hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. police are ignoring abuse including racism aimed at politicians outside parliament. that's what the mp anna soubry thinks — she was called a nazi during a bbc interview in westminster and then pursued down the street by a group of protestors. this is what has happened to our country, actually. this is what's happened to our country. but anyway let's try and move on and be positive about things. now over 50 mps have written to the metropolitan police commissioner cressida dick to express their concerns about security outside parliament. we'll speak to some of those politcians. children are being being let down when they are at their most vulnerable after being sexually assaulted. one doctor says she's seen shocking footage of children being examined by poorly trained staff at some private referral centres. when we examine children, we never put swabs inside the genital area. and on one occasion i saw a child where a swab was put inside the genital

area, and that would cause pain to a little girl in a way that it wouldn't to an adult woman. and, this woman — natasha sale — campaigned to lower the age of cervical screening to 18. she died of cervical cancer — aged 31 — days before her petition reached 100,000 signatures. her family are here to tell us why they are carrying on her fight. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do you agree with this group of over 50 mps that the police should step in to stop the verbal abuse and in some cases intimidation of some politicians as they go about their business just outisde parliament? let me know, use the hashtag #victorialive. e—mail victoria@bbc.co.uk.

meldrew on twitter: "no, the police should not step in. ajudge ruled it's not an offence to swear at the police, so why should mps be any different?" tony on twitter: "put it another way — if they abused the police in the same way, using the same hate speech, would they have been ignored in the same way?" emma on twitter: "appalling. could you imagine if mps started going into their workplace and chanting at them. no need, whatever side of the house they are on." so should the police step in? should simply be arrested for calling an mpa nazi? we will talk about this after the news with annita mcveigh. dozens of mps have written to the metropolitan police commissioner to express serious concerns about the deteriorating public order and security situation outside parliament. the letter comes as police investigate whether any criminal offence was committed when the tory mp anna soubry was branded a nazi by protesters during an interview here on the bbc

news channel yesterday. and we'll be hearing from two mps who have both experienced abuse in theirjobs as mps just after this news summary. mps will vote later on an amendment to the government's finance bill, which could make it more difficult for the uk to leave the eu in march without an agreement. the amendment would prevent ministers raising money to implement a no—deal brexit without the explicit consent of parliament. a bbc investigation has found that young victims of sexual assault are not being forensically examined within a critical time period at some privately—run referral centres. doctors also told the bbc they had seen cases of incorrect recordings of injuries and evidence contamination. victims‘ commissioner baroness newlove said the failings were shocking. nhs england said it had not been made aware of the concerns. and we'll hear from a doctor who reviews recordings of examinations about her concerns later in the show. a housing charity says

three million new homes will have to be built in england over the next 20 years to solve a crisis in social housing. the report commissioned by the charity shelter suggests that construction would cost up to £11 billion a year, but would save the government money because rents would be cheaper. the communities secretary james brokenshire says the government is committed to delivering 250,000 new homes by 2022. at least seven people have died in seperate incidents across the alps following avalanches caused by a weekend of heavy snowfall. mountain rescuers continue to search for several missing people as the second—highest avalanche warning remains in place across much of austria, germany and italy. the former chairman of the japanese carmaker nissan, carlos ghosn, has appeared in public for the first time since his arrest in november on suspicion

of financial misconduct. mr ghosn said he had been falsely accused and unfairly detained, and denied the charges against him. thejudge said he had not been granted bail because he was deemed a flight risk. now, here's what happened when a speech by california's new governor had an unusual interruption. gavin newsome‘s rather sleepy two—year—old son wandered onto stage, and promptly stole the show at his dad's inauguration speech in sacramento. much to the audience's delight, dutch didn't want to give up his newfound limelight easily. eventually his mum was able to coax him back to his seat. that's a summary of the latest news, back to you, victoria. are you a social worker or do you fancy being a social worker? later on the programme we'll talk about plans to train 900 new children's social workers in england — there are nearly 6000 vacancies and lots of people don't stay long in thejob. let us know your experiences. if you are training to be a social

worker or if you have been in the job, tell us what the reality of it is like. contact details are on screen, if you are happy with us contacting you and you want to be included in the programme, include your phone number. "liar." "scum". "nazi." these words were chanted by protesters at the conservative mp anna soubry yesterday outside parliament. some of the shouting was while she was being interviewed by bbc news, but the abuse continued as she tried to make her way to the house of commons. ms soubry has criticised police for not intervening and called for the protesters to be prosecuted under public order laws. now 50 mps have written to the boss of the metropolitan police to express their concern about what they call the "deteriorating public order and security situation" outside the houses of parliament. we'll talk to the mp who organised the letter in a minute. here's what happened yesterday.

