tv Beyond 100 Days BBC News December 4, 2018 7:00pm-8:01pm GMT
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on that site. two former brexit secretaries, the former foreign secretary and two former higher education ministers. i wanted at the prime minister who the new higher education minister is. she didn't ta ke education minister is. she didn't take my intervention. perhaps batting for that sector is incompatible with her brexit. come a very gently say to the house that intervention should be brief, not mini speeches. the leader of the opposition. i thank my friend for the intervention. the labour party discussed the issue at conference, agreed we would oppose the deal and said that if the government cannot govern, it cannot command a majority of the house, then the great tradition is that those governments resign and you have a general election. i thank my right
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honourable friend for giving way. would he agree that this santa claus letter in the deal offers no protection for workers' rights, jobs, the environment, frictionless trade. vote it down! my friend is right because what the deal doesn't do is ensure that if there are changes across the eu, and improvement of workers' rights and conditions, they necessarily merit in this country. when the prime minister talks grandly about workers' rights in this country what comes to my mind isi million people on zero—hours contracts, people trying to make ends meet by doing two or threejobs to trying to make ends meet by doing two or three jobs to feed their children. the prime minister states that the transition period ends in 2020. article 132 says this can be extended for up to two years until 2022. the business secretary is
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clear it is likely to be extended and under this deal we'd have to pay whatever the eu demands to extend it for those two years. under this deal 7 under this deal, for those two years. under this deal 7 underthis deal, in for those two years. under this deal 7 under this deal, in december 2020, we'll be faced with a choice, mr speaker. either pay more and extend the transition period orfall into the transition period orfall into the backstop. at that point, britain would be over a barrel. we'd have left the eu, have no uk rebate, and be forced to pay whatever was demanded. article 185, the backstop, would apply. not only would that
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mean that northern ireland would be subject to significantly different regulations to the rest of the uk, but the eu has a right of veto over the uk's exit from the backstop arrangement. farfrom the uk's exit from the backstop arrangement. far from taking the uk's exit from the backstop arrangement. farfrom taking back control, this is actually handing control, this is actually handing control to somebody else, which is what the prime minister is asking for us to support. whether in a backstop or extended transition the uk would have no say over the rules. we could by that time had given up oui’ we could by that time had given up our seat on the council of ministers, our commissioner and meps, without having negotiated any alternative say in our future. the government isn't taking back control, it is losing control. the one item that is in control of
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all of us is how we vote on tuesday. the leader of the opposition has said he does not want no deal. the eu leaders have made it clear it is this deal or no deal. does he realise it would be his vote that pushes us into no deal because that is what it is asking us to vote for? point of order. i distinctly heard donald tusk saying at the weekend are no brexit, no deal, or brexit. it is not binary. the intervention suffers from a disadvantage, it wasn't even tangential to being a point of order. the intervention and points of order are not even in nodding acquaintance in my view.
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points of order are not even in nodding acquaintance in my viewm is really not credible for the government to come to this house with this deal that does a great deal of damage to economic interests, that reduces our powers to decide relationships in the future, damages trade and then say there is no alternative. the parliament will make it next tuesday andi parliament will make it next tuesday and i expect and hope the house will reject the deal. at that point, the government has lost the confidence of the house. they should reflect on that. either they have got to get a better deal from the that. either they have got to get a better dealfrom the eu or give way to those who will. i wonder the science minister, the memberfor east surrey, resigned, saying that this deal will cost us open quote —— michael will cost us our vote and oui’ michael will cost us our vote and our veto. if he is so emphatic that
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we won't have a no deal exit if we reject the prime minister's deal, what deal does he suggest we are going to put in place between now and march of next year? well, mr speaker, if the house rejects the deal, as i hope it will, then it's up deal, as i hope it will, then it's up to the government to go back and negotiate something like a new comprehensive customs union. it is backed by the tuc and the cbi. it is necessary to defend jobs and have access to a strong single market. we cannot be told that this is the only thing we can do. the process of negotiation is to be accountable. the government will be held to account. i hope the deal is rejected in which case we will force the government to go back and negotiate.
