keep the borders open? did you hear me say that? or deals done? highfive! laughter will they want their brexit hard...? are you feeling that? yes, because essentially... ..or soft? and will the political... i would have voted for brexit. i'm leaving. ..get personal? we would have a wonderful time. really, darling? laughter ok, thank you.

my name's june sarpong, i'm a television presenter. and, also, i was on the board of the remain campaign. hello. i'm perry mccarthy, i'm an ex—racing driver, and i was the original stig on bbc top gear. i come from the east end of london originally. dad was a painter and decorator. i am a full—on cockney and proud. i am a labour supporter. i've normally voted conservative. well, brexit, what can i say? brexit has given me many grey hairs. i'm now spending much more money on dye. i voted to leave. so, a brexiteer. it was completely from an economics perspective. yeah, i think i'm a good date. i'm a cheap date, because i don't drink. so, i hope whoever it is, they're paying! i like to think i'm generous. hey, let's see. hi!

hello. how are you? i'm good, pleased to meet you. i'm perry, pleased to meet you. i'mjune. oh, did you ride here? well, this is going to give you a bit of a clue as to who i am. 0k. do you watch top gear? are you the... mystery person?! i was. i was the first one. no! oh, how wonderful! 0k! we should have done this in a car! exactly, yes! now, you've not introduced yourself. oh, sorry. so, my name isjune sarpong. and i'm a tv presenter. i also was actually on the remain campaignforthe eu. right, so you know what you're talking about. well, clearly not — we lost! why did you vote leave? purely economics for me. because, for me, personally, i believe there's opportunities

outside that we as a nation, if we get our saddle rigged up, can go out and get. 0k. and you? for all the opposite to everything you've just said! they are our biggest trading partner. if you're a small business—owner, you wouldn't just throw away all of your current customers in search of new customers. you would figure out how to do both. when my parents came as immigrants, it was the white working class community that welcomed us. and i saw how many factories that were in our community closed down and lots of the parents of my friends lost their jobs and so on and so on. i understand why people who felt worse hit by sort of what the eu stands for in terms of globalisation would feel that, "yes, this would be better if we leave". and i actually think it's the poorer communities in our country that would be worst hit.

admirable sentiments, and, you know, clearly, yet, i'm not some kind of right—wing nut. i wouldn't say that! god, no. yes, i want everybody to have the best life possible. as a kid, i came from the east end of london. oh, you do? yeah, stepney. oh, fabulous! 0k. so, we were very much working class. yeah, yeah. oh, so, it's families like yours that welcomed mine. 0h, absolutely. i feel so many issues that you're raising, as smart as they are and as heartfelt as they are, i don't always feel that they completely link to either a brexit or a remain situation. there's some things in our own society that hopefully we should be appreciating and cultivating anyway. yeah. what would you like to eat? oh, yeah, that would help, wouldn't it?! for a remainer... am i going to need a drink forthis?! no, no, no. for a remainer, it was quite clear for us what voting remain meant. oh, this looks amazing.

monsieur. thank you very much. merci. wow! all i heard brexiteers, or those who were campaigning for brexit, say was... lovely, thank you, babe. ..was that this was going to be an extra £350 million in the nhs, we were no longer going to pay the £9 billion per year or whatever it was, and britain would be all the richer for it. but don't you just feel, for me personally, that both sides blagged it a little bit back then? no. well, we were told by the remainers all the way through that the moment that we decided that we were coming out that there was going to be an immediate problem with the uk economy. yet neither of those things have been proved true so far. look what's happened to our currency. to the value of the pound, which is crippling small businesses when it comes to import and exports. no, that's not correct. it is!

