hello it's monday, it's10:ooam. i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning and welcome to birmingham. applause in just over a week, mps vote on theresa may's brexit deal. and this morning we want to know from you how do you want your mp to vote? i want my mp to support the vote because it's reasonable and ensures brexit will happen. i would like my mp to vote this down as i voted for a clean break. after such a long period of uncertainty and such a close exit date i am left with a sense of impending doom. close exit date i am left with a sense of impending doomli close exit date i am left with a sense of impending doom. i don't wa nt sense of impending doom. i don't want the deal. i want michael gof to vote yes because it allows us to move on with our lives and businesses. and wherever you are in the country, tell us what you want your mp to do.

send us an email, victoria@bbc.co.uk or use the hashtag victorialive. we're live till 11:30 this morning with an audience of around 60 people, evenly balanced between leave and remain and everything in between. some are campaigners, but most are just people who care how brexit will affect their lives. we have those who back theresa may's deal and those who don't, before we hearfrom our audience and you, let's bring you a summary of the news from reeta. the government's chief legal adviser, the attorney general, will publish a shortened version of his guidance on theresa may's brexit withdrawal agreement today, but mps of all parties are demanding to see the document in full. they are concerned by reports that geoffrey cox's advice contains a suggestion that the uk could end up in an indefinite customs union with the eu. the government says it must be free

to receive full and frank legal advice in confidence. figures compiled by the bbc indicate that about 40,000 retailjobs have either been lost or put at risk this year. 20,000 people have lost theirjobs, while a similar number are approaching christmas under the threat of redundancy. a change in shopping habits and rising business costs have been blamed for the difficulties facing retailers. a global conference on tackling climate change, the most critical meeting since the 2015 paris agreement, has opened in poland amid warnings that global warming poses a greater threat to humanity than ever before. some a0 heads of state and government are due to address the two—week gathering in poland and later today sir david attenborough will make a speech. sir david will be representing the un's "people's seat", an initiative which gave citizens around the world the opportunity to send their messages to leaders via social media. the head of mi6, alex younger, will warn russia

"not to underestimate our capabilities" in a rare speech this morning. he'll describe how the intelligence service exposed those behind the novichok poisoning in salisbury, when a former russian spy and his daughter were targeted, and a british woman died. mr younger will address students at st andrew's university. the amount of money councils have spent on care for people aged 65 and over in england, scotland and wales has fallen in the past eight years, according to figures analysed by the bbc. in england it has plummeted by almost a quarter, but scotland and wales have largely protected their budgets. the government says the figures don't take into account money the nhs puts into the system. a landmark court case could give vegans legal protection against discrimination. a former employee of the league against cruel sports says he was sacked for his beliefs. the league denies this and says he was dismissed for gross misconduct. that's a summary of the latest news.

let's go back to victoria in birmingham. good morning and welcome back to birmingham. applause this morning we're broadcasting live from east end foods cash and carry right in the heart of the city, in aston. this is a business that belongs to one of our brexit bunch, a group of people we're following as the uk leaves the eu and beyond. we have huge vats of cooking oil, every spice under the sun. we have giant tens of chopped tomatoes, all the way up, 18 metres? we are

grateful to jason, the owner for inviting us here today. we're in birmingham because during the eu referendum two years ago, opinions were almost exactly equally split here. just a shade over 50% voted to leave the eu, 50.4% to be exact. and now, two years on, mps are about to take part in a vote which is fundamental to your future and to the future of our country. the stakes couldn't be higher. theresa may has just over a week left to persuade enough politicians to vote for the brexit plan she's negotiated. those politicians were elected by you, they're in parliament to serve you. so how do you want them to vote? jason wouhra, hannah davis and benoit nakimovitch michelle lisa i think we need to vote for the deal because we have had two years of uncertainty. it has affected

businesses and employment in the country and the general stability. is it country and the general stability. isita country and the general stability. is it a good deal? in any negotiation there is a balance. it's not a good deal? it is somewhere in the middle and we need to keep pushing. it is an average deal? you need to keep pushing, so she could get more? i think she should push as ha rd get more? i think she should push as hard as she can. politicians have done is a big injustice in not explaining the scenario properly and in—depth, to the general public. applause jason wants his mp to vote for, what about yourself? i am hannah and i we re about yourself? i am hannah and i were in the pharmaceutical industry andl were in the pharmaceutical industry and i want my mp to vote against the deal because it is not pleasing anyone either side of the argument. you are alongside your partner, do you agree with hannah? no, not really. i just want you agree with hannah? no, not really. ijust want this deal to be voted and to move on. we have been

talking about it for two years and i wa nt talking about it for two years and i want to move on with our lives. hannah, why do you want them to vote against it? for people who want to remain, any deal is not acceptable. for the people who voted leave, such a large proportion want no deal. there seems to be quite a small minority that won best deal on both sides. but you want it voted down because? i would like a second vote. whichever way that goes, then i think that is fine, but now we have a clearer picture, it would be good to take it back to the people. but you would hope remain would win this time? of course, but either way i think there is so many issues around whether we were light to, it would just settle it once and for all now we know the full picture, to have another vote. what do you say to

your partner? the same, we have been talking about it for two years now. when you are at home are you like hannah, enough, we have had a referendum? exactly. ithink there won't be any good deals out of leaving the eu, that's my conviction. but nevertheless you say vote for this and let's crack on? yes, it is here now and a lot of people hope, i hope they know what they are doing. do you think a lot of politicians in this country know what they are doing, as a frenchman? no comment. i am michelle, i am a social history curator. the main concerns for me, i don't feel we actually made an informed vote initially. i am going to bring you forward two years, how do you want yourmp to forward two years, how do you want your mp to vote? i don't think the deal is in ourfavour and i am concerned about the freedom of

movement. the four freedoms party original deal was made... theresa may said it would end the four freedoms as janmaat it will totally end and that is why we joined the eu in the first place. young people have been voted down and i want to do our politicians ensure freedom of movement encourages our economy because we are not the industrial nation we used to be. you want to vote it down to get what? the better deal to have the freedom of movement of people. you want theresa may to go back to brussels who have already said, this is it. i have been in relationships and just because somebody says something... doesn't mean it is ok. i think there is a little bit more movement in that. 0k, very interesting, michelle. you wa nt 0k, very interesting, michelle. you want yourmp to 0k, very interesting, michelle. you want your mp to vote it down, stephanie, hello? i am from glasgow.

