tv The Week in Parliament BBC News December 9, 2018 2:30pm-3:01pm GMT
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hello there and welcome to the week in parliament. with the crucial vote on her eu withdrawal deal looming theresa may appeals to mps to support her plan. i ask you to back it in the best interest of our constituents and our country. and with my whole heart i commend this motion to the house. but labour is clear they will not accept the deal. the prime minister has seen these negotiations only as an exercise in the internal management of the conservative party. also on this programme, jeremy corbyn and theresa may clash over the state of the welfare state, and peers reckon the public will be angry if they don't get a vote on theresa may's brexit deal. why did you deny me the chance to become familiar with those facts and then express my opinion again? why did you take that from me and deny it to me? but first it was a another week of drama at westminster. the ayes to the right, 307. the noes to left 311.
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a week of dismay for ministers. the ayes to the right 311. the noes to the left 293. and a week of defeat for the government. the ayes to the right 321. the noes to the left 299. so the ayes have it, the ayes have it. on tuesday in the space ofjust over an hour, theresa may suffered three defeats in the commons. the first two came as mps debated and then agreed a labour move accusing ministers of in contempt or frustrating parliament by failing to publish in full the legal opinion on the brexit deal. an snp mp made clear why the opposition would not be placated by the version the government had given them instead. they're placing themselves above parliament. in contempt of parliament. as for the legal position document published yesterday that was going to fix it all,
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that could not be more patronizing if they had pictures to colour in and wee join—the—dots puzzles every so often just keep us interested. then just moments before theresa may was to speak come the third defeat, as a cross—party group of mps spearheaded by the conservative former attorney general dominic grieve succeeded in giving the commons the right to say what should happen next if her brexit deal is voted down on tuesday. it is contrary to all sensible practice and, i have to say, slightly disrespectful of the role of this house that we should end up with a situation in which we have unamendable motions for consideration at a time when parliament ought to be fully focused on trying to find means of resolving outstanding issues. and he had support for the labour mp who chairs the brexit committee. it is essential that the house of commons has the opportunity
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if the deal is voted down next tuesday to give itself a voice to express a view about what happens next, and what the right honourable and learned gentleman's ammendment does is to remove the obstacle to that, and i hope the whole of the house votes for it. and, sure enough, the government was defeated by 22 votes. the third defeat for the government in just one day. it all made for an uncomfortable backdrop for the prime minister who less than one minute later got up to make one of the most crucial speeches of her career, as she tried to persuade mps to back her deal in the vote on tuesday. to all sides of the debate, to every member in every party, i say that this deal deserves your support for what it achieves for all of our people and our whole united kingdom. one union of foreign nations, now and in the future, and this is a debate about our future. it's not about whether we could have taken a different road in the past but which road we should take from here.
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if we put aside our differences and remember what unites us, if we broker an honourable compromise in the interest, not of ourselves, but of those who were sent here to serve. if we come together to do our duty for our constituents they will pass the test that history has set for us today. it's not easy when the passions run so deep, but looking around this chamber i know we can meet this moment. so i promise you today, this is the very best deal for the british people and ask you to back it in the best interest of our constituents and our country. and with my whole heart i commend this motion to the house. the prime minister has seen these negotiations only as an exercise in the internal management of the conservative party, and that did not work out very well at all. when the two previous brexit secretaries who theoretically at least led the negotiations, well, they did, theoretically,
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say that they cannot support the deal how can she expect anyone else in this house or in this country to have faith in a deal that has been rejected by two of the people that were involved in negotiation of it? throughout the entire negotiating period the uk government have treated scotland with contempt. scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain but the will of the scottish people means nothing. absolutely nothing to this prime minister. instead of engaging meaningfully with scotland during this critical time, the prime minister chose last—minute photo calls and stage—managed events in scotland. all smoke and mirrors to dress up the fact that her government cannot care less about scotland and we can see it tonight. to enter into this arrangement that has been put forward and then the backstop divisions means we enter a twilight world where the eu is given unprecedented powers of
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the uk, certainly in the transition period, and massive leverage in the negotiations on the future trade relationship, and we have to rely on the goodwill of others to let us ever leave these arrangements. so under these terms, in my view, the uk's future as a strong and independent nations standing together is in realjeopardy. the brutal truth is that the country is bitterly divided and it will be bitterly divided if we leave under the terms that the government has negotiated, and will be entering into a set of conditions in which the economy will deteriorate relative to what it would been in the european union, the younger generation coming through will bear the brunt of the costs, most of whom voted to remain in the european union, an estimated 80% of 18—year—olds wishes to remain, there will be
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great bitterness and resentment about what the older generation has imposed on them. theis issue will not go away. when the debate went over to the back benches the divisions within parties and across the commins became all too clear. i really can't believe that there's a single member of this house who sincerely believes that this deal we have before us is a good deal. i sincerely believe it. i have got no stake in this government anymore but i have thinking is the right thing to do. the right honourable member was a senior member of vote leave, he was foreign secretary for two years. we are in this mess because of him. does he take no responsibility? i was not able to continue to support this process precisely for that reason. the deal on offer, as the prime minister says, the only deal on offer, does not recover our sovereignty.
