hello. it's thursday. it's ten o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. in shock. the wife of the british academic jailed for life for being a spy in the united arab emirates after a five minute hearing without a lawyer present. and daniela tejada says the uk government got its priorities wrong. i was under the impression that they were putting their interests with the uae above a british citizen's rightful freedom and his welfare and his right notjust to a fair trial, just to freedom. we will talk to a friend of matthew hedges and his mp about what should happen next. also the prime minister is flying to brussels again on saturday to try and tie up her brexit deal with the eu ahead of that crunch summit on sunday. iam adam i am adam fleming live in brussels.

just this second i have been sent the text of the political declaration which will sketch out the future relationship between the eu and the uk for decades to come. adam will reveal all in the next half an hour. and in our brexit blind date today — where we send two people with opposing views out for lunch — it's dad of former foreign secretary borisjohnson, who voted remain, and ella whelan, a journalist and author who voted leave. i would never ever support a final say referendum or a second referendum. why? you might increase the majority. but the point is the process of having that second say undermines the first say. i'm not sure about that. people argue it's more democracy to have more votes but it's not more democracy if you have a rerun of the vote. given that it was the british people who started the whole process, we want british people to endorse the view of parliament. and ariana grande hits out at piers morgan for criticising young, beautiful, successful women after he mocked little mix for posing naked, accusing them of using nudity

to sell records to impressionable young female fans. good morning and welcome to the programme. we are alive until 11 o'clock this morning. there is a big report out just o'clock this morning. there is a big report outjust published into children's mental health and it is looking at young people aged between two and four as well as looking at teenagers. one in eight kids has mental health issues and what we wa nt to mental health issues and what we want to ask you this morning is what help, support and treatment you have been able to get if your child has a mental health problem. do let me know because we will feed it into our conversation at 10:1i5am. do get in touch. if you text you will be charged at the standard network rate. there is the summary of the day's news with annita the wife of matthew hedges,

the british academicjailed for life in the united arab emirates after being convicted of spying in a five minute hearing without a lawyer present, has accused the foreign office of prioritising its relationship with the uae over his right to freedom. daniela tejada who will meet the foreign secretary later today called onjeremy hunt to take a stand against the arab state, an ally of the united kingdom. in the last hour, jeremy hunt met the uae ambassador to the uk. we have found a number of elements

that questions the ability of spain to negotiate with the united kingdom about the future of gibraltar. if this is not solved between now and sunday, unfortunately spain, a pro—european government, will vote no and exercise its veto. the spanish prime minister, pedro sanchez. an emergency meeting of nissan board members to decide the fate of their chair man is under way. he is also chair of mitsubishi and renault and he is being held on suspicion of financial misconduct. he is accused of misusing company funds and understating his income. it has emerged that there are ten times as many children and young adults in england and wales living with type 2 diabetes than previously thought. figures obtained by diabetes uk suggest almost 7000 people under the age of 25 have the condition. health campaigners say more needs to be done to cut the rates of childhood obesity, one of

the main causes of the disease. type 2 diabetes is a really serious condition in children and young people so what we need to see is a lot of effort put into preventing children from becoming overweight and therefore developing type 2 diabetes. more nhs patients in england will be cared for at home or in their community under plans due to be announced today. the government says it will invest £3.5 billion a year by 2023 in a bid to reduce unnecessary hospital admissions and help patients return home soon. analysis from the housing charity shelter shows that 320,000 people are currently recorded as homeless in britain. that is the rise of 13,000 people, 4%, on last yea r‘s rise of 13,000 people, 4%, on last year's figures, and is equivalent to 36 new people becoming homeless everyday. shelter says london has the highest rate of homelessness but it is growing fastest in the midlands, yorkshire, the humber and north west england. that is the

latest bbc news. thank you. later on this half hour: hundreds of women who say they've been left struggling because they weren't given proper time to plan for a change in their retirement age are protesting today. ahead of that rally at westminster, some of them are here in the studio to explain why they'd been forced to use foodbanks and in one case live on £73 a week. and ariana grande hits out at piers morgan for criticising young, beautiful, successful women after he mocked little mix for posing naked, accusing them of using nudity to sell records to impressionable young female fans. are you team morgan or team little mix? do you agree women famous or otherwise can do whatever they want with their bodies, including selling music? is he just very good at winding everyone up and succeeding? use the hashtag victoria live. send us an email victroia@bbc.co.uk to take part in the programme. please include your phone number

