hello, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire... it is friday at last! coming up today. a 49—year—old woman with learning disabilities has died after having all her teeth removed. the nhs trust involved in worcesterhas been criticised for its "drastic" full extractions from other vulnerable patients. we'll bring you the story and talk live to mencap before 11. european leaders say they won't renegotiate theresea may's brexit deal — and have called on the prime minister to be clearer about what changes she wants to the northern ireland backstop. the union stands by this agreement and intends to proceed with its certification. it is not open for renegotiation. 18 months exactly since the grenfell tower fire — which killed 72 people — survivors release a video with stormzy — calling for more to be done to protect others who live in tower blocks with cladding. 72 people died in central london.

change must come. for ever in our hearts. forever in our hearts. forever in our hearts. never forget grenfell. we'll talk to karim mussilhy — whose uncle died in the fire. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. obviously, we will talk about the strictly final later after 10:30am, will it be ashley, joe, faye or stacey? will it be ashley, joe, faye or sta cey 7 let will it be ashley, joe, faye or stacey? let me know who you want to win! do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live. this feels like relief after an

intense political week. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. asummary of a summary of today's news now. the president of the european commission, jean—claude juncker, has called on the uk to set out more clearly what it wants on brexit. theresa may spoke to eu leaders in brussels last night and asked for assurances, to help her get the withdrawal agreement through parliament. but her fellow leaders say there'll be no renegotiation. the prime minister is holding more talks at the summit this morning — and her cabinet colleagues remain optimistic despite criticisim from europe. the conclusions that came out of this european summit overnight were a very welcome statement that i think responded to the fears expressed in the house of commons last week. a lot of mps said, "look, we think the eu just wants to trap "us in this backstop." the eu said last night, "we don't want the backstop ever used, "none of us want it used. "if it is used, we only want it for as short a time as possible,

"and we are committed, all of us, to working at speed "to get the trade deal with the uk done so that we never have to use "the backstop or it's only there for a short time if it ever "has to be made operational." police in france are investigating whether the man suspected of opening fire at a christmas market in strasbourg had supporters who helped him hide for two days. cherif chekatt was killed by officers on a street in the city, yesterday. three people died and 12 others were wounded in the attack on the market — on tuesday night. a five—week—old baby who was attacked by two dogs near peterborough last month, has died. reuben mcnulty was seriously injured after the incident in yaxley. a 28—year—old woman and a 31—year—old man who were arrested on suspicion of child neglect have been released under investigation. half of uk homes could get faster broadband with a single call to their provider, according to the telecoms regulator ofcom. new figures also show that one in seven households could get a faster service for the same, or even less money than they pay at the moment. ofcom is launching a new website to help consumers find better deals.

adverts which show a woman being unable to park a car or a man struggling to change a nappy are to be banned from next year. under a new rule drawn up by regulators, ads must not include gender stereotypes which are likely to cause harm or serious offence. this would also include any depiction of girls being less academic than boys. a bill to legalise abortion in the republic of ireland has been approved by both houses of parliament. the prime minister, leo varadkar, said its passage — after a lengthy debate in the upper house — was a historic moment for women in the country. the bill will now be signed into law by the president and will come into force next month. analysis from the tuc claims that british workers have lost — on average — nearly 12,000 pounds in earnings over the past decade — once inflation is ta ken into account. the union body says that even though wages are currently growing at their fastest rate for ten years, the increases aren't enough to make up for real—terms falls in earnings since the financial crisis. that's it from me —

back now to victoria. later on the programme... after chelsea fans who we're heard singing anti semitic chants in budapest last night, we'll speak to the filmaker — ivor baddiel — who only two weeks ago — released a powerful campaign video, with chelsea, encouraging people to speak out about anti—semitic abuse in football. a 49—year—old woman with learning disabilities has died after having all her teeth removed. she is called racheljohnson. the nhs trust involved in worcester has been criticised for its "drastic" full extractions from other vulnerable patients. we'll bring you the story and talk live to mencap at about quarter to 11. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone

number in your message. it's 18 months since the fire at grenfell tower, which killed 72 people. this week also sees the end of the first phase of the inquiry into the disaster. on this programme we've closely followed the progress of the survivors, the many who've lost loved ones and their quest for justice — both the ongoing investigations into what happened that night, and the wider issue of social housing policy across the uk. it's thought more than 400 buildings in the uk still have grenfell style cladding. in a moment we'll talk to one person whose life was changed forever on the night of the fire, but first, grenfell united, the local group which is campaigning for changes to cladding and social housing amongst other things have produced a video to mark the 18—month anniversary of the fire, with the help of stormzy. this isn't a charity film. this is a clarity film. this is about what happened 18 months ago in grenfell. the voices of those

who shouted from the windows. i lost my friend. my wife. my brother. my father. i lost my daughter. i escaped through thick, toxic smoke. i was in a coma for two weeks. we stood and watched our homes burn. we saw our neighbours at their windows, screaming for help. we talked to them on the phone as they breathed their last breath. 72 people died in central london. we have lost the people we most loved. home is where you rest your soul. not where your soul should be made to rest. they say home is where the heart is. i woke up and i was on fire. we have grenfell united. we are the survivors. and the bereaved. we are raising our voices. and we will be heard. we are united for grenfell. to discover the truth. because we have to know how the people we trusted to protect us let this happened.