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it leaves us rule takers from the european union without any voice in shaping those rules. the former universities minister spoke for the first time since his resignation. voting for this withdrawal agreement, given the public the impression that this is the best compromise and there are no problems further down the line, this is brexit done, when they wake up and see that britain has been hobbled and crippled in the negotiations, that would also disappoint voters and would also be corrosive of our politics. theresa may did have backing from some, one conservative praised her courage and dogged pursuit of a deal. i'm sure there are many right honourable members and honourable members on both sides of this house that remember lewis carroll's wonderful poem, the hunting of the snark, which includes the following lines which i believe are appropriate. "the principal failing occurred in the sailing,
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and the bellman, perplexed and distressed, said he had hoped, at least, when the wind blew due east, that the ship would not travel due west!" mr speaker, to coin a phrase from a greater, kinder and more resolute period in our national life, come, let us go forward together and settle this now. the lords also began a debate in the eu withdrawal deal and our proposed relationship with the eu. one of the early speakers was the archbishop of canterbury, who warned that the uk could drift into no deal. there is a significant danger of adverse economic effects with a fall in government revenue, rise in unemployment and greater poverty. some argue that that is only going to be temporary, but we need to remember that for those in poverty, temporary is an eternity. no deal is completely unacceptable, the may deal is completely unacceptable.
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and when people turn around and say, look, the british public are weary of brexit, theyjust want it over, that might be true for this minute, but i tell youm when they face the consequences of brexit and see the impact on their lives, that will be forgotten in a flash. and there will be huge anger and they will turn to people in this house and the other and say, when the facts were on the table why did you deny me the chance to become familiar with those facts and then express my opinion again? why did you take that from me and deny it to me? i am concerned as to what might happen if we had a second referendum. what could the result be? if the results were to be 52—48 remain, would the leavers be content? if a result is the same as last time, on what grounds are we remaining? this deal or another deal? and if we have got three questions on the ballot paper what happens if all are rejected?
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the big vote is due on tuesday night at 7pm. earlier i spoke to sir david beamish, a former clerk of the parliament. one of the top experts on procedure. i began by asking him about the significance of that dominic grieve amendment, the third of those defeats suffered by theresa may, which gives mps more say if the eu withdrawal deal is voted down on tuesday. this allows amendments to be tabled, which means that the members of the house of commons will have the opportunity to put alternative proposals and have them voted on which, would not have been the case without that amendment. so this really could be an example apartment taking back control to some extent. i would say so, yes.
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you have be careful that the work control, as parliament can't be so to speak, in the driving seat holding the steering wheel, but it can be holding the government to account and it'll be much better able to do that with the amendment having been agreed to. there has been endless chatter about how the numbers will stack up and whether the government will win or lose. do you think the government might decide to go down the line of actually pulling the vote altogether? i see discussion of that, but it seems to be quite difficult to do. the debate has begun and they would have to have an alternative plan for not going ahead with and i cannot see what the might look like. so if you are tuning on tuesday night at seven o'clock, how are you going to know what's going on? let's start by talking about the amendments — who decides which amendments are voted on. mr speaker can select those amendments, it will not happen until the last day. at least half a dozen amendments have been tabled, one by mr corbyn, another by hillary benn, who chairs the select committee on exiting the european
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union. i imagine both of those will be selected. just to make life more confusing for those viewing, those amendments are taken before the main motion, so the house first decides if it wants to amend the motion and then votes on the main motion, either amended or unamended. there will be several votes, and if you are watching these votes, what should you be looking out for to give a clue of what is going on? again, it is quite hard for the outsider. at the end, the tellers on each side appoint two members to count the votes, one counts their own votes and the other goes into the other lobbied to count the opposing votes, so one from each side in each lobby. and they come back in and one of the tellers for the winning side reads out the numbers. so if you recognise the people concerned you can get a clue
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and obviously the members can when one of the tellers step forward to read out the score. there will be lots of cheering and waving of order papers before get the actual numbers. indeed. now, if theresa may loses there are lots of different options of what could happen next. are there parliamentary constraints on what she can do after that vote result? the immediate constraint is that she has to present within 21 days a statement of what the government are going to do next in relation to the eu withdrawal. politically, yes, all sorts of things could happen and i think that the labour opposition have talked about tabling a motion of no—confidence in the government and traditionally time should be found for such a motion to be debated. in terms of options from the government side, it is hard to see what else they could do