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all right, ok! government to go back and negotiate. all right, 0k! cheering order. iwant all right, 0k! cheering order. i want to hear the intervention. i wanted to agree with my honourable friend. i agree this isa my honourable friend. i agree this is a bad deal. doesn't he agree that out is a bad deal. doesn't he agree that our country would be better off remaining in the european union than exiting on the basis of this deal? the referendum took place, we fought the election respecting the result of the referendum. we are opposed to this deal. we think there's a possibility of getting an agreement which would be betterfor the country and giving us the control which is not given by this government's proposals. the last two
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yea rs gives government's proposals. the last two years gives us government's proposals. the last two years gives us no government's proposals. the last two years gives us no confidence that the government can do a deal in under two years, taking us to the transition. at some point before december, 2020, the focus would inevitably shift from negotiations on the future relationship, to negotiations on an extension of the transition period, including negotiating what further payments we would have to make to the eu. so we are over a barrel. either paying whatever is demanded or demanding away fishing rights or who knows what else? this is a terrible failure of negotiation by this government. should the backstop come into force 7 government. should the backstop come into force ? ithank government. should the backstop come into force ? i thank my honourable friend for giving way. would you agree that the prime minister would not take her little decoration for
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the deal to the people because she's afraid that her brexit would sink? well, we will know the outcome of that on tuesday when the vote takes place. any analysis would show that it is not acceptable and should be defeated in the house. should the backstop come into force, there is no time limit or end point. it locks britain into a dealfrom which it cannot leave. remember, it cannot leave without the agreement of the eu. i wonder if, following his answer to his honourable friend, could he now clarify, he says the labour party stood on a manifesto accepting the result of the referendum, and yet since then we know the member for hayes and harlington has suggested that the labour party's position would be to support a second referendum. would
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he clarify for the cycle for house, is the labour party petition to support a second referendum, or would they accept the result of the first referendum and will not support a second one? i'm sure the memberfor chingford has support a second one? i'm sure the member for chingford has read support a second one? i'm sure the memberfor chingford has read the labour manifesto with great caution and detail. oh, he did! we were quite clear that we respect the result of the referendum and in our conference motion we discuss the issue at great length and the party agreed that the largest labour party conference agreed that the largest labour party co nfe re nce ever agreed that the largest labour party conference ever in our history, unanimously, to back the composite motion we put forward, which opposed the process the government is putting forward. it suggests that if the government cannot govern, then we should make way and have an
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election. should the backstop come into force, there is no time limit or end point. this is the first time ever in the history of this country that we've signed up to a treaty that we couldn't leave out of our own volition. leave out of our own volition. that is quite a serious indictment of this government. and in the backstop, restrictions on state aid are hard—wired backstop, restrictions on state aid are ha rd—wired with backstop, restrictions on state aid are hard—wired with an arbitration mechanism, but no such guarantee exists for workers' rights, new state aid rules could be brought and whether they were in britain's interest or not. —— brought in. the attorney general made that very, very clear yesterday. order. order. we don't need to have bickering
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between members of the same party as to whom the leader of the position is giving way too. i think it is the honourable gentleman who's been invited to intervene. just before he does. order, order. ishouldjust remind colleagues... order. i should remind colleagues... order. i should remind colleagues... order. i should remind colleagues that it is legitimate to use mobile devices without impairing the koran, but it hasjust been without impairing the koran, but it has just been brought without impairing the koran, but it hasjust been brought to my attention there is a very widespread use attention there is a very widespread use of them and i would just gently remind colleagues that they most certainly should not be taking photographs in the chamber —— impairing the koran. i know exactly what i'm doing and what i'm saying, and upon what advice. it requires no comment or contradiction, simply a recognition of the validity of the point. i thank the honourable desmond forgiving way. he talked about respecting, but the question i
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wa nt to about respecting, but the question i want to ask when he respect the mandate that the scottish government has and this cottage government will have a second referendum. how far does he suspect it'll go? is not actually relevant to this debate today, mr speaker. we are talking about the deal the government has brought back, and that is what the debate is about. in the backstop of the regulatory framework dealt with by nonaggressive clauses are non—enforceable by you institutions or by arbitration arrangements. and will give the government the power to tearup will give the government the power to tear up workers' rights —— by eu institutions, damage environmental productions and consumer safeguards. —— environmental protections. productions and consumer safeguards. -- environmental protections. isn't one of the most extra ordinary things about the debate so far that we have not had a single mention of the word immigration, and yet it was meant to be one of the most important aspects of the referendum? the government has not even
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published an immigration bill. if we do not know what our immigration policy will be next year, and don't we really want to stand up for the rights of young, british people to be able to study, work, live elsewhere in the european union because it is praise people who have usedit because it is praise people who have used it more than any other country in europe. i am coming to that in my speech. i just say, in europe. i am coming to that in my speech. ijust say, absolutely. young people need that right to travel, need that right to be able to study, and i think the erasmus game has actually worked very well in giving opportunities for a lot of people to study —— erasmus scheme. i will come onto this again. but i just think we should reflect on the math of work done by european union nationals who have come to make their homes in this country, and helped us develop our health service and many other services. the backstop would apply separate regulatory rules to northern ireland. this is despite the fact that the prime minister said this is something, and i quote, no uk prime
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minister could ever agree to. another of her red lines breached. in fact, the list of the eu measures that continue to apply to northern ireland runs to 75 pages of the agreement. it isa it is a bad deal, and one of the reasons for that if the prime minister has spent much of the two and a half years discussing the deal with her colleagues on the conservative party rather than negotiating with the european union. my negotiating with the european union. my friend is right, this has been a negotiation with the cabinet and a negotiation with the cabinet and a negotiation with the cabinet and a negotiation with conservative mps, and the negotiation within the conservative party. that's where all the concentration is beaten and indeed one of the brexit secretaries hardy went to brussels, the only would he be more interested in arguments with in the conservative party. it's also clear that the prime minister's redline regarding the jurisdiction prime minister's redline regarding thejurisdiction of prime minister's redline regarding the jurisdiction of the european court ofjustice has been torn up.
