it's running it, they own the eu, so it's nothing against germans, the good people and running great country, i'm not criticise them best resides an image is a statement of fact the point is we are in a very, very difficult position where the government of the day cannot get policy through. but on the other hand, could get the policy group if there was a bit of blacks back in brussels or berlin as it should be. it that blacks —— flex, they'll never going to do it him public it'll be done behind the scenes. why did she bother going back to brussels today when everyone said you're not going to get anything out of them as clarification.” you're not going to get anything out of them as clarification. i think she's gotten the wrong one from the two which was on secretary, she effectively opted out of a bunch of security and justice measure didn't wa nt security and justice measure didn't want adopted back in for the ones

she did want. she thinks she can do the same when you're negotiating exit. now, of course the difference is not when you're in the eu everything goes down to the wire, there's a lot of panic because everyone has got a veto, but if you are leading of course you are surrendering your veto which means the way negotiations worker does not work for you, it changes and requires different strategy and she basically is trying to do what she did successfully is on secretary, and it's not working. i agree with that, i really do think that's a good analysis of the way that this negotiation has been conducted by brin, and it's not how the eu are conducting this negotiation. but i heard tonight, think of the austrian prime minister, this was in the independent. and it's that chancellor say we are ready to accommodate theresa may it's not about pushing maximum position about finding a provision that the best possible for both sides and i heard them on the radio earlier on this evening and he was saying look, we

will never call this the idea that thing that get —— getting evren crosses eu says you can go in the backstop, and we will never use that it's not —— it's our insurance policy but they're saying give it up. the great way of making sure it happens, you just say you're not going to get you 39 billion until we have gone because that is what we are paying for to leave. so until we leave, you're not getting a penny pal and leave, you're not getting a penny paland did leave, you're not getting a penny pal and did you did that, it would concentrate the french president mind is saying i know what we will do we will not let you go into you give us yourfishing do we will not let you go into you give us your fishing and do we will not let you go into you give us yourfishing and gibraltar with spain and it'll seton lake concentrate the mind so if i was saying this as theresa may, i would saying this as theresa may, i would say we will just saying this as theresa may, i would say we willjust do that and leave it but you're not getting it been until we are gone. that would really change the dynamic. how successful do think would be?” change the dynamic. how successful do think would be? i think it would be largely unsuccessful because we

need a transition period because we have not readied ourselves to leave before article 50, and the sort of outstanding liabilities which is a 39 billion is a money we would have paid if we were not leaving, we are still going to be a member of the eu re ntal still going to be a member of the eu rental the end of the 2020 budget period anyway. that's when this transition period and, so the money she's negotiating with because of the way she's approached the negotiations from the beginning, it's not money that the uk is not planning to spend even above or you get into whether or not backstop is triggered what the future relationship with light because brethren the beginning her approach to reading has been based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is you lose when you leave out what to do as you gain as a third country. interestingly, iwas very pleased to have a private hour with barnier some months ago, and found a very imported —— informative and polite, but i came in and he said it's been useful and i said yes because i've learned that we are

trying to sell you a pound of apples in your try to send —— sell me a pound of pairs, it's this, this none of this it's this, we are actually negotiating in a different way in a different environment for different ends. because we want different things. that spot on. let's stay with us for a second because you wrote your column looking different on the front page i must say. it's beena hard on the front page i must say. it's been a hard three years. your hair is grown. you might think the wind cut the chance of a no brexit you be wrong but less than. essentially what i am saying this he gives that we know theresa may is her way of negotiating is not trying to meet people half way whether it's the eu or parliament or when they were in coalition, to go i'm going to outlast in and were you, what she is trying to do is push the negotiating time back and back until she could basically say to her mps, she bangs

the deal she is negotiating is what people voted for. the end of free movement, not very much else to change, more money for the movement, not very much else to change, more money forthe nhs movement, not very much else to change, more money for the nhs in particular perk —— public services in general she thinks is the right deal, she does not want to change it, but what she wants to have a situation where we get to the cliff and mps go i guess i better vote for your deal. but the problem is because no one wants no deal, everyone assumes someone else will do something to prevent no deal. everyone assumes someone else will do something to prevent no deallj have a real problem with you, i'm agreeing with you far too much. it's quite unusual. i actually agree with that and i think for instance, the leadership challenge lousy timing. very good for theresa may, allows the four... is just taking the lever away, i think we are looking at this through a telescope from britain, don't blame them for that, but

actually. if you were there tonight where they make mercedes or bmws or somewhere they look at the end of thousands of redundancies in this place is because where the huge market for german manufacturing goods, they don't want no deal. can i sit on the bbc and say that? on that basis, there is an impetus for them to do something as well and i do think different people come in and needing to everybody else you are right. we will look at that later, let's move onto the metro. rough sleepers rock—a—bye i20% 20,000 people having nowhere to go for christmas. it's a blight visited? it's a scar on the conscious of the country that scares and unnerves people in every city ce ntre and unnerves people in every city centre when you're coming into here on the way to westminster every morning you see people sleeping on

the streets. it's the inevitable consequence of a decision to manage public finances by devolving the cuts onto local councils, what do they do they do? date para back the things they don't have response ability to do, and things that people don't vote. what you end up with is lots of people sleeping rough and it scares people. with is lots of people sleeping rough and it scares peoplelj with is lots of people sleeping rough and it scares people. i made a speech in birmingham when i was a lawyer and by about 20 years ago not when i was tbi, and i said business has to take a whole society with that it'll be seen to succeed, it has to be social inclusive in the way goes about creating wealth and that does not mean it does, it seems to be. to me this is absolute evidence of where the wealth crisis and society could be doing so much more to get the p block the streets. it's not just more to get the p block the streets. it's notjust writing a check, its inspiration, the time, idea so many of these people don't want to go living in hostels, so it's not all money, it's about a way of life and

