hello. it's thursday. it's 10 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. after narrowly winning last night the confidence of mps to carry on governing, the prime minister is meeting politicians from other parties to try to break the stalemate on brexit. but the leader of the second biggest party, labour'sjeremy corbyn, is refusing to take part. jeremy's holding to the principle that all the rest of them agree with and they are all saying the same thing, but we in the labour party are saying, look, you have to show good faith. we've got a bunch of sixthformers in the studio who are following our brexit coverage for their politics a level course. they're here to question mps directly on what might happen next. the first gentleman that you so that is not a politics a—level student, he is plaid cymru's brexit spokesman, and he is here as well. —— the first gentleman that you saw

one burger a week. that's all the red meat you're supposed to eat under a new diet designed by scientists to improve your health and feed 10 billion people without destroying the planet. we'll talk to one of the experts behind the diet hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. you should only be eating this much read week apparently, according to 37 experts today writing in a medical journal the 37 experts today writing in a medicaljournal the lancet. 37 experts today writing in a medical journal the lancet. not 37 experts today writing in a medicaljournal the lancet. not only would it be way healthier for you but it would help to sustain the

planet. what do you think? let me know. you need to eat more vegeta bles know. you need to eat more vegetables and legumes, and i had to google that, chickpeas and lentils. it isa google that, chickpeas and lentils. it is a three—year project involving experts from 16 countries with experts from 16 countries with experts in health, sustainability and so on. we will talk to one of them in 15 minutes, but i want to know if this is the kind of food you eat anyway and if it is realistic, then i will put your points to the expert. send in your comments and if you want to take part in the programme, include your phone number in youremailand we programme, include your phone number in your email and we will call you back or use facetime. now a summary of the day's news with an annita mcveigh. the japanese company hitachi has announced it will suspend work on a multi—billion—pound nuclear plant in north wales. the decision follows speculation that it would scrap the £20 billion horizon nuclear facility because of concerns over rising construction costs. the japanese firm had been in talks with the uk government about funding since june. the decision puts thousands ofjobs at risk if the plant in wales is scrapped entirely.

theresa may has called on mps to put self—interest aside and work constructively together to find a way forward for brexit. the prime minister made a late night statement in downing street just a few hours after her government survived a motion of no—confidence in another day of high drama in the house of commons. a team of international experts is calling for a radical change to global eating habits to improve health and prevent potentially catastrophic damage to the planet. their report, published in the medicaljournal the lancet, calls for a huge shift from meat to vegetable consumption. in future without major changes to diet and food production techniques. figures from police forces in england and wales have revealed that fewer than a third of the gross misconduct cases brought by the police watchdog in the past three years were upheld and only five of the 48 officers were sacked. the police federation, which represents rank—and—file officers, accused the independent office

for police conduct of ordering hearings unnecessarily. clothing retailers have been told to take immediate action to ensure items they advertise as containing fake fur are not made from realfur. the uk's advertising watchdog has given them a deadline of 11th february, after which they may face sanctions. last week the advertising standards authority found online retailer boohoo had sold a pompom jumper which used realfur, most likely rabbit fur. 60 per cent of the world's coffee crops are on the verge of extinction, according to new research. scientists say that more than 100 species of wild coffee plants are now at risk, due to habitat loss and climate change. whilst the majority of the world's coffee comes from two different crops, the wild species are vital for sustaining global supplies. an indonesian woman has been mauled to death by a pet crocodile after she fell into its enclosure. the 44—year—old woman had reportedly been feeding the crocodile at the pearl farm

where she worked, and where the animal was being kept illegally. the 700kg crocodile, named merry, is thought to have bitten off her arm and most of her abdomen. the reptile has been relocated to a conservation site while authorities look for its owner. that's a summary of today's news. back to you, victoria. thank you. we are going to be talking about clothes shop to have been selling real fur items like coats but advertising it as fake fur. they have been ordered to stop right now. it comes after the advertising standards authority found online retailer boohoo had sold this jumper containing realfur probably from a rabbit in the pompoms. have we got a picture of the jumper? no, still theresa may. never mind. it isa no, still theresa may. never mind. it is a really nice jumper with fairy pom—poms on it and there is real rabbit fur in it but it is advertised as fake. we are talking about that and how would you know the difference anyway? how can you

