tv Brexit Blind Dates BBC News December 1, 2018 1:30pm-2:00pm GMT
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hello. this is bbc news. the headlines: the former us president george bush senior has died aged 94. his son george w bush described him as a man of the highest character. a tenth member of the government resigns over brexit. the former science minister sam gyimah says the prime minister's plan is naive and calls for a second referendum. more than 120 people have been arrested in paris during violent protests over rising fuel prices. it's the third weekend of demonstrations in which thousands of people have taken to the streets. alaska is rocked by aftershocks after the powerful earthquake which damaged roads and buildings. around 10,000 residents are currently without power. we will have the headlines at the top of the hour. now on bbc news, what happens when two strong—minded individuals from opposite sides of the brexit debate sit down for dinner
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without knowing they are meeting? let's find out in brexit blind dates. brexit is coming, and politics is on the menu. so what happens when you send two people with opposing views on a blind date? i'm just really nervous. will daggers be drawn? i mean, do we keep the borders open? did you hear me say that? 0r deals done? high—five! will they want their brexit hard? are you feeling that? wow! 0r soft? and will the political... i would have voted for brexit. well, i'm leaving. ..get personal? you know, we could have a wonderful time. really, darling? is this going to have, like, a bit of a tongue in cheek kind of vibe to it? 0k. hello, i'm zara, i was
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on love island this year and season four and used to be a civil servant. you have to be completely impartial so i've chosen to resign. do you know how weird it is to be able to talk about my political opinion. i've had to hold it in for three years now. conservative is what you'd say probably. my name is magid, lord mayor of sheffield. i generally don't fit the role what people would expect when they think of a lord mayor. people either like me generally or they really loathe me. i voted to leave. i voted remain. i'm actually excited. i brought some flowers. set the tone a bit. lam single. in an ideal man they have to be quite charming, a little bit sensitive and can have good conversation. i just completely described my boyfriend. this is so over. everybody go home.
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i'm really nervous. i'm not usually outsmarted. i think this person is going to be smart. good afternoon. hello. magid. zara. nice to meet you. i know the country is going through a bit of a divorce but i thought i would just bring some flowers. thank you. and i can't forget, i've got you some of sheffield's finest henderson relish. thank you so much. nice to meet you. how are you feeling? a bit nervous. what about you ? i am really excited. are you single? no, i have got a boyfriend. god! shall i just leave? my name's aisleyne horgan—wallace, and the older generation will probably know me from a show called big brother. when it was good!
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i'm nervous about the date, because you've probably got me with some real intellectual... i can't say bleep, can i? my name is robert winston, i'm professor of science and society at imperial college in london. i've literally come from the gutter, i lived in hostels and had no parents. when i entered the house of lords, it was assumed i'd sit, like most scientists, on the crossbenches. but they found out i was a member of the labour party. i voted for brexit. the way i see the eu is like having a broken leg and then trying to pick up someone else that's got two broken legs and carry them to the hospital. brexit was not based on rational decisions. i think people that are still remain are a bit obnoxious! rude. no, i'm not rude, actually, that's not true. i'm essentially quite a shy individual. i have one or two ideas of who i think it might be, but i'm not going to say. who is this? he looks like super mario!