constituents who voted to leave, anna. anna, why are you not doing that, anna? anna, i want to know why you're making up lies about me. this could go on for a while. that's why, that's the other thing that's now got to happen is we have to be absolutely... i do object to being called a nazi, actually. she can't keep coming back with the same notion, she can't tweak a word of it. what we need is to get this determination on her deal. they shout and chant so, why do you...? there's already been a people's vote. they continue chanting anna, anna... can you answer the question, anna?

they continue shouting at her they chant "scum" the met says it is investigating whether any crimes were committed, after receiving a third—party report of a public order offence. but some on social media say that soubry and other mps should take some responsibility for the protests. brendan o'neill is the editor of spiked online. he says, "anna soubry is at the forefront of a deeply cynical and elitist effort to demonise and destroy a great act of democracy — the vote for brexit.

it is entirely natural that she should become the focal point for people's anger." jaccq1 asks on twitter, "should mps also take some responsibility for their own behaviour? recent scenes of braying asses and hateful language inside hoc isn't really a good example to set. mps are setting the tone for hate and it is trickling down!" and tim montgomerie — a conservitve writer and brexiteer, says, "the abuse is unacceptable and i condemn it, but a parliamentarian who advocates overturning a referendum result she promised to respect should not be surprised at unleashing such ugliness." the labour mp for cardiff south and penarth is stephen doughty. stephen coordinated the letter to met police chief cressida dick, which has been signed by at least 55 mp5. alsojoining us is labour mp jess phillips, who represents birmingham yardley and who often gets threatened on social media. she has previously talked on this

programme about receiving 600 rape threats on social media over the course of one night. thank you both for talking to us. stephen, should somebody be arrested for shouting the word nazi at a politician? ultimately it is for the police and the crown prosecution service... what do you think? we are not talking about individual words, we're talking about violent threats, intimidation, racism, sexism, homophobia, threats to kill. it is not just what happened homophobia, threats to kill. it is notjust what happened outside parliament, it has gone on for many months, many members of parliament, many journalists, many activists months, many members of parliament, manyjournalists, many activists and manyjournalists, many activists and many in public services receive these threats on a daily basis and whatjess phillips and i have experienced, threats to kill, i have been sent a fake bomb, we should not

have to put up with that in democracy. we have a proud tradition of protest outside parliament are many people have processed —— protested peacefully for many months, and we have a far right group of folks and yobs here. how'd you know they are far right folks? we have examined were some of them come from and their views and what they have posted elsewhere and all of this has been reported to the police, that is why we were very disappointed and have written to the national police commissioner. the significance of you saying you have seen evidence that they are far right thugs, tell the audience? this is not just a right thugs, tell the audience? this is notjust a couple of people who have got rowdy on the street, this is organised intimidation from some, quite frankly, sinister individuals and organisations and it has all been reported to the police, one would hope they were fully investigating the nature of these individuals and the organisations

they are in bolton before something serious happens. you are pointing out what you are saying the extreme right—wing connections that you have seen right—wing connections that you have seen evidence of, our audience knows the right—wing extremist thomas meier was jailed to killing your colleague, labour p jo meier was jailed to killing your colleague, labour pjo cox. could this happen again of the police does not step in? absolutely, and this is not step in? absolutely, and this is not just mps not step in? absolutely, and this is notjust mps being threatened, this is major broadcasters, individuals going about theirjob, reporting on the news of the day, being called slags, being told to f off to their own country, being threatened with rape etc. and a lot of this is targeted at women, thejewish community, muslim mps, gay mps and, quite frankly, it has to stop and police had to do theirjob outside of the home of democracy. jess phillips, is there a difference

between protesters shouting nazi at an outside parliament and racist abuse, anti—semitic abuse? the reason they are shouting nazi is because they know that it hurts her, and it is targeted, not to debate, it is targeted to hurt and be painful and frighten us. these people are not trying to change our minds, they are not trying to take pa rt minds, they are not trying to take part ina minds, they are not trying to take part in a democracy, they are not trying to lobby, they are trying to frighten us so that we do something different, so that when i am reminded that my friend was murdered in the street, that maybe i won't come on television and talk about it. that is what those people yesterday were trying to do to anna soubry, owen jones, kay yesterday were trying to do to anna soubry, owenjones, kay burley, that is what they are doing, trying to scare and bully us. i have looked at the public order legislation this morning, the public order act of 1986 was amended in

