hello, it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. at least eight men have killed themselves in the uk after being caught by so called "paedophile hunters", this programme can reveal. today we talk to the daughter of one of them. the first time she found out her dad was accused of being a paedophile, was when she saw a video of him on facebook being confronted by hunters. because i wasn't thinking... ..and i showed her the video. it was on facebook. i could already see what mutual friends had viewed it, so it was out there, there was nothing i could do. we've brought her together with one of these hunters to talk about the impact such tactics have on the relatives of the accused. also today, the film the favourite gets 12 nominations at this year's baftas, including for three of its stars, olivia colman, emma stone and rachel weisz. so, my secrets are safe with you?

all of them. good. even your biggest secret. abigail... gunshot we'll bring you details of all the nominations. and r kelly is now being investigated after that documentary in which several woman come forward to claim they were sexually abused, controlled and manipulated by him. we speak to one of those women, lizzette, in herfirst uk interview, who alleged r kelly had sex with her shen she was underage. he came to the party, took me upstairs to the room. i was really, like, out of it, but i do remember we had sex. we'll bring you that interview in

the next hour. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. are you, have you been involved in so—called paedophile hunting? do you think what they do is legitimate? we'll birng you our exclusive film in a moment where the daughter we'll bring you our exclusive film in a moment where the daughter of a man who killed himself after being filmed on social media in a sting by such people meets one of these men who sets out to trap alleged paedohpiles. use the hashtag #victorialive. now, a summary of the day's news. president trump has used a televised address from the oval office to demand the us congress pays for his long—promised border wall with mexico. he said the barrier was needed to stop what he called a growing humanitarian and security crisis. democrats are refusing to fund the wall, in a dispute that has forced parts of the federal government to close. the border wall would very quickly pay for itself. the cost of illegal drugs exceeds

$500 billion a year — vastly more than the $5.7 billion we have requested from congress. at least eight men have killed themselves in the uk after being labelled child sex offenders on social media by so—called paedophile hunters, this programme has found. typically, these "hunters" pretend to be children in online chat rooms and wait for men to lure them into meetings. they then film the suspect, and put the videos on social media, sometimes live and often before an arrest is made. and we'll have a full report on this, just after this news summary. mps resume their debate on theresa may's brexit deal today, a month after it was abruptly halted. senior mps have put forward an amendment that seeks to give parliament greater control over brexit if the prime minister loses the vote. last night, the government narrowly lost a commons vote on an amendment, designed to make it more difficult for the uk to leave the eu without a deal. mps are due to take part in a crucial vote on the plans next tuesday.

the military has been called in to help heathrow airport deal with the threat posed by rogue drones. departures from the airport were halted last night for an hour, after a drone was sighted. a criminal investigation has been launched. a 14—year—old boy who was involved in a crash on his moped has been stabbed to death in an east london street. police say that following the crash with a car, it's believed that three males got out and stabbed the victim before returning to the vehicle and driving off. police are now trying to find the three suspects. a saudi woman who fled her family and barricaded herself into a bangkok hotel has been declared a legitimate refugee by the united nations and referred to australian authorities. rahaf mohammed al-ounun arrived in the thai capital at the weekend. she says she has renounced islam and fears her family will kill her if she returns. that's a summary of the main news — back to you, victoria. later in the programme, we'll talk to former detective

the who masterminded the hunt for serial killer levi bellfield, colin sutton. he says that since an itv drama into the investigation this week, three more alleged victims of bellfield have come forward. do get in touch with us throughout the morning. use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. our programme can reveal that at least 8 men have killed at least eight men have killed themselves in the uk after being exposed online by so—called paedophile hunters. typically, these "hunters" pretend to be children in online chat rooms and wait for men to lure them into meetings. they then film the suspect, and put the videos on social media, sometimes live and often before an arrest is made. but what's it like for those left behind after these suicides? their last memory — their relative being called a sex offender online. but often before a police investigation, and before any chance to even talk to them

about the accusations. catrin nye has been to meet a woman who has lived through exactly this. hello, mate. you've arranged to meet a 14—year—old boy here today, for sex? no. yes, you have, mate. do you want me to get the stuff out and show you? i've got all the chat log there, buddy, it's all screenshoted, it's all there. the police are on their way right now. you're joking? i'm a paedophile hunter, mate, that's what i do. i'm afraid you're under citizens arrest, i'm not going to let you go anywhere, ok? no, please. this is a sting by a british paedophile hunter. yes, but i've never been with one. they‘ re dramatic, compelling and sometimes help put sex offenders behind bars, but there are other consequences. they're robbing those people of justice. it's us that have to pick up the pieces. we have found a string of suicides. the colour drains from his face and he knows that he's in trouble. what sort of messages, robert?