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hello! hi. hello, aisleyne. how do you do? you're very dapper! well, i'm not really, actually, i'm just dressed for work! so you think we should stay part of the eu? well, unfortunately, i don't know that we can anymore, i think we've probably burnt our boats. and i'm happy about that. yeah, and i understand that you are, because you're a brexiteer and you voted for it. what are your thoughts towards people saying that we should have a people's vote? you can'tjust vote again until you get the result you want. being honest, when we voted in 2016 it was like do you want to leave or remain? nobody, even the government didn't know what the outcome of that was going to be because let's be honest, they thought we were going to remain. i thought we were going to, to be honest. the whole point of democracy is you are allowed to change your mind. i think people obviously change their minds now and i agree,
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i think if there was another referendum that would come out remain but you can't just say we are going to go down this path and you go all this way and then you go, should we do it still, do you think we should still do it, should we still go for it? i think, all of that time would have been completely wasted time. it's devaluing it i think, devaluing the democracy. there is a lot of, there's a lot of like, opinions out there that brexit is going down the pan. why should we go on almost a tainted view, why don't we go on the original unbiased view. you would say the last referendum was not biased and it was a level playing field. do you reckon there we re any playing field. do you reckon there were any lies told by the leave
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campaign to the electorate? i don't know. i'm sure there was on both sides. parties live. i'm a freelance journalist. i voted leave. for those small minority that really hate brexit, ijust don't get it. i'm stanleyjohnson, it. i'm stanley johnson, an environmentalist, formerly a member of the european parliament, i voted remain. my remain. my father is an irish immigrant, he isa my father is an irish immigrant, he is a builder, my politics is about putting power into the hands of the working class. i'm conservative. i cannot point to one mp i really trust to handle brexit. i think it's going very badly. theresa may has not got the heart, jacob rees—mogg is good on brexit
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buy a disagree with him on everything else. i would not trust borisjohnson everything else. i would not trust boris johnson as far as everything else. i would not trust borisjohnson as far as i can throw him. i don't know whether it will be a man or a woman. i've not been on a date in abbott six years. i actually really looking forward to going on a date. hello, i'm stanley. very nice to see you. i think our nhs and our teachers are underpaid, overworked. everything is stretching at the seams and we put so much money into the eu and we're propping up money into the eu and we're propping up other countries when we need to focus on things at home. i've worked in the health service for 40 years of my professional life. thank you for your service. so i feel... no, don't patronise me. no, that is not... is that patronising? i didn't mean it patronisingly!
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i wasjust being nice. all right, 0k, thank you. the move to brexit is putting the health service under massive strain, and we have no way of training the number of doctors that we need in this country, or the number of nurses that we need in this country, and that is going to cost more than we can afford. but we can still have european and doctors and nurses come over... they're not coming, they're leaving, they're leaving. yeah, i understand that they're leaving, but once we're in control, we can invite them from all over the world we so need them. let me just take my own laboratory. my own laboratory, a few years ago, had about a hundred people in it. in that laboratory, there were 19 european languages. not one of those people have stayed in the united kingdom, they've all left because... since brexit? because of brexit. we don't have a single european in my lab anymore. they might change their mind, it's not factual... they will not change their mind. they might! forgive me, i know them, they're my employees. ok, but why? forgive me, i'm not trying to dispute your experience... no, i don't really have an experience, it's just opinion. well, then it is opinion
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against what's factually happening. you understand insecurity, you've been insecure yourself, you know what it's like to be out of a job. yes, yes. but you don't know about scientists' careers — why should you? now who's being patronising? no, i'm not being patronising. brexit is doing my head in, but i mean we're balls deep in it now, we've voted for brexit, and we've just got cuts to things that are being absolutely, like, taking advantage of, ie the benefits system and the nhs... taken advantage of? there are definitely people on benefits or do not need to be on benefits. and i think there's a really good thing to be able to produce in the uk. almost like a couponing system. to be able to really monitor that, and now that it's not going to waste. because i think it is quite a risky thing, isn't it, to give someone a lot of money andjust be, like, here's some money for you. if they're an addict, it won't feed their addiction, so i think that would
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be really beneficial. ijust think it's an inhumane way to say, listen, here's some tokens, you can only buy this. it takes that freedom away from people. people want to get a luxury from time to time. and just because they're on benefits, doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to do that. but i think that there should be at least 50% or 60% of it should be that. no system is ever going to be perfect. there are always going to be flaws in the system but we should try and make it as best as we can. i don't understand why you're single, i think you're fantastic. it has been an absolute joy. if you are in sheffield, come and see me. from my point of view i think the
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best thing to do now would be no deal, give the proverbialfinger to the eu and save the most important thing is seeing this through in its entirety. cheers. here's toa entirety. cheers. here's to a successful outcome. entirety. cheers. here's to a successful outcomelj think here's to a successful outcome.” think we both agree on that. we have so many different point of view within your family, what discussions like at the dinner table? the amazing thing is we have total harmony in the family in the sense that we know that this deal is not where we want to go, boris is saying let's shock chequers time with him on that, wedged shut it. —— let's chuck it. in the long view it is perfectly possible in the future
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of the country might say we were right. so you've come to some sort of agreement within your family despite being on the different sides. but it's the stage after that we might disagree about. thank you. i was on the board of the remaining campaign. i'm a racing driver. i'm perry mccarthy, i'm an ex—racing driver, and i was the original stig on bbc top gear. i come from the east end of london originally. dad was a painter and decorator. i am a full—on cockney and proud. i am a labour supporter. i've normally voted conservative.
