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this is bbc world news, the headlines... rescuers in indonesia are continuing to search people trapped and injured by a tsunami which has killed more than 200 people. the destruction is making rescue efforts more difficult, but heavy lifting equipment is being moved to badly—hit areas. president trump has announced that the us deputy secretary of defence, patrick shanahan, will replace his former boss, jim mattis, onjanuary the 1st. general mattis resigned last week over mr trump's plans to withdraw us troops from syria. the french president, emmanuel macron, has criticised mr trump's decision to pull out us troops, saying an ally should be dependable. speaking after visiting european troops in chad, mr macron said he deeply regretted the move and paid tribute to general mattis. other us allies have also voiced their concern. two people arrested in connection with flying drones at gatwick airport in the uk have been released without charge. and now on bbc news: our world, a tale of two swedens.
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music sweden. for decades, people have been coming here to try to learn the secrets of this country's multiple success stories. in openness and transparency, innovation and new technologies. in healthcare, welfare, and gender equality. but lately, there has been a growing chorus of sweden's sceptics. you look at what's happening last night in sweden... sweden. malmo is now the rape capital of europe. they paint a picture of a country where openness and liberalism have created a nightmare that now threatens the very existence of those values themselves. two contradictory narratives.
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they can't both be true. so what's really going on? a spectacular bridge, well known to fans of scandinavian crime drama, connects denmark to the swedish city of malmo. but it's real crime that's worrying people here, and some are blaming immigrants. during the crisis of 2015, sweden took in more refugees per capita than even germany. hundreds of thousands came, attracted by an open door policy and generous welfare payments.
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many settled in an area of malmo called rosengard, already home to a large immigrant population. in the past there have been riots here, cars burned. earlier this year, the police station was bombed. part of rosengard, just over there, in fact, has been designated by the swedish police as a vulnerable area. one of 23 such areas across the country. now, there are those whose say that is just putting a positive spin on it. what this is is a no—go zone, a ghetto, where crime is spiralling out of control. young guys who don't have much to do, so, let's have some fights with the police. glen sjogren is one of the city's most senior police officers. it is what they call the worst area. this is the worst area? yeah. the biggest problem is drugs and guns. ten people have been shot dead in malmo this year already. when was the last time you had a shooting here?
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two weeks ago. where was that? just around here. just here? that's right. that's him? that's him, yes. do you know who did it? we think we know. you think you know? yes. have you made an arrest? not yet. one of the most sensitive topics here is about immigration, and some people say that it's immigration that's to blame for this rise. i don't think so. you don't think so? not at all, no. who is doing these shootings? are they called sven and bjorn and do they have blond hair? normally not. right. sweden has, in recent years, also seen a rise in the number of reported rapes and sexual assaults. lawyers say the police are struggling to cope. it is like that right now and that is very bad, because if we have police working with rape cases and then
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we have a lot of shootings in malmo, they need to take police from this, so they have to work with the shooting instead. that means that the rape cases are piled. so they have to wait. ok, let's pause here for a moment. that's part of this story, but there's more. the figures are highly contested. sweden has broadened the legal definition of rape in the past few years. look at what ulrika rogland told us before that clip we just showed you. what is going on with rape figures in sweden? are they up, or are they down? i think they are up, but it's rather difficult to say why they are up. i think it's a good thing that they are up, because to me it means that more people are reporting them. you don't think that more people are actually being sexually assaulted and raped ? no, i don't think so, because we have known for many years that we have a lot of people who do not report, especially in the homes where the most assaults are committed.
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when journalists go to report on a story we strive for accuracy and balance, of course. but we often also go in search of a narrative. and in complex situations, one narrative can eclipse another. let's go back to rosengard and start again. part of rosengard, just over there, in fact, has been designated by the swedish police as a vulnerable area, one of 23 such areas across the country. what does that mean? it means they have problems, with crime, with unemployment. but this is still sweden, right? how bad can it get? young guys, who don't have much to do... glen sjogren has been a police officer in malmo for four decades. the rate of crime in malmo is going down. really? everybody says it's going up. no. what's going up is spectacular shootings.
