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in which the house of commons found the government in contempt of parliament. ministers had been resisting publishing the full legal advice which confirmed that, during its transition out of the eu, the uk can't unilaterally withdraw from a key part of the agreement. it took barely a handful of mps from mrs may's conservatives to rebel to ensure the government's defeat on the contempt motion. many more than that have said they'll vote against on tuesday. david, prediction is a's dean, even more in this case. do you have any sense how this week will pan out? you have just asked sense how this week will pan out? you havejust asked me sense how this week will pan out? you have just asked me to sense how this week will pan out? you havejust asked me to be sense how this week will pan out? you have just asked me to be a sense how this week will pan out? you havejust asked me to be a mug! welcome to the programme. i will respectfully decline. i will help you out a bit more with some form of analytical framework for this. the big question is, is there any kind of settlement or deal or proposition for a deal which parliament could
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agree upon? is there such a thing? never theresa may's deal for the moment, that will almost certainly be defeated on tuesday. the second thing, what is the form of government which we could have short of the general election which would deliver that one deal that parliament could agree about? just keep your eyes on those two questions. on the question of why, short of a general election, mps have tied their hands on the general election. the good old system more you put it down with the government did, they held a no—confidence vote, that was defeated, then you went to the queen and she called a general election, that option isn't there any more. that was abolished during the period of the coalition government. now, effectively, two thirds of mps have to effectively agree that they won the general
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election. of course, the problem with that is, the people who think they are likely to lose a majority tend not to want to vote for it, u nless tend not to want to vote for it, unless somebody can convince them that they would look silly if they don't, so i might look silly but at least i will lose my seat. the polls don't exactly shout confidence for the conservatives were labour as to what the result would be. that is also a dubious proposition. general election would resolve anything. you have two major parties both non—functioning coalitions. you are saying to the electorate, would you like the other non—functioning coalition, which will filter and to the question on the table, which is brexit. i'm hoping this crisis will
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get deeper and even more dramatic so something might happen. when you say a promising way, what is the promise thatis a promising way, what is the promise that is held at broadview?” a promising way, what is the promise that is held at broadview? i have always thought brexit could not be delivered because it was a stupid question with a muddy we have spent two years not deciding what we mean by it. clearly that is politically undeliverable. it will need to go back to some other resolution which looks more likely to be another referendum, then we can possibly get back to governing the country as opposed to worrying about chasing unicorns. agnes, we heard on saturday morning from amber rudd saying she thought there was a plan b, the norway plus option. all of these variations, we don't need to get hung up on the details, but all of these variations are effectively require a compromise of one kind or another. do you detect any
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willingness to compromise, is there a realisation among politicians that compromise is inevitable? the britain i know today is not the britain i know today is not the britain we have known for decades. it is behaving in a very un—british way, we don't understand what is going on. we thought you didn't do i —— ideology. we were relying on europe not to do passion, which is so europe not to do passion, which is so dangerous and politics. look at what has been going on in paris. you have been doing it for two and a half years. have been doing it for two and a half yea rs. we have been doing it for two and a half years. we hope that somehow you will become british again. i put my hope and faith in the british parliament, because britain is a great democracy, after all. if they decided, british mps, to revoke article 50. i know it is wild
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optimism on my part. you think anybody in brussels who thinks that theresa may could win this vote on tuesday, that is for the birds, we should look for another option, whichjeremy corbyn has said to allow for more negotiations, where he prime minister, that is an option he prime minister, that is an option he would consider. it would not be in the interests of britain. we haven't talked about the interest of britain for two and a half years. at least everybody would find closure. in two generations's time, you would join again because it would take it that much time to realise it was a bad idea. britain could go back to just doing what it should be doing, looking at the nhs, so many other issues. greg, are you fascinated by this? were baffled? i am enjoying it. i this? were baffled? i am enjoying it. lam nervous this? were baffled? i am enjoying it. i am nervous about covering it because it is utterly unpredictable
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and the result of the next 72 hours, seven days, seven weeks is unknowable. parliament became much more important this week. two key votes in parliament were asserting its authority to shape the deal. the non—binding decision from the european court that gives parliament the right if it is confirmed to revoke article 50. my question for the constitutional scholars is, what happens parliament says we have made no progress, we revoke article 50, and the government decides not to do it. the revocation i think is a red herring, unfortunately. it would know the result of the referendum by parliament unilaterally and they are very few takers for that. almost any other course of action we could imagine after theresa may's deal is
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defeated would require an application for an extension of article 50, and that does require the eu to agree. it was relevant to the eu to agree. it was relevant to the degree that it was to another referendum to give parliament the ability to revoke article 50. or a general election. or a leadership election for the conservative party. i feel like that woman who said, not ain! i feel like that woman who said, not again! this is essentially an english problem. scotland voted the other way, northern ireland voted the other way, england and wales have an identity problem which they have an identity problem which they have to somehow address. have an identity problem which they have to somehow addressm have an identity problem which they have to somehow address. it is also a very big northern ireland problem.