we are united for grenfell. because in this country there are still 4111 towers with cladding still on them. politicians can't just let this fade away and leave everything to stay the same. it is too late for our loved ones but it is not too late for yours. we are not asking for money. we are not asking for sympathy. we are demanding change. change so families up and down the country are safe in their homes. change so that people, no matter where they live, are treated with dignity and respect. will you stand with us? 72 people died in central london. a change must come. four ever in our hearts. forever in our hearts. never forget grenfell. join us, be united for grenfell. let's talk now to karim mussilhy — whose uncle died in the fire.

karim is the vice chair of grenfell utd. thank you for having me. you are approaching your second christmas without your uncle. what has actually changed on the ground, would you say, since the fire? to be honest, not much has changed. we are fighting and campaigning, and banging on doors, trying to get our voices heard, asking for things that should have been in place before the fire started. like what? things like, you know, the type of culture in councils at the moment, in terms of how they treat people when they have concerns, 01’ of how they treat people when they have concerns, or they want to talk about an issue they may have. had they been listened to when they raised the concerns before the fire, about so many different things happening in the tower, this probably would not have happened.

happening in the tower, this probably would not have happenedm that culture still there? those kind of areas have not improved? at the moment it is taking so long to get people in their permanent homes, it is taking so long to get people the help they need in terms of mental health and physical health. all of these are through us sitting down with the people that put these things together and help them work out a new process that works. what people went through at grenfell was different. everybody is going through it differently and going through it differently and going through the grieving process at different stages. it is important we recognise how to treat the family in the right way. these are the things that grenfell united have been helping with and hoping to change. when we talk about the cladding dot you know the figures as well as i do. he read cladding of hundreds of residential tower blocks across the uk is ongoing. it is not complete, it will be some time until it is,

and it includes social housing. still there are these combustible plastic filled panels on the outside, but the work is ongoing. it is happening. it has taken 18 months for us to be promised, or even told, something along the lines of ok, we will change this. or we will do that. the talks are happening right now, the government have promised that there will be no more buildings with this kind of cladding but there are still buildings out there and what is being done to have this removed? people are not safe in their homes. do we have to wait for another grenfell to happen and more lives to be lost? we need those people with the power to say stop everything, stop manufacturing, stop this. these are the companies that we know, their materials unlawfully killed ourfamilies. we know, their materials unlawfully killed our families. the refurbishment in 2016 turned it into a death trap. we know this through the public enquiry. it is no secret

anymore. 65 local authority areas contain at least one residential building over 18 metres high, public buildings like that unlikely to meet current guidance. that is 18 months after what happened at grenfell. you touched on mental health, from the many interviews i have done with people who survived all those who lost loved ones, it's an issue that has come up again and again. not only the state of people's mental health but also the difficulties in accessing help and treatment. is that still the case? yes, there are families, even in my case, my children, 18 months on they have not had the opportunity to speak to anyone about what they saw experienced. i have a ten—year—old son eddie six—year—old daughter. they would benefit from that? they saw everything, they lost their

uncle, they were there when the building was still on fire. a lot of other kids, not only children who lost or lived in the building that children from their area. a lot of them have not had access or been able to talk to someone about what they saw experienced. that is important. we need to be able to have dot adopted be able to access this quickly in the right way. so we should sit down with the nhs, for example, and talk about the services they have. we know this through different people and different stages of grief, and different beliefs and religions, i guess. people go through different processes of grieving. we need to make them aware of that so that they can tailor and provide the service to the family in the right way. pulled texted to say that he lives ina pulled texted to say that he lives in a london tower block and back in june was offered temporary accommodation while dangerous cladding was removed and since then, they were told it was too expensive to re m ove

they were told it was too expensive to remove so instead, they have one fire warden patrolling every three floors and that is all. not another word from the landlord. plus, they said they would fix all of the repairs that were potentially a fire hazard and i've waited six months to repaira hazard and i've waited six months to repair a window that will not close. another viewer says that they cannot believe that grenfell has been pushed under the carpet. they really thought that by now someone, some authority, would have been found responsible for the tragedy. it is so responsible for the tragedy. it is so sad. phase one of the grenfell enquiry has ended this week. there has been some shocking and searing testimony from survivors, from relatives and from firefighters, and others. what do you take away from what you have heard so far? others. what do you take away from what you have heard so far7m others. what do you take away from what you have heard so far? it has been difficult, throughout the whole process , been difficult, throughout the whole process, it has been hard hitting and a lot of the shocking things we found out quite quickly. to be honest, nothing has taken us back to