2014 order act of 1986 was amended in 201a to order act of 1986 was amended in 2014 to protect freedom of expression, the word insulting was taken out of legislation so it now says words or behaviour that is insulting within the hearing of someone insulting within the hearing of someone likely to be caused harassment or distress will no longer constitute criminal offence. nazi is just an longer constitute criminal offence. nazi isjust an insult? the substantive little bits of the law and whether this is a particular public order offence, any decent person watching this will realise that this is not what they would wa nt that this is not what they would want walking down their street, this is not what they had to put up with going in and out of work, and if they do, they would tell politicians like me would stick up for them. if this was police officers, nurses, anybody in their workplace, i would be looking to try to make sure they are safe. sorry to interrupt, but some people in social media are saying to me that mps have played a massive part in the decline of moral standards, and secondly for normal

people, they are saying, the police would not help me if i was called something in the street going about my business, why are mps different? that isjust my business, why are mps different? that is just simply my business, why are mps different? that isjust simply not my business, why are mps different? that is just simply not true. my business, why are mps different? that isjust simply not true. i would not ask the special protection other than the fact that we are especially at risk, just like police office rs especially at risk, just like police officers and nurses. if you go into your local jobcentre you officers and nurses. if you go into your local jobce ntre you will see there is a security officer on the door, for example. people deserve to be safe at work, but the point of the matter is that if people are getting a ditch with you and saying it is free speech, people like anna soubry are asking for it, we are saying that we willjustify the behaviour of organised right—wing groups to try and scare our politicians into making decisions based on fringe views. i did not come here to be bullied by far right believes, far left bullies or anyone. we came here to do what we

felt was best. in the whole she is trying to overturn a democratic vote, she was democratically elected by her constituents, as was i, we should be able to do the job that they have put it in. that is one of they have put it in. that is one of the points people were making, she was democratically elected by her constituents to do a job, and as it happened, her constituency voted leave. she is a remainer and wants a second vote. victoria... yes, stephen dowty. tim mark de mori -- thimba comrie and others adding this but, they should be ashamed. many people backed the letter to the police, including mps fervently in favour of brexit, because they know that only by insuring decency and protecting the rights of all to speak out, that our democracy functions in the way that it should. and trying to shut down legitimate free speech, we are talking about

violent threats and intimidation and hate crime. there needs to be a review of the particular policing arrangements outside of parliament. is that what you want? a policeman was killed just months ago, and we have seen other threats. there needs to bea have seen other threats. there needs to be a review of the operations outside, i was on college green this morning and there was not a single police officer present when journalists and mps were going about their business. but as one person points out on my timeline, maybe thatis points out on my timeline, maybe that is because there is a crime wave in london police resources should not be diverted?” wave in london police resources should not be diverted? i sit on the home affairs committee and the fact that have been over 20,000 police cuts in 2010 is something i raise every day of the week. yet you want a review of the police operation run couege a review of the police operation run college green? this is at the heart of democracy, our parliament, civil servants, journalists going about their business at the heart of democracy. if we can to protect and

ensure that legitimate protest and legitimate democratic activity can go peacefully and safely, we have a serious problem. jess phillips? i am just a human being, i have to children, i go on the school run. i do... why on earth should threats against us not be taken seriously? it is not that people think we should not divert police activity, it is that people think that people like politicians do not deserve protecting, like we are not humans. i would fight for the same protection that i feel i sometimes need because people threatened to kill me all the time, i would fight for that for literally every single one of my constituents. absolutely. so why on earth would we not expect that for people like me and stephen? sorry, with jess phillips, that for people like me and stephen? sorry, withjess phillips, stop the lives. sorry, what did you say, stephen doughty? why should i put up with being called a batty boy, a

well—known homophobic slur? why should i have a fake bomb sent to me, why should i be told i should hang all be shot or stabbed, not least when one of my good friends and colleagues was murdered? it is not acceptable. if you allow the caveats of a mp5, celebrities, they deserve it, look at what happened to jill dando, jo cox, many people in the public eye and public servers every week and the assaults on train workers, nurses, doctors, police. if we a cce pt workers, nurses, doctors, police. if we accept that this is somehow fair game because you are putting yourself in the public line of duty or the public eye, as a country we will descend to a very ugly place. on twitter, the brooks says of course police should step in, nobody should be subject to this abuse regardless of what forum or who they are, and stop the lies says police should step in, i am gobsmacked they are allowing this intimidation and abuse to continue. thanks, brexit, for creating this hate and division.

