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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source. quite a day in westminster. three times theresa may saw defeat — as her government achieves an unwelcome historic first. it is unprecedented for this house to find government ministers in contempt. the government must now publish the legal advice in full. in light of the expressed will of the house, we will publish the final and full advice provided by the attorney general to cabinet. we'll report from france, where president macron has backed down in the face of protests and suspended his new taxes on fuel. two senior us republicans say they're certain the saudi crown prince ordered the killing of the saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. they said so after after being briefed by director of the cia. there's not a smoking gun, there is a smoking saw. well, where to start?
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the house of commons handed out three defeats to theresa may's government, including one which found the government in contempt of parliament. and that was all ahead of the start of a five—day debate on the prime minister's brexit deal with the eu. that's happening now. this is the live feed coming into the bbc newsroom. let's have a listen to what is being said. are few who could speak with so much genuine authority and knowledge, and in her analysis and conclusions, she is absolutely right. and alighted that she and i also agree that we should now have a people's vote on this, the most important decision that our country will take and face
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for decades. i also want to say this, you might think understand more than many that have that consensus, that agreement, was here in this house shortly after the referendum result. the great failing, it gives me no pleasure to say this of my own government, the great failing was from the outset. instead of reaching out across this house and across our country, do you'll divisions, bring together the 48 of the 52, afraid and sorry to say the exact opposite was done. it isa say the exact opposite was done. it is a measure of where we have got to with brexit that she was speaking just after margaret beckett, a senior labour politician was speaking also being critical of the deal so we are seeing allegiances
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both from politicians who favour brexit and those who would like to stop it. we will hear more of what is being said in that debate in a couple of minutes but let me take you right back to the beginning of the day. we have a number of significant defeats, one was as to whether legal advice offered to the government should be published in full. a summary had been published but it didn't want to publish advice in its entirety. the opposition argue that meant the government was in contempt of parliament. the government tried to refer this to a committee, then when they demanded advice was published in full, this happened. nose to the left 293. .. the happened. nose to the left 293... the government was found to be in co nte m pt of the government was found to be in contempt of parliament and told to publish the full legal advice. this
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house has now is —— spoken. it is unprecedented to find government ministers in contempt. the government must now publish the legal advice in full. the leader of the house gave the government's reaction — and note the body language of the attorney general sitting to the right of andrea leadsome. we will publish the final and follow advice to cabinet, but recognising the very serious constitutional issues this raises, i have referred the matter to the privileges committee to consider the implications of the humble address. let's bring in rob watson. in terms of how this impacts on next tuesday's vote, help me out. not massively. i suspect by next tuesday
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we will have forgotten this, it will bea we will have forgotten this, it will be a footnote in history, although rather inglorious one, but not the important thing. if you think the story about theresa may's government seems like it has a whiff of chaos around its handling of brexit, and a government which is deeply divided over britain's relationship with the european union, this very much enforces those negative views. don't go anywhere, on a normal day that would be plenty to talk about but there are many strands to this story. the third defeat came in the form of a motion that allows parliament to have a signicant say in what happens if theresa may's brexit deal is defeated in parliament next tuesday. the government opposed that idea. this is what happened. the ayes to the right 321, the noes to the left...
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the amendment was tabled by the tory mp dominic grieve. he spoke after the result. i put forward this amendment which would in very simple terms deal that problem and provide reassurance, even before we start on these really important debates, that whatever the outcome next week we have the means of continuing the debate thereafter. rob, does this mean no deal becomes far less likely? yes, is the very short answer. it's a hugely significant moment in the brexit process. i'm sure some people will be groaning, hasn't he said that before, but it is true there is not a political consensus about very much in british parliament when it comes to brexit but if there is one thing most mps are agreed on it is that they don't want a no deal brexit, britain leaving the european union without any agreement. i
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suspect there's also a consensus for a softer version of brexit, in other words britain staying closer rather than more distant the eu. i guess the other way you could look at it is the government losing control to some extent of the brexit process. one of the key arguments theresa may and her allies has been this is the only brexit deal and if you don't go for this you could be looking at no—deal. for this you could be looking at no-deal. i think that argument has rather fallen away and maybe theresa may won't be entirely aghast at that. if you think about the maths, in order to get her deal past, she needs to get the whacking great chunk of the right wing of her conservative party who are immensely enthusiastic about brexit on her side. she could turn around and say to them it is either my deal or may bea to them it is either my deal or may be a softer brexit or may be a second referendum so she may be
