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israel's seemingly indestructible prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, has dodged another political bullet. after the recent flare—up of violence in gaza, his demence minister quit and another key cabinet hawk, naftali bennett, said too if he was not given the defence portfolio. but the prime minister called bennett's bluff and he decided to stay put after all. are the right—wing factions putting their own interests before those of the nation? naftali bennett, in jerusalem,
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welcome to hardtalk. great to be here, stephen. it's been quite a week, how would you characterise your relationship with prime minister netanyahu today? well, we're political adversaries, but i'm part of his government and i support prime minister netanyahu as the prime minister of israel. so, you know, it's not unlike the uk, where things are also quite tumultuous. we're going to continue in order to strengthen israel's security. let's un—pick this notion that you're sitting there in a cabinet led by a guy who you now describe as an adversary. lieberman, who was defence minister until very
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recently, he described mr in yards four neta nyahu's recently, he described mr in yards four netanyahu's decision to undertake a ceasefire with the mass after that flareup in gaza, lieberman described that decision as,", a capitulation. did you see it as,", a capitulation. did you see it asa as,", a capitulation. did you see it as a capitulation to terror?” thought it was a profound mistake andi thought it was a profound mistake and i tried to fight against the notion of giving money to hamas in order to have them stop shooting at us order to have them stop shooting at us missiles. but i am part of the government and i assume responsibility for all its decisions. what i think we need to do to hamas is obliterated, to hit them so badly that they will not be able to continue shooting rockets and missiles at our population. 0k, we'll get to your vision, your strategic vision for gaza and elsewhere in a minute, ijust want to stay with israeli politics for them on it if you don't mind. this
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is what your own party, jewish home, said, after this crisis inside the cabinet. they said that if you didn't get named defence minister to replace avigdor lieberman, you would walk, you would quit the government and the government itself would therefore almost certainly fall. what happened ? therefore almost certainly fall. what happened? well, i never put that as an alternate. i did ask the prime minister to give me the mission of restoring israel's security strength and restoring our power vis—a—vis gaza. security strength and restoring our power vis-a-vis gaza. mr bennett, i need to be very clear about this, i'm looking at a direct quote from your party, an official statement. it is either the defence ministry all we are out. that's what your party said. as i said, when i met
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the prime minister last friday, i told him this is not an ultimatum, but i do think you should give me this huge task of shifting the whole direction of israel's security plans, vis—a—vis hamas. i think we've been way, way too soft... so sorry to interrupt you, but you're not making much sense to me, to be brutally honest, because the official statement said it's either the defence ministry all we are out," this is our ultimatum to stay in the government. it clearly was an ultimatum. long story short, the prime minister decided he was going to become the defence minister. i think it would have been a better decision to give that task to me, but i accept this. you win some, you lose some, this is one of those cases where i did not get the task. i will support the prime minister
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and help him change the whole direction of israel's security policy. but with respect, you're now in a ludicrous position because you had this face—off with prime minister netanyahu. this face—off with prime minister neta nyahu. you clearly this face—off with prime minister netanyahu. you clearly felt to help the cards, but he call your bluff, uk then. then went on to say you believe his security policy over the last ten years has been a security failure. but here use it as his minister of education and i asprilla says sitting in his cabinet, when you believe his policies are set, jeopardising the security of israel. your position to me makes no sense whatsoever. let me help you out, stephen, i'll explain it. i do think the policy over the past decade has been weak on hamas, and we have to shift gears. the prime minister has said he's taking the responsibility, and he's going to become for the
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first time in his history the defence minister and he's going to change gears, he's going to change the direction of our security policy. i want to give it a chance andi policy. i want to give it a chance and i don't want to topple a government if possible. i'm going to help him. i care about the state of israel more than i care about myself, and we're going to give it a chance. trouble is, one in israel believes that. i've looked at the israeli media opinion polls done in the wake of this crisis. it's clear a big majority of israelis believe you and avigdor lieberman were playing politics, playing politics indeed with israel's national security and the polls show that the public doesn't like it one little bit.|j don't serve the polls, i serve israel, and i do the very best in my power to secure israel. i came into politics to begin with... to be honest, the polls suggest the israeli people don't think you're