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under the prime minister's plan of 2022, will either be in a backstop or still in transition. where we will continue to contribute to the european union budget, and follow the rules overseen by the european court ofjustice. indeed, indeed mr speaker, the foreign secretary said on the 25th of november, only that the deal largely ends the jurisdiction of the ecja. the deal largely ends the jurisdiction of the ec ja. it's crystal clear that the prime minister's claim that this plan means we minister's claim that this plan means we take control over our money and borders and laws is utterly far—fetched. on the future partnership mr speaker, let's be clear, there isn't a deal, there is a framework for our future partnership. ourtrading relationship with europe is still to be negotiated and it will take years to do that. we still don't know what our long—term relationship with europe would look like, and that's
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why so many mps across parliament are not willing to vote for this blindfold brexit and take a deep in the dark about brent's future. there is no mention of their prime minister's favorite term implementation period anywhere in the 600 pages of the withdrawal agreement. and no wonder, there's precious little news to implement spoke out either in the agreement or in the future the agreement does call for a transition period, but there is nothing to transition to. it's a bridge to nowhere! as the 26 page document says, it can lead to a spectrum of different outcomes. as well as checks and control. and we are expected to endorse that as a basis of our future relationship for the european union. after two years of negotiations, all the government has really agreed to is a very vague wish list. and mr speaker, only
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three of its 26 pages deal with trade. it's not a trade deal, it's not even close to a trade deal. the trade deal recently signed between the eu and canada took seven years to negotiate, and ran to 1600 pages. in two and a half years, this government has agreed to three pages of text on trade. it's hardly an encouraging start to the future trade relationships. the former brexit secretary committed to and i quote, detailed, precise, and substantial documents. we had the right to expect one. what we got in contains no mention of frictionless trade promised at checkers or even trade promised at checkers or even trade as frictionless as possible, promised before that. there is no ambition to negotiate a new
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comprehensive customs union with a british say that would protect jobs, trade, and industry and so uncertainty continues for business. does my right honourable friend agree with me that this deal does not deliver frictionless trade and that this will have a negative impact on the economy and riskjobs as well? it certainly does not deliver frictionless trade and those working in industry are extreme you worried about what's going to be happening in the future because they don't see this deal as protecting theirjobs or their future. don't see this deal as protecting theirjobs or theirfuture. the demand for a new comprehensive customs union is one that's united both the cbi customs union is one that's united both the cb! and tuc because it protects manufacturing supply chains. the decision to rule out a customs union and the lack of
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clarity in the deila risks based investment being deferred on an even greater scale than it is at the moment costing jobs and living standards. and many companies may decide the lack of certainty means they will explore their contingency plan to relocate elsewhere both the first minister of wales, scotland have also made clear to the prime minister that they would support participation in a customs union to protect the economy and jobs. a commitment to and comprehensive customs union could i believe i found support in this house. the government didn't seek it.|j found support in this house. the government didn't seek it. i think the leader of the opposition for giving way, the leader of the opposition talks about uncertainty, but i could turn into just one example as to why i would encourage him to support the prime minister's deal and it's this. if that deal
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does not go through we could face a situation at 7:01pm on the 29th of march where 1 situation at 7:01pm on the 29th of march where! million uk situation at 7:01pm on the 29th of march where 1 million uk citizens living in the eu 27 will no longer have their rights guaranteed, what would he do with that position?|j would he do with that position?” would imagine the honourable member supports the prime minister his deal is because he's in credibly loyal to the party with the blindness of the dangers of this deal and the rest of the party and the jobs that go with it. the lack of clarity around these proposals also means there's no guarantee, strong deal with a single market to ensure continued access to european markets and services, merely a vague commitment to go beyond the baseline of the world trade organization. as both the attorney—general and the environment secretary have made clear in recent days. the commitments the workers'
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rights environmental protections, and consumer safeguards are very, very farfrom and consumer safeguards are very, very far from secure. as a speaker, the social europe that many people supported and continue support was not part of why people voted to me. all of that is at risk from this deal. this dealfails all of that is at risk from this deal. this deal fails to give so many economic sectors and public services clarity about our future relationships with several european union agencies and programmes. take for example, the galileo programme. on the environment, agree with me that the prime minister his deal seriously undermines environmental protection in this country because it does not replace the european court ofjustice with anything like the strength of an enforcement body instead of the promised watchdog we have much less than i lack off. the