what would you your mp to do? vote it down because there isn't enough clarity to tell us what is going on. 584 pa g es clarity to tell us what is going on. 584 pages of clarity?” clarity to tell us what is going on. 584 pages of clarity? i am a psychology student and we read a lot. have you read it? most of it. we have to look what has been said between the lines. not a lot of clarity that makes me feel safe and secure clarity that makes me feel safe and secure in my future. i don't know if i will be able to work abroad. we don't know this will impact research projects at my university. where are the answers? there is the 584 pages of the withdrawal agreement and 26 pages of the political declaration for the future relationship. half my family voted for brexit anne

hart voted against. i am voted for people's assembly. i'd want a second referendum. he won your mp to vote against theresa may's deal because you hope it will get you to a second referendum, how? there is no clarity on what this brexit means brexit myth is. we have been sold lies, we lacked clarity and don't know what the 584 page document is. everyone has different interpretations. as a member of a minority community, i see my voice or my face being represented. lots of people say get on with it, but what is get on with it? i feel the future on with it, but what is get on with it? ifeel the future is in more jeopardy today than it is moving forward. i think our politicians haven't answered anything and we are pushing for the worst deal possible. applause i represent small businesses in planning their way through the risks

of brexit. is business booming? sadly it is not it is all around education everybody is still very hesitant. i want my mp to vote no deal. sorry i don't want her to vote for this. you want her to vote against it, why? the reason being, it will mean we stay in an indefinite customs union that could be detrimental to the future deals we can strike across the world. it is notjust we can strike across the world. it is not just about we can strike across the world. it is notjust about brexit but global economic change and we need to embrace that. you know theresa may says if this deal is voted down... she has had a lot of things...m says if this deal is voted down... she has had a lot of things. .. it is no deal potentially a disorderly brexit or no brexit at all. no brexit or no brexit at all. no brexit at all we can fall back on the wto rules, although there is an issue around that at the moment with the debate and trump and resisting to get on the appeal panel at the moment. we need a lot more to deal

with that. what theresa may didn't do was prepare our country for a no deal scenario. this is what i urge small businesses to do now, better late than never but at least think about it and embrace the changes. thank you for your messages from around the country. tony says it live in a dream world if you think of mps vote the way their constituents want them to vote. even mps are laughing, although not labour's bill masterson. jason perry says they vote out there conscience dictates. as long as they keep their snouts in the trough. reject the deal, call for people's vote with remain as an option. how many people even understand that no deal means no transition period. business would be decimated. and some warm on twitter says wto please, clean break asap. let's introduce our politicians this morning. with us today are chris skidmore,

the former cabinet office minister, and a serving conservative mp. with us from labour is the mp bill esterson, and the mp stephen gethins is here from the snp. we also have some campaigners in the audience — the ukip mep margot parker, who thinks theresa may's deal cedes far too much power to the eu. share femi 0luwole from the people's vote campaign, which wants a second referendum, and lucy harris from the group ‘leavers of britain' who are campaigning for a hard brexit. chris morris is the bbc‘s reality check correspondent. he knows everything there is to know about brexit and can cut through the jargon and spin. no pressure, no pressure. and it's probably worthjust sketching out what else we're going to talk about this morning.

we're going to look at the deal the prime minister has struck with brussels, what the uk's future relationship with the eu might be, and what happens if the pm's deal is voted down next week. plus we'll ask you what you want to happen next. and don't worry, we'll explain what everything could mean for you. so first, let's have a look at part of the deal mps will vote on next week. it's officially called the "withdrawal agreement" — here it is, explained for you in under two minutes. theresa may's brexit deal hasn't made everyone happy by a long shot, but what exactly is in it? well, the withdrawal agreement, as it's called, comes in at 585 pages long. it covers some key points. first up, a length of time called the transition period, to let both sides try to make a trade deal and give businesses time to adjust. in that period, nothing much changes, goods, services and people can still come in and out without barriers. the transition period lasts until the end of 2020

and could be extended further. second main part of the deal, how much the uk will have to pay to break up. that's around £39 billion, to cover our slice of the eu budget and other bits like pensions for eu officials. third is citizens‘ rights. there are 1 million of us choosing to live in the eu and another 3 million eu citizens living here. this deal means anyone who makes that choice up to the end of the transition period, will continue to have roughly the same rights, to stay, work and access things like health care. finally, there is perhaps the trickiest issue, the only land border between the uk and the eu. today, this border between northern ireland and the republic is almost invisible. no one wants to see border posts and customs checks again, not least because it could put the peace process at risk. this deal means we'll

have a backstop, a sort of last—ditch insurance policy, so if a better solution cannot be found, the whole of the uk will remain in a single customs area with the eu until both sides are happy. and northern ireland will be even more closely linked to eu rules than the rest of us. let's ask chris, vice—chairman of the conservative party, one of them anyway. if everything pretty much remains the same for another two yea rs, remains the same for another two years, how can your government claimed the uk is leaving on march the 29th? the withdrawal agreement that has been agreed in principle, the 585 page document sets out in detail thousands of hours of negotiation. but the next two years it's pretty the same as it is now? the government will look at negotiating and signing future trade

deals. things they could be getting on with ready for them once the implementation period finishes. on with ready for them once the implementation period finishesm is the emperor's new clothes, isn't it? no, we have had a 40 year relationship historically going back centuries. on march the 29th, we are not really leaving? we won't be part of the european parliament, we don't have representatives there. in terms of the change people will see, we can look to diverged from regulations, work out how you would like our countries to look like after the implementation period finishes. it is right we don't have the cliff edge. i passionately back this deal because it is in the best interests of the country that we make sure we have a smooth transition. people have campaigned for 40 years, since the first referendum it had in 1975. two years will pass quickly and the last two yea rs have will pass quickly and the last two years have passed quickly and we will be best prepared to leave the european union. or in the backstop

situation, it could be extended? there are legal duties on both the uk and the eu to make sure they get the future relationship turned into a trade deal. in two years? that is when the withdrawal agreement and the future relationship is important. we have set out a vision of where we want to go. a vision, exactly. ian austin is a labour backbencher and he says this withdrawal agreement delivers on the substance is behind most, if not all of labour's six tests. do you agree? the labour party agreed at our co nfe re nce the labour party agreed at our conference in september, a way forward to address the needs of the economy and jobs. ian is one person, the rest of the party is united around our policy, we reject the withdrawal agreement and make sure in ouramendment on withdrawal agreement and make sure in our amendment on the 11th of december there is no chance of crashing out with no deal either.“ there a majority for that, no to the

deal and no two are no deal? yes, it is clear that is likely to happen on the 11th of december. we want an alternative agreement that commands alternative agreement that commands a majority in parliament back and start to heal some of the division we heard between leave voters and remain voters this morning and i hear it all the time up and down the country. we think we have got it with the customs union to negotiate alongside the european union, that prevents a hard border in ireland, that avoids friction in trade and also a single market deal that protects the workers '5 chris herd he wants to protect earlier. there isa he wants to protect earlier. there is a report in a paper that mrs may might delay because she's going to lose? there is so much misinformation... can you guarantee the vote is going to happen? sajid javid was on the radio saying it is

going ahead and it has been decided by the whips. we will have this five—day debate starting today and on wednesday we will have several votes, not just the on wednesday we will have several votes, notjust the one vote, labour amendments as well that are coming. we have got to get this done, there are 116 days until march the 29th when we leave the european union and we have to make sure we have got a plan in place. as an snp mp are you going to back this amendment which is reject mrs may's deal and reject no deal? we will look at the labour amendment because we are in a minority parliament and everybody has to work together. imex the house of commons more european because we wa nt of commons more european because we want to see if we cannot stay in the eu, which is the best deal. we stay in the single market and the customs union. that is best for business. it is notjust me saying that, but chris' colleagues in the treasury saying that. do you feel reassured by this? no, i

am an eu citizen and i have been in the uk for ten years. it reduces our right so we lose all future voting rights, 3 million citizens here and 1.5 million to 2 million brits in the eu become representation list. i find interesting female prime minister in 2018, celebrating 100 yea rs of minister in 2018, celebrating 100 years of the suffragettes, it reduces the rights of people to vote. applause ‘s she says this safeguard rights to stay and carry on. she also caused the >> liem: called us queuejumpers and doesn't know how to apologise in public. we have been left in legal limbo for the last two years. the application for sap of status, the application for sap of status, the application coming out on the 1st of