trying to get these people to have some perspective self—esteem victim of drugs and booze or whatever it is. i'm sure there are businesses watching this tonight thing we do our bit, but i do believe this is got to come from voluntary action and not leading it to local authorities because frankly, they have not got the money. this talk about that now, leading us nicely to council tax rises, two different ta kes council tax rises, two different takes on this story, the daily telegraph saying an extra billion pounds in police binding paid for with the council tax rise, popular with the council tax rise, popular with lots of people, the idea about whether they want to pay is another matter. this is the thing, understandably after eight years of public spending cuts people are tired of cuts, i don't think it's necessarily the same as them being ready to pay more tax it's interesting the one tax that's gone up interesting the one tax that's gone up underthe interesting the one tax that's gone up under the government is council tax, that's the most unpopular form of tax and they're trying to do it again and pay for policing the hope is obviously because police are very popular and that shake that up with

it, you can see from the very critical headline that it's not sugaring the pillow, people are going to notice it, council tax is not like extra penny on your income tax, it something you have to actively pay out so people feel it. the council tax bombshell is the headline, ten days before christmas families facing the shock of inflation busting rises taking bills to average of £1700. is interesting, this is a paper review, and that's a headline that has nothing to do a christmas whatsoever. it's actually aat christmas whatsoever. it's actually a at all it happens in april it's going to happen, and in also today it'll happen in april, so christmas is the relevant it's nothing to do a christmas it's all to do with april. but it's an interesting dynamic in british society, royjenkins went to the trouble with the braves is they wa nt the trouble with the braves is they want american—style taxation with european—style public services. it's a lwa ys european—style public services. it's always been a problem. i would not say it's just about who pays for the condition for police, if the fact

that the public have got to understand, you know more coppers are on the street less street crime. if you have policing thing i'm not coming to investigate the burglar because that a lot of people to do it, but were people and stations. i'm sure somebody understands someone i'm sure somebody understands someone has to pay for that, and if that local authority or do you put up that local authority or do you put up income tax? it's similar with the nhs people want to see a sort of strong well—funded nhs, but not eve ryo ne strong well—funded nhs, but not everyone wants to pay extra for it. on the nhs there is rising public support for the idea of a taxing going up with you mean taxes on yourself in the last chance to raise it with denis healey back in 78, so we had a long period in this country of being a denial of the need to have well—funded public services. it's difficult, where is fast becoming nhs with a country attached. it's really very difficult to get a ring fenced different think someone somewhere to get a ring fenced different think someone somewhere will get no money at all, and please i'm sure you can make the connection with the police

link they have with nhs. that's it for the papers for this hour. don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. it's all there for you — 7 days a week at bbc.couk forward slash papers — and if you miss the programme any evening you can watch it later on bbc iplayer. thank you to my guests lord digbyjones, and stephen bush. we'll all be back for a longer look at the papers at 11:30, but for the moment, goodbye. good evening, it is turning chilly out there, temperatures have gone below minus four degrees, across some parts of this outcome as the go to the rest of tonight we will see quite a were right —— widespread frost with clear starry skies overhead, and few exceptions though, western areas under the strap of cloud and patchy rain won't get as cold, also close to eastern scotland

we re cold, also close to eastern scotland were not as cold because of more cloud in peppering of showers in between widespread frost, these are the town and city temperatures in the town and city temperatures in the countryside a little bit lower than that, we get into tomorrow and for many, is a fine start with spells of sunshine. always more cloud across more than —— northern ireland and farther south of england bit of rain here, also more cloud than eastern regions, maybe the odd shower. could even be wintry, temperature wise for — 7 degrees not as windy as windy yesterday, friday night the day ends on a quiet note for many and a cold note still, the cold airand for many and a cold note still, the cold air and place. however look at the wage of mild air in the atlantic, this is just the wage of mild air in the atlantic, this isjust the the wage of mild air in the atlantic, this is just the first sign of quite a big change, mild are tied up with weather friends which will start to slide in from the southwest as you go there friday night and into saturday, obviously we will see some rain and strong winds, but also those frontal systems winds, but also those frontal syste ms ru n winds, but also those frontal systems run into cold air, there is likely to be some snow. this is the sort of weather recipe that could

cause a travel disruptions, stay tuned to the local radio station particularly get travel plans on saturday because just about anywhere you could see little bit of snow for a time, towards the south and west, that's no likely to turn back to ran quickly babar high ground of northern ireland and england, scotla nd northern ireland and england, scotland some significant snow is expected, 12 degrees in plymouth, mother are working in just 2 degrees in newcastle. when you factor the strength of the southeast when it'll peel bitterly cold, across the eastern region. maybe minus five degrees, and across colin particularly not only over the hills and mountains even at lower levels we could see enough snow to cause disruption coupled with a strong wind, blizzard conditions are possible. i sunday, the worst of the web is slightly north, and we get into western winds, slightly milder air pushing and from the west and not as cold on sunday. there's a mix of sunshine and showers as well. this is bbc news. i'm martine croxall.

the headlines: theresa may tells her fellow eu leaders she believes a route can be found for her brexit deal to be approved by the house of commons. here is the scene in brussels as donald tusk and jean—claude juncker hold a joint news conference. ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this press co nfe re nce and gentlemen, and welcome to this press conference following the european council in both its information, article 50 on brexit. donald tusk takes the floor. good evening. i will start with brexit. today prime minister may informed the leaders about the difficulties with the ratifying the