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member is absolutely correct, because the environmental protections that we have are obviously essential, you cannot protect the environment inside national borders, it has to be done across national borders, and we have to have the tough —— tough as possible and environmental regulations. the suspicion that many of us have is that there's an appetite on that side of the house to re m ove appetite on that side of the house to remove many of these protections as time goes on. on the point of environmental protections, and other protections which is so important, does he agree with me that the governments obsession of clamping down on foreign aid, state aid is something that is the wrong focus and they should be focusing on all of the protections that we are bringing up at this moment in time? mr speaker, the state aid rules of
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the european union are something this government has been very, very happy to sign up to and indeed use that as a means of not defending this deal works when they could've done something about it defended those jobs done something about it defended thosejobs in done something about it defended those jobs in red done something about it defended thosejobs in red car at that time. it's the failure of this government to do anything to protect both steelworks and those jobs that they should be condemned for her. i think my friend for his intervention and the work he did to try and protect those jobs. take for example mr speaker the galileo programme. to which the uk is so far contributed 1.2 billion. but now, we seem set to walk away from it. then there is a lack of clarity about whether we will continue to participate in the european arrest warrant, or you are just. the checkers proposal argued for the uk just. the checkers proposal argued forthe uk maintaining just. the checkers proposal argued for the uk maintaining membership of the european aviation safety agency
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and the european agency. but the future partnership mania allows for cooperation. i think the right honourable member for giving way. does my right honourable friend agree that while the prime minister seems proud of the freedom of movement has ended, she can't tell us movement has ended, she can't tell us what it will be replaced with. is it not right that we see the for the meaningful both? wie similar clarity about many others, including horizon 20 205, about many others, including horizon 20 20s, which have been so brilliant in providing students with opportunities to study in other countries. that is why so many young people are so concerned at this present time about what is happening. mr speaker, there is no clarity about any future immigration system between the uk and the
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european union. and it now seems the immigration white paper we are promised in december 2017 won't even appear in december 2018. following the disgraceful windrush scandal, many prospective migrants will have no confidence in the ability of this government to deliver a fair and efficient system. thank you for mentioning immigration, emigration isa mentioning immigration, emigration is a serious thing that our young people are concerned about, especially to do with brexit, because you mentioned the windrush scandal do you agree that lesson learned is not good enough, we need a public inquiry to really understand the windrush scandal and the whole to our environment and when we get this you will understand more about how the government is committed to immigration and getting things right especially at times like this? i think my friend for her
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intervention and as the daughter of a windrush generation, migrants to this country she fully understands how horrible it felt in her community when this prime minister as home secretary deliberately created the hostile environment which was so damaging the community relations all across our country. and many eu nationals already here have no faith in the government to manage the process a settled status fairly or efficiently. these are people who contributed to our country, to our economy, to our public services, and especially our nhs. we all meet them in hospitals and doctors surgery, it's these people who are now so anxious about their future. people who are now so anxious about theirfuture. mr speaker, people who are now so anxious about their future. mr speaker, to people who are now so anxious about theirfuture. mr speaker, to our negotiating partners in the european union, i say this. we understand why after two years of negotiations you wa nt after two years of negotiations you want this resolved. but this
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parliament to represent the people of this country. and a deal negotiated by this government is not good enough for the people of this country. so, if parliament votes down the deal, then reopening negotiations cannot and should not be ruled out. there is a deal that i believe could win the support of this house and bring the country together. based on a new comprehensive and permanent customs union, with a uk safe, and real protection of workers' rights and environmental and consumer safeguards. mr speaker, as i conclude, i've been very generous mr speaker and giving way, particularly to that side. as i conclude, mr speaker, as i conclude, i want to pay tribute to my honourable friend
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the memberfor pay tribute to my honourable friend the member for holborn, but his shadow brexit secretary, and his tea m shadow brexit secretary, and his team of shadow ministers, he's now facing his third brexit secretary, he stayed the course, holding the government to account. and i thank him and his wonderful team and their supporters for what they've done and isa supporters for what they've done and is a test today and forcing the government to release the legal advice that they were trying to it —— withhold from us. this is not the deal the country was promised. i'm parliament cannot and i believe will not accept it. the false choice between this bad deal and no deal will also be rejected. people around the country... the opposition is not currently giving way, he's developing his points. he's developing his points. he's developing its point, members don't need to set themselves up as though they are conducting an orchestra. it's not necessary. you are it and
