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or crown prince of any knowledge of the murder ofjamal khashoggi is unacceptable — and crosses a red line. britain's prime minister theresa may says there are issues still to be resolved as she tries to finalise the brexit agreement. she met with the president of the european commission, jean—claude juncker, in brussels and says she will return for more talks on saturday. britain has warned of serious diplomatic consequences after the united arab emirates jailed a british man for life for spying. matthew hedges says he is innocent and was just carrying out research. the us defence secretaryjim mattis says peace talks aimed at ending the conflict in yemen will take place in early december. he said he expected both the huthi rebels and the government to attend. that's all. stay with bbc world news. new now on bbc news in a 100 women interview, the chilean writer isabel allende tells kirsty wark about her life in exile after the 1973 coup.
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isabel allende is one of the most acclaimed writers in the world. her novels have sold more than 70 million copies and have been translated from spanish into 42 languages. she draws on her own eventful life in herfiction. stories of love, exile and loss. she is truly the queen of spanish literature. and activist and a feminist i have come to california where she lived for a special interview. we talk about the power of storytelling, her work among impoverished women and children and a desire to live a passionate life. isabel allende, what was it about your childhood and the upbringing in
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chile that prepared you for storytelling? i was born in the 19405. storytelling? i was born in the 1940s. in chile. there was no television. i lived in my grandfather's house and he was a wickerwork and in mourning for many yea rs. wickerwork and in mourning for many years. so there was no radio no theatre no entertainment of any sort except for reading and telling stories. i think that prepared me for this life of storytelling. not only telling them that hearing them. i have had that inclination or my life. you have these two incredible characters. your mother and your grandfather that it was also tumultuous time personally for you. 0ne tumultuous time personally for you. one of the most extraordinary things was hearing that your mother, when your father left, cut his was hearing that your mother, when yourfather left, cut his picture out of all of the photographs. as an image rich are growing up that must
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have been extraordinary.” image rich are growing up that must have been extraordinary. i never missed my father. perhaps i did when i was very young but i do not remember that. he left when i was three. my mother said that i was very close to him so maybe there was a moment when i asked about him but i don't remember that at all. i remember a childhood without a father and his absence did not mean much to me. there were no photographs of him, his name was never mentioned and if anybody, my brother zoraida, would ask, my mother would say that he was an intelligent man and nothing else. that was it. and you knew not to ask further? because it would upset the. in my invented country, you write that chile is a hypocritical country. a nation of old ladies male and female. for someone as passionate as you, did it feel stultifying? absolutely. remember
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the time. when i went through the 19505 the time. when i went through the 1950s in chile, it was stifling here but terrible in chile. i belonged to a socially conservative family and catholic. so there was also that of my background. in a household that was my grandfather ‘s house but with my uncle's family and my mother was the only female. very early on i could see what a disadvantage it is to be born a woman. and i say it is because it still is, in spite of everything that women have achieved in my lifetime, i feel that everything that women have achieved in my lifetime, ifeel that many could get a better deal. then you worked on a new magazine which hit chile like a hurricane. so you are writing about things that were taboos and talking about homosexuality. what was it that was so homosexuality. what was it that was so extraordinary for chileans to
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read? because people do not talk about a lot of things and nothing was published. and then this magazine came out which was firstly very beautiful. it had fashion and beauty and was in colour and was lovely. and very avant garde for chile at the time. there was no competition. and we were for women, three journalists, who were young and we had read feminist books from england and from the united states. we were full of ideas. we did not ca re we were full of ideas. we did not care about anything. we were just defiant and rebellious and it was fun. so we started publishing articles and interviews about things that nobody had ever spoken publicly about in chile like abortion and infidelity and adultery and prostitution and drugs and stuff that was totally taboo. my
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grandfather was horrified. he could not believe that someone from his own blood was writing this kind of thing. but then you had the political coup. so your fathers cousin is salvador allende. you must remember that time. you were a young woman and it was an extraordinary time. and then can you remember exactly where you were during the clue? i was in my house. the clue was happening in downtown san diego. and then i left in my car and realised that something was going on, that is strictly the end there we re on, that is strictly the end there were military trucks and something was happening. i got to my office and it was closed and the concierge at the door said go back home, go back home, this is a military coup. he was happy because it was a total right wing jerk and he said go home. idid not right wing jerk and he said go home. i did not know what a military coup was because in allende we did not have president. if that was