april doesn't work. the trial is running at the moment have a rates of 10%. i don't know how that can be safeguarding anyone's rights but at the same time she tells us we are valued. you have nightmares of being deported? i have had coming yes. yes i have and i am sure i am not the only one. i know i am not the only one. iam only one. i know i am not the only one. i am part of a group called in limbo andi one. i am part of a group called in limbo and i have written a book about eu citizens in the uk. brits in the eu are shamed and angry. they didn't have a vote in this referendum because they have been out of the country for 15 years and they are disenfranchised. what to say to that potentially being deported? part of the constitution cove red deported? part of the constitution covered voting rights as looking at our democracy. i can only tell you as part of the negotiating process, we made it clear we would be respecting voting rights for eu

citizens, local elections for instance. i have no voting rights in the withdrawal agreement. british citizens and eu citizens will be voting because we will be having those elections. when it comes to local elections, we are looking at that. we were clear from the beginning we would be protecting eu citizens' rights. so if eu citizens' rights and uk citizens' rights on the continent have been so important, why did new, last may when the eu said we are ring fencing any eu citizen in the uk or any uk citizens in the eu, why didn't you agree to that is, why did you then bring in an immigration system that is dinner scraped knee. what we cannot guarantee is all those 27 other countries will agree to british citizens' rights within those countries so it is a balance ina those countries so it is a balance in a negotiation that needs to take place, notjust with in a negotiation that needs to take place, not just with the eu in a negotiation that needs to take place, notjust with the eu but individual countries and their

voting rights in their national parliaments. there is a complexity, iadmit we parliaments. there is a complexity, i admit we need to solve.|j parliaments. there is a complexity, i admit we need to solve. i am going to move on... we want to make sure there is a pathway through their systems to give you settled status and you can take british nationality. at the back, hello. withdrawal agreement? mrs may said ends free movement, ends is giving cash every year to the eu and we are close enough in terms of trade and rules and regulations that will protect your jobs, rules and regulations that will protect yourjobs, she says?” rules and regulations that will protect yourjobs, she says? i don't buy it. apparently we are leaving the european union on the 29th of march and we will have to continue to ta ke march and we will have to continue to take laws implemented by the eu for the next two years. that is not leaving. the divorce bill as well, is absolutely mind—boggling. £40 billion is a number you cannot comprehend, just for some contacts. 1 million seconds is about three

days and 1 billion seconds is 32 yea rs. days and 1 billion seconds is 32 years. this amount of money is astronomical. i cannot believe our government has agreed to sign it over. applause lets talk to people who work in business, does this give you transition? does it help you? i am nick thompson, a managing director ofa nick thompson, a managing director of a software company in london. i voted to remain initially. i was very disappointed when i heard about the outcome. but what happens over the outcome. but what happens over the last few years, business has seen a big upturn in and actually it's put us in a bit of a catch—22 in that whilst we have a great demand for services, we need lots of people to do the work and there is a shortage of uk technology workers. what do you think of this withdrawal agreement, does it help or hinder? it hinders the business because there is a shortage of skilled in there is a shortage of skilled in the tech industry and we have 25

vacancies but there are 600,000 vacancies but there are 600,000 vacancies in the digital technology sector. by restricting the free movement of people we potentially lose out. what about people from outside the eu? we would love to employ more people from outside the eu but the immigration system is expensive and bureaucratic. so dropping the eu workers into the same pot as those people will be a problem. the government needs a better immigration system and a better immigration system and a better tear to visa system otherwise the digital world will suffer. you voted remain but now you are pro brexit? you want the steel to come through? it is about procrastination, we need to get on with things. the decision was made and we need to get on with it. harry, you work for ba, labour supporter and voted leave, do you wa nt supporter and voted leave, do you want this withdrawal agreement to go through? no, for the simple reason it is not controlling the borders,

the money, the laws. she says it is doing all that. there is a lot of ifs and buts and still, two out of three have said crashing out and falling off a cliff, same terminology that was used during the referendum. in aviation for instance, there are things that are already put in place for a no deal scenario. i really wish you guys would put country before party because for me, it seems like it is the other way around which is a disgrace, it really is. applause if there is no deal scenario, which is your preference harry, that would meana hard is your preference harry, that would mean a hard border on northern ireland? does it have to be a hard border? it doesn't have to be, with technology around. what technology? already the irish prime minister has said there will be no hard border,

so we are said there will be no hard border, so we are hearing it from the man himself. chris morris is our reality check correspondent. if there is what some people call a disorderly exit with no deal on march the 29th, does it immediately mean a hard border between northern ireland and the republic? it does beg the question who will bring it in. the problem is if that became the external border of the single market, there are eu laws that have to be followed. 0ne market, there are eu laws that have to be followed. one of those laws, you have to do checks on 100% of the documents of all food and animal products that come into the single market. somewhere, that will have to be done. this is a tricky situation for the republic of ireland as well. they clearly don't want a hard border to be imposed, but legally yes, the eu law would say to them, you need to make sure those checks are carried out somewhere. the problem for ireland, if they were not carried out there you might get countries like france who start checking things coming from the island of ireland into the rest of

the eu. it was one of the policies followed by david davies when he was the brexit secretary. he said, let's play a game of chicken over this. his policy didn't prevail, but legally there would have to be a ha rd legally there would have to be a hard border of some kind. in terms of the backstop, which may or may not be used, if there is no trade deal sorted out by the end of 2020 and if the deal is not agreed, then the backstop comes in, which critics say could keep the uk in a customs union for ever and that is what people really worry about, and thatis what people really worry about, and that is in order to keep the border in visible — who worries about that stop situation going on for ever? hello... hello, i am 19 andl stop situation going on for ever? hello... hello, i am 19 and i am a couege hello... hello, i am 19 and i am a college student. what worries me about the backstop agreement is that we are paying £39 billion for this deal and if we go with the backstop, we have to go with the common

rulebook and we also have to keep... it restricts us with regard to free agreements with the rest of the world. i have been learning about a customs union in business and it means that you have to trade altogether and any trade agreements you have to do as a block. if we are doing that, we are going to turn down the opportunity of 90% economic growth with the european union, we are also going to turn away all of the top emerging economies like the african countries in south—east asia. do you agree with that? i've lived through seven decades and i just want to reply to the people who are talking about the 39 million, or whatever it is... billion. we have to pay that in compensation. because we are cancelling... we are letting europe down. i am going to introduce

you to a ukip mep, margot parker, why do we have to pay 39 billion? for what? because we are in joint concepts, the eurofighter. .. the galileo project, and we put technology into that project and theyjust technology into that project and they just locked technology into that project and theyjust locked us out of it so it works both ways. people are losing jobs because of brexit. works both ways. people are losing jobs because of brexitlj works both ways. people are losing jobs because of brexit. i don't except that. of course they are. you have got high youth unemployment in greece, in spain. of course there is. and the top guys are leaving to find jobs elsewhere. they should be in their country, they're the brains, they are the energy for the future, that is so important. i'm afraid the eu has really played a very bad role in that aspect and they have brought countries like greece into the euro, lots of problems. so you think... you think