and the unanswered questions left by them. my life's over. what's he done? there's your dad? yes, that's my dad, there. daddy's girl. they're the only ones i've got with him on the day. i loved him to bits. he was a born entertainer. he didn't write his speech or anything, just straight off the cuff on the day. we used to chat about anything and everything. he was the person who if i was upset, i would go to. all i wanted was a cuddle off my daddy. it was a close relationship, but then one sunday, leslie was at home with her daughter and a message came through on her phone. my friend, just saying, "oh, look, i don't really know how to say this to you,

leslie, but there is a video going around on facebook. it's your dad." and then i saw the video. leslie's dad, michael duff, had been filmed in one of these stings by a paedophile hunter group. he thought he was meeting a 15—year—old girl. i just sort of like sat in shock and i must have been screaming because my daughter... ..my daughter was upstairs. she was only 15 at the time. she came down because she could hear me screaming. and she asked me what was wrong. and i have to live with the fact for the rest of my life, because i wasn't thinking... and i showed her the video. it was on facebook and i could already see what mutual friends had viewed it, so it was out there. there was nothing i could do.

i never spoke to him again. nothing? michael handed himself into the police that day and had his computers confiscated, but he was released after questioning and two days later, he killed himself. the so—called paedophile hunters that carried out the sting disappeared. michael duff's case isn't isolated. we found at least seven other people who've killed themselves after being confronted by paedophile hunters. the majority of these men took their own lives within days of being filmed and then put all over social media. and, crucially, that means before police charged them with anything. hi, is thatjamie? i've come to meet someone

on the other side of this story. see you in a sec. jamie? jamie lee is a prolific paedophile hunter. he doesn't want to show us his face. if you find young boys in school uniform attractive, what are you? do you like young boys? yes, but i've never been with one. this man killed himself afterjamie‘s sting. in this case, it was after conviction and serving prison time, but it was still a huge shock. he admitted everything once he realised that was it, and that he'd been caught red—handed. never expected this to happen, though. my goal is for these men to face what they've done. i was devastated when i found out robert had killed himself. more so for his family. i'm not going to lie, i'm still telling myself it's not my fault. i just feel slightly guilty that a man has lost his life because maybe of my actions and the way i approached it. while he believes in his cause, jamie is starting to worry about the tactics used by paedophile hunters and so are the national police chiefs council,

the body that oversees police forces. they're concerned about undermining police investigations with poor evidence, vigilante retaliation and suicides. for leslie, one of the biggest problems is not knowing what her father has actually done — or not done. i understand why people will say but the fault was there but the reality is he might not have actually committed any crime at all. we don't know. because as soon as he committed suicide, the case was closed. all leslie has now is questions and no way of getting answers to them. how did my dad do anything like that? how was my dad associated with anything like that? it's not the dad that i grew up with, the dad that i loved. he had a grandchild the same age. and then as if all of that wasn't bad enough, then you have to deal with other people's reactions to it.

and that's when the real fun begins. i've had threats, threatening to rape me, rape my daughter. someone even posted a video of leslie's dad's dead body on facebook and tagged her in it. being carried him from the house to the ambulance in his body bag, that was put on facebook. by someone i knew. just, look, there's the paedophile being carried out, that's another one dead. he's still my dad. i've always wanted to meet a hunter, because i want to understand why it is that they do what they do. why they need to be so public about it, and post it on social media so everyone gets to see it? hello? hi, jamie, you all right? i was wondering if you'd be willing

to meet up with her... we're trying to arrange a meeting between leslie and jamie, the hunter. what if when he starts explaining why they post it online and everything, will that change my views on it being posted online? jamie's now agreed to show his face. hi. leslie, this is jamie. hi, nice to meet you. at this point, i leave jamie and leslie to their conversation. this will be the first time i've been on tv or any sort of thing like that, where my face is shown, because i don't want people to go, "there's that guy that does that, isn't it great? " not great, it's not great, it's horrible. i haved to talk to these people, i have to listen

to what they want to do to children. it makes me sick. because, obviously, you're one of the online hunters, how did you get into that? i've had previous history of abuse in my family. it was actually my mum's husband, not my father, someone else she married, he abused me. he got five years in prison — didn't serve five years. we didn't really get much help, with regards to mental health afterwards. it's notjust the abuse that messes a family up, it's afterwards. it's years, it stays forever. but if i can stop that happening to somebody else, then i will do with all my strength, you know what i mean? i think people should know these people and what they look like and what they're capable of. i understand wanting to work with the police and get convictions, but why is there the need to then live stream it and put it on facebook? because i don't think people give enough exposure to the people who are dangerous to our children. it's awkward, because if you get it wrong, it can be disastrous. you're not just