is brexit to blame, jess phillips?” don't think it has helped, and i think it is so polarising, because the country is split, that it is easy to make a binary. but where i live, where people voted leave and members of my family voted leave and lots of my constituents voted leave, this is not what happens. these people outside parliament are not representing those people. people come and chat with me, i have lots of brexit voters who will come in and be like, it is all right, bab, we disagree, that is it. that is what is happening in the rest of the country, don't let these folks think they are representing anyone but themselves. —— don't let these thugs. thank you both for coming in, jess phillips and stephen doughty. both labour mps, one in birmingham and one in cardiff. still to come — we'll hear from two social media influencers about the impact that living out their entire life on youthe

and other platforms has had on their mental health. do you not worry that this is really bad for you? no, i know it's bad for me. i don't think i'm handing this in a good way. but you're still doing it. of course. everyone knows this is bad for them, no—one thing is that it's not. —— no one thinks that it is not. young people are being being let down at when they are at their most vulnerable at some private sexual assault referral centres. a bbc investigation has uncovered that some young victims of sexual assault are not being examined in the necessary time period dr helena thornton, who reviews video recordings of examinations, says she has seen an examination where the clinician was wearing no gloves, and a child examined in a way that should only be done under a general anaesthetic and caused unnecessary distress. i've been talking to her about her concerns.

i work as a forensic physician, looking after people who have been raped or sexually assaulted, and i also work as an expert witness, and in that role i get access to all the notes of somebody else's case. and over the years i have been doing that, i have been concerned that for some people the training and the supervision they have is really not adequate to thejob supervision they have is really not adequate to the job that we do. what kind of things have you seen that concern you? in one case i saw a child examined in a way we would not normally examine a child. a little girl is very different from an adult woman, obviously, and when we examine children we never posts swa bs examine children we never posts swabs inside the genital area, and

on one occasion i swabs inside the genital area, and on one occasion i saw a swabs inside the genital area, and on one occasion i saw a swab being put inside the genital area, which would cause pain to a little girl in a way it would not cause an adult woman. from memory, ithink she a way it would not cause an adult woman. from memory, i think she was about four. what do you think of that happening? i was shocked when i saw it. i don't think in any way it was malice on the part of the person doing it, ithink was malice on the part of the person doing it, i think it was a lack of training and supervision. and that is what concerns me and what concerns the faculty. anecdotally, we have heard that in some areas doctors or nurses have had a two day training before they are allowed to do this work, which, as i think i said, is largely unsupervised. when i see somebody, it is me, somebody called a crisis worker working with me and the person concerned, nobody else is watching me. and so we as

the faculty of forensic and legal medicine are very concerned about standards in forensic medicine. our whole reason to exist is to raise and maintain standards and so it worries us greatly when we think that people are being examined by doctors or nurses who have not had the proper training, the proper supervision and are not being encouraged to work towards those exams. what impact could your findings have on a trial, for example? there two main impact that concern me, the first is on the complainant themselves that they are going into an examination that may not be done to the best of the way it could be done. but also from the point of view of the alleged offender, he was innocent until proven guilty, of course, if the

evidence is not collected in the proper way, if the injuries or the lack of injuries is not documented in the proper way, then the evidence might not be there to support a trial. is this only an issue with some privately run providers? anecdotally, i would say that the concerns are more about the private providers. why would that be? i suppose training costs money, exams cost money member supervision to get those exams costs money, maybe that is the reason why —— and the supervision to get those exams costs money. but i don't think i can a nswer money. but i don't think i can answer for others. dr helena thornton. let's speak now to peter saunders — who is from the national association for people abused in childhood. how do you respond to what dr helena thornton was telling us? it is a

scandal. i would join baroness new love, the victims commissioner, in saying this is beyond shocking. we are talking about children vulnerable people that have suffered the most vile crimes. they should be going to a place of complete safety and having the best treatment available. and i have to say that i think part of this, it is not a political thing, but for 40 years we have had an obsession with privatising everything that moves, andi privatising everything that moves, and i think there is a place, obviously, for the private sector, absolutely. we live in a mixed economy. but there are certain services, and we have discussed them before, whether it be health services, the prison service and other services, that are farmed out to private enterprise, and private enterprises motivated by money, and dr helena thornton alluded to this when she said there is a cost involved in getting these procedures

right. it is not all private referral centres, but some? it is indeed some. the ones that i have heard about over the years that have been very poor have, coincidentally perhaps, been the privately run organisations, as opposed to the stage run once, which do an extremely good job. yeah. your charity represents people abused in childhood, as you said, what impact might it have on a child or young person is this very sensitive and delicate work, if i can put it like that, is not carried out carefully while they are being examined? our organisation, we heard from more than 100,000 people last year, we area than 100,000 people last year, we are a small charity. thanks to the publicity that we get from people like yourself, people hear about us and consumers. the devastation

caused by abuse is often lifelong, the devastation caused by the potential re—abuse, which is what we are talking about, i know it is only in pockets but it is still devastating for the victims, will potentially last a lifetime. i would appeal to those organisations, i will not name them but we know who they are, that are given these contracts, and shame on governments and successive governments to award contracts and successive governments to award co ntra cts to and successive governments to award contracts to companies that co nsta ntly let contracts to companies that constantly let people down. i think those companies should contact organisations like ours, we provide training around working with survivors of abuse, not be to rensburg —— forensic stuff at doctor thornton was talking about, although what you describe is extremely worrying in this day and age that such inappropriate examinations are taking place... but you are saying if it is not done correctly then ed traumatises a very vulnerable child ain? traumatises a very vulnerable child again? we have discussed it before, victoria. when children are being