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the biggest problems are indeed drugs and guns. the latest shooting was just a couple of weeks ago. who was the guy who was shot? he lived here. just a local resident? selling drugs, of course. he was a drug dealer? of course. you knew about him? yeah. everybody who got shot in malmo is a well—known criminal. right, so the criminals are shooting each other? that's right. there are no innocent victims? no. let's take another look at that sensitive question about immigration. who's doing these shootings? are they called sven and bjorn and do they have blond hair? normally not. right, ok. but you don't think it's to do with immigration? no. explain that. these guys have not succeeded in school, they don't have a job, and so, of course, they are immigrants,
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but they are second or third generation. so they are actually swedish. both versions of what we have just shown you reflect reality. but it doesn't take much to tip a narrative. this is a story about a wider gulf in perception between the image that sweden projects and the lived experience of some swedes which has begun to contradict that narrative. to understand the origin of sweden's image as a beacon for progressives and liberals, you have to go back to the middle of the 20th century. politics was dominated by the social democrats, a party with roots in the labour movement which, through a bold hybrid of socialism and liberalism, appeared to achieve
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startling results. these are the richest people in the world. they have the highest standard of living in a super welfare state which has abolished poverty and eliminated strikes, where everything and everyone works. the only country in the world were seven—year—olds attend lessons on sex. sweden projected itself as a model to emulate, but even in the 19605 people were asking is the good sweden narrative to good to be true? narrative too good to be true? all around the town you can see the discrepancy between the swede as he is, and as he'd like to be. they worship themselves in images of bronze, but are the trolls and gremlins creeping back? one thing the swedes have always worshipped is the sun. that discrepancy is even starker today. sweden still regularly comes out at or near the top of international rankings for happiness and prosperity. but it spends less than it used
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to on welfare and public services. we have been so lucky here. now i think we have started to see difficulties in this society, and they don't necessarily have to do with immigration at all. now people see that my kids school is not working, my elderly parents are not being taken care of in a proper way, or the buses or the trains are not working, they are always running late. i think that people are feeling that they are doing everything right but they are not getting back the welfare that we were used to. the heyday of sweden's liberal socialist hybrid is over. old industries have died. others have sprung up to take their place. the transition to a more globalised economy and a more educated workforce has been good for some, but not for everyone. it has produced a sweden that is less equal and less homogeneous.
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of course, there are elements of truth and of exaggeration in both these narratives. but the good sweden story, the story of this perfect little nation where everything works and everyone lives in harmony, has been so dominant for so long that now that it is being challenged, it feels all the more disturbing. to get beneath the skin of the bad sweden narrative, that the country isn't working any more, you have to leave the city and get out the countryside. an hour's drive from malmo we meet morgan nilsson. he's in construction. it was the party of the working man? now, he says he and many of his fellow construction workers have ditched the centre—left and switched to the sweden democrats, a party with its roots
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in the neo—nazi movement that is riding high in the polls, by focusing on the issue of migration. he says open borders has been bad for swedish workers. it is not good for us, who work in construction. we can't compete with them. it is driving down wages and prices? yes. you would like sweden to leave the european union? yes, i don't believe in open borders or anything. if we can't stop at his coming into the country we don't know who's in the country. all those international rankings, they do not ring true to morgan. to him, it doesn't feel like sweden is the fair and equal society at once was. lots of people in sweden would not agree with you. no. they would say like an sweden is great. we have very high standards
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of living, most people are well off. yes. yes, we have. so what is the problem? i don't know what the problem is, i live good and i have it good and many people have it good. but we don't take care of the really sick ones and very poor ones and the older ones. we don't take care of them. i believe in the sweden democrats‘ policy, to keep sweden like it has been before. we'll be landing in stockholm. sweden has become disconnected. in private homes, and public institutions, people are arguing about what kind of country they want this to be. about what kind of country it actually is. those debates will now be tested at the ballot box.
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in the capital, stockholm, we meet the governing social democrats out canvassing. this is the party that designed sweden's liberal socialist hybrid that has run this country for much of the last century. but lately their support has been shrinking. hi, we're from the bbc. we know! we have been informed. oh, you've been informed. how's it going? pretty good. you guys seem so positive, like everything is just great. that's the image we all have of sweden, where everything works and everything is brilliant. but it actually does. the other day someone yelled at me. what did they say to you? that i should acknowledge the chaos. mm. yeah. and i actually can't see any chaos. yes, of course, there are people that are suffering and hurting, and that is extremely bad,
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but we can do something about it. what do you think that person was talking about? actually, i don't know. that's the thing... do you think you'e living in different worlds? probably. i asked him. please can you explain, i don't understand where your chaos is, because i think it's rather nice here. and he just give me the creepy eye and said, "the immigrants". here's a startling statistic, sweden today has higher income inequality than the united states did under ronald reagan. one swede said to me we used to be one of the most egalitarian societies in the world. now we've imported class differences — in part because of immigration. we have come to stockholm to meet one of the most senior ministers from the centre—left government.