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unless she wants to dissolve parliament herself, but that might be tricky given that the reason she lost would be not all memebers of her own from party were aligned with her own point of view, so she has probably not got that many options. we have been talking about the commons, and all eyes have really been on the commons in the last few days, but there has been a parallel debate going on in the house of lords. now, it's slightly different, it's not as significant for the government, depending on how the lords votes. but do you think theresa may really does need to pay attention to what's been going on in the lords? yes, she does need to pay attention more because in the whole brexit process there has been quite a significant role for the lords and indeed in opening the debate, the leader of the house of lords recalled there have been 68 reports since the referendum on elements of brexit and many hours spent debating and amending the eu withdrawal bill and the lords has been very involved in all this, but everybody in the lords accepts the meaningful vote itself is a matter
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for the elected house. if you do want someone to explain what's going while those votes are being held, tune into bbc parliament on tuesday. there will be full coverage of the proceedings in the commons plus live analysis of any and every vote from our parliamentary correspondent mark darcy. now, let's take a look at some other news from around westminster in brief. at prime minister's questions, the labour leader jeremy corbyn used his six questions not to ask may about defeat inflicted on her government on tuessay or about the impending brexit vote, instead he raised changes to the welfare system. child poverty is rising, homelessness rising! destitution writing! household debt rising! when will the prime minister turn her warm words into action? end the benefit freeze, repeal the bedroom tax,
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scrap the two—child cap, and halt the roll—out of universal credit. what do we see under this government, the economy is growing, employment is rising, investment is up, we are giving the nhs the biggest single cash boost in its history, taxes are being cut and wages are rising, labour would destroy all that. it's this conservative government that is building up a brighter future for our country. the former foreign secretary borisjohnson has made a full and unreserved apology to mps for failing to declare more than £52,000 in income. he was ordered to apologise by the committee on standards over his late declaration of book royalty payments. i fully accept the delay was a breach of the house's rules and i'm grateful to the committee for recognising that there was no intention to mislead the house and that i've been completely transparent,
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i therefore offer the house of full and unreserved apology. labour peers have joined mps in calling on the transport secretary to take his share of the suffered by rail travelers earlier this year. the transport committee said he should have done more to prevent the problems. one peer spotted another ommission. some of the railway companies appear to have removed the word cancelation from their vocabulary. so you arrive at the station for a train, look at the board, and discover it is no more. it never existed. it is not there. an mp called for tighter regulation of shiha lounges, where tobacco is mixed with other burned and pass—through water before being inhaled. it's estimated it is like
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smoking the equivalent 100 cigarettes, the mp behind the debate said local communities could face noise, anti—social behavior and crime. they both gave their verdicts on theresa may brexit due in the week, let us hear from bbc scotland political editor brian taylor. let's scotland's direct impact upon brexit, whereby they signal the determination to leave the european union. it's a process of brexit. the question arises whether the uk alone can reverse the implementation of article 50 or whether that would require the consent of all the other european union countries. a group of scottish —— scottish politicians decided to put that to the test but of course a significant legal backing, djs started in the scottish court and found its way to the european court ofjustice who are due to give up their ruling on monday. the baby fought the meaningful vote in the house of commons. the general has already
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said, yes, article 50 can be reversed unilaterally by the uk and it is expected to be the outcome on monday. the prime minister has already said she has no intention of reversing article 50 however she may not be entirely in charge of events and at very least it clarifies the potential outcome were there to be a second further referendum on brexit which was a topic raised in this very parliament this week when msps we re very parliament this week when msps were debating the brexit deal advanced by the prime minister, the liberal democrat advocating a second vote, the snp also in favour of that. the ultimate aim is to reverse it entirely and truly made in the eu. labour prefer a general election, bringing down the conservative government. no obvious common ground for the parties who oppose the conservatives but they certainly opposed to the deal of the
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conservatives and opposed to any concept of a briton living without a deal. that was the outcome by 92 votes to nine, although the conservatives voting against. i was struck by a throwaway line from adam tomkins, constitutional affairs spokesperson for the conservatives who said the only deal but was seriously able to be contemplated was the prime minister's deal or something very close to it was suggested to me that the tories are very definitely looking for ways to twea k very definitely looking for ways to tweak their approach to this, perhaps the idea of giving the house of commons a greater role with the question of the backstop, anything that might persuade their decidedly relu cta nt that might persuade their decidedly reluctant backbenchers. there was further bad news for the prime minister from further bad news for the prime ministerfrom the debate further bad news for the prime minister from the debate from wales. i had the debate here in the welsh assembly on theresa may's brexit deal, the welsh conservatives called