exposing that person? no. at no point is itjust that person that's exposed. you're then exposing all of theirfamily. my argument's always been, not live streaming it and then it comes out in the paper, it's still going to come out. it is. they're still going to get the stick, they're still going to know who you are, they're still going to know who your kids are and what school they go to add your name. what's the difference ? i think with my dad, the group who got my dad, posted that viral, they've potentially robbed victims of any criminaljustice at all. because of the way it was dealt with and the way it was handled, putting it all over facebook. so, i don't know what was on my dad's computer, if anything, and i'm never, ever going to know because somebody deemed to put it all over facebook, instead of letting the police deal with it and it be dealt with in the correct way. yeah. i can understand your frustration and anger completely. meeting people like you, it's painful.

i've stung god knows how many people, every one of them's got a family. thinking the same as you. they must hate me, they must do. it's not a profession. we don't claim to be a profession, we're just trying to do the right thing. but you've got to worry about some of these people and that's why i said you don't even know your dad was... they've not offered you any proof apart from the video and that winds me up. if i was that team, i would say there you go and i would give you the whole, from start to finish, everything he'd said to this child. that's what i would personally do for you. let's hear more from jamie lee, who you saw in the film

there, and also dan vajzovic, from the national police chiefs council — he leads their response to online activist groups and has concerns about their activities. well, i think the first thing that i wanted to get across to jamie is that tackling child abuse is one of the top priorities for the uk police and every force in the country who is involved in that fight. every month, we arrest more than 400 perpetrators of child abuse and we protect more than 500 children. and this is going to be a significant priority for us, but it's the police that are best placed to deal with this type of abuse. and how do you respond to that, jamie? i would say that almost 50% of last year's convictions were because of teams like us. when it's done properly and within the law, i think it's, i think it's fine. i think it should be possibly regulated, even,

to get rid of the people that are doing it and causing problems for cases. but my answer is that those convictions, just remember that nearly 50% are because of us. and that's fact, printed by the bbc, as well. ourfigures,jamie, across the uk are there are just over 100 stings a month. we're arresting about 400 people a month. so in terms of the contribution, i'm not saying it's an insignificant contribution, but the police are the best placed agency to deal with this. the reason is that our officers are trained to protect victims of child abuse. so when a sting takes place, we can make sure that we're protecting any children of the person that is arrested. we can make sure that the family of the person who's arrested, who are quite often innocent, can be supported. we make sure that the person who is arrested is safeguarded, so that they don't pose a threat

to themselves and we make sure that there's no vigilante activity. when stings take place... that's why we pass them to the police. we do the sting and we pass them to you in full confidence that you guys will do your side of the job. 0k. so, my response to that would be that child abuse is a really important area of business for the police and we are redoubling our efforts. if members of the public want to get involved in supporting us, there are a number of ways in which they can do that without becoming activists. so, if you google "citizens in policing" and look at the opportunities whether to become a special constable or a police volunteer, there are lots of ways that members of the public can get involved in this fight and we do understand people's desire to tackle child abuse and we'd encourage them to work with us in that regard. how do you react to the fact that we have found that eight men have taken their own lives after being shown online in one of the so—called stings?

it's a tragedy. and no matter what we do, people who are arrested for child abuse are particularly vulnerable and may self—harm. that's something that we, the police, are trying to reduce, the number of incidents of. when we arrest people and when we take them into custody, we make sure that prior to release from custody, we carry out a risk assessment and make referrals to agencies such as the samaritans, who can provide support to people who are in crisis. jamie, you revealed in ourfilm today that one of your motivations is because you are a survivor of sexual abuse and you have waived your right to anonymity, to speak out. i wonder if you could give our audience more insight into why that has led you to being involved in this so—called paedophile hunting? because it's notjust the abuse itself, it's the aftermath, the ripple effect of what happens. it destroys families for many years, it's not just the actual episodes of it happening, it's what happens to the family. and i want to do my best to make

sure that people don't go through the same sort of thing that my family had to go through, you know? it caused us so many problems in life. it took a long time to recover, if you want to call it that. and i don't feel like, i don't feel we should be able to go online... these people are finding us in their hundreds. why is it so easy for them to get away with sitting online talking the way they do? it seems like nothing gets done until we step up and now it's becoming a public problem, the police are getting interested in trying to get better. which is good, but it wasn't until we started doing hunting and stuff that we got in the public eye and now... it gets results, in my opinion. it's going to help stop people from suffering. if they're talking to these decoys, they're not talking to real kids, and then... we are getting charges. the 50% figure i mentioned earlier, almost 50% of the people charged, not the people arrested.