much. we knew a lot about the tower was wrong, and we have supported our friends and families that gave evidence. it must have been extremely hard for them to relive that night. but for me? i take away, mainly, i now know that my uncle, along with the 72 other loved ones we re along with the 72 other loved ones were unlawfully killed. the building was a death trap. the people who made those materials who did the refurbishment and the company who was meant to be looking after the te na nts, was meant to be looking after the tenants, everybody... nobody did theirjob properly. the building was illegal. none of the material used we re illegal. none of the material used were compliant. we now know that, through this, these people need to be targeted or questioned, or spoken to. also, through what we have learned, sir martin moore—bick does not need to wait until the end of the enquiry in order to make those

recommendations. they do not need to wait until phase two for the change to happen. you have enough to go on to happen. you have enough to go on to say right, we now know that this has happened because of this and it has happened because of this and it has happened because of this and it has happened because of that. let's put a stop to this. i want sir martin moore—bick to call out cell attacks and tmo and talk about his opinion on what he heard and what he saw, and make those right recommendations. we do not need to wait until the second phase to make those changes. and how did what happened 18 months ago change your life? your approach, your outlook, your future? umm, yeah, it's been a difficult 18 months. i was made redundant from my job. why? they closed down where i was working out. if i'm being honest, ever since grenfell, my priorities changed. i know longer looked at myjob in the same way i did. it was no longer

something important to me. grenfell was important, and the changes that needed to be made in the fight that we had, that was important. my priorities shifted. i became more determined to fight and stand along the rest of the families at rennes fell united and do what we could to make sure our loved ones are not remembered for this horrific fire that happened 18 months ago but the positive change that came and made people all across the country not only feel safe in their homes but treated with dignity and respect, regardless of the type of accommodation that they have. thank you for coming for i have a brief statement. seller takes a that they are cooperating and cannot operate further but want to express their deepest sympathy for anyone who was and remain affected by the fire. thank you for speaking to us. in brussels, eu leaders have expressed some public sympathy for theresa may's predicament last night. but she fell far short of getting

anything she needs to win mps' support for her brexit deal. this is mrs may arriving at the european council meeting this morning. she's told european leaders that the deal is ‘at risk‘ if mps concerns over the crucial issue of the backstop — aimed at preventing a hard border in northern ireland — aren't addressed. the european council president, donald tusk, told a news conference last night that the deal wasn't open for renegotiation : th union stands by this agreement and intends to proceed with its ratification. it is not open for renegotiation. the european council underlines that the backstop is intended as an insurance policy to prevent a hard border on the island of ireland and ensure the integrity of the single market. let's talk to our brussels reporter adam fleming. what did she get and what didn't she

get? so, she got a statement from the eu leaders, the 27 other countries, saying that they say the backstop is an insurance policy that is temporary, and if it comes and it will only be in place for as long as it is needed. it will not be permanent and the eu has given a pledge that they will continue to use their best endeavours to use their legal language to negotiate a future trade relationship, a future economic partnership that means the backstop will not be required. even if the backstop has been triggered. so, the uk sees those things as winds. what they have not got is that in an earlier draft of the document that was floating around brussels earlier this week, it was a statement where basically they said they did not want the backstop at all, or another paragraph where the

eu said they will explore further assurances that they could provide the uk in the nearfuture. that paragraph has gone. that is it. that is the end of the reassurance providing process as far as the eu is concerned. they wanted political and legal guarantees about the backstop that they could take back to parliament. that is it, there is no more reassurance or guarantees. that is all the eu has to offer. let's talk now to freelance journalist ellie mae o'hagan, political correspondent from the conservative supporting magazine the spectator, katy balls, and from buzzfeed news laura silver. welcome to all of you. let me ask you the same question. how do you assess the strength or weakness of theresa may's position at the end of the week? she survived the vote that she is much weaker than she was before. margaret thatcher, we know, survived a vote of no confidence with more votes than theresa may and ended up stepping down. i think it

was the worst result possible for the conservatives. they are stuck with her now but she is in a more weakened position.|j with her now but she is in a more weakened position. i think it was a hollow victory in some respects. she is now safe from challenge for a year, but it is different, margaret thatcher had that because the rules changed. at the same time, i think that reason may's allies were surprised by the number of mps who voted against her so her authority has been trained further. 179 tory mps do not have confidence in her which will probably translate closely to the number who do not like her brexit agreement, so how did she get through the house of commons? i don't know, does anyone know? how would you assess her position at the end of the week? regardless of the chaos this week, to reason may has to get a deal that nobody likes through parliament and there is definitive proof over a third of the party do not like it. they will be emboldened to push for