that you can belong to a club and then leave it without fulfilling your responsibilities? there are certain responsibilities but £39 billion worth, i don't think so. forensically, we need to see line by line what it is for and i haven't seen any evidence of that at all. does anybody worry or not about ending up in a backstop situation, being ina ending up in a backstop situation, being in a customs union and potentially not getting out of it?|j am not really worried about the backstop, because the eu see the backstop, because the eu see the backstop as bad for them as well because it means that we get the good bits like being able to have free trade with the eu we don't get free trade with the eu we don't get free movement of people. sol free trade with the eu we don't get free movement of people. so i think the eu see the backstop as a bad deal for them and we see it as a bad deal for them and we see it as a bad deal for them and we see it as a bad deal for us sol deal for them and we see it as a bad deal for us so i don't worry about that. you don't think it will happen? no. what about trying to get

out of it if it does happen because we can't do that independently...? that is a worry but i do not think it will get that far because the next two years i think we will be able to negotiate a free—trade deal. who else has that kind of confidence? i am from spain. so you are saying that for example in spain, i are saying that for example in spain, lam are saying that for example in spain, i am supposed to be in spain, not here? i didn't say that. people, for example, who are coming from abroad, we are supposed to be in our country is... no. not at all. i live here, i country is... no. not at all. i live here, lam a country is... no. not at all. i live here, i am a manager in a home—care —based provider in london. fantastic. my people they are from abroad so if most of the people are leaving the country because of brexit a lot of people are going to be in trouble. let's be honest, everybody, there is a moment they are going to be old and they need to be cared for and taking care of. a lot of people are coming from spain and from france here because they

have opportunities. and now with a brexit i have the impression they are telling, no, you don't have the opportunity, you need to leave because we don't want you here. that is the impression i am getting and a lot of people from abroad we have this impression... no. this one says all e—mail... iwant this impression... no. this one says all e—mail... i want the mps to vote no deal on the brexit the, i also wa nt no deal on the brexit the, i also want them to vote yes to a vote going back to the public. this one says, i going back to the public. this one says, lam going back to the public. this one says, i am a businessman from belfast and i want my mp to vote against this deal, it treats northern ireland differently to the re st of northern ireland differently to the rest of the uk. if we've get stuck in the backstop, which looks likely, if they are so sure that we will not need it, then why not have it in the first place...? need it, then why not have it in the first place. . . ? this need it, then why not have it in the first place...? this one... despite my constituency monmouth voting remain, my mp david davis is a long—standing brexiteer who is backing theresa may's deal, he will never again have my vote, says this one. . . never again have my vote, says this one... this one says, i want my mp

to be at the forefront of stopping brexit given that gateshead will be screwed by any type of it. gateshead was a big leave vote. this one says... what i want my mp to do, she will always tow the conservative party line, so what i want doesn't matter. so we've heard about how the uk plans to leave the eu in march. next let's have a look at what britain's future relationship with the eu might look like. this is the second part of the deal that mrs may has been negotiating, have a look at this. so if you thought the brexit talks were coming to an end, then wow, were you wrong?! first we had the 585 page divorce deal, then we had the future relationship, a much shorter 26 page document, now agreed with the eu. this is important as it starts to spell out how our relationship with the rest of europe could look in the future. critics say there are few solid details yet, but this is what we know so far. first of all, there is a specific reference to the end of free

movement of people into the uk. that leaves the door open to a new type of immigration system. theresa may wants to give priority to high skilled workers, while low skilled immigration will be curbed. that vote is all still to be agreed. then there is trade, the prime minister wanted frictionless trade in goods across—the—board. frictionless trade in goods across the border. the eu is less keen and the final document only talks about a trade relationship that will be as close as possible. 0nfishing, again, nothing is decided. theresa may said we will become an independent coastal state and control access to our waters. some european countries, though, have suggested that if we want to sell our fish in the eu, then foreign boats fish here. we will have two let some foreign boats fish here. in the document, there is also a clear role

for the european court ofjustice. its direct role in the uk will come to an end, but if there is an argument about eu regulations in the future, it would be a court in luxembourg which till has the final say. with us today in birmingham, in this huge cash—and—carry, we have an audience of about 60 people, evenly split between leave and remain, although now, two years on, those kind of labels don't mean as much as they used to. let me tell you about they used to. let me tell you about the politicians we have here today. we have chris skidmore from the conservative party. we have the snp's foreign affairs spokesman stephen gethins and we have labour's shadow business minister bill esterson and we have a ukip mep margot parker, who if the uk leaves the eu on the 29th march, you will be out of a job, is that correct? the eu on the 29th march, you will be out of a job, is that correct7m is correct. are you happy about that? i am a happy about it because

it is what i voted for. chris skidmore, do you accept this political declaration on the future relationship is a wish list and actually doesn't guarantee anything about a post—brexit world? actually doesn't guarantee anything about a post-brexit world? not at all. what does it guarantee, then? well, it guarantees a position of corporation, consistent co—operation and to create a deep and special partnership with our eu neighbours. specifically, what does it guarantee? it guarantees that we have a trade relationship the future. it doesn't guarantee that chernobyl well, it means that we will be to go to the next stage of talks to be able to be ready to sign with the eu... if you are being honest, it does not guarantee that. underpinned by the withdrawal agreement there are legal duties for that to take face, there are arbitration methods which can be triggered in order to allow this process to happen within the next two years. it doesn't guarantee a free—trade deal, please be honest. it doesn't guarantee it but it gives a legal framework by which we can

ensure that we enter the talks and we can get it in place and it ensures that we can and freedom of movement. let's be clear, it guarantees we can continue talking, that's it? well, it is important we have got that in place because few people thought we would get a deal in the first place. it doesn't take much to guarantee a bit more of a chat, does it? it is important... who is going? who was brewing? why? both of you, stand up, gentlemen. eu is utterly corrupt. why were you going? because we are dissembling, nothing actually gets nailed down. we negotiate from a sloppy, loose situation all the time, we should be negotiating from our strengths, even if we then so, fine, we won't... but we are not negotiating from our strengths. were you doing as well? well, i wasn't actually brewing!

because i was asked to stand, you know... ! because i was asked to stand, you know...! i'm so because i was asked to stand, you know...! i'm so sorry! i don't know if it is relevant to the question but let me just say this whilst i get the opportunity. who are you?” ama get the opportunity. who are you?” am a formerchairof get the opportunity. who are you?” am a former chair of the birmingham racial... and i would describe myself as a human rights activist. i am concerned about the entire brexit situation, because i don't think it is in the interests of black people. and i think it is a right wing driven racist agenda, not that everybody is racist, because the focus has been solely, mainly, on immigration, in its most negative form, hostile environment and all that. that is my concern, it is not... and because of that.” understand. i am going to introduce you to, who is the labour person who voted leave? harry, i introduce you?