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serving israel, you're serving yourself. i appreciate your profound care for the israeli people, but i came to politics because of the second lebanon war and what i saw there and i saw the wrong direction. i saw confusion and what we need is clarity and a very strong policy on security because, stephen, we're surrounded by vicious enemies who wa nt surrounded by vicious enemies who want to, you know, white israel off the globe. we have to fight back. we cannot be soft on these enemies. here's what the times of israel road, and we'll get to your strategic vision in a minute, but the times of israel said this," it's difficult to imagine a worse day politically forjewish home leader, naftali bennett, after he was forced to sheepishly back off from his threat to bring down the government" . you see yourself as a future prime minister of israel, but the truth
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is, over the last week or so, you've managed to humiliate yourself. first of all, as i said, you win some, you lose some. no one has a perfect career. i had failures in high—tech before i is exceeded. you don't always get everything right, that's life, that's politics. the goal in life is not to neverfail, it's to get up after you had a failure. clearly the prime minister defeated me but i would prefer the prime minister defeats me than hamas defeats israel. i'm not going to give hamas the gift of toppling a government. albeit the fact you wa nted government. albeit the fact you wanted to topple the government, not hamas, but let's leave that aside for now. you decided to stay in the government, and i'll point you again," the ship of israel's security has sailed in the wrong direction". it seems what you're saying, particularly in regard to gaza, what israel has done in recent yea rs, gaza, what israel has done in recent years, including, let's not forget, several wars, the last in which an
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2014, operation protective edge, killed more than 2000 palestinians. the un says at least 65% of those palestinians killed were civilians, and we know hundreds of them were children. you're saying the besieging tactics in gaza, the fact gaza doesn't have power supplies that work, doesn't have clean water, has a jobless rate of 60% or more, you're saying all of this isn't tough enough, that israel should be hammering gaza harder. is that it? no, isaid hammering gaza harder. is that it? no, i said we should be hammering hamas harder. i have no issue whatsoever with the cars and people. i have big issue with hamas, whose charter and actions clearly state they want to annihilate everyjew in israel. they said specifically we wa nt israel. they said specifically we want all, to kill all thejews, and by the way, they shoot thousands of missiles at israel. i believe israel
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must be much tougher on our enemies, and yes, we have to kill every terrorist who shoots a rocket at us, something we've not been doing for many years. look at the record, mr bennett, i don't want to repeat myself, the last big assault on gaza killed 2000 palestinians, most of whom were civilians. we see in our media every week the images of the stand—off between palestinian protesters, sometimes they have stones, sometimes they have stones, sometimes they have flaming torches. they go to the fence, they are shot by israeli service personnel. we've seen by israeli service personnel. we've seen more by israeli service personnel. we've seen more than 100 killed, thousands wounded, and you're telling me that you want the israeli army and the israeli airforce to you want the israeli army and the israeli air force to up the anti— and kill more people? that's what you're saying. #colouryellow i have a better suggestion, but that the palestinians stop shooting rockets at israel. i don't know if you're maybe not understanding my question,
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but when you respond to the rocket fire that we saw as part of that recent flareup in gaza, you respond with your airforce, recent flareup in gaza, you respond with your air force, sometimes you respond with troops on the ground, but the reality is and the record shows it, the people who suffer are the civilian population, including children. that is the reality, and you want more of it. no. that is the reality because the hamas cowardly hides behind its own children. all this talk about proportionality... if you were walking on the street and from a residential home someone was shooting at you, you'd shoot back, you wouldn't be asking who's in that home. anyone who shoots at my kids, i'm going to shoot back and the only proportions i can think about are the coffin of that terrorist who is shooting at me. let's talk about the reality of the un reaction. we've seen the recent... he's retired, but the
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recent... he's retired, but the recent un commissioner for recent... he's retired, but the recent un commissionerfor human rights, zeta rab hussain, saying israel's response is suggestive of something entirely and wholly disproportionate. he looks at the casualty figures on the palestinian side. we also know the international criminal court is still investigating what you did in operation protective edge in 2014. do you understand the scrutiny being brought to bear on israel goes right through the international community and runs the risk of tarnishing israel's reputation in a very significant way? here's an idea, i would relocate the international criminal court to the outskirts of gaza for just one criminal court to the outskirts of gaza forjust one week and feel what the citizens of israel, of zone rot, feel when they're attacked by 530 rockets in one—day. for heaven's sake, let me be clear, we have no