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one of the interesting straws in the wind area one of the interesting straws in the wind are a couple of polls that suggest that people in northern ireland might actually preferred unity with ireland's ban a new deal brexit. northern ireland has got itself into a position whereby if voted to remain, is represented in parliament entirely by people who are hardline brexiteers and the people who would best represent the people who would best represent the people who would best represent the people who wanted to stay will take up people who wanted to stay will take up their seats in parliament. another well functioning political system! in the good friday agreement, that is the tipping point when it could reunite with the republic. a few have a majority of citizens in northern ireland saying we want to join the republic, citizens in northern ireland saying we want tojoin the republic, then that would be called for. another referendum! "let them drive less" had appeared to be emmanuel macron's initial response to the giletjaune, or yellow vest, protests which erupted across frances over his plan to increase fuel taxes. the president said he was doing his bit for the environment. "those who complain about higher fuel prices also demand action against air pollution because their children are sick".
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it did nothing to dispel his reputation for regal arrogance. after a weekend in which paris resonated to the sound of tear gas and stun grenades, his government suspended the fuel tax increase with mr macron's prime minister conceding, "this anger is rooted in a profound injustice." agnes, how do you look on the week's events ? agnes, how do you look on the week's eve nts ? we re agnes, how do you look on the week's events? were last weekend's protests and the response of the macron government, does that represent a turning point for his government? definitely. his last breath, really. strangely, we thought last yesterday to be the first test. we had three months of strikes. transport was impossible. the country was paralysed. the organisation was by
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the trade unions and the left and right parties, unlike what is going on at the moment. we thought, ok, he has done it. he is through. it is a different presidency, he can ride out the protests. this one, we did not see it coming at all. i was worried before the first day of action on the 17th of november, the first saturday, because there was something going on on social networks, the yellow vests. it is a revolt, not a movement yet. it is like in the 18805 when the trade unions were born out of revolt. you need some organisation, some delegation. some way of taking it forward. exactly. we haven't got that yet. that is why the situation is quite volatile and dangerous for french democracy, because we are talking about who are the yellow
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vests ? m e talking about who are the yellow vests? me know and we don't know. it iss vests? me know and we don't know. it is 5 million people who belong to the lower—middle—class, but socially, geographically or professionally, they are artisans, small shopkeepers, farmers, self—employed people. they all talk about macron having to resign, they have the head of macron rolling down the shone so lazy. macron has been in powerfor i8 the shone so lazy. macron has been in powerfor 18 months. he wasn't even born when the public policies that started the 30 years of gradual... how do you call it? the poison seeping through the french system. and responsible for this immense and very deep anger. at the moment it is a gap of one's chest moment, and in a french way, very
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violent. it is worrying because we are talking about people who have come to paris to actually kill the police force. we are used to the theatre politics but usually it is quite safe because there is an organisation behind it. there are people to deal with. exactly. the trade union stock to the police, the police stopped them. we love a good demonstration, but this is different to stop hence, the danger. there is a lot for people to be angry about. from the american perspective, fuel taxes of this kind would be unacceptable anyway. france's richest 1% controlled 20 plus percent of the country's wealth. so much for a revolution, 250 years ago. america is france's oldest ally, do you look at this and think, what on earth is going on? we are
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used to do is episodic out first sub islands in france caused by this inequality, but usually they are at a much smaller scale and they burn themselves out after a couple of days. this one seems completely... if developed so quickly, it seems really out of control at this point. what occurs to me is the conditions in spain, parts of italy, it is not like europe is going strong. will this show up in england, anger at brexit? where does the spread? it is ha rd brexit? where does the spread? it is hard tojudge. i don't see much of a comparison to the united states at this point, where the president doesn't believe in climate change. in terms of street protests of this kind, nothing you would be used to? no, we would need to go back to 1968 to see this in the united states. no, we would need to go back to 1968 to see this in the united statesm doesn't seem to be about climate
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policy. as agnes says, we have had 30 years of rising inequality and it seems to me the common thread in all these movements as we age inequality, rage at the lack of attention to those who have suffered from the global concentration of wealth. talking about the end of the world, we are talking about the end of the month. diesel taxes are in place all around the world. this is not necessarily attacks the poor. the fact that those who already felt under pressure precede the rich being let off and the poor are being hit is really rooted in something much deeper and more lasting. that is why withdrawing its... the irony is why withdrawing its... the irony is that there is this pressure