hi. this is about controlling immigration but getting the correct kind of immigration. all of this about racism and the rest of it, it cheapens the debate. we are going to get quality people, you cannot tell me everything... do we know who is coming into the country at the moment, what criminal conviction... ? we don't, anyone can... it is the government's fault, it not the ordinary people who have been discriminated against.” ordinary people who have been discriminated against. i am going to bring in some more people. hi, i am a senior bank manager and i am from bexley, greater london. i am actually a labour supporter and i voted for leave. but after all the uncertainty of the past two years

and particularly listening to what you just said, i am now actually in favour of voting down this proposal and also going for a second referendum. and my reason for that is this, that with already had two yea rs of is this, that with already had two years of uncertainty. if we are going to keep negotiating for another two years, 21 months, whatever it is, it's going to be more uncertainty and there will be more uncertainty and there will be more problems with the economy and are already talking about, you know, the bank of england chairman said that the economy is going to shrink, all the analysis is that the economy will shrink, somebody predicted 3.6%, the other one said it could be nine point something. 0verall it's going to be a disaster, i think it is about time we should make our mind and go for the second referendum and then just decide. what else do people think about this

future relationship declaration, what does it mean to you? is there any guarantees in there for you, what are you hoping for from it?” ama what are you hoping for from it?” am a training consultant. firstly i would like to say welcome back labour because you have sat back for about 18 months, waiting for this to faila about 18 months, waiting for this to fail a little bit, to be honest. i think you are now pushing for a general election, so my first question would be, what would labour guarantee to specifically do differently if you were in power? shall we get him to answer that? we can do that. go for it, bill esterson. well, we have been saying the same things for the last two years, unfortunately sometimes the media does not report them but victoria is reporting it today, so fair play. a comprehensive new customs union which allows us to negotiate alongside the european union... does that mean you can do free—trade deals with other countries? by negotiating alongside the european union we will have the

ability to negotiate with them for a better deal, that is the whole point of doing it. what can you guarantee would be different? we have heard here already, we have got guarantees that we sort of can guarantee but maybe we can't guarantee and itjust seems like a whole pack of lies from everybody across this table, actually, and this is why people are saying, i voted to remain, however i am suggesting that what we need is...i am suggesting that what we need is... i won't call it a second referendum, i will call it a clarity vote, because we need to know exactly what we're voting for. i don't think actually anyone can give us guarantees treated you are absolutely right, those of you who have said there is no guarantee or clarity in the deal, that's the problem. it is a real problem for the economy, that's why the bank of england and independent forecasters have said the economy will be a lot worse off. it could cost millions of jobs potentially if this deal goes through train and i noticed the government in its own model... how manyjobs will it cost if it doesn't

go through? i can't give you a figure on that, all i can give you is what the bank of england said which is of the decline of more than 396 in which is of the decline of more than 3% in the economy. the treasury's own forecast, they did not do modelling on the deal.” own forecast, they did not do modelling on the deal. i am not asking about that, the question was to you and the labour party about what would be different under your leadership. i got interrupted, it tends to happen! what would be different? the customs union would guarantee trade, looks after workers' rights, it makes sure you can't have that high border in northern ireland. we also need a single market deal which looks after goods and services. that is what we have now as a member of the eu. sorry, i want to be clear on this... you have said a customs union and being in the single market. so, just like the uk has now in the eu, you are saying they would give us that having left but all come on! no, it

isa having left but all come on! no, it is a country hence if new customs union, it has to be because we are outside the european union. we know asa outside the european union. we know as a result of conversations which have gone on privately for many months, we would need a new deal with the single market to address the concerns about freedom of movement, that is true. but we've got to end the other true numbers that control our immigration system and replace them with what is needed by employers. if we can do that we can get it right, we still on the referendum. we are in opposition, we would have to take over the negotiations after a general election if we were given one. given thatis election if we were given one. given that is unlikely... so, no guarantees, you would just go into additional negotiations... well, we would have to but we are trying to short—circuit and have guarantees a lot earlier rather than this backstop which could last for ever. let's think about why we are in this situation. we are all disagreeing,

wondering what is going to happen a few weeks away from leaving the eu because we are in a situation whereby there is grossly responsibility from people like borisjohnson and responsibility from people like boris johnson and michael gove, responsibility from people like borisjohnson and michael gove, who we nt borisjohnson and michael gove, who went into a referendum without having the courage to tell us what leaving the eu meant, which means that we are in a place where we have to sit here, discuss, debate, jobs are being lost, people who are eu nationals who work in our nhs, who contribute so much to our economy, are being left at a human level in an outrageous state of affairs. and i have worked overseas but i also benefit every single day... nour party says it is going to vote against this. of course we will. because firstly you could get... what about the jobs... ? because firstly you could get... what about the jobs. . . ? secondly, you could state... there is no guarantee you could get another referendum and insured if parliament votes for it you can. there is not a majority in parliament for a second

referendum dunn there is a majority for nothing in parliament at the moment! exactly! so that requires those of us to reach across party lines, and we have offered a compromise saying, stay in the singles market and the customs union, we are part of that already... and continue with free movement of people? absolutely, i benefited, everybody in here benefits and it is absolutely outrageous the way it has been painted at the moment. i've had people in my surgeries who work in the nhs and elsewhere for having the same kind of problems as the lady explained earlier on. aaron, good morning. i would like to say first before i come to fishing... sorry i'm just going tojese bob geldof is not here to defend himself, he might say he wasn't abusing you, he was just having an argument. to nail a lie which is propagated here that people on the leave side did not know what was voted for. it was very

simple what was voted for, it was parliamentary sovereignty, and deciding our own future. nobody wa nted deciding our own future. nobody wanted the minutiae of of exactly what our future relationship would be, it was the ability to make our own decisions and our own laws and decide our own destiny. and does this deal give you that? and no. it is absolutely atrocious for the fishing industry and it is an existential threat. under the transition, we officially do leave the european union, almond bishop terminates and we become an independent coastal state. the withdrawal agreement is treasonous in the extreme because what it then does is it signs us up to be effectively eu members miners with no voting rights, nobility to defend herself and no recourse in the face of poor eu legislation. what that means for the fishing industry is that the 21 months, and let's be honest it will go on for the full extension of the transition, the eu

can extension of the transition, the eu ca n e nfo rce extension of the transition, the eu can enforce any laws it wants to cull our fishing industry, can enforce any laws it wants to cull ourfishing industry, it takes us into associate membership. people will say it is just a declaration, but it was written for a reason and it is an absolute existential threat we face in fishing. is that accurate in terms of the fishing, chris harrison there is always a trade—off and within the fishing industry there are people who catch fish and there are people who catch fish and the people who sell the fish and it isa the people who sell the fish and it is a fact that we sell about £1 billion worth of fish produce to the eu every year. and eu not surprisingly in what is going to become a trade negotiation is saying, if you want to continue selling your fish in our market without tariffs, then we want to continue fishing in your waters. and so there is going to be a trade—off. if we do not want them to fish in our waters at all, i'm not sure that's what the fishing industry is advocating, then the people who sell fish in the eu, shellfish, for example, all of it almost is sold in

the eu, that part of the industry will suffer. people do not want to get into them in uci but when you are trying to reorganise your entire trading relationship with your nearest neighbours, the mini cia actually matter. and to confirm, you have no idea how much access eu fishermen will get to uk waters? the political declaration states that we will begin this process injuly 2020 as an independent coastal state... so you have no idea how much access they may be given to uk waters? well, it is that trade—off and it is compromises and there is the point that some eu countries like fish which british people don't like so we need to make sure that we can trade with them because otherwise it would be a waste of the quotas. very briefly... before the ink was dry on the declaration, on the very same day, president macron of france threatened the united kingdom and our sovereignty over our waters. that doesn't bode very well for the

future. 0k, there's lots of debate to comejust i future. 0k, there's lots of debate to come just i know your arm is getting tired, sir, i can see that, i'm sorry chilli we have talked a bit about what no deal might look like. but have a look at this, laying out what it might be like. so what happens if theresa may's deal gets voted down in parliament next week? well, as things stand, we are leaving the european union on march 29th. that date can only be extended if every of the country agrees. if every other country agrees. it raises the prospects of a no—deal brexit. it raises the prospect of a no—deal brexit. is that really the nightmare that some people think? well, our relationship with the eu has been built over 40 years through treaties, rules and regulations. under no deal, all that would be stripped away and we'd have to rely more on international law. the eu says there would be no transition period, so border checks could be reimposed