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hoping to persuade some brexiteers that much as they don't like her deal that is better than the alternatives. all of those defeats we re alternatives. all of those defeats were just alternatives. all of those defeats werejust a warm up alternatives. all of those defeats were just a warm up for the start of this five—day debate on the brexit withdrawal deal. the prime minister was the first to speak. ultimately membership of any union that involves the pooling of sovereignty can only be sustained with the consent of the people. in the referendum of 2016, the biggest democratic exercise in our history, the british public withdrew that consent. here is the labour opposition leader, jeremy corbyn, responding. this house will make its decision next tuesday. i hope and expect this house will reject that deal. at that point, the government has lost the confidence of the house. i think
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they should reflect on that. either they should reflect on that. either they have got to get a better deal from the eu or give way to those who will. borisjohnson also spoke. the key figure in the campaign in 2016 for brexit to happen. after two years of negotiation, it has achieved an extraordinary thing in the sense it has brought us together, finally. remainers, leavers, myself, tony blair... the whole johnson family is leavers, myself, tony blair... the wholejohnson family is united in that this is a national humiliation and it makes a mockery of brexit. when i'm listening to the speakers, i'm not seeing many people change their position. i'm not downplaying
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their position. i'm not downplaying the importance of parliamentary democracy and what will happen in the next five days but i think the arguments are very familiar and what we are arguments are very familiar and what we a re really arguments are very familiar and what we are really waiting for is the vote next tuesday. i think what we are waiting for specifically is how big will theresa may's defeat be because i think the margin of loss and i'm presuming it will be a loss, determines what may happen next. quick word about nigel farage. he's not a member of parliament but he had been in leader of the uk independence party, his announced leaving ukip, how does that fit into the political occasion? something i saw pointed out social media that got me thinking was someone saying that it's interesting, if you look at some of the great big movers in the whole brexit debate persuading britain to drastically alter its foreign economic policy, nigel
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farage, borisjohnson, foreign economic policy, nigel farage, boris johnson, where foreign economic policy, nigel farage, borisjohnson, where are they all now? they are on the fringes of british politics. the writer raised the question, was necessarily a good idea to listen to those people? they might say, if you had put us in charge of this process , we had put us in charge of this process, we might have got a different outcome. of course they would and nigel farage says exactly that. i guess borisjohnson‘s defence is somewhat... in many ways that is at the heart of britain's political problems right now. at his frustrations, tensions and the sense of logjam. before i let you go, are they going into the night in the
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commons? they will. they will all be entitled to a taxi home because i suspect the buses will have shot down. you are entitled to a taxi home, let's see if we can fix it up. thank you. despite all of those defeats, that's not the entirety of what i have got to talk about. this is campos sanchez—bordona — a top law official at the european court ofjustice — which is effectively the eu's supreme court. today, he released what's called a non—binding legal opinion. it says the uk could call off brexit without the approval of other eu member states. here are some of the scottish politicians who brought the case. one of them, alyn smith, says that the opinion showed that "we now have a road map out of the brexit shambles". it is worth saying the government
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repeatedly says it doesn't want a road map out of brexit. adam fleming was there for the legal briefing. this is an opinion from the advocate general who is the legal adviser who advises thejudges. he general who is the legal adviser who advises the judges. he was at the hearing in luxembourg where the arguments were made and now he's published this 41 page legal assessment which is a recommendation to thejudges that assessment which is a recommendation to the judges that they could choose to the judges that they could choose to follow or they could reject when they make their ruling on an as yet unspecified date. some lawyers had been campaigning against brexit and they think it will influence the minds of mps at westminster when they vote on the final deal next week, that brexit
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isn't a one—way process, the uk could change its mind and the other member states wouldn't have to give their permission and wouldn't have any opportunity to apply any extra conditions to the uk for staying in the eu. they also think that's a powerful tool in their campaign for another referendum to the british public whether they want to sign up to theresa may's deal, leave with no deal or remain. we won't know for certain what the european court of justice thinks until the judges deliver their final ruling and we don't know when that will be. for the uk government, they say this is a hypothetical question because they have no intention of provoking article 50. it is worth reminding ourselves of the big political steps that would have to be taken for the uk government to reverse its position and to be in a situation where it said to the eu we don't wa nt to where it said to the eu we don't want to leave at all after all. you are up—to—date with everything that has happened today, at least for the moment. if you want background on