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terrifying then, it became much more terrifying. the first day was terrifying. the first day was terrifying because it was so unexpected. the users helicopters, the bombing of the palace, the shooting, the book burning, the arresting of people and shovelling them into trucks. all of that was terrifying on the first day but then we had a curfew and nobody could get out for three days. and television, everything was censored. we had no news, only rumours. in a way, during those three days we got used to the idea that something extraordinary had happened but it would not last. the idea was that it was a historical accident. and then in the months to go kalms, the weeks and months to go kalms, the weeks and months to go kalms, the weeks and months to come we realised what it is to live in terror. for half the population, because the other half was having a great time. and that initial split was in your own
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family. everywhere. not only my family. everywhere. not only my family andi family. everywhere. not only my family and i think every family in chile had at least one person who had suffered the repression and families were split. couples were split. eventually you fell foul of the regime. how was that?” split. eventually you fell foul of the regime. how was that? i started hiding people and trying to get people into embassies for a silent which many people were doing. there was nothing heroic about this because we really did not know the consequences yet. and then later, when the circle of repression closed more and became more efficient, then i got scared. and got denounced. yes. that people were denouncing everywhere. in your latest novel you return to chile in 1973 and your protagonists, lucille, gets out of chile with the help of a family friend, a cardinal. how did you get out? i had a passport, ijust went
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to the airport and left, alone at first. i went to venezuela because venezuela was one of the very few democratic countries left in latin america where you could go. in mexico we were not allowed any more. soi mexico we were not allowed any more. so ijust mexico we were not allowed any more. so i just left mexico we were not allowed any more. so ijust left thinking that i would come back in a month. and then my husband said, he found out i could not go back. so he left with the children. he closed the house and left. you have written that it is quite a different thing being an ex— far compared to being an immigrant. annex i was not chosen that you were in venezuela for 13 years.” annex i was not chosen that you were in venezuela for 13 years. i was in caracas for 13 years and ended up loving backcountry, venezuela. i love its people. and i left because i fell love its people. and i left because ifell in love its people. and i left because i fell in love with an american and moved here before we have democracy in chile. is that regret you did not
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return? i don't regret anything. the important events in my life has happened in spite of me. they are not under my control. the fact that my father left, that i lived with my grandfather, that i had been a foreigner but i was a political refugee, eventually i became an immigrant, all the things happened, decided by destiny or karma or who knows what. i just lived decided by destiny or karma or who knows what. ijust lived whatever life possible. in exile in caracas you came upon the idea of becoming a writer. you were already a journalist became upon the idea of being a journalist. holding onto memory is you said it helped a brick stomach break the chain of hating your soul. —— to wreak the chain of hate in your soul. we were forced
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out of place and have to leave everything before, everything dear and to you was lost, you have grudges. and you feel that something is owed to you. that you have been robbed of something. i completely got over that feeling. the irony, that the coup in chile by pinochet was backed by the us and yet the us has been your home for all this time. yes. and there are many things about the us i do not like, especially the intervention in latin america, not only in chile uruguay but also what is happening now in central america. that is happening 110w central america. that is happening now because of the americans who with their backing murderous dictators. and the cia's role is well charted. we will talk about donald trump later but to carry on the idea that there is this caravan of what islands and hondurans, watch
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01’ of what islands and hondurans, watch or donald trump do about them? what should be done? i think that you have to help. you could not send troops to stop families with children and babies. that is crazy. the way... and i have a friend who has studied this in—depth, the way to stop refugees is improve the conditions in their place of origin. there were no syrian refugees in the world before the world at war started there and now there are 5 million displaced people. in central america, especially what a mile, el salvador and honduras, that triangle of the north, taken over by night close, games and corrupt police. nothing works and people live in poverty and terror. people leave. this is the legacy of the horrible war against the indigenous people
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and the poor in these countries, supported by the united states in the 1980s with the genocide of indigenous people. what you have to do is improve their condition within the country so people do not leave. nobody wants to leave. we live in despair at. your boxer been translated into 42 languages. how do it come to you? you write and spanish all the time.” it come to you? you write and spanish all the time. i can write a speech in english or something that is non—fiction and fiction happened here it does not happen in the brain. soi here it does not happen in the brain. so i would not be able to process section with dictionaries... no. and you still think in spanish? yes. at a dream and pray and make love in spanish. i would feel ridiculous painting in english, actually. losses seem that runs through your