and transport links could be affected. there are concerns over food. the government says trucks will continue rolling into the uk, but could ourfood exports be blocked going in the other direction? 0n medicine, we import and export millions of packs of drugs each month. the government has asked firms to stockpile a six—week supply, just in case. the world of finance is worried about losing access to european markets. manufacturers, now used to bringing in parts quickly, might have to adjust quickly, holding more on site and investing in new storage facilities. the bigger question is how this could affect the economy over time. an analysis by the government last week found a hard brexit could leave it more than 9% smaller than it would have been by 2034, compared with staying in the eu. most economists think the analysis is fair, though some critics have described the figures as flawed. for some brexiteers,

a harder or clean brexit, as it's called, is nothing to be frightened of. they say it could mean we don't have to pay a huge divorce bill, although that's an argument that would probably end up in court. it would mean we can stop trying to align our rules with eu rules straightaway and it might make it easier to strike trade deals with other countries outside of europe, like china or brazil. 0k, ok, so, remainers and leavers, iam going to ask you to... hey, we're on! put your hands up if you want mrs may's deal voted down! in order to get a no deal scenario — so, you actively want no deal or a clean break or a hard brexit as some

people call it? ok. why? genuinely because i believe it can be managed but i think the problem is that... managed by the 29th march?m but i think the problem is that... managed by the 29th march? it would probably have to be extended just by a few months. would everyone be ok with extending...? no. parliament, generally, everybody keeps saying that no deal is not an option. 0ne of the things about the is that none of the things about the is that none of them say that no deal is off the table. the eu accepts article 50 as it says, at the end of two years, no agreement, you're out of the eu. why do you want no deal? you get more freedom. who agrees with that, you get more freedom with no deal?” freedom. who agrees with that, you get more freedom with no deal? i am a conservative locally, i am from new zealand originally and we are a

self—governing trading nation and free trade is what this country is based on. that is what brexit is — leave the customs union, leave the single market, leave the european court ofjustice, of this deal delivers none of this! so you want a no deal. what about you, sir? what would a no deal mean for gibraltar? no deal is technically the worst deal. we have been very clear that we support the current withdrawal agreement, because contrary to what mr sanchez said agreement, because contrary to what mrsanchez said in agreement, because contrary to what mr sanchez said in the spanish press, concessions 0ns jabeur to sovereignty, that for us is very important. for us the question would have to be that if that deal is voted down, could the mps support that no concessions would be made if it is renegotiated and could they commit to the phrase for the rock, we are british, british we stay?” runa we are british, british we stay?” run a home care provider in london. i think run a home care provider in london. ithinka run a home care provider in london. i think a no deal would be

atrocious. 80% of my workforce from the eu and if there was no deal, what would happen at the end of march to my staff? i don't know, it could rupture homeca re march to my staff? i don't know, it could rupture homecare for us and for the country and also healthcare. what i would want to say, working in elderly care, one of myjobs is often to help elderly people make wise decisions, it is called a duty of care. if i am looking at the three options presented by the three politicians, one of them looks like you get the benefits of the eu but not the decision—making power. the conservative it sounds like you are justjumping conservative it sounds like you are just jumping off a conservative it sounds like you are justjumping off a cliff blindfolded. and the middle guy said the truth, which is the best relationship we have is the current one. and so... applause and so what i want to see from politicians, i want no more obfuscation, i want you to tell the british people, it is true, every brexit option is negative. you have the responsibility to tell the

people, you made an unwise decision, this is why you should change your mind let's have a vote. why has theresa may not ruled out no deal? in terms of no deal, the economic consequences. . . in terms of no deal, the economic consequences... that is not why i asked, why has she not ruled out no deal? to remain in the eu effectively montes no.” deal? to remain in the eu effectively montes no. i think the reason why we do not want no deal is that we know economically it would cause those options that you are talking about. and with 116 days to 90, talking about. and with 116 days to go, the supply lines are not going to invent themselves. you've got manufacturing companies who need that protection and security during the next financial year that we can deliver for that. i work with children and young people. you made me, victoria, from a previous programme which was about the windrush generation.” programme which was about the windrush generation. i do. that was

something that i was caught up in, being in the uk since i was five years old and then in 2004 all of a sudden my right to be here was starting to be questioned, my ability to move and to travel became ability to move and to travel became a problem. the lady over there who talked about the impact on her and the nightmares, i've been going through that since 2004. a no deal to me... just two months ago i finally got a document to say i am entitled to be here. i have got my british passport. what no deal means to me means going back to the stage where, for all of you guys who have british passports, if you want to go to france, germany, italy, you buy a ticket, jump on a plane and show your passport. for somebody without one, you have to go to the embassy of that country. i travel to greece, it costs me £300 just to get there, to travel down to london, get the

visa, before i could get on a plane. ano visa, before i could get on a plane. a no deal takes away that ability to move with that british passport that i have just got, since 2004, and i am back where i was before, itjust seems a hollow kind of victory, a no deal would mean for me. good morning, it's just after 11 o clock. in eight days' time mps will either support or reject the pm's brexit deal. those mps are your public servants, so we're asking our audience gathered here in this cash and carry in birmingham, and you, wherever you are in the uk — how do you want your member of parliament to vote? in the next half hour we're going to talk with you about what happens if mrs may loses that vote — and what do you want to happen next if she does lose? before we do that, reeta has a summary of the day's news. members of the public have been telling this programme

what they want their mps to do when theresa may's brexit deal is voted on next week. at an audience debate in birmingham people have given their view on the vote. i think that we need to vote for the deal because we have had two years of uncertainty. it has affected businesses. is it true you have had nightmares about being deported? yes. it is going ahead, it has been decided. you think you can belong to a club and their belief without fulfilling your responsibilities. 40 million is a number is a amount you cannot comprehend. asa comprehend. as a member of the minority community i do not seek my voice or might face being represented.” think it is a right—wing driven

racist agenda. the government's chief legal adviser, the attorney general, will publish a shortened version of his guidance on theresa may's brexit withdrawal agreement today, but mps of all parties are demanding to see the document in full. they are concerned by reports that geoffrey cox's advice contains a suggestion that the uk could end up in an indefinite customs union with the eu. the government says it must be free to receive full and frank legal advice in confidence. figures compiled by the bbc indicate that about 40,000 retail jobs have either been lost or put at risk this year. 20,000 people have lost theirjobs, while a similar number are approaching christmas under the threat of redundancy. a change in shopping habits and rising business costs have been blamed for the difficulties facing retailers. a global conference on tackling climate change — the most critical meeting since the 2015 paris agreement — has opened in poland amid warnings that global warming poses a greater threat to humanity than ever before. some 40 heads of state

and government are due to address the two—week gathering in poland and sir david attenborough is making a speech to delegates. sir david is be representing the un's "people's seat", an initiative which gave citizens around the world the opportunity to send their messages to leaders via social media. the amount of money councils have spent on care for people aged 65 and over in england, scotland and wales has fallen in the past eight years, according to figures analysed by the bbc. in england it has plummeted by almost a quarter, but scotland and wales have largely protected their budgets. the government says the figures don't take into account money the nhs puts into the system. that it, now back to victoria in birmingham. good morning, this morning we're live from birmingham. one of the most important votes ever to take place in the house of commons happens a week tomorrow.