abused, sometimes they are not aware of what is happening to them, and to have these procedures done inappropriately will store up in their memory horrendous, horrendous scenarios that will come back to haunt them, and that is when we get calls at napac, we have a freephone helpline inundated every day with people still suffering, often decades later, from having suffered abuse and occasionally not having had the appropriate response when they have the courage or strength to report it. i have a statement from nhs england, they commissioned these services with police and crime commissioner ‘s. they say they have not been aware of any of these concerns, saying we not been aware of any of these concerns, saying we would strongly encourage those involved to report these serious allegations to the forensic regulator. that is the message we give when we hear of these kinds of complaints, and we do occasionally, and others, we say,

please report it to the relevant authorities. thank you very much for coming on the programme. you are welcome, happy new year. thank you for your many messages about our interview with labour mp stephen doughty and labour mp jess interview with labour mp stephen doughty and labour mpjess phillips about the abuse and harassment they say that some mps have been getting. and some journalists and others going about their jobs and some journalists and others going about theirjobs outside parliament. they have written to the head of the police marker —— met. one text says i have no sympathy with anna soubry, she has constantly sneered at, derided and looked down on the public, especially brexiteers and is constantly trying to stop brexit. she is a traitor and a nice democracy even though her constituents voted for brexit. that legrand denies democracy. another text says that was the iceberg tip of the former silent majority, frustrated by being told we don't know what we wanted all we don't understand the issues. we do. we

did. protest is legal, free speech is our right as a nation. and the police were there, if real violence had occurred they would have acted. richard says i am ashamed of the behaviour by some people. i have been egged, hit with a gatepost, had half a house brick thrown at me and spat out in my face as well as threats to my family and my cat! if people disagree with me let me know in the voting booth, do not terrorise me for doing what the majority of my electors agreed with in the democratic process. keep your emails coming. still to come: we'll be talking to dean, who is the partner of natasha sale who died just after christmas of cervical cancer. she was campaigning to lower the cervical screening age for cervical cancer from 25 to 18.

we will talk to dean in the next half hour. something dark is happening on the internet. over the past year many social media influencers around the world have been talking about anxiety, depression and burn—out on their platforms. is there a crisis of anxiety online and if so, why? our population reporter stephanie hegarty met with some of those making a living from posting on instagram, youtube and tiktok to find out why so many of them are talking about their mental health right now. from her flat in mexico city, nina dante posts to more

than three million followers on several platforms. but earlier this year, her work started taking a toll on her mental health. 5494 likes or views. yeah, likes. views. so what is it like to have 2.7 million friends? do you think it's healthy? no. a few months ago, the pressure of churning out content and not disappointing herfans got too much. nina started seeing a therapist

who has helped her realise the difference between her real life and her online world. it's pretty clear that nina has a healthy attitude towards what she does. she's really professional and she is dedicated. she takes it seriously. but even she felt suicidal at one point because of this job. there is something deeply unsettling

about this world and the effect that this kind of work is having on people. what's good, everybody? my name is bobby burns. i've been doing youtube for 11 years and i currently live in los angeles, california. apparently i'm the poster child for internet burn—out, so, yeah. overall i was looking at all the different channels and i think i've put out 900 to 1000 videos. it's a lot. so basically i lived in youtube for years and years and years. hey, guys, so today's video is about being a child and having people know you for the art that you are making. bobby moved to la last february to capitalise on a beaming youtube career but it hasn't worked out as planned. i did a video on shane dawson, who is a really large youtube... oh, my god.

that's a good sign. you smell good. oh, you do smell good. and then i moved out here to do a series with him on his youtube channel. i'm so unbelievably excited for this, dude. i'm leaving tomorrow, i'm moving to la. it kind of fell apart, it didn't really work. that feeling of letting down an audience is probably the most crushing feeling i've ever experienced. he started getting a huge amount of abuse online. i think bobby's lost his mind after meeting shane. imagine trying to be imitating him with the name bobby. are you ok, bobby? you look retarded. do you not worry that this is really bad for you? no, i know it's bad. i don't think i'm handling this in a good way. but you are still doing it. of course. everyone knows this is bad for them. no one thinks that it's not. a film with the bbc. yeah. guinea pig for bbc. why is youtube so toxic? i don't think it's just youtube. it's just putting your personality out for people

to judge on the internet is what you're doing. you're creating a fake personality that people are supposed to think is you. do you think that what you've gone through is relevant for other people who aren't influencers, who are just normal social media users? imean... especially younger people. i mean, as far as understanding that it does affect your mental health, understanding that the validation that you get from a post, the lack of that validation can create like a hole that nothing else fills. it is an addiction. this hole that bobby is talking about, this constant search for validation online, i wonder if it is having a more profound effect than we realise. social anxiety is a huge problem in young people today. olivia has been studying anxiety for the past five years at cambridge university.