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work. how did it start, as a letter to your grandfather. what did you wa nt to to your grandfather. what did you want to tell him? that i remembered everything he had ever told me because he was dying and i knew that he had told me so many stories and ina way he had told me so many stories and inawayi he had told me so many stories and in a way i had been the receiver, the beneficiary of those stories and idid not the beneficiary of those stories and i did not want him to think they we re i did not want him to think they were lost. i have all of them with me. he died, he was almost 100. but it was the natural order of things. the loss of your daughter which was so the loss of your daughter which was so unforeseen... there is a quote at the beginning of in the midst of winter and it is a quote that says in the midst of winter i finally found in me an invincible
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summer. finally found in me an invincible summer. it is the story of three people living in an emotional winter. they need to get out of somehow. when my daughter dido went through the longest winter of my life. after she died my mother said that morning for your child is like walking through a long and dark tunnel. she said just keep walking. day after day, tear after teare, just walk and there is light at the end. and i always thought of it is winter, as being in winter. eventually i would urge. the other thing my mother said is that nothing will happen to you ever again that is comparable. you have already gone through health. the rest of your life is easy. she was absolutely right. things happened to me, good
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and bad but when something happened thatis and bad but when something happened that is bad i always compare it as a this is not even 10% of how bad that was. all the your daughter was in a coma, you were with that and he said that that saved your life? i wasn't depressed because depression is very paralysing — i come from a depressive family and i know what it looks like. but was sad. in a way, i saw everything dark and i saw there was no reason to keep on living. i couldn't understand what had happened because a whole year of paola in a coma was like one long night. i couldn't separate days or season or events. everything was one
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thing. i based the book on the latest i had written to my mother that she gave me back and i could read them in chronological order. you were writing to your mother every day from hospital. the first 100 days we were together, in spain, but when i brought paola here and before that, she left because she got sick and she went back to chile. and then i started writing to her sometimes once a day. it was everything from profound things, gossip. everything. i had a more interesting life that my mother because i do more things and it is more public so i had bought the talent but in the end, when she was almost homebound because she was old and fragile, she had a wonderful in and fragile, she had a wonderful in a world that she could write about. her dreams, hurt desire, who
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grudges, her ailments, her dreams, hurt desire, who grudges, herailments, every think, everything. will you read these thousands of letters again?” everything. will you read these thousands of letters again? i am reading them. now that she is not here, i need her letters. the first thing i do is run to my computer and read my mother ‘s lattice. now i keep on writing with the idea that maybe there is wi—fi in the other world or not. and i read her letters, one day only because i do not want to get crazy. you are the kind of queen of spanish... to you fill the weight of responsibility? not all that i felt with the first book. the responsibility i have is the right honestly about things that i feel are true —— to write. and not
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give any ideas to a psychopath. for example, i know a lot about torture and rape and the things that happened to women everywhere. i have a foundation, i see the cases. i tell the cases without going into the detail of how it is done because ido the detail of how it is done because i do not want anybody to get ideas. 0n the other hand, when i talk about love or sex or things i think people should that and enjoy, then i get to be more explicit. but i have a responsibility to my readers not to create more disturbance, psychological, evil. i do not want more of that. you talked candidly in the thousand 15 about donald trump
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before he entered the white house and called in a raging lunatic. what do you think he is now?” and called in a raging lunatic. what do you think he is now? i think he's a very smart lunatic and he knows exactly how to mobilise his base and he has created his power on fear, hatred and lies. but you also said that he is in the actual cause of xenophobia and racism but he is harvesting sentiments that exist. absolutely. the uefa feel that personally? the idea that there is an apartheid in america and it is ok if you look like an american. do you think he is harvesting sentiments particularly in relation to people from south america? when i came to the united states 31 years ago, i
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told the man who would later become my husband, this is a fascinating country but it is also a potentially fascist country. and he said, what are you talking about? it is the cradle of democracy. but look at the south, look at the middle of the country, of segregation, the mental segregation of people. even if the country got over slavery and segregation, it is still rooted in the culture and the hearts of so many people. he denied it completely then but now he admits i was right from the very beginning. i think the white population that supports trump feels very threatened by anything that defies or threatens their privileges or their superiority or the fact that they have been in
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control always and that is shifting and it is very scary. donald trump says he is lowering taxes and increasing unemployment. lowering taxes for the rich. it is true there is more employment but there is enough employment for the refugees that are coming and that he will probably stop at the border. huge problems in venezuela and you live there for 30 years. i totally collapsed government. what is the problem in venezuela? government. the country has all the resources. when i went there in the 70s, it was one of the richest countries in the world because of the oil boom. the problem, at that time, everything looked very abundant and their was a lot of corruption but there was enough corruption for everybody. and