so, i think it's helping, in a way. and how do you respond to that? that jamie says it's only since they started doing what they were doing that you became interested in investigating similar cases? we've been investigating child abuse for a significant period of time and we have escalated the response that we're providing. and we are continuing to look at how we can redouble our efforts to tackle child abuse. it is one of the national priorities for uk policing, as i've said previously. what i'd like to get across to jamie is that we do have some concerns about the activity of activist groups. so whilst there are some positive results from their activities, in terms of criminal convictions and prosecutions, which is to be, which is a positive outcome, we do have concerns that, as i've said, only the police are in the right place to be able to safeguard both victims, further offenders, get arrested as a result of our activity.

we can link offenders to other offenders, which activist groups can't do. and we're concerned that some activist groups are masking criminal activity, such as extortion, where they're deliberately targeting vulnerable people, who may or may not be involved in child abuse, and extorting them and that is resulting in some suicides, as you've reported. you must accept that, jamie? that you can't possibly see the big picture in the way a police officer can? you don't know about other victims, you don't know about safeguarding children, you don't know about wider criminal activities or gangs? you're speculating we don't know, but obviously the police are the authority. obviously it's better in their hands and i agree, but we do put it in the police's hands. with regards to some of these cowboy teams, you're absolutely right, there's plenty of them and it's them that make us look bad. that's why there should be a regulation, with regards to the teams that are successful and go and do this then, all within the law and respectfully, reasonably respectfully.

or you could simply trust the police to do it? well, we've done that for years and it's not really, we shouldn't still be able to find this many people every day trying to contact our children. these people are reoffending. that's why we spread their faces out there, because they are reoffending. they're getting arrested, being left with the police and they're out the next week doing it again. mr vajzovic, it doesn't sound like you are going to be able to stop people continuing in these kinds of activities, despite what you've said this morning? no. at this stage, there is no legislation that prevents people carrying out activities online, as jamie's groups have previously done. what i would say is that i would encourage any groups that are out there to stop short of carrying out real world activity. so if they pass packages, if they're insistent on carrying on being activists, if they identify a suspect, if they pass that to the police prior to carrying out a sting, then that does reduce some of the risks that the activity of these groups poses. because the earlier we know about a suspect, the earlier we can

put in place safeguards to protect further victims. so you're not, sorry, just on that point, you're not condemning what they do? you're saying there are issues with it and you're acknowledging that evidence from paedophile hunters has been used successfully. we know from an foi investigation, at least 150 convictions up to last april. so, tackling child abuse is one of the top priorities of the police. and we will investigate any allegation of child abuse, no matter where it comes from. but you're not condemning them? whilst activity is lawful, there's nothing that i can do to stop it. what i would say is we do have significant concerns about the activities of these groups. particularly where they carry out stings in the real world, where there are absolutely no safeguards to future victims, to the suspects themselves. thank you, thank you both of you, we appreciate your time. dan vajzovic from the national police chiefs council and jamie lee.

thank you. you are djemai name with a well known paedophile and when his case when public my wife received a letter from one of these are self appointed paedophile police telling her how i was a pervert and all that i deserve to. —— i share my name... tha nkfully i deserve to. —— i share my name... thankfully i have a long and trusting marriage. this one from emma... iwould trusting marriage. this one from emma... i would go into chat rooms with my friends when i was 13 and we would have many older men wanting to meet up and have six with us. this happened every time. they would be very sexual in their words and they all made it plain that we liked young girls. when it got too much we would tell them we were investigating them for being paedophiles and they were under observation and this is all we

thought we could do. i don't know if it helps but i believe that if the police aren't more present online, i am happy that there are paedophile hunters out there because paedophiles are vile. adam says... it should be illegalfor the hunters to broadcast their stings live in real—time or at least wait until the person has been convicted. they may have sufficient evidence to prove guilt but surely they are still innocent until proven guilty. and if just one person is stung incorrectly, it is one too many, given the huge impact this can have on someone‘s life. keep those coming still to come... as a police investigation is launched into sexual asssault allegations against r kelly after multiple claims were made against him in a new documentatry, we'll talk to one of the women who's come forward in her first uk interview. ididn't i didn't know what... i felt, i didn't know what... ifelt, how do i get this guy off me? i woke up the

next morning feeling ashamed... but he's so manipulative. the nominations for the baftas arwards have been announced this morning. olivia colman‘s film the favourite leads the race with 12 nominations. it comes days after colman won a golden globe for playing queen anne in the period comedy—drama. our entertainment correspondent lizo mzimba was at the nominations earlier. 12 common yes, not quite the record, i think gandhi in 1982 got 16 so still some way to go to beat that! but yes, an incredibly strong showing, the favourite living up to its name with that number of nominations this morning, leading the way by a considerable margin. and of course it is a 18th—century period drama about queen anne played by olivia colman, strong supporting roles from emma stone and rachel weisz as well. and one year on since