when you are on social media, it's all about acquiring as many superficial friends as you can very quickly but this is all very shallow. it doesn't contribute to a healthy sense of self—esteem, and that's why we are experiencing symptoms like anxiety and depression later on. we are on top of the roof of the place that i live. someone being a piece of... i don't know. why do people feel that they can send these insults directly? well, because they can. because they can and i am allowing them to. and i'm reading it. do you respond? no. any time i respond to a dm, that's like, you piece of whatever, they are like, oh, my god, i'm your biggest fan and i've been wanting to talk to you forever. i can't believe you have finally responded and sent all these happy emojis.

so they just want your attention? yeah. they want your attention over anything. that's mad. yip. we are all stilljust guinea pigs in this mind game that we still don't quite understand. i feel like it's going to be ten years, 15 years from now, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens to me and everybody else who's doing this right now. do you want to become a social worker? it's stressful, hard work, you're making decisions that in some cases are life or death and, if you get it very wrong, you're likely to be pilloried by the media and public. today the government has announced funding to train 900 people to become social workers working with vulnerable children. but with large numbers of social workers leaving the profession citing stress, high workloads and insufficient support, will these new recruits last? let's talk to a new recruit, sophie buckler, who finished training as a social worker with the social work charity front

line a year ago. becky reynolds has been a registered social worker for ten years and now also works for the british association of social workers. and maggie mellon is in edinburgh. she has been a qualified social worker for more than 40 years, previously working in local authorities, and more recently working as an independent social worker. what's your motivation for being a social worker? you are the newest qualified. you are the newest qualifiedm you are the newest qualified. it is working with children and families that perhaps do not have the opportunity to thrive and to reach theirfull opportunity to thrive and to reach their full potential and there are a lot of members of our society that need help and support to do that, and to help new generations of people that are going to go out and change the world. everyone should be given that opportunity. that is why i made my transition into social work. from the wine trade to social

work. from the wine trade to social work. we will come back to that. maggie, why do you love being a social worker? i do maggie, why do you love being a socialworker? i do not maggie, why do you love being a social worker? i do not always love it. i do like to help people. a major thing for me throughout my career has been about injustice. i get... ido career has been about injustice. i get... i do like a battle if you like but not against the people i am working with. i like to advocate for people and try to achieve more justice for people in their situation. usually it is not their choices or theirfault situation. usually it is not their choices or their fault that has led them to where they are. that is my motivation. what is yours? i came from working with children involved in anti—social and criminal behaviour and i saw of important social work could be the changing outcomes for those children and how positive that is in that child's life and that has carried on throughout my career. training, i understand, is over two years,

although you qualify after one year and that involves the five—week residential speedy bit and then lots of placements. yes. do you genuinely feel ready to go into potentially a vulnerable child's home and make a decision about the rest of their life? from the start you are not just left out into the world so you do your five—week residential and you are placed... i was placed into kingston richmond and you work with a consultant qualified social worker who has quite a lot of experience and you working unit models so you are never alone from the start. you have your consultant social worker who will do those first visits with you, help you to meet the family, ta ke you, help you to meet the family, take the lead on those difficult conversations that you perhaps do not know how to have at that point, but it helps you build up that experience and get a feel of how when you are in that position and

when you are in that position and when you are ready, either you being ready and your consultant social worker seeing you are ready, you have that experience. do you think that training is enough?” have that experience. do you think that training is enough? i will leave it up to current academics who run courses to defend their position but what i would say is that this is notjust a but what i would say is that this is not just a problem but what i would say is that this is notjust a problem or simply but what i would say is that this is not just a problem or simply a problem of finding the right people for the job, it is also about the job itself and what the job has become. they have said some encouraging things about wanting to change social work but to just imagine about how it is currently practice and what social workers are expected to do and the climate and risk averse environment that they are expected to work in, i do not think that is going to work i think front line will have the same problems with people within the

profession unless there is radical changes to the job so that it is about helping people and not about endless investigations, suspicion of payments, with the aim of finding one parent who is dangerous and bad ina one parent who is dangerous and bad in a whole crop of parents who really need some support and help. that is what drives people out of the profession and drives workers into bad states of mental health. becky, do you agree? the climate is not as it should be according to maggie who has been doing this for four decades. we are in difficult times. independent research was completed last year with social workers responding about working conditions talking about how tough it can be every day, extra hours people are working, and what it showed was that 40% of respondents we re showed was that 40% of respondents were thinking of leaving social work. it is not all negative. we can