a vote of no confidence. she still cannot get the deal through basically, nothing has changed. katie, what will happen next? i know none of us know but from what you know of the people you speak to, what will happen next? she will look frantically busy over the next few weeks. she is making progress. it has not been helped by the meeting la st has not been helped by the meeting last night as we just heard. brussels had been very clear. they hardened their stance after speaking to her. they threw her a lifeline, they did not really want to renegotiate and the problem theresa may has, in order to get those votes she needed to to survive, she had to make three promises to the party. she will not lead them into the next election, she did not want to admit that. and legally enforceable backstop, and the third with the mending relations with the dup. her christmas, she will be in downing

street for christmas but there will not be any relief for her. and over christmas, presumably you would say that plotting to succeed her goes on. opposition politicians are working out their strategy too? the labour strategy at the moment is to wait for the deal to fail. of course, it will, judging by what happened this week. then, to call a vote of no confidence in the government because they think that by doing that, at that particular point, they will secure the maximum chance of a general election which has always been what labour said its preferred option, out of all of the ones available in terms of the mess that we are currently in. do you think potentially we are closer, or heading towards, a second referendum? i think it is possible, theresa may said she did not want to do that, buzzfeed reported that apparently it is the option that makes her the angriest but she called a general election when she

said she was not going to. she is looking for ways in which she can stave off another rebellion. and the public opinion says that the second referendum will be something that would favour that. and what about if other options failed? she has shown she will not stand down. if that is the nuclear option, iwill she will not stand down. if that is the nuclear option, i will not be surprised to see her take it. and other stuff that has been going on, a lot of people have been consumed by brexit, it dominated the news this week. some other news and policies and stories that did not necessarily grab the attention that they usually would. it has been a strange few weeks in politics. where are we in all of this brexit process? to be quite honest, looking at things right now, i haven't got the foggiest idea. but while journalists and politicians camp out at westminster, and all we hear is... delivering the brexit that people voted for.

..what else have we missed? well, the stories that might otherwise have made the headlines have been lost. take the news on tuesday that we now have one of the slowest improving life expectancies in the whole developed world, behind only the us. the report from public health england blamed obesity, winterflu deaths, and dementia. or, the announcement yesterday that local authorities will be able to raise council tax by up to £170 per year. long—awaited funding plans were delayed by a week because of the brexit vote. -- £170 —— £170 per year. then, there are other major announcements that have been delayed or pushed back. take immigration. ministers are proposing a whole new system for eu and non—eu migrants that gives priority to high skilled workers. but those plans first promised in summer 2017 still have not been published by the home office. we are now expecting something next week. then, there is social care. a green paper setting out how the government might fund in our old age is now well overdue. we were promised it

byjuly, then the autumn. now it has been put back to january at the earliest. people working in the care sector describe that as deeply concerning. ellie, katie and laura are here. what do you think the government should also be concentrating on, in your view, as well as brexit? we are living in an era at the moment of enormous existential challenges. we had the ipcc report earlier this year that said we had 12 years to resolve climate change otherwise it will end in catastrophe. and we were wa nt of will end in catastrophe. and we were want of another financial crisis. it

is an era with massive political challenges, and brexit has become this black hole that has sucked everything into it. it has left us paralysed and unable address other challenges. in terms of more immediate developments, i was disappointed that the vote of no confidence against theresa may happened the day after peaceful protesters were convicted in this country stopped a flight leaving this airport. it has never really been used. although it does not mention terrorism, it was introduced in the wake of the lockerbie bombing and carries a maximum life sentence. i think we can inferfrom and carries a maximum life sentence. i think we can infer from that that it was intended to deal with extremely violent and serious terrorist crimes. as the judge said, thejury does terrorist crimes. as the judge said, the jury does not consider that intention but it is whether

activists disrupted an aerodrome in the legislation and the jury found they did. yes, but it has been condemned across the world by human rights organisations and i was disappointed that brexit distracted from that coverage. is ellie right, that actually brexit is taking over everything? there are important issues elsewhere. it dominates everything, purely from the perspective of what to reason may's government can do, they do not have the majority. — — government can do, they do not have the majority. —— theresa may's government can do. you need a working tory majority. they do have ideas. yes, you can have bold ideas but as soon theresa may lost the snap election and had to rely on the dup for votes, they had to bend most of their manifesto, that speech was so of their manifesto, that speech was so thin aside from brexit. a lot has

to be addressed. we have an ageing population, and housing is one of those things that is very urgent that there's only so much this government can do when they do not have the votes, unless all the parties work together. part of the delay is the health secretary accepts that the only way it can get through parliament is something opposition parties agree to and that is part of the delay. and the other big story is windrush which is still happening. my colleague reported yesterday on a scam where people had lost thousands through a fraudulent recruitment agency that promised people fake jobs and visas, and the home office has recognised those people were scammed, but they are still facing death alteration. that isa still facing death alteration. that is a real everyday example of individuals facing this —— facing death alteration. —— being deported.