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advance, the rising inequality. the welfare system is generous. france isa welfare system is generous. france is a champion of welfare spending. 5796 is a champion of welfare spending. 57% of gdp is redistributed. the health system is superb. isn't there a classic problem of the long—term objectives of the president taking longer to come through than people's patients is likely to last. macron has done all kinds of things, lex ta ke has done all kinds of things, lex take the example of class sizes, he has significantly reduced that. that is supposed to help the educational standards ordinary people so they can aspire to take the newjobs which are likely to come up, rather than for continuously that they could go back to alljobs that are gone, because he doesn't believe they will exist, and they want. at they will exist, and they want. at the one level we always everyone
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politicians that the long—term plan for the long term, but such politicians are generally punished for not keeping their eye firmly on the short—term. one other small observation, always leave people's ours alone. it is astonishing the psychological attachment people have to the cars. as the president said, don't touch their cars, with the french people. the only thing when i was a school governor that would get the parents going was when you interfered with the parking. drop off and picking up, all of that. agnes, do you think macron has a grasp of how serious the situation is? absolutely. but the yellow vests, if you look at their demands, and they are as varied as they are big, but a french newspaper said, let's look at them. 50 demands going
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from leaving the european union, to leave the near two, having less taxes that were public services. they compared it to the french politician's political programme, and it corresponded to marine le pen's programmes. the political extremes. we thought france didn't have any populism, or at least on the side, and it is happening, it is happening. with fake news playing apart and russia today playing apart, when you describe the people taking part, the name pierre bouchard came to mind. as you know better than i do, it you really have been here before but maybe not so much on the streets. except,
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bouchard was at conformist. it was small shopkeepers. this is much wider. it is a bit of that, a bit of belong to read from the 1880s. a bit of the 19 34 extreme right leagues. i could go on how many hours do we have? not enough! not enough! another president, a different take on climate change. welcoming delegates to a global conference intended to draw up rules for curbing man's contribution to climate change in katowice, poland's head of state, andrzej duda, pointed to coal waiting to be extracted that could heat homes and feed industry for another 200 years. "it would be hard not to use them." it perfectly illustrates the special pleading by nations which were worth that always undermined attempts to draw up rules for this. how
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optimistic argue about this summit? i don't go together tremendous breakthrough from this. as far as poland and coal, it is odd to see poland and coal, it is odd to see poland clinging to that last had a soviet style economy, when i'm sure there would like to think of themselves as another country now. a lot of people say 50 years, if you are lucky. this is really about the logy are lucky. this is really about the mythology of mining, i think, although the number of miners itself has been vastly reduced in the last few years. it is a bit like fishing, where the numbers are small, but there is an emotional attachment. there is. call‘s role in poland as energy is important. the coal—fired power stations are old, most of the minds barely break even or run a deficit. poland has to import coal
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to run its power stations. far be better to make—believe night and craig withjobs in due energies. there is a mythologicalfear of craig withjobs in due energies. there is a mythological fear of very embedded union power. the ds is effectively now disavowed the whole process , effectively now disavowed the whole process, said the paris agreement three years ago is not my wedded to. right. call resonate in the us emotionally. call and called nine votes, the symbolic value of it, will play an important role in the 2020 election. trump managed to win because he convinced 200,000 or so people in the midwest that his industrial policy, his ability to bring back some of these called jobs that had been lost was a reason to vote for him. that will be tested in
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four years and it could well be that same mythological 200,000 or so people decide next election. call is important and the idea of bringing it back, in the us, is not credible. it doesn't have a future. the irony of trump is my position, on the one hand he is in the knock—down, dry guides site with china over who owns the future. in the other hand, he is trying to prop up 19th—century technology which everybody knows is moribund. it will be done by robots anyway. what is john's opinion on this having on china? it takes the pressure wrath. you have a lot of vested interest in process trouble in china. china has bet its future on future technologies, low carbon technologies. they know what the risks are. the threat of climate change, but also the next iteration