change the working conditions. we can work together, politicians, employers, academics, we can work together to change working conditions which will change social work. you are talking about an approach. absolutely. boilthe work. you are talking about an approach. absolutely. boil the stone for our audience, i want to know more about social work, what is going on on a daily basis you are not keen on? and increasing policing of families and parenting and suspicion of parents, which has been fuelled a lot by what has happened to social workers who have been involved weather has been a tragedy, which nobody wants. nobody goes into social work thinking they do not ca re social work thinking they do not care if a child dies, of course we care, but when they get pilloried, there has not been an increase in children being injured or hurt by their parents, families generally do

area be good job most of the time and some of them in terrible situations. they need support and sympathy, not somebody on their back telling them how to bring up their children and whether they should have this toy or that toy. the stories you hear about how social workers have tried to implement this awful responsibility to keep every child notjust awful responsibility to keep every child not just safe awful responsibility to keep every child notjust safe but awful responsibility to keep every child not just safe but to give them what that particular worker feels is the ideal situation, that pressure and the idea of feeling and what that does to families and families' trust in the system and social workers is appalling. i get emails all the time from families about what has happened and asking me to explain to them what is going on. we have to leave it there. thank you. a woman who launched a petition

to lower the screening age for cervical cancer to 18 reached her target — days after she died from the disease. 31—year—old natasha sale set up a facebook campaign called natasha's army. for her idea to screen women from the age of 18 upwards to be discussed in parliament, she needed 100,000 signatures by february. when she died on the 28th of december, she'd reached about 80,000 but by this weekend the target was hit and it's still climbing and has more than 113,000 signatures now. it means a debate in parliament to change guidelines can now be triggered. at the moment, women are first invited into the screening programme just before their 25th birthday and then will be asked to go for a smear test every three years up to the age of 49. let's talk now to natasha's partner dean edwards. he has brought two of their children, ella, who's11, and lily, who's nine, and dean's aunt dawn henley, who helped launch the campaign with natasha.

how are you and the family doing? we are not doing too bad. we have put together as a family. we have a strong network of friends and family to help. yeah. i know it is natasha's funeral this friday and you were telling me that she has left instructions. you wanted she wa nted left instructions. you wanted she wanted it to a celebration. very true. she wanted everyone to wear something pink, a pink tie for men or whatever else, one of her friends is wearing a pink tutu. that was what was discussed between them. woman? yes. so the family members are going to have red roses to throw into... on top of the coffin. and

the friends... have got pink. they have got pink roses. what are you going to wear? we are going to get outfits tomorrow for the funeral. i am going to get a nice black and pink dress. that sounds lovely. what would you say to your audience that your mum was like? if i were to go backin your mum was like? if i were to go back in time i would not change her. she is perfect. that is the most gorgeous tribute. what would you say? she is brave and strong and i would not change any way. do you think you take after her? yes. most definitely. i think you might. think you take after her? yes. most

definitely. ithink you might. it is really tragic. it is really hard but you are determined to keep this going. why? i am determined to help with the girls but i would like to clarify that natasha's army are the ones who helped with natasha more than i did. i have been with the girls and helping but natasha's army and herfriends girls and helping but natasha's army and her friends have girls and helping but natasha's army and herfriends have been doing more. that is fine. we are miles apart, we are other sides of the country, but we have done a lot. i have been helping to promote it with the girls. it is tremendous. why was it so important to her to get this campaign, at leasta it so important to her to get this campaign, at least a debate in parliament to reduce the age for which you are called for a smear tests to check for cervical cancer? there have been campaigns before. when she was diagnosed in 2016 she

was given three to five years and heraim was to was given three to five years and her aim was to try to get it done and she would have had longer to do that but as the cancer progressed it shortened that time. she wanted to do it when she was diagnosed to bring awareness to the younger woman that you should go at a younger age because maybe if she had that chance possibly could have saved her life or helped with the treatment for her to have a few more years.” or helped with the treatment for her to have a few more years. i was looking at the public health england website and it explains why women are called before their 25th birthday rather than younger and it says because cervical cancer in young women is extremely rare and often if you were screened an abnormality might be picked up which would sort itself out naturally and they ad of women undergo unnecessary treatment earlier in life it can have an adverse effect on pregnancies with babies possibly

being born prematurely. what do you say to them? it is all about prevention. we are trying to get that put through for natasha and four children to see a change and that would be good for yourselves in the memory of their mum. i think it should be lowered. what they say could be correct but unless you are given the chance to go it could have prevented it getting as bad as it was for natasha. catching it at an earlier stage, isn't it? more chance. also if that does happen the 1000 and we get the smear test lowered to 18 then we would like to make the name of it too... natasha's law. so we would have a memory of her in law. again, we know what the