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claims whatsoever for gaza. let them live their lives. we pulled out of gaza, we pulled out the army from gaza, we pulled out the army from gaza, we pulled out the army from gaza, we handed the keys to mahmoud abbas and these people have decided to shoot at us. when they stop attacking is the day there will be peace. we have no claims... we don't wa nt peace. we have no claims... we don't want anything from them, we just wa nt want anything from them, we just want them to lead their lives and let us lead our lives. they're not doing that. as long as they continue attacking us, we will fight back, regardless of the hypocrisy of the international institutions, which arejust a big home of international institutions, which are just a big home of hypocrisy. i understand you have serious political ambition, and we've discussed at the politicking you've been involved in in recent days, but the problem is it isn'tjust the international community that things with your uber hawkish stance you're going far too far, even the israeli army things you're going far too far. in recent days, you've criticised the army itself. this is a quote from you just a few days
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ago," we a quote from you just a few days a quote from you just a few days ago," we impose countless restrictions on our own soldiers, legal as well as mental. our fighters are more afraid of the military advocate general than they are of hamas's leaders. " you were immediately rebuked by the idf chief of staff for saying that, he said you got it plain wrong. you know, the international criminal court was founded after the second world war, in a lesson on how to prevent genocide in those sorts of situations where there is a lawless area. it has nothing to do with what is going on here. but i'm not asking you about the international criminal court. we are fighting back. and we will continue to fight back, regardless of all the legal shackles. yes, iwant regardless of all the legal shackles. yes, i want to remove them, because i think it is immoral. it is an —— it is profoundly immoral to show your second sheet to an
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enemy who is trying to kill you. all i'm saying is the heaven sakes, stop tried to kill dues. it is simple suggestion. that is all they need to do. it is a simple suggestion, but it is not an answer in any way to my question. my question was about the idea of chief of staff rebuking europe for criticising the army's own military advocate general. —— idf. the chief of staff responded by saying never mind what naftali bennett says, the military advocate general is part of the idf strength. so your contention that the idf is fighting with one hand tied behind its back is denied even by the idf itself. the idea of the mission is to win wars, to beat our enemies. our goal as the political level is to provide them the freedom of action to go and do the job and i
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think that if the jewish state wants to be here 50 years from now on, 200 yea rs to be here 50 years from now on, 200 years from now, we have to focus on one thing: getting our enemies to understand it will never work. whatever they do it will not work. we are here to stay. and then and only then will we be to reach sustainable peace. you have never been a big fan of the europeans in terms of their view of what is happening in israel. you've never been a big fan of the icc. you are a big fan of donald trump. you've talked about ukip de vries bethlehem, you have spoken about him as israel's best friend. are you suggesting that donald trump has decided, and he has said that he will launch this deal of the century, a piece proposalfor israel — palestine. he is decided, and he said this in september, that he thinks a tool that make 2—state solution would work best. you worried about that? —— he thinks
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that a 2—state solution would work best. —— argue worried about that? any plan that donald trump has, first of all, we will take a serious look at it and they respect will look at it and they respect will look at it and they respect will look at it. —— are you worried. we live here and we will live here for the next thousands of years. and we had to take care of our future. anything that he presents to us we will take a serious look at. you will take a serious look at. you will have two take easy to make very serious look at it given the support that the drop ministration has given to you and your government. —— you will have to take it very serious look at it. he says they will have to pay a higher price because they have won a big thing. that is the talk about moving the embassy to jerusalem. he said negotiators could never get past thinking ofjerusalem as the capital, but now that is off the table, so now they, the palestinians, will get something very good, now, because is their turn next. that is the reality that
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you will have to deal with.|j turn next. that is the reality that you will have to deal with. i am very supportive. i think he is right thatjerusalem has very supportive. i think he is right that jerusalem has been very supportive. i think he is right thatjerusalem has been taken off the table. and that is great news for the future of the israeli—palestinian relationship. at the end of the day, i do want to speculate. we will see what comes and we will take it as that.|j speculate. we will see what comes and we will take it as that. i guess the fundamental problem that people in israel and outside israel ask of you, naftali bennett, is what is your long—term strategic vision for your long—term strategic vision for your country? you are a guy who has absolutely steadfastly opposed a 2—state solution. you say you want to annex all of the land upon which the jewish settlements sit to annex all of the land upon which thejewish settlements sit in the occupied west bank, but you don't wa nt to occupied west bank, but you don't want to offer citizenship to the palestinian population in the west bank. to many people inside israel, and one can go back to former prime ministers like amit ulmer and brat, but also the leader of the opposition, and they say that if israel presumes you a vision, it will end up being an apartheid style