in your message. the wife of matthew hedges, the british academicjailed for life in the united arab emirates after being convicted of spying in a five—minute hearing without a lawyer present, has accused the foreign office of prioritising its relationship with the uae over his right to freedom. daniela tejada, who will meet the foreign secretary later today, called on the foreign secretary jeremy hunt to take a stand against the arab state, an ally of the united kingdom. in the last hour, jeremy hunt has met the uae ambassador to the uk. it's being described as a frank conversation. shortly after arriving back in the uk from her husband's trial, daniela tejada told radio 4's today programme the british government had not done enough to help her husband. i was under the impression that they were putting their interests with the uae above a british citizen's rightful

freedom and his welfare and his right notjust to a fair trial, just to freedom. they were stepping on eggshells instead of taking a firm stance. no allies should be treating a fellow country's citizens like that. and there's absolutely no reason why they should think that a close ally would be sending an undercover agent to spy on them. it's absurd. she also described what happened as her husband was sentenced in the court. he was very, very scared when he was standing in front of the judge, just because we knew that the possibilities of there being an arbitrary judgment were there. i asked him to look at me if he was feeling too nervous and he tried to do so on a couple of occasions but was asked to face the judge. and he started shaking when the translator told him

the sentence. he actually had to ask to doublecheck if he had heard right. and yeah, i mean, i can imagine he's just as distraught as i am. the attorney—general in the emirates has suggested that this isn't necessarily the final sentence, that there are appeals and things that can be done. have your lawyers there talked to you about what happens now? i've only been able to speak to matt's court—appointed lawyer once since the hearing. he said that there is a possibility for appeal and that they will be working on it. however, i feel that it shouldn't have had to get to this instance. his innocence is evident. and every evidence against him is completely fabricated and he was put through so much

strain for six months that absolutely nothing that he said or didn't could be used against him. let's talk to matthew hedges' mp ben bradshaw. he's calling on the government to take action against the united arab emirates. giorgio cafiero is a friend of matthew hedges. he's also ceo of the washington based company gulf state analytics, which mr hedges has worked with. how do you react to this jail sentence for life? you know, it is incredibly disappointing, very shocking. i think this decision from the court at the uae was rather outrageous but we are remaining optimistic about the appeal, some good results, and we are hoping that

matthew will be sent back to the united kingdom where he can finally returned to his life of freedom. his our experience has been a grave injustice. matthew hedges is an innocent man and we are just trying to remain optimistic about what comes next, even though it is certainly a difficult situation. ben bradshaw, as matthew hedges‘s mp, how do you react to the fact that jeremy hunt has seemingly called in the uae ambassador to his office in the uae ambassador to his office in the last hour and it has been described as a frank conversation? what would you like to see come out of that? that is the least i would expect. i think daniela is right in the interview she gave this morning that the softly softly approach has not worked. jeremy hunt put out a strong statement yesterday about repercussions if this verdict is not reversed quickly. i think the foreign office are probably better qualified to work out what the effective measures might be. jeremy hunt put this tweet out last night,

which you can read. do you think he will be able to bring matthew hedges him swiftly? i hope so. i hope that the uae will focus on the damage that this will do our relationship, very valuable and mutually beneficial relationship as our biggest export partner in the middle east. so what is going on when a friend and ally accuses a british citizen of spying and jailed them for life in a five—minute hearing without a lawyer present? this is what is really weird about it. i don't think anyone has anything to gain from this. it could be then sending a message to uk academics or academics worldwide not to look into things they consider politically censored. but it has already done the uae is that damage, the fact they can do inside her confinement for five months with no access to a lawyer or reading material or anything. he has mental health problems and he was not getting proper medical treatment. i am very worried for his safety now. we don't

know where he is and we have not been able to get consular access on the ground since his sentencing. the government needs to make it clear to the uae that of any harm comes to matthew then the government there will be held absolutely responsible for that. any harm? what do you mean? he is in a very vulnerable state, victoria and he has been depressed and he has suffered from anxiety and he has not been given the proper medical attention he has needed up until now until very recently. i know daniela is very worried about his state of mind. do you believe the daniela tejada that the british government appear to have prioritised their relations with the uae above the rights and freedoms of matthew hedges? there is no doubt that the uk and the uae have a very special relationship. the uae is an important player when it comes to defence, investments, trade, and so

on and so forth. i certainly understand where she is coming from. she certainly thinks some economic variables were in play and these prompted the officials of london to handle this case quite differently thanit handle this case quite differently than it probably would have had we been dealing with a different country that wasn't so important to some of the uk's core economic interests. ben bradshaw, people have talked about sanctions. people have talked about sanctions. people have talked about sanctions. people have talked about breaking off relations with the uae, it and we use some of their bases to fly to afghanistan, so it is a deep security and defence relationship going back years. what do you think should be done if matthew hedges isn't freed soon? do you think should be done if matthew hedges isn't freed 500mm is not really for me to make that judgment. that is what we have a british government and foreign office for. what do you think? there are numberofareas office for. what do you think? there are number of areas they could look at. we could withdraw the