medics say and public health england say, but you would expect this debate is to happen in parliament at least. definitely. i do debate is to happen in parliament at least. definitely. ido not debate is to happen in parliament at least. definitely. i do not think they are going to be able to not notice this. absolutely. thank you. thank you. this is to do with anna soubry being called a nazi yesterday and it looked as if she was being jostled yesterday. mps have written to the boss of the boss of the metropolitan police, cressida dick, to express concerns about security outside parliament. they have released a statement

saying police assess whether a crime has been assessed following a third—party report of the public order offence on monday the 7th of january. if the crime has been committed the matter will be fully investigated. there has been no arrest at this stage. an ongoing investigation continues and we have an appropriate policing plan in place. which is interesting because the labour mp who coordinated this letter was calling on our programme for a review of the policing operation at college green. the police say they have an appropriate policing plan in place and their role is to facilitate peaceful protest. we will deal robustly with incidents of harassment and abuse against anybody when it constitutes against anybody when it constitutes a can annul offence. officers have been briefed to intervene appropriately where they hear or see breaches of the law. a little earlier, i questioned labour mp stephen doughty

after he said he had seen evidence showing that those abusing anna soubry were right—wing extremists. i also spoke to labour mp jess phillips, who gave her opinion on the aims of the protesters outside parliament. you're pointing out what you say are the extreme right—wing connections that you have seen evidence of. our audience knows that the right—wing extremist thomas mair was jailed for killing your colleague, labour mp jo cox. are you saying that is something that could happen again if the police don't step in? yes, absolutely, and let's not forget this is notjust mps who are being threatened. this is major broadcasters, individuals going about theirjob reporting on the news of the day and being called slags, being told to f—off back to their own countries, being threatened with violence, rape, asjess has pointed out on many occasions. a lot of this, let's be frank, is targeted at women. it is not targeted to debate, it is

targeted to hurt. these people are not trying to change minds. they are not trying to change minds. they are not trying to take part in democracy or lobby us, they are trying to frighten us so that we do something different so when i am reminded my friend was murdered in the street maybe i will not come on the television and talk about it. in 2016 labour mpjo cox was murdered in her constituency in west yorkshire. catherine anderson is ceo of the jo cox foundation. what do you think needs to happen? numerous parties need to acknowledge that this is a tipping point. political parties themselves who ought to come together and think about forming some consensus on how we tackle intimidation of people in public life. online platforms need

to do more, potentially implement more tools so we to do more, potentially implement more tools so we can to do more, potentially implement more tools so we can call this out more tools so we can call this out more easily as members of the public. there is a lot of calling out of this horrendous abuse we are witnessing but what do we physically do about it? that is the question. the net believe they have an appropriate leasing plan in place for outside parliament. do you agree? no. clearly people like anna soubry and other mps are not able to walk around the palace and to their departments and back without being attacked verbally and the question is when does insulting language escalates to physical abuse? that is incredibly worrying and it pains me to say we can only think about what happened to jo and to say we can only think about what happened tojo and be very concerned about whether that can happen again. do you believe it could? of course.

it just takes one do you believe it could? of course. itjust takes one person to go for into that territory. thank you. we are back tomorrow at 10am. this year so far has been pretty cloudy but today we are going to see a nice change with some sunshine because for many of us it is sunny. that is the scene in warwickshire. a bit more cloud across eastern parts of england and a bit of cloud moving into northern ireland but foremost it is sunny spells this afternoon. gusty winds along the eastern costs of the uk. a layered day compared to

yesterday with maximum temperatures six — yesterday with maximum temperatures six—9 yesterday with maximum temperatures six — 9 degrees. some cloud affecting eastern areas with the occasional shower and cloud moving into the west. temperatures above freezing but in central areas we are expecting a frost with temperatures down to minus chilly or minus two. a lovely start to the day on wednesday. cloud in the east, some in the west, but in between there will be some sunshine. a little bit chilly with temperatures five to seven celsius. you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning.

mps who don't want to leave the eu without a deal will try to limit the government's ability to prepare for it without —— in the event of a no deal brexit. police say they'll deal robustly with anyone who commits a criminal offence outside parliament — after a conservative mp was confronted yesterday. crowd: soubry is a nazi! soubry is a nazi! well, apologies to you if you're offended by that. ijust think this is astonishing. the former first minister alex salmond arrives at court for a hearing, as part of his legal challenge against the scottish government over its handling of sexual misconduct complaints against him. some child victims of sexual assault are being failed by privately run forensics centres — that's according to a bbc investigation. and three—quarters of penguins that end up stranded