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well, brexit, what can i say? brexit has given me many grey hairs. i'm now spending much more money on dye. i voted to leave. so, a brexiteer. it was completely from an economics perspective. yeah, i think i'm a good date. i'm a cheap date, because i don't drink. so, i hope whoever it is, they're paying! i like to think i'm generous. hey, let's see. hi! hello. how are you? i'm good, pleased to meet you. i'm perry, pleased to meet you. i'mjune. 0h, did you ride here? well, this is going to give you a bit of a clue as to who i am. 0k. do you watch top gear? are you the... mystery person?! i was. i was the first one. no! oh, how wonderful! 0k! how much do you think brexit is going to cost us?
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yeah, there might be a couple of years where things are a little bit hard. it'll be a lot longer than a couple of years. teething pains, but for example they predicted that the pound was going to crash and there'd be all this devastation if brexit won, and brexit won and there was none of that. so it's all a lot of assumptions. no, the pound has crashed. well, not dramatically to the point where we're in a catastrophic situation. hang on, dramatically enough to undoubtedly increase inflation in this country, because of course when not self—sufficient, we can't produce the produce we have to feed the people... we did before, we did before. we haven't for years. no, i'm sorry, we haven't historically since the 15th century. since the 15th century... so eu, if they stop trading with us, that's to their detriment — we are the customer, we're going to give them money, they want the money, we want the produce — it's not going to stop.
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it's going to cost more, that's the problem. well, then, maybe the farmers in our own great britain can have more of a chance... i loved our lunch. the food was ok but, actually, the soup was good, but you can't really talk while eating soup. what about the company?! the company, darling? who cares about the food? we're never going to agree on brexit. i don't think so, because i think ais feels... i love it, he called me ais... you feel that this is really not negotiable. ithink... yeah, like i said, we're balls deep and we've just got to deal with it now. hmm. we agree about something. bye, darling. take care. bye. like the french. which is eu. see you later. hello. nice to meet you. beautiful. thank you. that was the
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right thing to say! i'm a film—maker. right thing to say! i'm a film-maker. and swedish, i worked in tv as a presenter.” i'm a film-maker. and swedish, i worked in tv as a presenter. i think people in the uk best known me as the guy that will take the picture. 0h, the guy that will take the picture. oh, my god, will you take my picture! i would have voted for brexit. what is brexit, that sounds very itchy. i do not particularly like the eu. i don't like confrontation. do you like it here? i love it. i've been here for 39 years. so you moved here the day of your birth. that's right. it is important the british people
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have the chance to give their approval to this. you are suspicious and say the second vote is a way of undermining it. what we asked for the government to do something, this is what they have done and we endorse it, are you saying that would not be an effective way of people exercising their vote. potential that what we already did it. i would never potential that what we already did it. iwould never support potential that what we already did it. i would never support a second referendum, that would feel like selling out. but you might increase the majority. the point of having that second say undermines the first save. the book argue and say you are more democracy, it is more democracy to have more votes but is not democracy to rerun the vote. we we re democracy to rerun the vote. we were told by the remaining campaign is the moment we decided we we re campaign is the moment we decided we
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were not coming out there was going to be immediate problems with the uk economy, neither of those things have been proved true so far look what's happened to our currency. to the value of the pound, which is crippling small businesses when it comes to import and exports. no, that's not correct. it is! no, it doesn't cripple small business on export, because it makes us cheaper. but it's costing you more to import stuff. you're going to have to increase the export on whatever you're charging to make up the shortfall. you had a sweeping statement about the value of the pound. well, i will focus it down... ..being detrimental. i will focus it down for you... for me?! oh, thank you! for you, very! so i can understand it, yeah?! no, that's not what i said. brexit has broken open a new space
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in british politics and i don't think politics will go back to the way it was. if you brexit you fix it. that was one of the best dates i've ever been on. i'm thinking of starting a campaign called save the date. we obviously come at it from different backgrounds and that has been part of the nature of it. i'll take you on the walk, that should be our second date. save the date. how about march the 29th 2019. i'll see you there. i can't, i'm washing my hair that day. thank you very much. thanks very much. goodbye.