ambassador. that wouldn't make any difference, would it? it would be the next stage. what generally happens in these cases, and the hope is this can be reversed quickly, but if it is not, the foreign office will have a numberof is not, the foreign office will have a number of tools in its tool box which it can then escalate. but it needs to do so. the strong language used by the foreign secretary yesterday needs to be followed up by actions. the softly softly approach hasjust not work. the approach actions. the softly softly approach has just not work. the approach that governments always take in this country to problems like this when we have them in the gulf states. this is an unacceptable and intolerable position british citizen to be based on. matthew hedges was doing research about civil military relations. what are the implications for people doing academic work in places like the uae? as a consequence of matthew hedges‘s situation, scores of academics throughout western countries have

spoken out in public, saying the uae is not a safe place for scholars and academics and researchers to visit. this is very bad for the interests of the uae. for many, many years this gulf country has done a lot to present itself to the world as a global hub, a very modern, very forward—thinking arab country. this story is causing many people to change views about the uae. thank you very much for your time. the ceo of the washington based company gulf state analytics, who worked with matthew hedges and as a friend of his, and ben bradshaw, labour mp, matthew hedges‘s mp. we will hear more soon matthew hedges‘s mp. we will hear more soon and matthew hedges‘s mp. we will hear more soon and you matthew hedges‘s mp. we will hear more soon and you will hear it first on bbc news. a protest is planned today against the decision to raise the state pension age for many women

in their 50s and 60s. it's to coincide with a debate in the house of commons, with thousands of women saying they are now facing financial difficulties because of the changes. up until 2010 women received their pension at 60, but it's been rising ever since. as of earlier this month, women will get their state pension at 65, the same age as men. the government has been increasing the age at which people can claim pensions because everyone's living longer. but according to campaign groups and some politicians, women who were about to hit 60 when the changes were brought in didn't have time to prepare. let's speak to patricia gibson, an snp mp who is hosting today's debate at westminster. shirley clark turned 60 in 2014, and isn't yet receiving her pension. she's taking party in today's rally. carole may who is 64 and can't yet get her state pension. she says she is living on £73.10 a week and has had to use

food banks to cope. thank you for coming on the programme. carole, tell us how you found out that the pension age was changing to 60. i found out quite by accident. i was working with a woman born the same year as me, 1954, in the spring, and i don't know how it came up in conversation when we were working together about retirement. i said how much better off i would be when i hit 60 and i got my pension. which was my next birthday. you are 59 at the time. she said don't you know? actually you and i will not get our pension until we are 66. i was just gobsmacked. get our pension until we are 66. i wasjust gobsmacked. i had relied on that. following my divorce, out of which i got nothing, i had been homeless. and now you live on £73 a

week because you are looking for a job but it is half ofjobseeker's allowa nce job but it is half ofjobseeker's allowance and half of the pension. and you have got to rely on food banks. at the end of the day the bills have got to be paid. my electric bill, i only use one of the heatin electric bill, i only use one of the heat in my flat now, so it is quite chilly, but even though my electricity board is £55 a month. —— my electricity bill. that takes a big chunk out of that. you had just under three years notice about the pension age being pushed back from 60. why isn't that enough time to prepare? well, you have a lifetime of planning from the day you start work. you plan your life. you plan to get your pension at 60. and it is not there. and we had planned for

it. but is three years not enough time to plan? no. do you think it is, patricia? the dwp itself says people need a 15 year lead—in time to make these plans. that is why the government has decided to make this change 20 years ago, and it was a long overdue move towards gender equality. we need to make sure it is sustainable for future generations. there is no argument about changing the state pension age, the osmonds is about how it is done. the pensions minister himself not enough notice was given. 20 years, they say. it was accelerated in the 2011 pension act, and the government increment of those recommendations, but what they didn't do was take note of what else was said, which was if you're going to accelerate

the pension, you have got to cushion the pension, you have got to cushion the impact with welfare reforms to help those most affected. is that what you want now and what you are calling for? what would that mean in practical terms? the snp put forward its own potential solution to this in 2016 and we argued that the government should revert back to the 1995 timetable which would mean the pension age wouldn't rise until from 2020 and the government rejected that and it has rejected another of options that others have put forward. what we are saying to the government is that if you don't like any of the options put forward, what is your solution to this? carole, surely, what do you want?|j is your solution to this? carole, surely, what do you want? i would like my pension, now.|j surely, what do you want? i would like my pension, now. i would like my pension and all the money i have lost from the age of 60. that has made such a huge difference. i have not got a life, i have gotten existence. after a lifetime of work,