people are still fighting for legislation, and it has all halted because of brexit. and is at the right time to say happy christmas? not for theresa may, but i am saying it anyway. thank you for coming onto the programme. chelsea football club have questioned the "brainpower" of some of their suporters after a group of fans were heard singing anti semitic chants in budapest, five days on from the alleged racism directed at raheem sterling. a couple of mins into their europa league group match away at mol vidi, a minority of chelsea supporters cld be heard chanting the word "yid". here's that chelsea statement in full... only two weeks ago, film—maker ivor baddiel released a video made for chelsea and the anti—racism in football organisation kick it out. the examples of anti—semitism it shows are so shocking, we have been advised we can only play a short extract of it on morning television.

well, let's have that argument. if you want to see the whole video, it is online. it is incredibly distressing and haunting and there are reasons for that, so people understand what anti—semitism is. writer and film—maker ivor baddiel is a chelsea fan and has been working with the anti—racism charity kick it out. he gave us his reaction. well, it's particularly upsetting at the moment because chelsea, in the last couple of years have been trying to do an awful lot to combat anti—semitism in football.

only recently, we have released a film to do exactly that. coming at this particular time and following on so closely to what happened at the weekend with raheem sterling, even though that is all under investigation, it is particularly upsetting, yes. the statement from the club is really hard hitting. it says, "it has no place at chelsea, we have stated it loud and clear on many occasions. any individuals that can't summon the brainpower to comprehend this simple message and that are found to have shamed the club by using anti—semitic or racist words or actions will face the strongest possible action from the club". what do you think of that? well, it's very interesting. i mean, i agree with the club and you would have thought it was fairly straightforward. but there is a confusion because in a lot of the reports i have heard, the reporters have been saying, yes,

they are anti—semitic chants but they are anti—tottenham chants. i would argue that on some level, some of the people think they are just being anti—tottenham. they don't fully... that is exactly why i made the film, why we made the film, to explain to people, this is notjust tottenham. you might think you are chanting against tottenham but actually, what you are doing is hugely, horrendously anti—semitic. right. i genuinely think some people might not make that connection, might not realise it. 0k. let's play a clip of your film and we will come back to that. it is deeply searing, haunting and shocking and actually, because of the time of day that we are on, and we do quite a lot of, you know, taboo and shocking stuff, but even we can't show some of this so we are going to play about 20 seconds for the audience and then i will come back to you, ivor. so, i mean, those fans that we saw, there, doing the salute,

saying spurs are on their way... singing spurs are on their way to auschwitz, how is it possible for grown men in this day and age not to know that that is anti—semitic? well, that is... you would have thought, that's exactly why i made the point before, chelsea talking about they don't have the brainpower to realise. unfortunately because of this... this ridiculous confusion amongst football fans about tottenham and their supposed jewish identity, i think that there is an element of that chant which is meant to be just anti—tottenham and that is the whole point of the film, to say you might think you are making an anti—tottenham chants but actually, when you sing spurs are on their way to auschwitz, this is what you are really chanting about. the film then goes on to show, as you said, some... i was going to say pretty horrific but about as horrific you can get, the images.

but that is the whole point. unfortunately, it needed to be that hard hitting because clearly, clearly after last night, the images on the film were just from the summer, at the world cup, clearly there are people who think it is ok. as i said, maybe they don't really understand what it is they are chanting, and whyjewish people, and well, everyone is so offended by it. if you say, "look, you know, the images, this is what you are conjuring up in people's minds when you chant that", you know, you would have thought that all but the most hardened fascist would hopefully think, "ok", you know, "i realise now that was wrong". sorry about the people in the background. i'm in a hotel! not at all. what does what happened last night and at stamford bridge last weekend towards raheem sterling, as you said, it is under investigation, but what does that tell you about football in britain in 2018, if anything? well, they are slightly

different things. yes. the raheem sterling thing shows that i think football is changing. i'm sure all football fans have seen that sort of thing going on for many, many years. with the raheem sterling thing, it is just the proximity of it. you know, when i first went to chelsea in the ‘70s, it was horrendous. the national front were openly selling their newspaper outside the ground. no one really batted an eyelid. actually, it is terrible it is still going on but i think football is really trying to clean up its image and drive these things out. sorry to interrupt, so when ian wright tweeted earlier this week, "the bad old days are back", you don't think that's right? no, ithink... look, i think it is good that people are so enraged and it is good that ian wright does that because i think it is possible to slide back to the bad old days. but as i say, you know,