me, too, it is being seen as significant and appropriate that a film that has three female characters at the centre, driving the story forward, who are not love interests, they are not the best friend, if they are not the secondary character, they're the movie, that a film like this is being celebrated in this way. and a star is born? yes, it has got seven nominations, not quite as many as the favourite. lady gaga is in there with a nomination for best actress. bradley cooper has five nominations for various roles on the movie. he is in there for best director, best actor, best screenprint —— best screenplay, best original music. and what else was it...? he is in there for some! is one of the producers of the movie as well. it is hard to believe that anybody could get more than that actually alphonso churandy

martina exit in filmmaker, has got six individual nominations for his semiautobiographical film six individual nominations for his semiautobiographicalfilm roma, six individual nominations for his semiautobiographical film roma, set in mexico city, about his childhood, two and a quarter hours, black and white, spanish—language, not the most accessible film you may have thought but really loved by bafta voters and he has been nominated in best film, best foreign film, press direct the, best editing, best cinematography and of course best foreign—language movie. so that is a really strong showing from what he has done across—the—board. people have really got on board. it isa people have really got on board. it is a significant film because it is the first time netflix has had a movie nominated. and bohemian rhapsody, remi malik winning best actor at the globes, could he repeat that? people like the film. his

portrayal of freddie mercury, people have got behind him. but he has strong competition, like bradley cooper, and christian bale you please former vice president dick cheney. that was an extraordinary transformation. so competition for that role. anyone else you want to mention? steve coogan gets his first acting nomination. richard e grant for a film called can you ever forgive me, has his first ever nomination in an extraordinary career. it is the first time he has been recognised at the baftas. we remember him around the podium for his great career. and claire foy plays the wife of the astronaut neil

armstrong and she is up there in the best supporting actress category. lots of brits to look out for. it will all be decided on sunday, 03 the tenth, hosted byjoanna lumley. we will see what happens. thank you. thirty—two migrants have been stuck in the mediterranean sea off the coast of malta, with nowhere to dock for two weeks, according to campaigners. activists from the non—governmental organisation sea watch picked up the men, women and children just before christmas. the migrants had set sail from libya in a rubber boat and were found near to malta with their boat's engine broken down and leaking fuel. they've since been denied entry to all european ports. the footage you're watching of the rescue is from sea watch. lets talk to robinjenkins, from the?vale of glamorgan in wales, who was one of the volunteers on sea watch 3 until he came back last friday. they have been stuck there,

basically until you recognise them, going round and round. why did no one allow them to dock? malta had taken a lot of people in this situation and they felt the burden should be shared across europe. and there is the message being sent by europe to organisations working in the situation as a deterrent to stop people from doing this. it feels like a very cynical process of trying to eliminate ngos from working in this crisis. do you think thatis working in this crisis. do you think that is what is going on? it feels like it. your presence encourages more people, is that what they say? there are a lot of comments that we are in there as some kind of

encouragement, but we know from the stories we are hearing from people who are escaping from libya how desperate the situation is there. how horrific the conditions some of these people have had to go through. they have been through enslavement, torture, rape, false imprisonment and so on. their ambition to get out of the country is really genuine. but they are not libyans. some are. many came from sub—saharan africa to libya to start a new life. that is when things went wrong. yes. some of the stories they hear that libya is a place of opportunity, they are coming from situations in their own countries, like from southern sudan and mali, and all across that part of africa, and they are informed that libya is a place where they can make a

that libya is a place where they can makea go that libya is a place where they can make a go of it. they arrived in libya and they are exploited from the moment they arrive. some of the stories are that people have been in prison for up to six or seven years in conditions that are horrific. what will happen to them? they are 110w what will happen to them? they are now on your boat still. better to be on your boat than there. would they have died if you have not got there? their chances of survival were slim to nothing. when we got to them we recovered their boat, their engine was not working. the boats are made by very cynical organisations that supply these things on alibaba and places like that. they are not fit even to go on a pond, let alone the sea in the middle of winter. some people listening to you will be interested , people listening to you will be interested, but will also be thinking why should people in britain care about them? it is more

than just britain care about them? it is more thanjust being britain care about them? it is more than just being british, britain care about them? it is more thanjust being british, it is britain care about them? it is more than just being british, it is about being a human being. when people know more and understand the situation they become more sympathetic towards the plight of these people. this is a major issue thatis these people. this is a major issue that is happening at the moment and the figures and statistics indicate this is a huge crisis. one of my crew members said something very interesting to me when we left, we found it very hard to leave the ship and change the crew because we were ina and change the crew because we were in a devastated state, and one of my crew member said, remember we are on the right side of history. one day we will look back on this and our children and grandchildren will ask why we have not done more and why we have not been more insistent on trying to help people who are really very desperate. it shocks me and i