i deserve more than that. we will see what happens today. thank you for coming on the programme today and we appreciate your time. in the past few minutes it has been reported that the european commission and britain's brexit negotiations have agreed a declaration on the two sides' future ties. the draft declaration will now be screened by national representatives of the remaining 27 eu states who are meeting in brussels right now. it comes after it emerged that theresa may is going back to brussels on saturday for further talks. downing street is insisting that a brexit deal will be agreed before that eu summit on sunday. let's talk to a europe reporter adam fleming. you have had this text. what does it say?m reporter adam fleming. you have had this text. what does it say? if only that was an easy question to answer! it is 26 pages long and i have got to page 13, i'll be honest with you! this is the political declaration about the shape of the future relationship and it will go alongside the brexit treaty, which

is about the divorce. that is legally binding. all this stuff is aspirational, the road map for what the parties will discuss in the future for the future relationship. what the uk hopes is that this document is good enough and juicy enough that it makes a brexit treaty, which is much more controversial in the uk, seem much more palatable. that is what this document is. it is divided into four parts, and the first part is all about the basis for cooperation, and it talks about how the uk and eu to the world in the same way, have a lwa ys the world in the same way, have always seen the world in the same way, have lived with each other for decades and will live together for decades and will live together for decades to come, so inevitably the relationship will be pretty close. it goes into the economic partnership, part two. it goes into an ambitious and wide—ranging economic partnership, but there will have to be fair competition between the two sides so that the eu cannot be undercut by the uk. but it does

say that the uk will pursue an independent trade policy, in other words pursue its own trade deals. there is not the chequers style free trade area in goods with a common rule book but there will be the trading relationship on goods that is as close as possible with a view to facilitating the ease of legitimate trade. what does that mean? that will have to be negotiated in the future. there is lots of stuff about the uk taking pa rt lots of stuff about the uk taking part in various eu agencies. paragraph 25 might drive some brexiteers furious. it says the uk will consider aligning with the eu's rules in relevant areas and they thought the border brexit was to not align with eu rules. that is the economic bid and then there is a detailed section about cooperation on security, so there will be a lot of cooperation on security and we have got to read the details about that. at four is about how the relationship will be reviewed and how they will resolve disputes and manage the relationship going forward. when i look at this

document ijust forward. when i look at this document i just think, forward. when i look at this document ijust think, right, that will have to be sorted out in the negotiations after brexit, that will have to be sorted out in the negotiations after brexit, oh, that'll be a big issue for the next few years after brexit, oh, they will have to negotiate that as well. this is a road map run whole load of talking to come in the next few yea rs. talking to come in the next few years. the immediate issue is whether the member states sign up to be. they have got to read it, and then whether the uk signed up to it. you call it a road map and others call it kicking the can down the road. thank you, adam fleming. more now on our main story that the wife of matthew hedges, the british academicjailed for life in the united arab emirates after being convicted of spying in a five—minute hearing without a lawyer present, has accused the foreign office of prioritising its relationship with the uae over his right to freedom. daniela tejada, who will meet the foreign secretary later today, called on the foreign secretary

jeremy hunt to take a stand against the arab state, an ally of the united kingdom. lets talk to mr hoetches, a friend of matthew hedges. can you hear me?! can you hear me? i do apologise. we will try to recover that skype connection with the friend of matthew hedges. simon binner struggled for 10 months against an aggressive form of motor neurone disease. he decided to end his own life in 2015 by travelling to a clinic in switzerland. his wife deborah was by his side even though she was absolutely sure that she didn't want him to do it. deborah had also lost her 18

year old daughter chloe a year and a half before simon first became ill, after she was diagnosed with a type of bone cancer. deborah has written a book about losing them both and how she has rebuilt her life. and she is here. thank you for coming on the programme. why were you totally sure you didn't want your husband to travel to switzerland? i appreciated he had the most terrible, terrible illness. the motor neurone disease, to see it up the motor neurone disease, to see it up close, is really dreadful but he was my husband and i loved him and i didn't stop loving him because he was ill. in fact his vulnerability made me love him even more and i wa nted made me love him even more and i wanted every single moment with him, they were all precious. and although i thought i would definitely have saidi i thought i would definitely have said i would do assisted dying when sitting round a dinner table, when it came to my family, it was