in the mid—1970s, the early 1980s, the national front were openly recruiting outside grounds. it was notjust one banana skin on the pitch. it was happening all the time and there was monkey chanting. you know, when i first went to a chelsea and tottenham game, i'm so ashamed to say it but chelsea fans were hissing and i didn't know what it was. i turned to who i went with and said, "what are they doing?" when they told me, they were trying to imitate the gas chambers, i could not believe it. that wasn't just an isolated one or two people. that was the whole of the away end doing that. i mean, this is a long time ago. yeah. so, yes, things have got better, but what ian wright... i don't think the bad old days are back to the extent they are, but it is very important to make sure that the slide, if there is one, back towards them, is stopped absolutely in its tracks. and do you stop that by banning people from the ground? or do you stop that by actually making them sit down in a classroom and giving them some lessons about history? yes, i think you do.

i'm a big believer in restorative justice. i mean, chelsea, when the film came out initially a couple of months ago, and there was talk of possibly taking the offenders, if you like, or the people who made these chants, actually taking them to auschwitz, i'm not sure if that is going ahead but certainly, that type ofjustice, the first step would be to watch my film. as you have said, it is very hard hitting. we are trying to say to people, "this is the real meaning. you might think it's a laugh, or you might think you are just having a go at tottenham fans but this is the real meaning of what you are chanting about". as i say, i would hope that 99% of people who see that film would think twice about doing it again. that is the first step. it's much better to re—educate. punitive justice just doesn't really work. still to come. a 49—year—old woman with learning disabilities has died after having all her teeth removed. the nhs trust involved

in worcester has been criticised for its "drastic" full extractions from other vulnerable patients. we'll bring you the story and talk live to mencap before 11am. it is the strictly final tomorrow night. the four celebrities left are stacey dooley... there # has anybody seen my gal? # now if you run into a five foot two. ..# also alongside stacey, ashley roberts. # we are shining

# and we will never be afraid again # say my name # and every colour illuminates # we are shining # and we will never be afraid again and then there isjoe sugg. # this year's love had better last # heaven knows it's high time cheering and applause # i've been waiting on my own too long # and when you hold me like you do # it feels so right...# and finally, there's faye tozer. # when my baby smiles at me

# i go to rio dejaniero # me salsa fellow # when my baby smiles at me # she shines the lantern of my life # and i am free at last...# and unlike throughout the rest of the competition, the ultimate winner will be down to your votes, very exciting. let's talk to ian waite, who is a former strictly come dancing professional dancer, and choreographer and dancer kristina rihanoff, who has taken part in seven series of strictly. welcome, both of you. i want to ask you both first of all, ian, who should win in your view? well, you've got two camps, really. you've got two of them who are extremely good dancers, and they have been good from the beginning. faye and ashley. and then you've got the other

two who really were not dancers, and are performing brilliantly now, so... joe and stacey. it's difficult, because they are all pretty much the same level at the moment. there's so many tens in the last couple of weeks, it's unbelievable. that didn't stop ashley getting into the dance off, did it? but who should win? it's a difficult one, because my head says ashley should win and my heart says that stacey orjoe should win. kristina, what about you, who should win? i agree with ian on a lot of points. i understand he has to be more impartial because he works on it takes two. i canjust say my opinion, i was supporting joe from the get go, and i think he is the last man standing. and in my eyes he improved the most. i think stacey also is a non—dancer and started really not that great, but progressed a lot, but to me i think there is something really endearing about joe's journey on the show, and he is a very unusual booking for bbc. we never had a youtuber before,

and he is not coming from being on bbc or anything like that, any other programmes, and just a guy who became famous through youtube. and i think he has poured his heart out and putting every single, selling his body in every single performance he has ever done on the show. i really support him and i think he should win. right, that is really interesting, because he may not be known to a mainstream bbc one audience, but he's got a massive following, ian. he's got 8 million subscribers on his youtube channel, 6 million on instagram almost, almost 6 million on twitter. they are going to vote for him and they will make sure he wins. well, he's got a very young audience as well, and they are all computer savvy. they know how to vote on the internet. so it will be really interesting. some older people also know how to vote on the internet. yes, i also know that but you have to understand that you know, there will be that element

of the older fan base that won't go on the internet and vote. so he has that slight advantage. but you know, we have had that in the past where people have had millions and millions of followers but they have not won in the final. who? mark wright, for instance. right, ok, but he was not as good a dancer asjoe. he was a good dancer. say that again? it is always going to come down to a good performance. they all have to deliver. i've been to the final twice and i know how nervous and exhausted they are so it will all come down to how they can perform. you know, if people feel like they are doing well, they will vote. ashley, as we know, has been in the dance of a number of times despite getting four tens, and she still ended up in the dance off, which means she didn't get enough votes from the great british public, because in the end, the public wants people without dance experience to win. we know that now, don't we?