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brexit or the latest analysis, the bbc website is the place to go. frankly just bbc website is the place to go. franklyjust go to the front page and you won't miss it. let's turn away from brexit for the moment. the french government has blinked. after violent protests against tax rises on fuel, those tax rises have been suspended. here's the french prime minister. after hearing this request from every interlocutor i've met during the consultations in recent days, i'm suspending these tax measures for six months. they will not apply until they are discussed by all stakeholders. we want to identify and implement fair stakeholders. we want to identify and implementfairand stakeholders. we want to identify and implement fair and effective accompanying measures within this timeframe. while there have been protests in different parts of france, the focus has been paris. some of the protests there have been
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violent. there have been clashes with police, and extensive damage done to property. four people have died and several hundred have been injured. the protests are called the ‘gilets jaunes' — that's a reference to the high—vis yellow vests that the drivers who started these protests wear. and this isn't over, despite that government backdown. benjamin caughy has been one prominent voice as these demonstrations have grown. he's saying "the french are not sparrows. they don't want crumbs but the whole baguette." the far right leader marine le pen is getting involved. "six months? probably a coincidence if itjust carries us a few days after the elections". that's a reference to the european elections in may. well, all of this is piling pressure on emmanuel macron. this ifop—fiducial poll finds his unpopularity soaring — that's shown by this red line. go back to when he was president,
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30% disapproved of him as leader, 110w 30% disapproved of him as leader, now the figure is 76%. here's the bbc‘s paris correspondent lucy williamson. president macron has always been clear that he wouldn't be put off by protests. the difference with this protests. the difference with this protest is that it doesn'tjust bring together ordinary people through social media but it also has a lot of support in the country at large. what the government is trying to do is to offer enough to buy off the more moderate supporters from the more moderate supporters from the movement, but even if that works it doesn't deal with the deeper frustrations that gave rise to the movement in the first place and it also signals that president macron and his government, if the conditions are right, will respond to protest. in a few minutes we will be in washington because two republicans are saying they are certainly saudi crown prince ordered the killing of the saudi journalist
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jamal khashoggi. it's quite clear the worst victims of this disaster and the poor people living in the slums that have sprung up living in the slums that have sprung up around the factory. they are dying around me and i can't do anything. charles manson is the leader of the hippie cult suspect it of killing six people in los angeles. at 11am just half a metre of rock separated britain from continental europe. a minerfrom calais was
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shaking hands and exchanging flags with his opposite numberfrom dover. this is outside source, our lead story is brexit. the government became the first in history to be held in contempt of parliament. two senior republican senators say they are confident the saudi crown prince is linked to the murder of the saudi journalist jamal khashoggi and they said so after being briefed by the cia. first this is lindsey graham. the crown prince is a wrecking ball, i think he's complicit in the murder ofjamal i think he's complicit in the murder of jamal khashoggi. there's i think he's complicit in the murder ofjamal khashoggi. there's not i think he's complicit in the murder of jamal khashoggi. there's not a smoking gun, there is a smoking saw.
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you have to be wilfully blind not to come to the conclusion that this was orchestrated and organised under the command of nbs. and this is bob corker. i have zero question in my mind that the crown prince ordered the killing, monitored the killing, knew exactly what was happening, planned it in advance. if he was in front of ajury he it in advance. if he was in front of a jury he would be convicted in 30 minutes, guilty. remember — the saudis have charged 11 people with involvement in the killing but deny the crown prince knew of it. the cia has concluded he probably did order the killing. that briefing by cia director, gina haspel, comes after a senate briefing last week in which she was absent. the secretaries of state and defence did attend. and mike pompeo said this afterwards. ido i do believe i've read every piece
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of intelligence but has come in in the last few hours. there is no direct reporting connecting the crown prince to the order of the murder ofjamal crown prince to the order of the murder of jamal khashoggi, that crown prince to the order of the murder ofjamal khashoggi, that is all i can say. earlier i spoke with barbara plett usher from washington about how awkward this whole situation is becoming. the senate is very much going against the narrative of the white house, which according to mr trump's statement said may the prince did it, maybe he didn't but either way we have interests with the saudis which means we have to go on with business as usual. mike pompeo basically said there was no evidence the crown prince was involved. probably both the senators and cabinet officials are correct because the cia report as leaked to the wall streetjournal says there is no direct reporting of a link between the prince and jamal khashoggi but they assessed it was
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likely he was involved and that they felt that way with medium to high confidence and it is probably the strongest kind of assessment they could make without some clear stark evidence. but the evidence as presented to the senators, they came out with the conclusion it was pretty obvious what had happened, and you heard mr graham and mr corker also saying they had no doubt at all what had happened, and mr graham went further with regards to the cabinet officials saying they we re the cabinet officials saying they were probably being good soldiers, but frankly i question anyone's judgment who doesn't come to the conclusion the crown prince was involved. the tension between congress, the senate in particular around the white house has escalated with this briefing. what do senators corker and graham want to happen now because of the conclusions they and the cia have drawn? different things, which makes it difficult for congress to act because different senators, although they are