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on our way we got chatting to two young swedes, both out of work and homeless. what should we say to her, what should we ask her? i will ask why are you not helping your people who are already here? we are. but we have to do both. he says help your own people before you help others. and this is a guy who came from somalia in 1991. we are most generous to the un system, to the un bodies that work to prevent poverty, to create possibilities, to help people rise from poverty in their own countries. around the world. you call yourself a humanitarian superpower. but we are. right, right. we are. but this guy is saying what about us, here at home? but of course we do. he has a right to get money to somewhere we live to get food and everything. but what so many swedes have told the mainstream politicians, especially the social democrats, are not talking about the problems that worry me. every day.
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every day, since we took office, every day. but that's not how people perceive it. yes, but why? there is an interest from some to describe it that way. so you're saying it's fake news? all these people who are saying... i'm not saying fake news. ..they are not listening to us. no, but i'm not saying it is either or. you know, a society is the dark side, a bright side, and all the nuances in between. i think there is a battle on how to depict sweden and how to describe reality. why? because i think sweden, for so many years, was a roadmap model for many other countries in the world. we managed to be a progressive democratic state that also offered sort of a welfare system that embraced everybody. that's one picture. then of course we have been also affected by the polarisation that we can see everywhere in the world. and there was a political interest in depicting sweden as chaos because of immigration or the asylum, the refugee crisis. so i think we are in
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the middle of all of that. and on the question of the rape figures... of course there has been an increase of rapes. is that related to immigration? i would not say. i do not know exactly how this is. but i think to some extent. if you come here, so many young men with a completely different view of women and the role of women and sexuality and what have you, this is something that you also have to inform, what are our laws, what is it you cannot do. so you think it's got something to do with it? i think it's a part of it. this country is changing fast. back in malmo i kept returning in my mind to that phrase from the old documentary. all around the town you can see the discrepancy between the swede
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as he is and how he would like to be. not so long ago, voicing concerns about immigration would make you a social and political outcast. no longer. public discourse is catching up with private thoughts. let's take you back to rosengard for a moment. because what's interesting about the sweden isn't working narrative is that it's shared by many of the second—generation immigrants whose parents came here expecting some kind of utopia. no, no, it is not the reality. it's so far away from reality. what is the reality? it is hard to explain. they say it's very good to live here. ok, people live here, they have food, but they don't feel good in their mentality, you know. why? i don't know. maybe it's the weather. hussein came to sweden
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from lebanon as a young boy. he's been out of work these past three years. as we stood chatting under the tree there was a moment of journalistic serendipity. hello. the newcomer is abdur rauf al—absi. he's a syrian. he's been here for five years. and in all my reporting i have rarely seen a happier refugee. from idlib. and how is life? life is good. what's he saying? he says all the people here are equal. really? is it really true, do you think? people from syria are very well in sweden. you see many of the sweden people now they are angry, because of this man, maybe they don't like him, because they say they came here from the war, they get everything, and we are sick,
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we cannot work, they don;t give us money, we don't have to eat, and i am swedish. do they have a point, do you think? i think they have right. a survey last year ranked this as the best country in the world to be a refugee. for decades the people who run this country, the politicians, the media, have been deeply invested in this narrative. but it's not the full story. you can live here all your life without speaking swedish. glen sjogren estimates that unemployment in rosengard, where almost everyone is from an immigrant background, is ten times the national average, maybe more. bad sweden. integration has been a disaster. but until recently to talk about that was taboo. we are not integrating good enough. you have to be straight and say who is causing this problem? what would happen if you said that
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in polite society in central malmo? i would probably be called a racist. maybe a nazist. a nazi? i don't know why, because it's true. do you think that political correctness failed that guy? in some way, yes. in what way? because to see the problem as it is and do something about it. so political correctness is quite literally killing people? that's your word. that's my interpretation of what you just said. yes, but i, ah, yeah. but i'm not really agreeing, there's other things. i'm putting words in your mouth. that's right. a little bit. there are a lot of other things that causes that. 0k. it's a complex problem. yeah, it is. before we go, and for the record... a british politician called