different. explain that to our audience. when that is your husband david mach wrote he was everything to me and we had a fantastic, not a perfect, marriage. ithought to me and we had a fantastic, not a perfect, marriage. i thought we would do whatever it takes. and i have had a daughter who has been very ill, and what happens when somebody is ill, you kind of a just and it is very strange and you think you never could but you adjust to the next bit at the next bit. he was such an amusing larger than life character. we still had a lovely marriage. in my eyes. it'sjust felt so marriage. in my eyes. it'sjust felt so different from that theoretical argument that i would have had before. when did simon decide that he didn't want to live with his motor neurone disease any more? simon was a very practical man. he wasn't religious. he decided early

on. he was always talking about very extreme things. first of all i thought this was just another simon thing to say. we will go along with it for a while. then he will get used to it and changed his mind and we willjust... nobody knows what is around the corner but we will go along with life. he did decide very early on, almost at diagnosis, that thatis early on, almost at diagnosis, that that is what he wanted to do. we are going to take a look at a clip now from simon in a bbc documentary called have to die, simon's choice, talking with you and a doctor called erica bryce. i am not frightened of dying. you are frightened of being incapacitated. i am not frightened. i don't want to do it. that is

different to being frightened. i don't want to do it. that is different to being frightenedm worries me that it is a knee jerk reaction. that's it. i'm going. i wa nt reaction. that's it. i'm going. i want him to think about it more deeply. it depends on what you want but it is your decision. why are you so sure, erica? why do you feel so passionately about it? you only have to listen to people, you really have to listen to them. you know, he's not a child, he knows what he wants to do, and it is his life. ican i can see the smile on your face to see simon. how much did you consider that accompanying someone to an assisted death could face up to 14 yea rs assisted death could face up to 14 years injail? we assisted death could face up to 14 years in jail? we considered for our children than we did not want them to face that. we went with a group

of friends and we were clear with those people because it would have been completely unfair not to be, but that was a possibility. it was not likely but nobody could be sure as it was definitely not going to happen. no guarantees. icould as it was definitely not going to happen. no guarantees. i could not have cared happen. no guarantees. i could not have ca red less happen. no guarantees. i could not have cared less because i felt we we re have cared less because i felt we were doing everything from the absolute best intentions and that my conscience was clear on that. it did not affect me personally. three yea rs before you not affect me personally. three years before you lost your husband you lost your 18—year—old daughter. yeah. we have so many parents who watch our programme. how do you cope with losing a child? that is why i wrote the book in the first place, that i coped with losing a child and my daughters were my life. like lots of pa rents. my daughters were my life. like lots of parents. i had such a close relationship to my girls than they we re relationship to my girls than they were everything. i was surprised

that i made a conscious decision that i made a conscious decision that i made a conscious decision that i was going to live after words because i felt that was the best way to honour my daughter. she was such a courageous girl. i thought i have a courageous girl. i thought i have a choice to time into something good and take those 18 years of life i had with her and turn it into fighting for other children because children with cancer do not get the best treatment because they do not make money for pharmaceutical companies because there are not enough of them so i have spent five yea rs enough of them so i have spent five years campaigning in her name and that seems to me a good use of my grief. making a choice to put that belief into something positive has helped me to survive. and at times, it might seem strange, but really thrive, it makes me feel guilty sometimes, with the heartache i have had, tania ground, ifeela sometimes, with the heartache i have

had, tania ground, ifeel a better person, it sounds trite, life is so precious, i want to use my life in the most precious way to honour these two amazing people i had in my life. thank you for telling us about them. we appreciate it. good luck with the book. your book is out now. deborah binner‘s book yet here i am was published on monday by splendid books. if you would like to talk with someone about any of the issues in this interview then you can call our dedicated bereavement action line on 08000158707 or visit bbc.co.uk/actionline for more information. more now on our main story about matthew hedges, who has beenjailed for life in the united arab emirates after being convicted of spying.

his wife says he's been let down by the british government. let's talk to a friend of matthew hedges who joins us from durham. i heard the news yesterday morning andi i heard the news yesterday morning and i was very shocked. i did not expect this verdict. because the signs were pretty positive so before yesterday matthew had been released on bailand yesterday matthew had been released on bail and also before he was released on bail the conditions at prisons were improved so it seemed to be until yesterday that public pressure on the other oddities was working and there seem to be improvement in his situation, and to hear the news yesterday morning was

a huge shock for me as a friend, really emotional. i wonder if you agree with his wife who said this morning she felt the british government had prioritised relations with the uae over the rights and freedoms of her husband. with the uae over the rights and freedoms of her husbandlj with the uae over the rights and freedoms of her husband. i mean, i have not read her statement yet so i need to study at more careful, yeah, daniela has been in constant touch with the embassy in the u emirates and the commonwealth office and she did everything within her power in order to get matthew released. if she made that statement i am sure she made that statement i am sure she has very good reasons for that. i would like to study it further but yeah, iam