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encourage a individual, your assistance in this matter is not required. your are assistance in this matter is not required. yourare a assistance in this matter is not required. your are a veteran of many times and i'm going to draw my remarks to a close very soon. the responsibility for this state of anxiety lies so the with this governments. two years of bought negotiations have led us here to day. members of this house have a very important decision one week today, to go to this deal would be today, to go to this deal would be to damage our economy, to make our constituents poorer, and to take a lea k constituents poorer, and to take a leak in the dark for the future of this country. don't take my word for it, the government published in the end economic assessment which found the chequers proposals would make our economy nearly 11% smaller than
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it would otherwise be lost nor king 100 billion hours of our economy within 15 years. for those who like to break down figures into weekly amounts, that is almost £2 billion a week less. that definitely was not seen on the side of a bus. labour will vote against this dl, a bad dealfor britain, a bad dealfor our economy and i believe a bad dealfor our democracy. our country deserves better than this. mr boris johnson. it is perfectly clear from listening to the honourable gentleman, the leader of the labour party, that he is joining leader of the labour party, that he isjoining with the leader of the labour party, that he is joining with the shadow chancellor and shadow brexit secretary and now determined to frustrate brexit and the result of the referendum in 2017. absolutely
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clear from what he said just now. i must regretfully say to my honourable friend, the prime minister, i really cannot believe there is a single member of this house who sincerely believes that this deal we have before ours is a good dealfor the this deal we have before ours is a good deal for the uk. this deal we have before ours is a good dealfor the uk. there is one. there we go, there is one. i must say... isaid there we go, there is one. i must say... i said sincerely. you can tell that the government... try order. forgive me. point of order, mr edward vaizey. - clearly believe it. i have no stake in this governments any more but i believe it is the right thing to do. boris johnson. in which case, i am happy to ignore that the sincerity of my honourable friend but i have to say
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that the government's hearts does not appear to be in this deal and i think listening to those who were sent out to defend it and explain it, and they know that it is a democratic disaster, in fact, after two years of negotiation, as has already been said, it has achieved an extraordinary thing in that it has brought us together finally. it has brought us together finally. it has brought us together, remain as and levers, myself, tony blair, we are united. the wholejohnson family is united. in the belief that this is united. in the belief that this isa is united. in the belief that this is a national humiliation. it makes a mockery of brexit. i'm sorry to say this, these are hard truths that there will be no proper free—trade deals as a result of this deal. we will not take back control of everything. it will do harm to the
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meaning of words. we will give up £39 million —— 30 £9 billion from nothing. we will not take control of our borders. not only are we to settle the terms in which the eu migrants will come to the country but we will be levying eu tariffs at uk ports and sending 80% of the cash to brussels. in short, we're going to brussels. in short, we're going to be ruled pages, eddie facto colony and out of sheer funk... i'm sorry to have to say this to the house, but we are ensuring that he will never be able to take advantage of the freeze on the back freedoms they should have won by brexit. —— on the freedoms. on the back stock, we on the freedoms. on the back stock, we have to say the next day in the customs union —— we have to stay in the customs union. unless and until
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the customs union. unless and until the eu decides to let us go. and why should they? why should they let it go? while handing over £39 billion, we go? while handing over £39 billion, we do not lose out on leveraged and with £95 billion plus they have with us with £95 billion plus they have with us in with £95 billion plus they have with usina with £95 billion plus they have with us in a good loan, —— includes a loan, there is no bass of —— in dudes alone. i will give way. u nwa nted dudes alone. i will give way. unwanted baggy honourable member forgiving way. the prime minister gave ours seven reasons why forgiving way. the prime minister gave ours seven reasons why the eu will not be using this backstop. the tourney generally yesterday made it com pletely tourney generally yesterday made it completely clear that the backstop, if it ever came to plays, would be challengeable under eu law its self. i say to my greatly respected colleague that i think he is promoting projects via the cause
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what is his...7 promoting projects via the cause what is his...? order, and resume your seat. i'm sorry to bark at the honourable lady but the intervention isjust too long. end of. then off. borisjohnson. isjust too long. end of. then off. boris johnson. very good point none the less because it is exactly on the less because it is exactly on the point. as i have been saying, the point. as i have been saying, the eu has no incentive whatsoever to let us out of this backstop precisely because they have this massive trade surplus with ours. furthermore, when you look at eu manufacturing and uk business —— uk manufacturing and uk business —— uk manufacturing and uk business, they realise that they have, through the hole in the minty asian period and beyond, uncheck an unmediated power. —— the whole transition period. with no representation. if you think that