it will have a massive impact on the future of our country, and your lives. mps will vote either to back the brexit deal the pm has negotiated with brussels — or they'll reject it. but what might happen if she loses that vote? have a look at this. what brexit will look like in years to come we still don't know. next week, though, will be key. theresa may's deal will be voted on in parliament by mps. here is what could happen next. first up, the prime minister might get the votes. it looks like a very hard task, but if it happens, we almost certainly leave the eu in march and move straight into a two—year transition period. if she loses the vote, then it gets a lot more complicated. mrs may could have another go at winning over mps, but that has to be within three weeks. to do it, she could try and we negotiate her deal and get fresh concessions.

officials in brussels, though, have ruled that out. if there is no agreement by march 29th, then we could, in theory, leave with no deal. that would mean all eu rules no longer apply and we start to trade using wider international law. it is possible to extend those talks, but that would need the agreement of every single european state. if she loses the vote in parliament, some think the prime minister might have to resign, though that is far from certain. that would mean tory mps get to pick a new party leader and a new leader of this country. with no agreement, labour says its preferred option would be a general election. again, though, it is not easy to see how that could happen as we now have fixed—term parliaments in this country. then there is that last possibility, another referendum, perhaps with a range of different options to choose from. it is something the snp and the liberal democrats support.

but any second vote would need new legislation and take time, and all that might take us past the march 29 deadline. i want to ask you yes or no. if theresa may loses there is a vote do you think she has two design? —— has two design. what do you say, sir? my opinion is if the vote —— if it is voted down i should say she should resign on the basis she has done as much as she can with what she has had to work with but clearly her party does not support her or her deal and so i feel she should step aside and give it to somebody else. you would want

a leadership contest in the conservative party? the general election? they can do that, my focus is on international mandate and also domestic, internationally i would say to the commonwealth if we do or do not have brexit, they have an equitable partnership with britain and not be like it was with windrush where we come into the country and do not have a real state. the mystically, i would say politicians have demonstrated they do not know what they're going to do —— domestically. i am what they're going to do —— domestically. lam more in favour of the devolving powers so it becomes more of a partnership between businesses and local governing bodies and we lead our country to a better future. introduced yourself and do you think theresa may has two resign?

personally, i do not think it matters whether or not theresa may resigns because they does not time to renegotiate a new deal at my main question has anybody signed a contract and looked at the terms two yea rs contract and looked at the terms two years later? how odd it turn out. that is what we've been asked to do with brexit and there is no surprise people are not happy with the deal we have got. she has been asking people what they want from brexit and they seek more control for the country and this deal means we have less control. if people are not getting what they voted for, this is not the will of the people and the only democratic way forward is to look at that deal and decide on it. have a referendum on the deal. the archbishop of york has said today if there is a referendum that could

lead to civil unrest. there is some agreeing and some disagreeing. how did you respond to that? he said it would undermine people was much faith in the democratic institutions. i think it is a pretty historic moment when a strong remain supporter like meat is quoting jacob rees—mogg. supporter like meat is quoting jacob rees-mogg. , ashby specifically about —— can i ask you specifically about —— can i ask you specifically about the civil unrest quote. before the referendum jacob rees—mogg said there should be two and referendums, one to decide whether we leave and one to accept or reject the deal. if people start to losejobs, or reject the deal. if people start to lose jobs, especially in areas ignored by the politicians for decades and who voted for brexit, if they start losing theirjobs as a result of brexit, that will produce civil unrest.

iruna civil unrest. i run a group called levers of britain. we want a clean brexit. not that hard brexit, it is called a clean brexit. that means no deal. we would like to canada plus plus deal but that was kicked off the table. if this is the only option i think a well— planned no deal if this is the only option i think a well—planned no deal is the only way. topic of social division, a second referendum would mean further so full —— social division and i do not want my country to continuously divide, i want them to come back together and how what they voted for which was an independent country. do you agree? i am a student at the university of birmingham. i agree with the comments made that it would lead to civil unrest without a proper brexit and the real thing to do now... he said there would be civil unrest if there was another

referendum. another referendum is likely to lead to a watering down of the referendum result, the biggest democratic exercise ever in this country. our politicians have to accept this deal does not deliver on the referendum result and we need to get to the 29th of march and leave with no deal which would ensure we ta ke with no deal which would ensure we take back control of our borders, our laws, not sending vast sums of money to the eu and not paying £39 billion to be stuck in a backstop foran billion to be stuck in a backstop for an unlimited amount of time which we cannot even end ourselves and have to rely on the eu to end for us. it would sell out the britain and our democracy and the result given to the —— the instruction given to the politicians and you have not achieve much, something you say is a good deal for britain but does not follow through on instruction given to you by the british people and i implore you to do the right thing and vote down the

deal in the house of commons and allow a no deal brexit. applause. you raised your eyes, karen, you roll your eyes. what do you say? i am a designer and manufacturer in birmingham and, for me, the issues, i source material in the uk and my product manufactured in poland. there are several issues for me. if there was a no deal scenario, what impact would it have on you? still uncertainty. i've gone through the whole process not being certain as to what would happen, do i still manufacture in portland or go elsewhere, there might uk suppliers lose out. —— manufacture in poland. there is no clios —— no clear solution. we are still sat

thinking what do we do? what should she do? on the board of the result, 17.4 million people voted to leave, the largest number ever, we said this is your moment is the people to decide. we know all about. we know what the context is. it was 52—48 and we need a deal that reflects that and enables the country to come together and i think this deal provides certainty and security, allows us... you said nothing is concrete. it means we have invited by which we can continue business. we cannot turn away from the world and say to our european partners we have 40 years... i don't want to, if i want to relaunch my product i need to know where i am manufacturing it. it wouldn't be cleared up in that

time because there are too many elements to be cleared up. time because there are too many elements to be cleared upm provides maximum possible certainty. let me bring in another business person. jason, you've got 400 employees, three huge cash and carries. £200 million turnover each year. if theresa may loses what does that mean for your business? increased uncertainty means what do we do with our supply chains? there is over half of the country's exports going to the eu a problem at the same vice versa. the uncertainty, even if it brings delays in the system, it will cost millions if not billions of pounds of damage to the economy. talking about skills, i note the immigration policies were questioned in the referendum, since the decision on the referendum we have found it very difficult to find employees. i am

also a director at thejubilee hospital in birmingham and the nhs is massively reliance on immigration —— oe is massively reliance on immigration -- qe hospital in birmingham. will theresa may have to resign if she loses? i would back to carry on because we have enough unrest as it is. politicians are doing this a massive injustice and they need to get together and get job massive injustice and they need to get together and getjob done. thank you for your patience. i'm from the english cream tea company. 0n from the english cream tea company. on several points i do not think it would make a difference if we changed theresa may, it is like she is the person stuck in the room in a dreadful game of crystal maze. everybody a shopping different instructions, some malicious and some not but not very many are helpful. whoever is in the room needs as much cross—party support as