have 20 years of experience as a lifeboat man. i have never been asked to do a background check on who i have rescued. there are people who i have rescued. there are people who are rescued who had different political positions and backgrounds to me. one has to put certain issues to me. one has to put certain issues to one side. these are 32 people in the ship in home's way at the moment. we put them in—home's way for unnecessary reasons. thank you, robinjenkins, one for unnecessary reasons. thank you, robin jenkins, one of for unnecessary reasons. thank you, robinjenkins, one of the volunteers on sea watch three. one of the men who are part of the so called yellow vest group that has been protesting outside parliament, leading to calls for mps to be better protected, has issued a statement arguing that it's legitimate for mps to be compared to nazis. on monday, a group called anna soubry, a conservative mp, a nazi during a bbc interview and then pursued her down the street.

the person seen haranguing herb is called james goddard. james goddard's twitter page shows him pictured with the current leader of ukip, gerard batten. the caption reads: "a pleasure meeting you @gera rd battenmep". the statement from james goddard said: the statement from james goddard said: "anna soubry as well as others have consistently shown themselves willing to fight in favour of vested corporate interests, against the will of the people, and she is now trying to shut down legitimate free speech because it is inconvenient for her. this isn't about one person. ms soubry is just a symptom of the problem. but yes, those showing fascist, totalitarian, globalist tendencies should and will be compared to their greatest 20th century counterparts: the national socialist party of germany. let's talk to ukip's general secretary and immigration spokesman, paul oakely, and labour mp tonia antoniazii, who is considering changing her route to work to avoid abusive protesters outside parliament.

welcome to both of you. how well does your leader no james goddard? he does not know him at all, this is barrel scraping by the daily mail. it is just barrel scraping by the daily mail. it isjust a barrel scraping by the daily mail. it is just a selfie. you get asked for selfie is all the time and you do not know who those people are. perhaps the most famous was mark chapman with john lennon perhaps the most famous was mark chapman withjohn lennon moments before he killed him. gerard does not know this guy. what you think about the way they have been protesting? it is shocking. we do not agree with anything anna soubry stands for. we want to tickle her politically and at the ballot box. but it is appalling for a bunch of big men to barrack a woman, surround her like that and come out with silly slurs like that. the worst

thing is it has brought out some sympathy for anna soubry and her cohorts. but ukip we have been facing this for years. five years ago nigel farage was corralled into the canongate pub in edinburgh by a mob and had to be extracted by the police. most recently, last year .mac people sympathise with that situation and thought it should not have happened and it was covered across the media. some people did. but more recently, back injune at the lewisham east by—election there was a hustings attended by all the candidates. there was a hard left demonstration, the police knew about it, and the police allowed it right outside the door of the venue and they were screaming at people and hitting and spitting them and it was closed down by the police. it destroyed local democracy. we must clamp down on this across—the—board. ifjames clamp down on this across—the—board.

if james goddard or any clamp down on this across—the—board. ifjames goddard or any of the others in that group turned out to be members of ukip, will you get rid of them? as far as we know none of them are members of ukip and the well not speak for us in any way, shape orform. well not speak for us in any way, shape or form. explain why you are considering changing your route to work. from december it was frustrating when we were walking into parliament, there were a number of demonstrators. we have had peaceful demonstrators outside the parliament for nearly two years, ever since i parliament for nearly two years, eversince i remember parliament for nearly two years, ever since i remember being in there. one morning i went to show some solidarity and i could see them barracking each other with a really nasty discourse. there were banners saying mps are traitors. i walked across the road in tears. what happened to anna soubry... across the road in tears. what happened to anna soubry. .. you were crying? somebody came to me and

said, nice to meet you, and i broke down in tears because i had never experienced this in my life. parliament has changed. the last election brought in a new, fresh group into parliament. i am a mother, a sister, a daughter. would you allow anybody to be treated on their way to work, would you like their way to work, would you like the thought of them having to put up with that going to their place of work every day? no, it is absolutely wrong. i agree with paul across the political spectrum this is intolerable. a number of our viewers have pointed out in the last couple of hours, mps, the way they speak to each other in the chamber and around the chamber is not really an example, so why would you suddenly expect them to be protected outside.