no, it doesn't cripple small business on export, because it makes us cheaper. but it's costing you more to import stuff. obviously you're going to have to increase the export on whatever you're charging to make up the shortfall. not on services, you don't. on products, you do. you're assuming that for all manufacturing we have to bring in raw material or products from abroad in order to make that. most do. that's the nature of business now. but for most of our exports, it's actually services. yes. and it's certainly better with a lower pound. well, let's focus on products and manufacturing. no, you're saying that because it suits your argument. no, it doesn't suit my argument. you had a sweeping statement about the value of the pound. well, i will focus it down... ..being detrimental. i will focus it down for you... for me?! oh, thank you! for you, very! so i can understand it, yeah?! no, that's not what i said. in terms of the value of our pound, that matters, and there's no way you can say leaving the eu hasn't impacted that,

that's what i'm saying. i don't mean to be, you know, a dog with an old bone here, there is very rarely a negative only. ora benefit only. i'm not saying only, but i'm saying this one is a big one. are you happy with where we are now? i think you'd have to be insane to be happy with where we are now. if there had been no option except a hard brexit, i believe people would have better understood where they are and started making plans in the transition period. so, what do you want to see happen? i want everybody to be happy. well, that's not going to happen. i believe a people's vote is absolutely necessary. i think it's only right that we take the terms of the deal back to people for them to have a final say. and, as a remainer, if that vote went leave again,

you'd never hear another word from me again. but when people voted, i felt that they did vote to say, "we're out". and that was the most easy thing for them to understand. now to turn round and say to them, right, "well, we didn't "like that first vote, we're going to have another vote"... no, no, no, no, that's not what this is. this is about saying, if we're out, this is what out really means. are you sure? so, let's talk immigration, yes? i'm really disappointed that anybody who raises their voice with a real honest belief that there are opportunities about brexit is then considered somebody who hates migrants, —— about brexit is then considered somebody who hates foreigners, because, for me, it wasn't the key issue here.

0k. itjust wasn't. i think the world of everybody. but if you're looking at the country as an economy and as a business, this sounds awful, but they have to be a tiny bit more selective on saying who then comes to join the uk. but the idea that islamophobia has increased exponentially since the vote, the idea that hate crimes in general are on the rise, the minute you have somebody to sort of fan up those flames, you've got this. yes, but that's all, you know, well felt, heartfelt, observed. what's your answer? i mean, do we keep the borders open so that everybody who wants a place in england can come, is that what you're basically saying? no. did you hear me say that once? well, i wasn't clear, you were describing the landscape, i wasn't clear about what really actually... i need to describe the landscape, what i said from the get—go was, cameron wasn't tough enough on freedom of movement. it's easy to say that. why is it easy to say that? it's what i'm saying! but maybe it was blocked. it's all very well having

an argument to something... if you're blocked, your blocked. no, you're not blocked, if you're blocked. if you actually say to them, look, we have looked into this issue properly and if we don't deal with it, i assure you my country's voting leave, he then takes the issue seriously. you touched on it earlier. yeah. you said pretty much everybody actually really felt that the uk was going to vote to stay in. my point exactly! but the thing is, that's notjust the brits. the eu felt that they were going to stay in anyway. they were thinking, "don't try to renegotiate with us, sunshine, because we know you guys are going to be staying in". do you think that it was a visceral thing? do you think that even though people were coming in to pay more than they were taking out, just the idea of there being unmanaged numbers in the way that you could have, obviously, however many millions coming in, and there would be nothing we could do about that?

thank you, june. because you've actually produced an argument for me that i subscribe to. do you think it was that? i think people were increasingly worried about that there didn't seem to be a control mechanism. could i ask you a question? yes, of course. so, what if... "what if!" would you change your view on our relationship with the eu, or change your view on brexit, if this particular part of the deal was sorted out? i think you may have tipped the balance with me. 0k. because... excuse me, you're cheating, you finished eating, so you can talk coherently and i have got to talk between bites. i really, honest to god, can see the arguments to remain. do you really? yeah, absolutely. wow. i didn't take it lightly and just say, "ok, saddle up and here we go". but for me, personally, with my own optimism, if you like, i believe that the uk as a whole has

got the integrity, the knowledge, the skills and the determination to turn around and say, "hey, listen, we can go out and get better international trade agreements than we are currently getting through our association with the eu". there are a lot of people who voted leave that are going to be really badly affected economically. when food prices go up, the chances are that is going to happen. let's not get into all that. ok, we will come back on that when it happens. we will swap numbers. yeah, we will swap numbers, i'll call you. see, my loaf of bread is doubled now. i have changed my number by them. i hope that we don't do long—lasting damage that impacts people for generations. that is my hope. and i hope... wait, i'm willing to say this, too. i hope that i'm wrong.