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is an ideal situation, let him speak now. is an ideal situation, let him speak now. the right honourable member speaks about representation but he was a member of the total leave, foreign secretary for two years, we are in this mess because of him. does he take the responsibility? —— does he take no responsibility? and grateful to the honourable member but i'm afraid i was not able to continue to support this process for precisely that reason. if the house will allow me, i will make some progress. they know that having that regular tory control over us —— regular tory control over us —— regular tree control over us, they would have us by the scruff of our necks. they would have an impermanent activity —— have asked ina impermanent activity —— have asked in a permanent captivity as a
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reminder of what happens to all those who try to leave the eu. this isa those who try to leave the eu. this is a recipe for blackmail and it is open to any member of the eu to name its price. i will make progress. name its price for britain's right to leave the backstop. the spanish will make a play for gibraltar, the french will go for our fish, the germans may want some concessions on the movement of eu nationals and so it goes on. i will give way and just a second. the worst of it is that we have not even tried properly to leave. or shown any real interest in having a different future and i will give way. thank you. i thank my honourable friend for dealing way. the prime minister at the dispatch box today was generous. she made very clear that for us to unify the country, we have to bring the 48%
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that voted tuesday as well as the 52. can! that voted tuesday as well as the 52. can i have my honourable friend, someone that was regarded in london asa someone that was regarded in london as a unifying politicalfigure, what would you do to bring the 48 and 52 together? as i say, remain and the leaves have been, to a very large extent, united at their dismay of what i say is a wholly undemocratic deal. the thing that really pains me, and the gentleman opposite asked about the role of ministers in this, i have to say that on the uk side, we i have to say that on the uk side, we have been responsible forforging our own we have been responsible forforging our own manacles we have been responsible forforging our own manacles in the sense that it is almost decided that he had to stay in the customs union and single market in defiance of the wishes of
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the people. we should be careful. i will give way to my honourable friend behind me who has been chuntering away from a sedentary position behind me. we have to be careful of claiming any kind of subterfuge but it is hard to understand. we have lost to brexit secretaries and the course of these negotiations and it is very hard to understand how the secretary of state for the apartment of leaving the eu could have been kept in the dark about the crucial addition to paragraph 23 of the political declaration. i will give way to my honourable friend. where the country agreed apparently without the knowledge of the elected politician concerned that our future relationship would be based on the backstop. no one campaign for that outcome. no one campaign, no one
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wa nted outcome. no one campaign, no one wanted this type of brexit. this is not brexit. i will give way in a second. it is a paint and plaster, hugo brexit. any —— it is a pseudo brexit. it is all adjudicated by the european court of justice. brexit. it is all adjudicated by the european court ofjustice. they've rewrote for this deal, we will not be taking back control but losing it. i'm very grateful to the honourable gentleman forgiving way. he appears to want to prefer the grievance to the solution. the prime minister came up with a solution. what is big idea? i was coming to that, mr speaker. you anticipate... order, order, order, order. members must not shout across the chamber at
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the honourable gentleman. this is extremely unseemly. i've no doubt the honourable gentleman is well able to look after himself, i'm not concerned about him, i'm concerned about the reputation of the house. borisjohnson. about the reputation of the house. boris johnson. i've been told i have an unlimited time to speak so i was going to... i will come to the solution that my honourable friend craves in just a solution that my honourable friend craves injust a minute. the solution is in fact... i willjust make progress. if we voted deal, we're not taking back control and i would say to colleagues and friends across the house of commons that they are part of a representative democracy and voting for this deal would not be just turkeys voting for christmas, it is worse than that because there is a sense who would because there is a sense who would be voting for turkey. we'd be voting
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for turkey of turkish style membership of the union, obliged to watch as access to uk market is true traded by brussels but with no say in the negotiations. of course, the ginger is with its veto, the eu ensures ginger is with its veto, the eu ensures that the backstop they impose on ours is more subservient even impose on ours is more subservient even with the arrangements that the turks have and it is a wonder that any democratic politician would conceivably vote for this deal and yet i know... one second. i know that many good colleagues are indeed determined to do so. in the belief that we have no alternative, we will
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run out of road and brussels will offer nothing else. i want respectfully to deal with those anxieties which i'm sure my honourable friend shares. like blackberry grateful. given that my honourable friend appears to be unwilling to enter into an understanding of what negotiation is, can we take it from that match my honourable friend is actually only ever meant that no deal is a good deal because he does not believe in having a deal with an institution that he is philosophically opposed to and windmills that he tilts at every turn? i have great respect and admiration from right honourable friend. i ought to philosophically oppose the european union. i simply think membership of the european union for the purposes of the uk is no longer right and that is what i campaigned on and!