absolutely and i think it is great that people have started standing up for their opinion and saying, "actually, we can listen to the judges" and you know maybe sometimes people get influenced by the judges' very strong opinions about the dance, but at the end of the day, we want to support who we feel is worthy of our vote. and a non—dancer, like stacey and joe, they went all the way to the final, i think it's really great that the public are behind them. we had a lot of winners with a lot of dance training in the past so it's about time that someone without any dancing experience wins. david says ashley should win. zac says stacey should win because i steady and consistent improvement has been fantastic and a joy to watch. liz said all the dancers

deserved to win but they will be voting for stacey as she has been a fan for some years and her exposure to dance, like joe fan for some years and her exposure to dance, likejoe has been limited and yet she has listened and learned and yet she has listened and learned and grown. and strictly final is on tomorrow night on bbc one — it starts at 6.30. iam i am having a strictly party with some friends. at 11am, it is bbc news live. but first, this. an nhs trust is facing criticism for carrying out "drastic" full extractions of the teeth of vulnerable patients after one 49—year—old woman died after she had all of her teeth removed. racheljohnston underwent the operation because of severe tooth decay. but she collapsed hours after being discharged. her mother has since criticised the operation which took place in a community dental service. and other families say they've had vulnerable loved ones going into surgery to get decaying teeth removed, and have come back with all of their teeth taken. kelly ashmore's brother kelvin was one

of those who had that. kelvin, who has learning disabilities, went into surgery expecting a deep clean, some fillings and a few extractions. but instead he came out with all of his teeth removed. kelly joins me now. hello. good morning. also with me is ciara lawrence, a campaign officer at mencap a charity for people with learning disabilities and she has a learning disability herself. sat next to her is mencap's head of policy, dan scorer. and also with us is lloyd page. he is an author who wrote tie going to the dentist moore a book without words aimed at people with learning disabilities. thank you forjoining us. kelly, how do you react to what has happened with this woman, rachel johnston? obviously it is very

shocking and distressing. when calvin had his operation, we understood it would be five extractions that he needed. and when we went to support him in the recovery room , we went to support him in the recovery room, he'd had all of his teeth removed. i think you just at the time, you are told it is done in his best interests and that is what we believed but since, in the years after, we have found out how widespread this has been in worcestershire and it is happening to other people as well. but does that mean in your brother's case, no consent was sought for the removal of all his teeth while he was under anaesthetic? so before we went down to the anaesthetic room, we had the anaesthetist come in and we had a form. we were obviously distressed at that time because we were just about literally to walk down with my brother. we had a form that my mother was asked to sign. there was a learning disability nurses supporting us who we felt was supportive. the form was put in front of my mum, and shejust

supportive. the form was put in front of my mum, and she just need to sign at the bottom. we didn't read it because i was trying to support my brother who was getting quite distressed, wondering what was happening to him. and then when we went to support him in the recovery room, we were quite shocked because he had blood that was, not to be dramatic, pouring from his mouth. we thought, "gosh, this does not look right". there were three or four staff trying to support him because he was quite distressed and pulling at things and not wanting to be supported by anybody. and theyjust said, "actually, he had to have all of his teeth removed". and your mum had consented to that with the signature but she hadn't realised, is what you are saying? we hadn't known... understood, yeah. the impact of it, yeah. first of all, how do you write to what happened to

racheljohnston? i think it is very sad andi racheljohnston? i think it is very sad and i think she should have had things explained properly from the beginning and had extra support. i think it is very sad. what are the issues here, dan? there are a number of key issues, firstly, why are people getting to this point in terms of the support they should be having throughout their lives around their dental care? i mean getting to their dental care? i mean getting to the point where you end up having to have all your teeth removed? absolutely, and clearly, it is shocking, what happened to rachel and that is now being investigated by the coroner, rightly, because her death was completely unexpected. but there are very serious issues raised around the consent that has been given, people going in to have their teeth out and they are coming out with all of their teeth lost and thatis with all of their teeth lost and that is a massive physical and emotional trauma that people have to go through. i think there are very serious issues around how the law is being used that need to be looked into. i will come back to how the law is being used but lloyd, in terms of more vulnerable patients,

people with learning disabilities, what is good practice from a dentist and what is bad practice, would you say? one example of bad practice is when the dentist forgets to tell the vulnerable patient that they are going to do some treatment. one good practice is if they can speak clearly, slowly and accessibly. right, have you experienced that potentially, ciara, a dentist talking about their treatment to someone else rather than you? i've been very lucky. i had a bad experience before but then i went to a special dentist and they were brilliant because they gave me extra time in my appointments, they made things clear, they talked me through what would happen in each appointment and if i was unsure, i was to ask or put my hand up and they would stop. they made me feel