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malmo the rape capital of europe, is that... that's not true. donald trump had something too, i think. that's not true. you look at what is happening last night in sweden. sweden. nothing had happened in sweden at night. the american president had watched a documentary on fox news the previous evening that painted sweden as a failing state. of course it isn't, any more than it's a utopia. sweden is a lodestar in a polarised world. people come here looking for confirmation of their existing world view. the lesson that they might come back with is this — beware the simple narrative. that and don't believe everything you see on tv. thanks very much forjoining me. it
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is that time when we try to get you through the next few days in some detail. then we will try to pick up on some of the themes we are expecting as we push ourselves towards the new year, in fact. a lot of cloud around at the moment. much of cloud around at the moment. much of that has come in association with a weather front which, come monday morning, will be lurking all over the south—west quarter of the british isles. further north, with high—pressure dominant, the skies will be clearer. that will allow some frost to form overnight and there will be some fog which may, in one of two spots, northern ireland, merseyside, linger into the
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afternoon. not overly warm despite the presence of the sunshine further north. watch out for fog forming away from this weather front, across the eastern side of england, as we go from monday to tuesday, christmas eve to christmas day. a lot of mild airstreaming eve to christmas day. a lot of mild air streaming from biscay and iberia, particularly to the western side of the british isles, and even on this scale you can see that there is warmth to the west, not so to the east. christmas day itself, dry for many. there will be patchy frost and fog. some cloud, particularly across western areas. that might produce a little drizzle, of what otherwise is going to be a dry and cloudy christmas day. the rest of the sunshine, if any, across the north—east of scotland, the eastern side of the pennines. maybe in spots across the far south—east. here is what i mean about the temperature profile. the warmth in the colours to be found out to the west, where we will push the temperature is well into double figures. towards the east, a pretty chilly do. if you keep some fog and some cloud throughout the day, it will be one
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of those days. come wednesday, boxing day, a big sporting day. we will have a high pressure still close by. a frontal system trying to get into the north—western quarter of scotland, producing a pretty wet do there. what will be noticing is that the brews are still coming up across biscay, the western side of the british isles, then bending on a westerly to push some of the warmth ofa westerly to push some of the warmth of a further towards the east, newcastle and also edinburgh could be into double figures. here we are, as far ahead of thursday. high pressure is still doing stuff for the greater part of the british isles. a little bit more of an importation of drier air, seeing a better chance of some sunshine for more places across the british isles. the two bridges are still really not bad for the time of year, eight or 11 should cover it, right across the piece. there should not be any weather problems if you are on the move. here is the same high—pressure doing it stuff, very close by to the british isles. keating for the most part at bay a weather front trying to work its way towards the british isles. really
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giving up the ghost. rain might get into northern ireland and the western isles, but that is it, on another cloudy and still day. that has got you to the christmas week, if you like. what news about the weekend? well, if you like. what news about the weekend ? well, i if you like. what news about the weekend? well, ithink if you like. what news about the weekend? well, i think we will find high—pressure really dominating. the re m na nts of high—pressure really dominating. the rem na nts of low high—pressure really dominating. the remnants of low pressure running away from the south—western quarter of the british isles, towards biscay. the high—pressure really coming to dominate and keeping weather fronts at bay from the british isles. there will still be some signs of relatively mild air dominating the scene across northern and western parts. as we click of a circulation, with a high close by, it may feed in some slightly cooler toward southern and eastern parts. into the new yeah, settled, mostly dry, cloud around and a chance of mist and fog. that is how it is looking. take care. the rescue effort in indonesia after a tsunami kills more than 200 people. hundreds of others were injured as a wave thought to be triggered by a volcano
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tore into the coast. translation: what was the government doing? at first, they said there hadn't been a tsunami last night. they took ages to act. these waves were devastating. police examine a damaged drone found at gatwick airport, as two people arrested over the disruption are released without charge. the uk's thriving trade in counterfeit goods. and a land rich in resources but with many economic challenges — we report from the democratic republic of congo.
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