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right and that is what i campaigned on and i think the british people we re on and i think the british people were completely right. as for no deal, i don't believe no deal is the option we should be going for automatically, but they will come to that in just automatically, but they will come to that injust a automatically, but they will come to that in just a minute. automatically, but they will come to that injust a minute. i want to deal with these anxieties, i know that my honourable friend shares, because i think he is profoundly mistaken as indeed are all collea g u es mistaken as indeed are all colleagues in thinking we have absolutely no option but to go ahead on this basis, we have plenty of other options. in order to see the way ahead, we need to understand what happens on tuesday, if as i very much hope this great house of commons votes down this deal. you have to put yourself in mind of our cou nterpa rts have to put yourself in mind of our counterparts in brussels, because in brussels they think they have got us beat. they do. they think our nerve
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will eventually fail. they think the prime minister will come to the summit next week and in the event of a common to steal being voted down and ask for some cosmetic changes and ask for some cosmetic changes and! and ask for some cosmetic changes and i expect they will think about granting some cosmetic language that is intended to be hateful but does not change the legal position. they think in brussels they are confident that sometime before much next year the government will come back to this house —— intended to be helpful. they think this deal will go through by her go by crook, because everybody keeps saying there is no alternative and the norway option will be seen for what it is, and even worse solution, the notion of extending article 50, delaying the data brexit, will be deleted i think with fury, by the electorate asi think with fury, by the electorate as i think with any attempt to amend
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the terms of except, to put us back into the customs union, that would be rumbled by the electorate as well. i will give way. be rumbled by the electorate as well. iwill give way. is be rumbled by the electorate as well. i will give way. is seen that concerned that trying to win 7—0 he may lose 4—3? concerned that trying to win 7—0 he may lose 4-3? i understand exactly the analogy that he speaks of. but i have heard it said by defenders of the government that we may be 1—0 down at the end of this first half of the negotiation but we will win 2-0, 2-1 of the negotiation but we will win 2—0, 2—1 by the end. i don't see it that way. if we go on like this with the backstop in the way that it is, i believe will be thrashed out of sight. i will come to carolyn
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minute. —— carol in a minute. having studied the uk negotiating style in detail, i don't... order. there is excessive noise in the chamber. my understanding in so far as i can hear is... order. calm yourself. is that mrjohnson is not currently giving way. borisjohnson.” that mrjohnson is not currently giving way. borisjohnson. ithinki have given way quite a lot so far. i am happy to give way in the future. ijust want am happy to give way in the future. i just want to come to the point that has been raised by honourable friend ‘s around, just one second, they think we have got nothing left in ourtank and they think we have got nothing left in our tank and they think we want to do in our tank and they think we want todoa in our tank and they think we want to do a deal at any price. i think that now is the time, as we all think about this but and what we are individually going to do, now is the time thinking about the attitude in
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brussels towards us. for us to show that they grossly underestimate this country. and this house of commons and our attachment to our liberties. because there is an alternative and there is another way. and we should not pretend after two years of wasted negotiations that it is going to be easy, but it is the only option that delivers on the will of the people, but i believe also maintains our democratic self—respect as a country. and that is to say what is obvious from this debate and from every poll that i have seen, we should go back to brussels, we should go back to brussels, we should go back to brussels and we should say to them, 1. yes, brussels and we should say to them, " yes, we want to deal if we can get one and yes there is much in the withdrawal agreement that we can keep a notably the good work that has been done on citizens." and the
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gentleman opposite from a sedentary position, he compares the european union to russia and sergei lavrov, i think that is a bad comparison, this is friends and partners, to bear them to russia today is quite extraordinary. we should say we appreciate the good work that is being done to protect the rights of citizens on either side of the channel. we must be clear that we will not accept the backstop. because it is nonsensical to claim that this backstop is somehow essential for further progress in the negotiations. the question of the negotiations. the question of the irish border is with the future partnership and not the withdrawal
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agreement, it was always absurd it should be imported into this section of the negotiations. we should use the implementation period to negotiate that future partnership as i believe the government itself envisages. and by the way, we should withhold at least half of that £39 billion until the negotiation is completed on the new partnership. i think if we did that, it is certainly better than your idea, i believe the eu will send is... is the deal to play on the table better or worse the deal to play on the table better or worse than staying at the european union's it is a finely balanced question. much will depend on what happens after the vote on
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tuesday. i believe that if we say what i propose some of the eu will understand that the government has banned its resolve and is willing —— found its resolve and willing to be tough at last and i believe the eu will do a deal on those terms. i will do a deal on those terms. i will have to take, i bet i know what he going to say. in case they do not ee, he going to say. in case they do not agree, we he going to say. in case they do not agree, we must be absolutely emphatic now that we are preparing urgently for the possibility that we will indeed have two lead before we reach a final agreement. i will give way. . we are putting on a withdrawal agreement on three points that had to be settled before the big negotiations start on the future relationship, the very wide agenda