so they would stop. they made me feel so comfortable and that was so much better for me. luckily, so comfortable and that was so much betterfor me. luckily, i have so comfortable and that was so much better for me. luckily, i have gone from not having a good experience to a positive. yes, and lloyd, ciara's description is what is needed, would you agree? yes. dan, in terms of the way the law is being used, what do you mean? people are going into have treatment on a couple of teeth and while they are under general anaesthetic, they are then having all of their teeth taken which is being justified on clinical grounds. are you saying, then, that sometimes, consent has not been given before that happens? whether from the patient themselves or their relative. this is being done in a persons best interests, often under the mental capacity act. without consent from anyone? they should be consulting individuals and their families where they can around what is in families where they can around what isina families where they can around what is in a persons best interest. putting someone under general anaesthetic or sedation is a significant thing to do and should not be done lightly but people are having life changing outcomes here which they did not expect when they

went under general anaesthetic. which they did not expect when they went under general anaestheticlj hope went under general anaesthetic.” hope you can still hear me, kelly.” can. you were describing that blood was pouring out of your brothers mouth when he came out of surgery and you were not expecting his teeth to be removed but worcestershire health and care nhs trust which run the dental service say they followed the dental service say they followed the correct procedures for vulnerable patients. what do you say? i read this statement from one of the managers at the worcestershire health trust. i see what they are saying. however, my mum is of the opinion that kelvin has a ways been treated as a second—class citizen. has a ways been treated as a second-class citizen. because of his learning disability? yes but i've a lwa ys learning disability? yes but i've always tried to be a bit more progressive. but when it happened, i understood what she meant and i do feel they made a point of telling us

that they had struggled to bring kelvin back through the anaesthetic, which, you know, that in itself was devastating to hear. they said everything was done in his best interest but i feel that it was done because they don't have to see him again, he won't have to go under anaesthetic again, the teeth are gone so the problem is sorted. but that left him, you know, having to change how he eats. now he can't eat certain foods any more. and the problems he had in the first few days, i don't think i can really put into words. did you say the trauma? yes, because he didn't understand why he didn't have any teeth. he was looking to us for reassurance, which, you know, we were trying to support him. obviously, we were cutting up his food but then as he was trying to eat something, he can't chew it and he would be trying

to eat, and he would almost throw it down, because he couldn't do it and he didn't understand why. i'm going to bring in our studio guests if i may. i mean, could that be the motivation, if all the teeth are removed, there is no problem with tooth decay any more. what do you think, ciara? i think tooth decay any more. what do you think, ciara? ithink that tooth decay any more. what do you think, ciara? i think that the person should be supported to make the decisions about their care because they are the expert of their life. they should have been consulted and it should have been talked through properly from the beginning. maybe training and the right support should be being given for the decision being made but nothing should be made until they have been told clearly what is going to happen or had the right support. lloyd, do patients with learning disabilities, people with learning disabilities, people with learning disabilities, are they more likely to get tooth decay? yeah, i think

most of them are, actually. i went to the special dentist and they gave me some dentures to wear. right. they feel really comfortable. good. dan, in terms of the special dentist that lloyd and ciara have talked about, who is that and where do people accept that kind of dentist? there are community dental surgeries in the community that people can access and also specialist hospital services. the key thing is they are making reasonable adjustments for people and changing the way they provide services. as ciara said, speaking clearly to people, making sure that people who are anxious about treatment can go and see the surgery and have an opportunity for what is called desensitisation so they are less anxious when they go there. they are given extra time and communicated with very clearly. these are the kind of issues that need to be addressed across the nhs. it is obviously very welcome to hear

that some people are having those positive experiences but clearly in some parts of the country, dreadful things are happening and there needs to bea things are happening and there needs to be a full investigation into that. thank you forjoining us. mencap have called for a full investigation into what happened. thank you, dan, ciara, lloyd and kerry, thank you for your time. a spokesperson for the three worcestershire clinical commissioning groups, which runs the dental service in racheljohnson's case said: "whilst it would not be appropriate for us to discuss the details of any specific case, we can confirm that all relevant agencies are committed to work together to share the facts and review the circumstances leading up to a recent case of the death of a person with a learning disability. thank you for your time this morning. bbc newsroom live is next. have a good day. it's a quiet day before the weekend.

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newsroom live from the eu summit in brussels. it's 11 o'clock. i'm ben brown and these are the main stories this morning. a standoff in brussels — eu leaders tell theresa may she needs to be clearer about what she wants for her brexit deal, and tell her there's no chance of a renegotiation. i'm very satisfied with the conclusions that we reached last night, which are that we as the european union stands by the withdrawal agreement that was negotiated. we don't believe it's up for renegotiation. the prime minister warns the eu that it risks

an accidental no—deal brexit, if she can't convince parliament to back the agreement. also in today's news... police in france shoot dead the gunman who attacked