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i felt very strongly, i would have voted for brexit. i'm leaving. that's the end of this beautiful relationship! what was it, prides on the table, after my research, i would vote against it. —— cards on the table.” believe the eu has become a mass of bloated machine that is taking big chunks of sovereignty and law.” bloated machine that is taking big chunks of sovereignty and law. i had an uncle like that. i believe a people's vote is absolutely necessary. i think it's only right that we take the terms of the deal back to people for them to have a final say. and, as a remainer, if that vote went leave again, you'd never hear another word
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from me again. but when people voted, i felt that they did vote to say, "we're out". and that was the most easy thing for them to understand. now to turn round and say to them, right, "well, we didn't "like that first vote, we're going to have another vote"... no, no, no, no, that's not what this is. this is about saying, if we're out, this is what out really means. are you sure? looking into the camera. i have not changed her view but i have taught her how to sit like the stig.” enjoyed it. so did i. and i thought you made some really important and valid points. is that when i said hello. it was great listening to you, you are passionate and a teacher that. what you think i'm
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wrong! you just stole my punch line. match made in heaven. aren't you going to bring your helmet. goodbye! goodbye. amazing. leaving the eu for lgbt people here is very concerning. the laws that have been bolstering lgbt equality here are eu laws. now those laws will need to be recreated in the uk and there is lots of concern or some concern, and there is lots of concern or some concern, from lg bt and there is lots of concern or some concern, from lgbt people who are being taught that would be redundant, we are fine. if we are leaving the eu, one thing i insist upona leaving the eu, one thing i insist upon a strong law in the uk that at least matches what the eu gave us.” would like to think this country is
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advanced enough that we would definitely stick to what we've known, but i don't think we can take it for granted. i loved it. i sort of adore you. i have to say. you're kind of amazing. ifi have to say. you're kind of amazing. if i had somebody that was to shouting or so off—putting, i would rather listen and then go, yeah, you're right, actually. it's what we've got in common and how we fixed it. we should have been the poster boy and girl brexit, this is how you do it, you sit down on top. can i get a hug? after you. thank you. goodbye. goodbye. we've had a fair bit of rain through this morning, slowly working its way not at least and
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things are turning drier but not across parts of scotland where the rain has been falling heavily across edinburgh. all tied into this frontal system moving its way across the uk and another front arriving for sunday's sole reason never too far away. this is where it has been falling in the past 2a hours, still continuing —— continuing forfar north of england and central belt of scotland, this eases away in the coming hours to leave most with a dry and to the day, some breaks in the cloud. channel coast will see gusts of a0 mph but for england and wales it is a mild afternoon. much more chilly across northern ireland, northern england and scotland. this evening and overnight, clear skies for a time before more rain arrives, this pushes north and east. clear
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skies across the far north and east of scotland, and there we will see some mist and a touch of frost. another mild night in england and wales. as this from work across northern scotland tomorrow we are likely to see snow for a time about 600 metres across the highlands and lingering rain across the central belt. further south things turning drier after early morning rain and the rain clears away from northern ireland, england and wales but showers moved in from the west on some fairly strong winds. just unlikely to exceed a0 mph for some channel coast. another mild afternoon for england and wales —— they are likely to exceed a0 mph. into mandate we are outbreaks of rain across southern england, further rain and snow for northern scotla nd further rain and snow for northern scotland —— into monday. in between
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for many it is a decent start to the week, windy across england and wales, he cold wind blowing across northern scotland. temperatures struggled to get up of nine celsius. looking ahead, tuesday, after a cold, sunny start, more rain from the south and west, a fairly u nsettled the south and west, a fairly unsettled loot in the week ahead. that's all from me. goodbye. this is bbc news, i'm lukwesa burak. the headlines at 2pm: the former us president george bush senior has died aged 9a. his son george w bush described him as a man of the highest character and the best dad you could ask for. he served as the a1st us president between 1989 and 1993, his term was defined by the cold war and his victory in the first iraq war against saddam hussein.
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