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state. they are flatly wrong. there isa state. they are flatly wrong. there is a 2—state solution right now. there is a palestinian full—fledged state in gaza. and it has been a huge and unmitigated disaster. so you traded at once, we will not try it out again on a bigger scale when it out again on a bigger scale when it fell so colossally in gaza. they have everything. they have a...m you lease these to the west bank like you did to gaza, there might be some relevance to that, but that is not on the table, because you have all this receptors settlements that you intend to annex. —— because you have all these jewish settlements. if israel pursues eurovision, you would end up with a population, before too long, that was largely arab palestinian. —— pursues your vision. so you would be violating
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democratic values and international law. i am touched by the care. in gaza you are confusing cause and consequence. at the moment, the people in gaza have decided to stop fighting israel. there is no siege, by the way. they can bring in as many trucks of food or clothing, you name it, it is a limited. they don't have a lot of money because mum and a tried to starve. first of all there is no siege there. —— mahmoud abbas. whereas there. this has been a terrible disaster. we are not suckers to try and do that yet again ona suckers to try and do that yet again on a bigger scale injudaea in samaria. i would appreciate if you would address that point that you wa nt would address that point that you want the land, you are determined to annex it, even though they would be
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illegal under international law, but you don't want to give the arab palestinian population, which would very soon be a majority in the whole land of this future israel, you do not want to give them a full voice, it would violate democratic party is, and international law. -- democratic party is. in the areas that would apply is rarely law, those palestinians in those areas to which numbers between 50000 and 100,000 palestinians, they would be offered is rarely citizenship. —— democratic values. so factually you're wrong. the rest of the area would become an area managed by them. they have everything they want. it would be less of a state in that they cannot have an army and cannot have an influx of 7 million descendants of alastair refugees create an and overflow demographic disaster in the land of israel. -- palestinian refugees. one must
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question which takes us back to the beginning, you made a powerplay against binyamin netanyahu. it failed. the you still see yourself asa failed. the you still see yourself as a future prime minister of israel? after the binyamin netanyahu error i intend to become the prime minister. as long as he is around and is doing a fairly good job, i intend to stand beside him, to help him, hopefully as the defence minister in the next government. how long do you give him? how long do you think the benjamin netanyahu era will last? i have no idea. you know, he has genes at his parents to let long lives. i wish a very long life. as long as the israeli public support is ten he will continue being the bid by minister of israel. —— supports. being the bid by minister of israel. -- supports. naftali bennett, thank you for being on hardtalk. thank you very much, stephen. hello there.
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for many, though they started on a cold note with some places getting down as low as minus seven degrees. but for friday morning, not as cold, because there is a lot of cloud around. it will be often cloudy throughout the day. showers for some, but not all. the satellite picture shows quite a lot of cloud. this cloud across the north—east is thick and low, producing the odd spot of rain and drizzle. this brighter more speckled cloud to the south—west is capable of producing some showers. so throughout friday, we have the potential of heavy thundery showers to the south—west. some drifting into east wales, maybe north—west england.
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patchy rain across the north—west of scotland. elsewhere a lot of dry weather, but equally a lot of cloud. if you're across the midlands, east anglia, and the south—east, i am hopeful that this will break up a little to reveal some of sunshine. the others are sunshine elsewhere, but hefty showers never too far from the south—west. for north—west england, particularly cumbria, northern ireland and england, the best chance of sunshine for the day. the eastern and northern scotland, a lot of cloud. murky and drizzly and damp conditions for a lot of time. temperatures generally 6—10 degrees larger isn't cloud through the night stopping the temperatures from dropping too far. the showers rumble into the far south—west, these could be heavy and thundery and even cause if you travel issues. those overnight lows between three and seven degrees in most places. we start the weekend like this. high pressured to the to the north, low pressure to the south. the printer is an easterly wind which at this time of year
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will never be particularly warm. one in the system perilously close to southern england perilously close to hear. uncertainty about just how far north it will get. really only spots to the south of the m4 a likely to be effected. otherwise mostly dry. the best of any brightness of sunshine to be found in the west. those temperatures 7—10 degrees, not feeling too bad. but on sunday we are likely to bring some slightly colder air backing from the north—east. —— back in. those temperatures are taking a bit of a tumble. still a lot of cloud and the odd spot of rain and drizzle. not as much rain at this stage to the south. temperatures into single digits for most of us. then into the start of next week, a bit ofa battleground for a time. high—pressure trying to hold firm. this area of low pressure pushing in from the atlantic. it looks like most of us will have one more fine day on monday. it will still be pretty cloudy. then for tuesday, the potential for wet and increasingly windy weather to push in from the west. i'm kasia madera in london.
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