the chamber is a showground for the best work in parliament. there are violent insults in the house of commons. i will be honest, violent insults in the house of commons. iwill be honest, iwas embarrassed and humiliated to be a memberof embarrassed and humiliated to be a member of parliament after what happened before christmas at prime minister's questions. that does not represent society and it is wrong. the system has to change. we are in parliament and the best on a cross—party parliament and the best on a cross— party and in parliament and the best on a cross—party and in the committees. that is what we need to build on and show the public it is not about left against wright and sound bites. we all have opinions and they differ and it is important our voices are heard. can i give you an analogy. sadly, i am heard. can i give you an analogy. sadly, iam not heard. can i give you an analogy. sadly, i am not an elected politician, but i am a barrister. we go into court to fight against each other and when we finish we have a drink and a chat and shake hands.

that is what mps should do. fight hard, but be friends outside. thank you. it's reported that three more women have come forward to say that serial killer levi bellfield attacked them after a tv drama, manhunt, about his capture, was aired earlier this week. bellfield is serving a life prison sentence for three murders, including that of milly dowler. he's also been convicted of abduction, imprisonment and attempted murder. two years ago, another of his victims — his former partnerjo collings — told me he'd raped her hundreds of times. we got punched, kicked, strangled, burnt cigarettes. strangling was quite a good one of his. if he punched you, he kept punching you in one spot, he would then punch me in that same spot because he knew how much that would hurt. were there moments when you thought he might end up killing you? there was a couple but because i fought back it was a bit of a competition for him.

he also, you say, sexually abused you, and we are grateful that you have waived your right to anonymity to talk to our audience about this. can you give us an insight into what sort of things he would do? rapes became quite a common thing. it was because we were his property, we belonged to him and whatever he wanted he did. let‘s speak to former detective colin sutton, who led the hunt for levi bellfield and masterminded his arrest. thank you for talking to us. can you tell us about these three women without showing details? yes, of course. they talk to me on twitter, one of them did it openly and

tweeted her experience, and the others sent a private message. they outlined assaults, one of them are serious assault involving drugs, that they say took place and that they were victims of 15 or more yea rs they were victims of 15 or more years ago. all of them are convinced it was levi bellfield who did it. what is it about what they saw on the drama that prompted them to contact you? i am not really sure. i think they felt a sense of somebody would listen now and they had been carrying this thing around with them for many years. in one case she said she did not want to do anything more about it, she was happy to be able to write it down in e—mails to me and explain it to me. she said writing this has been its own therapy. one does not want any more

action to be taken, but what are the options open to the other two? ultimately they can make an allegation for the police for the matter to be investigated. we all know the difficulties that surround investigating historic allegations of sexual abuse. it has been in the news very much recently. but what that does is it gives them access to the support mechanisms and counselling and other agencies that the police are very good at putting them in touch with. it is notjust a matter at looking for a prosecution, it isa matter at looking for a prosecution, it is a matter of looking to get them the help and support they need. iam more them the help and support they need. i am more than willing to pass their details on and organise that, but it is their choice. the other two are thinking about it. do you think there could be other victims who are yet to come forward? yes, i am sure.

this is not the first time it has happened. i have taken part in documentary films about levi bellfield and had the same thing, people coming forward. he was such a prolific offender and committed so many offences. many of them are not horrific or high profile like the ones we know about. but he was indecently assaulting women everywhere, all the time. i think there were scores of other victims. they may not even realise the man who assaulted them was levi bellfield, that nothing surprises me as these people come forward. thank you for coming forward to talk to us. colin sutton. colin sutton. new witnesses are being asked to come forward to help in a criminal investigation that's begun into r kelly, one of the biggest selling r&b artists in the world. the district attorney's office in georgia made the request after a new documentary was shown in the us.

the six—part series, surviving r kelly, looks at serious allegations of abuse?and conduct towards women and girls, some underage. in a uk exclusive we have spoken to lizette martinez who claims r kelly had underage sex with her. after meeting him at a shopping mall in the 1990s, she says he became jealous and contolling, turning her into someone she no longer recognised. she told me about that initial encounter with r kelly. well, i was walking and i was... i knew him, i knew of him, i never knew him but i knew of him. because i was an r&b singer and i followed that music, that genre of music. so i kind of like spotted him because there was, there could have been... with sunglasses. you could tell that there was someone important walking there. and so i said to my girlfriend,

i think that's r kelly. and she said, why would he be at the mall? and i looked at him again and i said, no, that's him. and he heard me. and he walked up to me and gave me a hug and i was, like, stunned. and he mentioned he was recording an album and i said, that's great. and i said, very nice to meet you. and that was it, he walked away. but his bodyguard came back and gave me his number and put it in my hand and said, r kelly would love for you to... when you did end up meeting him for how did he treat you? well, we met at restaurant and he... well, we met at the restaurant and i told him that i was an aspiring singer and then the conversation came up like, how old are you guys? and it was me and my best friend and i said i was 17 and we were