possible. i agree with the archbishop, another referendum threatens our democracy and is dangerous. thirdly, i feel there threatens our democracy and is dangerous. thirdly, ifeel there is no going back to state before two yea rs no going back to state before two years ago. it is a bit like the pull people going back to paradise in california, it will never be the same. i would like each week ‘s current deal, this current period of time before, if it could be altered and improved —— out with like a change is deal. lama is deal. i am a student at the university of birmingham andl i am a student at the university of birmingham and i labour campaigner and prouder working—class northerner. basically, the labour position is to push for an election and if not the people's vote however i would push for a people's vote. and notjust a people's i would push for a people's vote. and not just a people's vote i would push for a people's vote. and notjust a people's vote but one that includes 16 and 17—year—olds. i

was three months to young to vote in the referendum. that has impacted my life massively. i'm studying politics at university speaking about stuff i could not vote on an uncertain about my future. i think an extension of article 15 will be necessary for another referendum the parliament is so divided. theresa may says there will not be another referendum if she is prime minister, what do you say to her?” don't care because any conservative to me asa don't care because any conservative to me as a bad conservative. in general election is obviously eventually what i want and i want a labour government but i don't think labour government but i don't think labour can negotiate anything better than what we have already got. i think we should take it back to the people because the people in the first instance did not know what they were voting for. the majority of my family voted leave and in my opinion, i have seen that shifts in

my town. leave supporters are moving to remain? it isa remain? it is a generational divide for me. can we nail this, it is a small sample, which leave voters here did not know what they were voting for? 0ne not know what they were voting for? one person. most other leave supporters... which leave supporters knew what they were voting for? i represent a group of people who area i represent a group of people who are a group of ex—leave supporters have seen the lights. applause. i want to say i understand the reasons many of us might voted to leave, i sympathise with those reasons and the reason i did not understand what i was with the voting for is because of what has been said already which means the campaigners for leave, many did not speu campaigners for leave, many did not spell out exactly what it would entail and were not clear. now we

are here, what is your best case scenario? we have to votes down the deal. i looked at the withdrawal agreement and the political agreement and they are very vague. business people have already said it is not clear what is going to happen. votes down the deal in order to get what? in order to force the prime minister to try and be negotiate. if she cannot the house to be a vote on the deal because with the good friday agreement is everybody at that referendum was given a copy on what they were voting on. i don't like the idea they were proper referendums and not proper referendums. everybody needs to have a say. i want to ask about what effect a no deal scenario would have on the car industry? i work as a vice president of sales for a large german supplier to the car industry, les is one of

my customers. we rarely speak is openly together, as an industry, one company have said it will cost them 1 billion, it will losejobs company have said it will cost them 1 billion, it will lose jobs and the, the entire car industry, stephen armstrong of four said the deal is ok because it is better than no deal cos that would be disastrous for the industry. the political declaration does not mention any of the 26 pages the word frictionless and for the industry that's imperative. you work for ford. the one thing people have not realised is the whole time we have been negotiating this deal businesses have been suffering because the money they have had to put into the business to keep going because of the issues with trade at the moment, it's going to be a major impact. literally, if we have a no

deal brexit, the money going on means they might not have a new model launch, which not only affects the uk but the rest of europe as well because his multinational companies build things everywhere. things go backwards and forwards across the border many times. frictionless trade is vital. russell isa frictionless trade is vital. russell is a businessman. do you agree with layers of that was ano do you agree with layers of that was a no deal scenario it would be very bad for your business?” a no deal scenario it would be very bad for your business? i do not at all. the nation voted quite clearly to leave the eu, we are already members of the wto and as a business we can work with the present proposals that theresa may, it is not brexit and if we are going to do the job properly we should quit and join the wto, we are already members so we should quit and therefore be

able to be in charge of our own destiny and that's the reliance on brussels. does theresa may have to design if she loses? i think she has been battling in the national interest tirelessly, she has been argentina, scotland, northern ireland selling this deal and work very hard to put her reputation on the line for this deal. it would create a vacuum at the moment when we have got those 160 days, we need to come together. she could lose by 200 votes. would you expect the nation to continue to back a loser? the deal is a compromise, we've gone through a divorce... people who want to the main are not going to be happy and those who support no deal will not be happy. if when the deal... hang on!

somebody should try and heal divisions in our country. gentleman, excuse me... excuse me, can you reassure our audience the government does have a plan for if or when it is voted down? if it is voted down on the 11th week will respond within 21 days that needs to go back to the eu. is there a plan ready to go? i have not been involved with cabinet negotiations but there is the rest of the deal being voted down, parliament next back control parliament votes were something. 0ne of the reasons i backed the deal is because we do not know the consequences of what parliament might vote for. you never negotiated. we are any parliamentary democracy and two years ago the snp set out the plan,

agree with it or not, labour have done the same, so far you have only negotiated with the dup. with all respect to dup they are not even a majority in northern ireland, never mind the uk as a whole. you turn up to years later and expect us to sign on the dotted line. it is a bad job that leaves my constituents out of work and i am not voting for it. three minutes before the end of the programme. it is clear there are lots of divisions. i will ask you if you think it is necessary somehow our country comes back together and if you think that should happen, how. we have three minutes. i will ask you to be brief. i am at the university of birmingham, i've missed the vote by one month which is very frustrating. it's very important, brexit was sold, in my opinion, i think it was sold as a

lot of lies. what do you do now? two, we need to go back to square one and see what drove brexit. looking at the rationalisation of the white working class, immigration, are these legitimate reasons to leave the eu? we need to go back to square one and ask why the people vote to leave. what do you say? i would advocate a national unity government because our politicians cannot solve this, we need trades, we need to protect jobs, so we need to rise above. we need a government that seems strong in the eyes for our nation. i bring people back together? the deal seems a week at the moment, they are not willing to try anything, they have their tails between their legs. if the government seem stronger and more people would support them. how would you bring the country back

together? i am not a campaigner or politician, i am just here as a voice of reason. how we bring the country back together is clear, the important vote is not the deal, it will be the vote of no confidence, not an theresa may, if she goes we will only end up with jacob rees—mogg, we need a vote of no—confidence in this government, they need to go, we need a labour government, prime ministerjeremy corbyn to bring the back together. i haven't started yet! i've waited an hour and haven't started yet! i've waited an hourand a haven't started yet! i've waited an hour and a half! haven't started yet! i've waited an hourand a half! can i haven't started yet! i've waited an hour and a half! can i say to the snp person, i hope president nicola sturgeon gets you another referendum andi sturgeon gets you another referendum and i hope this time the scottish people grasp it. because these english tories are doing nothing but holding you back. how did you bring the country back together, ten seconds. this is not party political, this is

the most important part of our country's future. we get together, forget the politics, forget referendums, do a deal and take it back to brussels. thank you, everybody. give yourselves a round of applause. thank you so much for having us in birmingham. i'll be back tomorrow at 10am. have a good day. it has been a chilly but bright start today across northern parts of the country. elsewhere there has been heavy rain drifting through wales, parts of northern england, midlands and now eastern england. some showers to the south. for this afternoon the rain it should clear away towards the east and brighter skies across western areas of england, wales, northern ireland, scotla nd england, wales, northern ireland, scotland and northern ireland

continuing with sunny spells. difference in temperatures of northern areas around six celsius and up to 14 celsius in the south. the rain cruiserweight through the nights, most of us, clear skies, turning cold. particularly towards northern and eastern areas temperatures down to minus one celsius, just above freezing in the south. watch out for base across parts of scotland tomorrow. generally speaking, bright start to cloud increasing from the south west and rain pushing into the south—west later on in the day. you're watching bbc newsroom live — these are today's main stories. sir david attenborough calls on world leaders

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