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the symbolic discussion a pantomime. by the symbolic discussion a pantomime. by the end of play it had turned into a bit of a farce for the welsh government. for months the welsh first minister carwyn jones government. for months the welsh first minister carwynjones said it was important for the assembly to set a clear statement of its position ahead of the meaningful vote in the house of commons. it came as a bit of a surprise when the welsh government tabled a motion that did not explicitly reject or accept theresa may's brexit deal. much to the annoyance of plaid cymru and the pro—eu campaigners. as well as discussing the substantive details of the uk and eu agreement there was also discussion as to how there was also discussion as to how the welsh government tables such a dog's breakfast of emotion. i'm told it was clear and first drafted and became less clear after a special meeting and less clear again after the welsh labour group got its hands on the motion. in a tacit admission it have messed things up in terms of
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this debate to welsh labour group and welsh government ended up backing the plaid cymru amendment to the debate that called on the uk government to continue with membership of the eu's single market and customs union, called for an extension of the article 15 negotiating process and by 36 votes to 14, negotiating process and by 36 votes to 1a, the welsh assembly explicitly rejected theresa may's brexit deal. mark drakeford rejected theresa may's brexit deal. mark dra keford has rejected theresa may's brexit deal. mark drakeford has been named as the new leader of welsh labour and is set to become the next first minister of wheels. mr bickford, currently finance secretary, won the leadership election to succeed ca rwyn leadership election to succeed carwyn jones —— leadership election to succeed carwynjones —— mr drake ford. let's have a look at some of the other stories making the political news. conservative mp told mps that at one dinner party he went through, if a guest mentioned the word brexit, they had to drink from as
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punishment. while i would love back to be a case here i suspect it will not occur. labour peer master osborne, mother of mp kate, joins the lords, bringing the total in the house to 793 and counting. if you were wondering about how to do it the perfect flounce, watch the leader of the house of commons andrea leadsom as she knows exactly what to do. it's something like that. my it's something like that. my ashley reassures the committee he is in fact a mere mortal. before anybody said that, i'm not comparing myself to god. the debate going on until the early hours of the morning did not dampen the spirits of ministers who were still able to crack some jokes at
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each other‘s expense. the first brexit sector last 24 months, the second five months, so i'm hoping that the new occupant of the post can at least make it through to questions on thursday. that's it from me for now butjoin keith mcdougall on bbc parliament on monday night at 11pm for the start of what promises to be a truly historic week at westminster. for me, goodbye. good afternoon. sunday brought some sharp showers but it also brought
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lots of sunshine. hopefully you were able to enjoy some of that, great afternoons here because sunshine will become increasingly in short supply moving further into the week. ona supply moving further into the week. on a positive note, the winds will be lighterfor the on a positive note, the winds will be lighter for the first couple of days, largely dry picture. from the mid week and was lots of uncertainty in the forecast. right here it is fairly quiet, and on into monday, showers for northern ireland and wales and the midlands through this evening and north—west england. some continuing through the mountains of scotland. elsewhere, clear skies continuing through the mountains of scotland. elsewhere, clearskies and light winds, temperatures falling away suddenly across scotland, northern england, east —— east angler will see widespread frost. more mild to the south and west. monday starts on the whole with a
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lot of fine weather and lots of sunshine but towards the west and area of low pressure trying to move in and that will bring high cloud initially to the west and that will thicken and we could get some drizzle for northern ireland and scotla nd drizzle for northern ireland and scotland and wales and south—west england and eastern counties get the best of the brightness. that temperature is giving you some of the idea of what is going on across the idea of what is going on across the country. high pressure in the east, in the western low—pressure trying to squeeze in bringing in more mild air but they will also bring in these fronts and more windy weather and that is the battle we are up against in trying to get the forecast rate for the week ahead. tuesday looks like the high blocking anything coming in from the atlantic, mainly keeping us dry. cloud for central and eastern areas and keeping temperatures down with
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the continental air. as for the output, at the moment it looks high pressure may be the favoured scenario but thursday and friday it is all to play for, so do stay tuned. this is bbc news, i'm shaun ley. the headlines at three. no delay to the vote — downing street insists tuesday's crucial commons vote will go ahead and the prime minster warns of ‘uncharted waters' if her deal is rejected. the brexit secretary urges mps to back the plan. the vote is going ahead and that's because it is a good deal, it's the only deal and it's important we don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. but leading brexiteer boris johnson insists the uk can negotiate a better settlement with the eu. we have to change it. it's a relatively simple job to do, we can have a withdrawal agreement that does not contain the backstop. we can do much, much better than this. police in new zealand investigating the murder of british backpacker grace millane say
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