but if i'm not, i think it will be a very sad state of affairs. not just for the sake of trying to come out on top of this argument, i hope you are wrong as well, obviously. because we want the best for everybody. of course! but we've got slightly different views on what that might be. we'll have to agree to disagree. is it ok to cheers with non—alcohol? sure. cheers. and we are looking into camera. i haven't changed her views, but i've taught her how to sit like the stig. how was it? i enjoyed it. so did i. i really thought he made some really important, valid points, really. is that when i said hello? no! it was great listening to you. you're passionate, articulate. i kind of see where it all goes, i guess. but i'm wrong? you just took my punchline away! punchline?

match made in heaven. done! are you going to bring your helmet? yeah, it's only right, isn't it? i always walk down the street with this. goodbye. thank you, goodbye. i've got a feeling they're never going to see each other again. and you can read more and catch up on all of our brexit blind dates on the bbc news website, or look online. frank watched did yesterday, and says what a natural uplifting person having a meal with robert winston. read up —— fed up with brexit, said frank, and it was uplifting and i look forward to the re—meet in five

yea rs' look forward to the re—meet in five years' time, if the bbc will broadcast. if brexit discussion for all like this, i would watch all of them. tomorrow, stanleyjohnson, former conservative mp and dad of borisjohnson, meetsjournalist former conservative mp and dad of boris johnson, meets journalist emma whelan. here is a tranny preview. —— tiny preview. iwould never, ever support a final say referendum or a second referendum. why? you might increase the majority. but the point is having that second say undermines the first say. i'm not sure about that. people argue that it is more democracy to have more votes, but it's not more democracy if you have a rerun of the vote. given that it was the british people who started the whole process, we want the british people to endorse the view of parliament. i don't think that's a travesty of democracy. thank you for all of your many comments on gambling. the news today that more teenagers are gambling, it has doubled in the last year

according to the gambling commission. this text says my son started gambling at 15 when we were on holiday in the lake district where, in the clubhouse, there was a gambling machine. he is now sitting in prison having ruined his wife and children's live, as well as having gambling debts of £1.5 million, says this viewer. it is a true addiction and is as bad if not worse as alcoholism and for him, it goes together. the country needs to find a solution for these addicts instead of locking them up in prison, where you can gamble, do drugs and drink. susie says my father was addicted to gambling the decades. he was in the raf all his life and his retirement was a downward spiral, he begged, borrowed and stole to feed his gambling addiction. he had a lifetime mortgage in the end, spent on horses and bed spreading. we played his phone bill, water vole, electricity. the nhs and social

services new and refuse to help him. no one seems to care about these addicts. thank you very much of us, thanks to your company, back tomorrow at ten a:m.. bbc newsroom live is next. have a good day. hello, there, good morning. a few of us had a covering of snow this morning, most of it was over the higher ground but some down to lower levels as well across southern areas of england. you can see on the radar imagery, the snow falling in parts of wiltshire, hampshire, towards sussex. further north, some snow over the higher ground of the pennines and across scotland. we will continue to see snow in northern scotland this afternoon but further south and scotland drying up with some sunshine. sunshine, too, on the eastern side of england.

further west, there could be some showers. maximum temperature is 5-8dc, the showers. maximum temperature is 5—8dc, the wind not quite a strong that yesterday so perhaps not feeling quite as cold out and about. through tonight, limply clear spells for many western areas. we will see a frost developing, temperatures down to zero — minus three celsius. temperatures in the west staying above freezing. some sunshine here but gradually the cloud will increase, a few showers to the north—east of scotland and north—east of scotland and north—east of scotland and north—east of england. that is all from me. you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: theresa may heads to brussels today, under pressure to secure further

brexit concessions ahead of a summit this weekend. at westminster, a leading cabinet minister dismisses the idea of a no—deal brexit, saying parliament would stop it. when the deal comes to parliament, it will get through despite what people say but i also feel having spent time on the backbenches that parliament. a no deal. the number of children treated for stab wounds in england more than doubles over the past four years. new moves to end the conflict in yemen as one charity estimates 85,000 children underfive have died from hunger since the war began. survivors of terror attacks say victims are being let down