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outraged, have different views of what sort of approach to take so mr corker would prefer if the white house came out with a strong state m e nts house came out with a strong statements condemning the crown prince for complicity in the murder ofjamal prince for complicity in the murder of jamal khashoggi and prince for complicity in the murder ofjamal khashoggi and making sure prices paid, he said, by which i think he means tougher sanctions. failing that congress would have to act. there's already a resolution that has begun to be put forward for debate which would withdraw us military support for the saudi led war in yemen, again expressing displeasure for the saudis but in a different way. some senators would prefer not to bring yemen into this, they would rather focus on the jamal khashoggi murder. there is a bill pending which would suspend arms sales and increase sanctions and called for more reporting on the issue. mr graham himself said he would like to get consensus state m e nts would like to get consensus statements condemning saudi arabia but the point is there are different approaches so we have to see what they are able to come up with before
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they are able to come up with before the end of session this year, and just a footnote to that which is the democrats take over the house next year so we can imagine this will come up in different ways continually as they will be very much wanting to keep it alive. thank you very much to barbara. now i want to show you some live feeds coming m, to show you some live feeds coming in, and firstly this is the brexit debate going on in the house of commons. out or british, now 85% of lorries coming in and going out our continental. a hard brexit means a ha rd continental. a hard brexit means a hard border, we have heard a lot about that in northern ireland but not in england at a and we will be hearing a lot of different arguments for and against theresa may's plan for brexit. remember this isa may's plan for brexit. remember this is a five—day debate building onto a vote on tuesday evening next week. that is one of the live feeds i wa nted that is one of the live feeds i wanted to show you. the other
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concerns the turner prize, the biggest arts prize in the uk because we have a short programme today because in a moment we will be joining the bbc‘s coverage live from the tate britain of the ceremony in which the winner is announced. we are down to four finalists. one of them is a forensics architecture, journalists, lawyers and scientists so it will be interesting to find out what they get up to. three others as well and that will be starting here whether you are watching on bbc world news or the bbc news channel so i hope you enjoy that and outside source we'll be back to its full length tomorrow. thanks for watching. thank you forjoining me. we start
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in north america, the weather picture currently is actually a pretty quiet one. the low pressure that brought the stormy weather through the weekend now pulling out into the atlantic. a few showers across florida. basically what we have almost got from coast—to—coast isa have almost got from coast—to—coast is a big area of high pressure for tuesday, but looking out towards the pacific you can see a low here and that will increasingly make inroads into california through the course of tuesday but especially for wednesday. following on from the bushfires, the terrain is altered such that heavy rain coming down in a short space of time will cause some landslides and i think we will see some localised flooding thanks to the relentless rain. rain in san francisco clearing for thursday. it gets into phoenix with a dip in the temperatures on thursday and friday. let's stick with changing
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temperatures and head across to asia. rain pulling away from japan and the south—east of china as this weather front pushes into the pacific on wednesday. with clearer skies and high pressure building behind that weather front, we make way for called a rare digging down from russia. and a good way south into china, that cold air will push as far south as shanghai, unusually low temperatures here for saturday and sunday maybe even with sleet and snow. for australia it's all about the heat still at the moment. it does however, a bit like queensland, we will see the heat breaking in the next few days as further showers come in. remnants of a win which has now been downgraded but still plenty of showers coming in. but further west the heat will build across the northern territory, parts of western australia and briefly tucking into the south as well. for the likes of
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melbourne and adelaide a spike in the temperatures briefly through the week although things taper off again on saturday and sunday as the weather picture becomes more u nsettled weather picture becomes more unsettled here. off now to europe, still very stormy in the east on wednesday. lots of heavy showers for cyprus, much of greece and turkey, and mobile towards the north—west. low— pressure and mobile towards the north—west. low—pressure barrelling in from the atlantic. central europe looking a good deal quieter, pretty mild to the west, still rather chilly further east however, temperatures in moscow around freezing. as for the outlook, mixed fare as you have already seen for the rest of europe in the next few days, but there will bea uk in the next few days, but there will be a uk outlook coming up for you in the next half hour. hello and welcome to tate britain for one of the highlight‘s of the art year, the turner prize. there are two giant slugs which are
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a work of art. standing in the gallery is all the people from the art world waiting to hear who will win the prize at it first took place in the sermon 1984, there other painters and sculptors in that prize, there are no painters and sculptors in this price it's all film makers, for rooms with films to make sense of them and the prize itself i'm
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