i would like to study it further but yeah, i am completely supporting her in regards to this. thank you. a friend of matthew hedges. news to do with the manchester terror attack, an admission from m15, they have admitted for the first time it made a mistake in failing to track the 2017 manchester bomber, which may have provided an opportunity for him to be stopped. this has come from the intelligence and security committee and we can hear from dominic grieve from that committee who is talking about this. m15 and counter—terrorism police in relation toissues counter—terrorism police in relation to issues we considered to have played a part in the actions of two or more of those who perpetrated the attacks. in each case we have

considered what changes need to be made. the 12 issues are covered in detail in our reports but i mentioned two of them as examples. in relation to explosives, we found that the system for regulating reporting purchases of the ingredients used to make exports of was hopelessly out of date in dealing with the threat posed. this facilitated the perpetrators in acquiring the materials they needed. changes have subsequently been made to the system including the government's intention to improve co—operation and information sharing between retailers and law enforcement. in our opinion this should have been done sooner and it is important the system is now kept under continuous review. in relation to communications service providers four years several of the other crosscutting

issues illustrated when considering the case of salman abedi, the perpetrator of the attack on manchester arena. we have seen that he visited an extremist contact in prison on more than one occasion. however neither m15 nor counterterrorism police took any follow—up action. in our opinion, known extremist prisoners should not be able to maintain links with those vulnerable to extremism. we have therefore recommended that the approved visitors scheme is extended to all extremist prisoners. we have also seen issues around travel arise in the case of salman abedi and that the perpetrators. m15 decided not to place travel restrictions and travel

monitoring on salman abedi, which allowed him to return and detected to the united kingdom in the days immediately before he carried out his attack. m15 have admitted that given the information they had on salman abedi, they should have done soap and they have now revised their policies in this respect. we also note in relation to salman abedi, that despite being known by mi5 abedi, that despite being known by m15 since 2014, he was not referred to the prevent programme. the failure to use the prevent programme is similarly not a new issue and we would have expected lessons to have been learned already. i should also mention that there was serious concern in relation to salman abedi. it is so sensitive that we can't

mention it publicly without causing serious damage and i mention it because i want to assure you that we have seen the details, scrutinised it thoroughly, and i also want to assure you that it hasn't been removed from the report in order to avoid embarrassing any individual or to hide any wrongdoing. the issue is contained in the classified report that we have sent to the prime minister. she will need to take action on it. taking these issues together, we have concluded there we re together, we have concluded there were a number of failures in the handling of salman abedi's case. it is impossible to say whether if any of these had not happened that the devastating attack could have been prevented, that we can say as a result of the failings, potential opportunities to prevent it were missed. in conclusion, i want to emphasise that both m15 and counterterrorism police have been thorough as they seek to learn from past mistakes. however it has been striking how many of the issues

which arose in relation to the 2017 terrorist attacks have been previously raised by this committee in our reports on the 7/7 attacks and on the killing of fusilier really rigby. —— lee rigby. we have previously made recommendations in all of these areas yet the government fails to act on them. the lessons from last year's tragic events lessons from last year's tragic eve nts m ust lessons from last year's tragic events must now result in real action. thank you very much. now ladies and gentlemen, i am conscious that you have questions. as we a lwa ys that you have questions. as we always do on this committee, we have allocated the questions out to various areas, to committee members, so various areas, to committee members, soi various areas, to committee members, so i will not necessarily be the person who will respond to your questions. but we are happy now to ta ke questions. but we are happy now to take your questions and i think some measure of order has been introduced into how that might be done. with that, i will ask somebody to go first. daniel sandford from the bbc.

given the numberof first. daniel sandford from the bbc. given the number of areas where you have identified problems from travel monitoring, information sharing, issues around car hire, chemicals, concerns about separation centres, concerns about separation centres, concerns about separation centres, concerns about how the home office have dealt with uefa parsons green, but at the same time given that we have always accepted that the m15 and counterterrorism police are always quite good at being self—critical, are you concerned that there is now some complacency coming in? —— how the home office have dealt with you over parsons green. do you think there are individual problems? our report is not one of complacency by m15, no? i think the committee was impressed that the mis think the committee was impressed that the m15 to the sequence of these terrorist attacks very seriously indeed, those in