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of the chinese economy is to move up that value chain. it is a huge opportunity for them. this will process is meant to be about moving beyond a voluntary status, like in indonesia, but that is vague about how you implied. nationalism is on the rise. supposedly that mitigate against the sort of agreements? nationalism and a location almost of the masculine past in things like mining. the same applies to fishing. this notion of these hard status jobs, rugged people have done them over the years, it gives them a place in society. there is a degree of truth in that. in the end, the question was whether you would be prepared to pay the cost in the immediate term to prepare for the
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long—term. this is the second time this thing has come up on this programme. climate change has that in spades. you know that you have got to do for the future of humanity and for our grandchildren except. to decide that you do not know it is a real decision. in the end, very few politicians will take the decision not to know it. you really have to be perverse. even in the states, quite a number of states governors and so on have wanted to welcome in that the technology and want to be pa rt that the technology and want to be part of it. it is happening on a local or city region. to the indonesians know that in a way that solves their current problems? that is always the tricky bit. if advanced countries, developed economies can do it and said they are doing it, it is harder in
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developing countries, but they are 60% or something of the current climate changing problem is coming from the developing world. climate changing problem is coming from the developing worldm climate changing problem is coming from the developing world. it is also having the people on board. that is what you are seeing in france. you must make the transition fairfor france. you must make the transition fair for everyone. france. you must make the transition fairfor everyone. there france. you must make the transition fair for everyone. there was this eco—tax adopted before when macron was elected. if you look at the revenues, only fourth of the money was going to be reinvested in helping to adjust. we have the a nswer helping to adjust. we have the answer now, it should be more! we should help people who rely on their ca rs should help people who rely on their cars to go about their day, to switch to electric cars with real incentives. make it so that everybody... this is a wicked problem because the consequences of
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in the future and the action needs to be now. we have 12 years to bend back her. the energy that the obama administration put into the paris agreement and the diplomatic corps did a brilliant job. agreement and the diplomatic corps did a brilliantjob. none of these things applied in poland so it'll be slower and trickier. i don't get will go backwards at this point, just will go forwards fast enough. that's dateline london. thank you forjoining us. i'll be back next week, unless theresa may decides to appoint me ambassador to the un, of course. goodbye. hello. showers become more abundant
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this afternoon and the winter in strong, particularly in parts of england and wales. tomorrow, drier, sunnier, but also a good deal colder. the weather is being driven by low pressure to the north—east of us by low pressure to the north—east of us today. north—west winds which will ease a tad for a time, but these weather fronts will bring the brain across northern ireland, wales, south—west england and then the rest of england into southern scotland. some lengthier bursts here and there but some spells of sun chang between the showers. some parts of central scotland will stay dry and sunny all afternoon. 50 mile an hour gusts are still possible further south and they will pick up more into tonight. that will temper of the day, even though the temperatures are higher degree or two up on yesterday. enter tonight, the showers in northern scotland. showers and southern scotland and northern ireland will fear through the night. they will continue across
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england and wales. southern and western coasts could see winds may be up to 70 miles an hour at times, that could cause a few issues. it stops the temperatures from falling here, but a cold start further north. this cold fronts will push its way southwards. clearing away the strongest of the winds, but opening the door to a northerly airflow. wheels, central, southern england on sunday, showers initially, then the sun general, it. a few wintry showers in northern scotland. most of you will spend the day predominantly dry. it will feel chilly, even the winds are lighter than today as they are coming in from a more north for north—westerly direction. it will be cold tonight sunday into monday. temperatures will below freezing in scotland in
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parts of northern england. cold into monday morning's commute in eastern england. further west, the error not as cold. into next week, a battle between the milder, from the atlantic, cold error in the east. the mild error could wind, but we will keep you updated. this is bbc news. the headlines at 12: police in new zealand are to charge a 26—year—old man with the murder of british backpacker grace millane who went missing in auckland last week sadly the evidence we have gathered to this point has established that this is a homicide. police fire tear gas on the streets of paris as anti—government protestors clash with officers in a fourth weekend of demonstrations. this is the scene live in paris, where ministers say the "yellow vest" movement opposed to fuel tax rises has been hijacked by "ultra—violent" protesters.
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we will talk to our correspondent live in the next few minutes. the work and pensions secretary, amber rudd, openly backs a plan b if mps reject theresa may's brexit deal.
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