high school seniors. and there was not a care in the world, ok. and i said, i am an aspiring singer. and that i sang and he said, oh, that sounds so great, let's go to the studio. so, you know, iwas like really excited. and then he put his hand up my... on my knee and i was kind of taken aback. i didn't know what to do. and you have claimed in this documentary that you had underage sects with r kelly? yes, i was 17. and what was, how did that happen? he sent his friend to my school and said, robert wants you to go to the studio. and, you know, we started work on stuff but it quickly turned very sexual, i guess within the first few months. i went to a party

of his, at a party, there was a lot of women. and i felt really uncomfortable. but his friends gave me some alcohol, i was never into that stuff, but i tried it and i was 17, you try things when you're a teenager. and at the end of it, i remember, he came to the party, took me upstairs to the room, i was really like out of it, but i do remember we had sex. what do you think of that? well, while it was going on, i was... i didn't know, ifelt, how do i get this guy off me? i woke up the next morning feeling shame and not... but he's so manipulative. can you explain for our british

audience how much you say he ended up controlling you and your life? you know, this was like the first relationship in my life. and i didn't know how to build a relationship, you know, like, what anormal relationship is supposed to be, and what i am in. i grew up with domestic violence, i think that may have played a part in things that i accepted. but the controlling was... i don't like yourfriends, i don't like how you dress, yourfamily is never going to accept me, never going to like me so you just need to be with me, because i'm going to make all your dreams come true, and you have to listen to me. did he physically assault you? yeah. there was a time where,

erm, he always ran around with a huge posse, with a lot of men. and i remember there was one of his friends that said hello to me and i said, hi — what are you going to say, you're not going to say hello? and he was so angry with me. he said for me to go outside, we went outside and i'm just like, what? and he said, you're not supposed to talk to any man except me, you're not supposed to look at any other man except me. so i was basically humiliated. and that's when like the real control started. i was afraid. and i understand that one controlling aspect that you allege meant that you had to call him a certain name? yeah. it was, i am daddy.

imean... you had to call him daddy? yes. and and were you allowed to use the bathroom without his permission? anything you want to do you have to ask his permission. like what, for example? i want to eat, i want to go downstairs, i want to go to the bathroom... i want to call my parents. it's this control that you can't imagine. and you don't want to upset him because the wrath is terrible. i know you will have reflected on this many times but can you explain why you continued to meet up with him? well, that's hard to answer but i'll answer it as transparent as i can. my world became him.

and before i met him, my world was me. and he basically stripped me of myself, all my dreams, all my goals. and many abuse survivors will say that the abuser uses these tactics to mentally control you, but you really believe that this is the only person that loves you. there are a number of people who have now spoken out — what would you like to see happen now? i want the girls freed and i want the authorities to take our stories, like bible. like, this is what's going on, how much more proof do you need? we've tried multiple ways

of contacting r kelly, and he hasn't responded. he has denied wrongdoing. thank you for your messages on our film. peter says, these people are trophy hunters and they show off their scalps on social media and this very public outing of these people is like inciting filers. as a society we still do have a duty of care. gavin says, i am a father of two and a relative of ours is a suspect. i have cut all ties to protect my children, but i am grateful to these people. if the police had more money to combat these issues, then we, the people, would not have to police these people ourselves. david says, my son was 13 and groomed online buy a

37—year—old man, which included exposing himself on a webcam. we never knew until we were contacted by the police that they had seen the communications between my son and this man. otherwise we would never have seen this. i believe these people are doing a greatjob. otherwise, i believe this information should be given to the place first. we are back tomorrow at ten o'clock. have a good day. we had a rather chilly start. for some of us there was a frost this morning. that was the lovely scene this morning in west berkshire. lots of sunshine this morning and that will continue into the afternoon. a bit more cloud in eastern areas of england. cloud increasing in

northern ireland and western parts of scotland. guests elsewhere it will feel quite chilly. further south east it is chilli and in wales and the south—west there could be some frost. on thursday there will be some sunny spells, but on the whole it will be quite cloudy. this is bbc news. i'm annita mcveigh in westminster, where mps will resume their debate on theresa may's brexit plan —

a month after she cancelled a vote on it. government attempts to avert defeat by giving reassurances over the northern irish backstop, have already been dismissed by the dup as ‘meaningless‘ and ‘window dressing'. we'll bring you all the developments from westminister throughout the day. i'm joanna gosling. the other main stories this morning: a 14—year—old boy is stabbed to death by three men in east london after being knocked off his moped. police believe it was a targeted attack. the military is helping police at heathrow airport after sightings of a drone temporarily halted flights yesterday. i'm at heathrow airport, and i'll be bringing you the latest on the police investigation into what happened here yesterday.