commissioning its own internal review and in having that internal review and in having that internal review then peer—reviewed internally as well. so no, that is certainly not what this committee is saying. but what we are saying, and we will move around to other members of the committee if they want to come in, is that some of the problems that we identified for ones which have been previously identified by this committee before, but which had not been properly addressed by 2017. and that there is an element, and i think this is quite important, in respect of the sharing of information between m15 and other releva nt information between m15 and other relevant organisations, which is a difficult issue, because there are problems over sharing classified information and material, which if they could be improved upon, and speak to be improved upon, would go a long way towards ensuring some morejoined up a long way towards ensuring some more joined up work. a long way towards ensuring some morejoined up work. this is one of

the difficulties one has when dealing with classified material. i do not know if anyone else would like to come in. dominic grieve, the chairman of the security committee, admitting that m15 has admitted it made a mistake and failing to track the 2017 manchester bomber, which may have provided an opportunity for him to be stopped. the report from the committee revealed that m15 had recognised it had moved too slowly to establish how dangerous he really was. wide—ranging criticisms, questions are continuing. we will keep across that. you can hear more reaction to this report throughout the day on bbc news. the manchester bomber blew himself up and killed 22 people who were at an ariane grande

concert. mental health in children and young people is an issue we often cover on this programme. and a major study has come out today showing one in eight children and young people aged between five and 19 had a mental disorder in 2017, that's according to the findings by nhs digital. for the first time, the study also looked at children aged two to four, it found that 5.5% of pre—schoolers had a mental health issue. out of those in their late teens, females aged 17—19 were twice as likely as males of that age to have an emotional disorder or to self harm. lets talk to catherine nixon, who's had ocd and anxiety from the age of seven. danielle forbes, whose ten—year—old daughter deanne had counselling at school when she was seven, anne longfield, children's commissioner,

and drjon goldin, vice—chair of the child and adolescent faculty at the royal college of psychiatrists. your reaction to the fact 5.5% of two to four year—olds have a mental health issue. that is very concerning. the earlier survey in 2004 did not look at 2—mac—4—mac year—olds. young people in that age group can suffer from anxiety and behavioural problems and it is important to intervene to prevent those problems becoming entrenched and problematic. how do you react to that? they are hugely concerning. overall the figures are worrying. it is right this is the first time we have looked at this. we are much more able to talk about these issues now. a lot of very young children

are living in household where parents have their own problems and clearly that has an impact on them but it is also great because we know we can intervene early which will make all the difference. your ocd started at the age seven. how did that affect you growing up? at the timei that affect you growing up? at the time i did not realise how it affected me, ithought time i did not realise how it affected me, i thought it was normal. when i was around seven it seemed as if it was a phase because it eventually fizzled out but it was not until i was doing gcses and i was around 16 that it spiralled out of control and got very much in the way of normal day—to—day life. of control and got very much in the way of normal day-to-day life. what kind of things were you doing? the main thing that i was doing that was taking up so much of my time was that i have a morning routine which

i still have but it is a lot better thanit i still have but it is a lot better than it was and that the worst taking me seven hours, so i would get up at 7am and i would be out of the bathroom at 2pm and that is literally a day. it took so much out of me. how easy or otherwise wasn't get help? i started, it started to get help? i started, it started to get worse during the first bit of year 12, get worse during the first bit of year12, i had had get worse during the first bit of year 12, i had had counselling, low—level, but that was not cutting it, and! low—level, but that was not cutting it, and i did not really know where to go, no one had told me about cams, i guess i assumed i was not bad enough to get in there and then it was not until things got to the worst when i was in and out of a&e that i got into cams and they said i

was too severe and they would have to send me to a psychiatric unit where i was for six months. your little girl had counselling age seven. what was that for? at the age of, probably before then, she had low self—esteem, no confidence, she hated herself, she did not find herself pretty, she said no one will ever like me, i will not have friends, as a mum you want to intervene and you wanted a get better. but there are times when you know she needs some more help and i was very lucky because in school they have a place where mike buchanan go and it is like a counselling for children and she went in and spoke to someone and she used to go every wednesday and it really helped. she is ten. how is she? very good. she talks about it

quite fondly. they gave her a lot of coping mechanisms so whenever she is they get angry or upset she would go to her box which she made and it would calm her down. she is great now. she is not 100% but she is a lot better. a lot of progress has been made. yes. your office has a report saying the government is making progress when it comes to mental health services for children but a seismic shift in ambition is needed to meet demand. at the government not cut the funding of mental health services by 8% since 2010 how different with that position be? we havejust lost her. i will ask you. the government have got a percent of funding since 2010. they have noticed that it put money into to improve things but what