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there were two political parties. they took turns for power. somehow corruption was enough for everybody and they forgot that people in rural areas, that favelas, the poor. that is what hugo chavez harvesters. he was a very smart man and very charismatic but then he left maduro in charge and he ruined the country. are you a spiritual person? are you not a religious person but i believe there is more than you can see. there is more transcendent and spirit in everything, in nature, it in animals, in people. i do not feel disconnected to my mother or to
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paola. i connected to whatever form they have now. is that an exercise just in form and memory? probably but it does not matter. i have the vision that paola was sitting next to me in my bed and she told me, mum, let me go. it is done. let me go. paola could not move, she was in another floor, go. paola could not move, she was in anotherfloor, in go. paola could not move, she was in another floor, in a go. paola could not move, she was in anotherfloor, in a coma. i wake up. and there she was exactly where i had left, with a nurse. but if you ask me if i saw her? i saw every detail of her and i sure she left her sleep is in my bed. —— slippers. was i in so much pain that i went crazy? i was not on drugs, i hadn't
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taken sleeping pills, i was not stone. what was that? was that paola coming to me and saying, it is time, let me know. i don't know. i do not wa nt to let me know. i don't know. i do not want to know. isabelallende let me know. i don't know. i do not want to know. isabel allende thank you very much. this book has dealt me understand that i not obligated to make a decision. i can have one footin to make a decision. i can have one foot in chile and another here. that's why we have planes. the moment, california at is my home and chile the land of my mestalla job. my chile the land of my mestalla job. my heart is not divided but merely grown larger. —— nostalgia. . hello. we've had that cold wind. some of us have had the first snow of the season, and now the widespread frost going into thursday morning. coldest in the blue here. in fact, parts of southern england could be as low as low as —7 to start the day.
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temperatures down the eastern side of the uk recovering a little bit, going into the first part of the day, because you will see here increasing cloud. elsewhere should be a fair amount of sunshine to begin with. but through the day, the cloud moving west. but through the day, the cloud is moving west. now, with the clud, you could see a bit of patchy rain and drizzle. and from the word go into parts of eastern scotland. and this is where it is likely to be most persistent as we go through the the day. let's take a closer look at things at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. so you can see the outbreaks of rain, northern and eastern parts of scotland. western fringes of scotland still seeing some sunny spells. northern ireland, early showers clear and then it's dry with sunny spells here. a lot of cloud through much of northern, central and eastern england. wherever you see that cloud, it could be damp in places thoughthe rain not amounting to very much. there's still some sunshine through much of wales, the south midlands and into south—west england. now, the winds are a touch lighter than they've been. temperatures are still, for the most part, in single figures but windchill is not so much of an issue. still going to feel quite cold though, particularly where you find yourself
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underneath the cloud cover and you may be seeing a bit of patchy rain. that will continue on and off through thursday night and into friday morning. still more particularly through eastern scotland. and then to end thursday and through the night into friday, the risk of a few heavy showers into the far south—west of england. maybe clipping south—west wales. not as cold as friday begins though pockets of rural frost around. some spots still get close to freezing. then on through friday, still some rain affecting parts of eastern scotland and that chance of a shower into the far south—west. could have a bit of hail, maybe a rumble of thunder. elsewhere, variable cloud and sunny spells. i think parts of northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england should fare fairly well for sunshine and temperatures still, for the most part, in single figures. going into the weekend, low pressure to the south, high pressure to the north, a flow of air coming in from the east. much of the uk under the influence of high pressure. but close to southern england, there is a weather front here that could well be producing some outbreaks of rain during saturday. some uncertainty about the exact position of that so we will keep you updated.
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still either some showers or some patchy rain towards north—east scotland. elsewhere it is looking mainly dry. you get to see some sunny spells. temperatures around 7—10 celsius. not much change going into next week. still much of the uk under the influence of high pressure, not particularly warm but mainly dry. this is newsday on the bbc. i'm rico hizon in singapore. our top stories: a line in the sand — saudi arabia's foreign minister tells the bbc neither its king nor its crown prince are linked to the murder ofjamal khashoggi. and it is a red line when you have individuals calling for the removal or replacement of our leaders. that is ridiculous and unacceptable. life in prison for the briton accused of spying in the united arab emirates. i'm babita sharma in london. also in the programme: we hearfrom the niece of the internationally acclaimed photographer shaihdul alam, who's been freed from jail in bangladesh. david attenborough shows
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