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over relationship, the very wide agenda over the next two years. but he is suggesting is we reject this withdrawal agreement now, in december, before, we go back and say we are december, before, we go back and say we are not going to pay our contribution to any legal liabilities and continue access and we're not at the stage going to guarantee an open border in ireland. does he think there is the faintest chance that it will be taken seriously by any other member government and isn't he just doomed to rush to a catastrophic no deal?” must say aye don't agree at all. obviously we should state what is agreed amongst all there will be no ha rd agreed amongst all there will be no hard border in northern ireland, all sides agree to that. as for the legal liabilities to pay the £39 billion, those are to say the least contested. i believe that it is
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additionally vital to do what we have failed to do so far and that is to show that we have the conviction to show that we have the conviction to leave without an agreement. i agree that would mean great national effort if it comes to that point. and it would mean we have to ensure we and it would mean we have to ensure we had to get all the goods to reports in addition to dover and ensure reports in addition to dover and ensure planes reports in addition to dover and ensure planes can reports in addition to dover and ensure planes can fly and all those other questions. i will...” ensure planes can fly and all those other questions. iwill... ithank the honourable gentleman for finally giving way. he is presenting an allusion of the eu not being good for the uk. i would just as kim does he also think euratom is not good for the uk he also think euratom is not good forthe uk and he also think euratom is not good for the uk and if so can he explain to those currently waiting for cancer diagnosis and treatment where
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they will get there radioactive sources from? i am glad to have given away because i think that is the kind of scaremongering about the consequences of leaving the eu that really does no favours to the debate. i think the treasury will have an opportunity to ensure that this is in the event of no deal, the opportunity to use that £39 billion to ensure that we can support the economy rather than talking it down. and i believe it will be far better to make that effort now and at least be responsible for our destiny, than to agreed to give up our right to self—government forever because that is effectively what we would be doing, just because of a lack of short—term confidence or competence stop quite frankly the eu will not
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treat us as a sovereign equal in these negotiations unless and until we are these negotiations unless and until we are willing to stand up for our own we are willing to stand up for our own interests. now and in the future. i tell you, own interests. now and in the future. itell you, i own interests. now and in the future. i tell you, i think our country is ready for us to take this stand. i think they are. because i think they have had enough of being told that we can't do it, that the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world is not strong enough to run itself. and if we fail now, mr speaker, it won't be good enough, i have given way great deal, it won't be good enough to say to the fishermen, ourfishermen, that we can't take control of our fish because it all proved to be too difficult to stop and it will be given not to say to the people of northern ireland that after all
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those promises to the people, we accept they must be treated differently from the rest of the uk. i will give way. he talks about the avoidance of a hard border in northern ireland. speaking to the dup conference at the weekend he said that if we chose, great britain shows to bury regulations would be need for regulatory trips and customs borders between great britain and northern ireland. the ta set in some future world where the united kingdom can vary its regulations as a whole, that would inevitably lead to regulatory checks between northern ireland and the rest of ireland 7 between northern ireland and the rest of ireland? it is certainly as michel barnier, i am glad my honourable friend has raised that point because it is a very important point. michel barnier has himself said that these technical solutions to implement such regulatory checks,
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not necessarily customs checks, away from the frontier can be found. that is what we should be doing and should have been doing for the last two years, that is where the effort and energy should have done. and on that point, of regulation, it would be good enough to tell the people of northern ireland that they will be treated differently and to tell the business people of the uk that now end in the future they are going to be burdened with regulation emanating from brussels over which we emanating from brussels over which we will have absolutely no control and we couldn't stop it because we couldn't see an alternative. i must say to colleagues, but it colleagues think it is too disruptive to go now for the super canada option, if collea g u es for the super canada option, if colleagues thinks it will be to difficult to go from reid now, just you wait until you feel the popular
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reaction that will follow when people realise the referendum has been betrayed. and the tragedy. i will give way with pleasure. thank you for giving way. could he tell us how his cunning plan which ends up with no deal will secure the 485,000 jobs that rely on the automotive sector and the just—in—time supply chains which he first heard about about six months ago from the secretary of state for business and industrial strategy? i will not comment on when i heard about the times supply changes, it many years ago, but the objective, as she knows, to create a zero character, zero quoted deal which is readily deliverable when you consider we have zero tariffs and zero quoted as. as for her anxiety
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aboutjob zero quoted as. as for her anxiety about job losses, i zero quoted as. as for her anxiety aboutjob losses, i had to say that we aboutjob losses, i had to say that we have already heard a lot of promises about losses ofjobs. i think it was said to would lose 500,000 jobs in this country if the british people had the temerity to vote to leave but we actually gained 800,000 jobs so i take these prophecies with a pinch of
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