difference did those cuts make? very significant differences. it is tragic young people have not been receiving the kind of help they need. the government is aiming to treat about a third of young people with mental health problems in the next five years or so and we are calling for more ambition. we should be able to treat at least 70%. that would leave third of young bea will not treated. imagine if it was cancer there would be a national outcry so why are we a loving young people not to get the help they need? the government investing £1.4 billion until 2020. is that enough? there is progress being made but it is baby steps and it is only in recent yea rs is baby steps and it is only in recent years there has been the recognition that this is such a scale of issue and it will not be enough. it has to be a national priority and we need to stretch every sinew to offer children the

help they need. this person says my child has anxiety and it makes him vomit and he has ocd. 20 get help is impossible with months to wait for an appointment. we have been trying to help them for five years and only just started receiving cbt. someone else says what can i do? when i worry about the mental health of my stepchildren who love with their mum. the seven—year—old constantly lies about being hurt. i think for attention. rachel says why is mental health still a taboo subject in children? many mainstream schools see them as naughty children and pa rents a re see them as naughty children and parents are blamed for a lack of parenting skills. on twitter, my seven—year—old daughter cut her wrists with scissors in school. cams said her case was not serious

enough. some really distressing stories from viewers. how much help was it to you to be admitted to a psychiatric ward as a teenager?- the point they had said in cams that having community—based cbt would not have helped and if it had it would have helped and if it had it would have taken months and months so i think it was almost the last straw. it took me out of the situation i was in and i cannot really explain it in words. it was... i can't explain it. the amount of care and attention that was taken to my case and the amount of progress i made after a little bump i made so much progress and i came out of the other end in such a better place than when i went in. that is brilliant because

we do not often hear positive stories when it comes to people accessing mental health services. it is often stories about people waiting getting desperate. people get desperate. it is lovely to hear your story. i know the excellent work that gets done. people working very ha rd work that gets done. people working very hard around the country but they are under resourced and very stretched and that means that people who need help are not always getting it so we have a significantjob to do. do you think they will reach the stage when the money put into children's mental health services will match the money put into adult mental health services?” will match the money put into adult mental health services? i hope so. there is a doublejeopardy mental health services? i hope so. there is a double jeopardy for children's mental health services because mental health services get underfunded compared to physical health but children make up 20% of the population but are getting less than 10% of mental health funding so we have to rebalance that and invest for the future. 15% of adult mental

health problems start by the age of 14 so if we can invest in young people we can prevent problems in the longer term. thank you. we appreciate your time. i know that was difficult for you. i appreciate you coming on the programme. we had hoped to bring you the latest in our blind dates series — but we've been overtaken by breaking news this morning. so let's just have a little preview of the next episode — which we will now bring you tomorrow. this time stanleyjohnson, a former conservative mep and dad of former foreign secretary boris johnson, meets journalist and author ella whelan. i wouldn't have support a second referendum. why? you might increase the majority. the process of having

the majority. the process of having the second say undermines the first say. i am not sure about that. it is not more democracy if you have a rerun of the vote. we want the british people to endorse the view of parliament. i do not think that isa of parliament. i do not think that is a travesty of democracy. you can read more and catch up on all of our brexit blind dates on the bbc news website, orjoin the conversation on twitter using #brexit blind dates. and — if you want to share your views on brexit, you can apply to be part of our audience for our big debate. it's on monday the 3rd of december in birmingham. we'll have an audience, and a panel of mps to answer your questions. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. it was a cold and frosty start to

the day across western parts of england and east wales with temperatures down first thing this morning. we had a lot of cloud. this is the satellite imagery with the cloud moving westward. across northern ireland and the west of scotla nd northern ireland and the west of scotland it will probably stay sunny into the afternoon but elsewhere we keep the cloud with outbreaks of rain, showers across eastern parts of england and the east of scotland through the afternoon. maximum temperature is 5—8d. tonight, more cloud around compared to last night, largely frost free. temperatures above freezing. some showers moving into the far south—west of england. those will continue for a time as we go through friday into south—western areas of wales. elsewhere it is going to be dry and plenty of dry weather continuing throughout the day. a few showers into eastern

scotland. showers in the south—west continuing and a few breaks in the cloud here and there. you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's 11 o'clcock and these are the main stories this morning: m15 admits for the first time that it failed to track the manchester arena bomber, salman abedi. the attacker blew himself up at an ariana grande concert in 2017, killing 22 people. we found that the system for regulating and reporting purchasing of ingredients used to make explosives was hopelessly out of date in dealing with the threat posed. this facilitating the

perpetrators in acquiring the materials they needed. eu and british negotiators agree on a 26—page declaration on britain's future relationship with the union. the wife of matthew hedges — jailed for spying in the united arab emirates — accuses the government of putting british interests above her husband's fate.