spot the difference? we will talk about that later in the programme but first brexit. after winning last night's confidence vote in her government by a slim majority, the prime minister says she wants to talk brexit with other parties in a bid to break the political stalemate. the conversations began last night and will obviously continue. butjeremy corbyn, the leader of the second biggest party, labour, says he won't take part until mrs may rules out leaving the eu without a deal on march 29th, something the prime minister's office says she can't do. here's theresa may last night. i have just held constructive meetings with the leader of the liberal democrats and the westminster leaders of the snp and plaid cymru. from tomorrow, meetings will be taking place between senior government representatives, including myself, and groups of mps who represent the widest possible range of views from across parliament, including our confidence and supply partners, the democratic unionist party. i am disappointed that the leader of the labour party has not so far chosen to take part.

but our door remains open. it's time for us to come together, put the national interest first, and deliver on the referendum. at those talks yesterday were the snp, lib dems and plaid cymru. hywel williams is the plaid cymru brexit spokesperson. but first we must talk about hitachi suspending work on the £20 billion nuclear plant on anglesey, which could put thousands of jobs for plant on anglesey, which could put thousands ofjobs for risk. did you know this was on the cards and how do you react? it has been rumoured for some time and there have been discussions between the government and hitachi about how much we are willing to pay for electricity, and

it is not the price that they wanted, so it has been on the cards. there are 9000 construction jobs that might not happen of course, and more permanent localjobs. that might not happen of course, and more permanent local jobs. this that might not happen of course, and more permanent localjobs. this is a huge blow locally, no doubt about it. the company say it is because of rising construction costs, not any i’ow rising construction costs, not any row with the government over the price of electricity. i think it is the price that has been discussed recently, and the construction costs are huge because it is a huge project. 9000 people were expected to be involved in building two nuclear to be involved in building two nu clear rea cto i’s . to be involved in building two nuclear reactors. what does it mean for them today potentially? they we re for them today potentially? they were going to be sure to temp jobs, so were going to be sure to temp jobs, so that blow it easier ridden, i think, but for long—term jobs, the personnel there at the site, and the training institutions have been training institutions have been training people up. some of that

might be wasted. i hope people can be used in other types of engineering and high—tech businesses locally. is there anyone who could step in to make this not happen? well, the government has an investment project for north wales, the north wales grosse deal, which in my opinion has been underfunded and there has been disappointment about elements of it, so that could bea about elements of it, so that could be a way of getting more money and people in, that this is long—term stuff and it is really disappointing for local people that it has now a p pa re ntly for local people that it has now apparently been postponed. now let's talk about the meeting that you and your colleague had with the prime minister and two of her aides last night. excuse me. iwant minister and two of her aides last night. excuse me. i want you to set the scene for the audience. where we re the scene for the audience. where were you in the house of commons and what was atmosphere like? did you have a cup of tea? talk through it.

it is in the prime minister's rim, behind the spea ker‘s it is in the prime minister's rim, behind the speaker's chair, which you see on tv. the rooms are at the back and it is very grand indeed, the backhaul of the house of commons, with lots of dark wallpaper and dark wood. there were other leaders and myself and then the prime minister with the chief whip and her adviser and various other people lurking in the background. it was very courteous indeed. we were not expecting to have any huge concessions or breakthroughs or whatever. what was atmosphere like? friendly, jovial, serious, sombre? it was serious without being sombre. it was serious without being sombre. it is well known that the prime minister doesn't do big laughs. it was businesslike. have you ever met her before? i've shouted at her across the chamber of course but i

haven't met her before. when you walk in, you shake hands and sit down? what is the first thing you say to her? she starts it off, i think. what did she say to you? she explained her position and summed up hours at present. but she also said she wants to have further meetings at another level, so one of my collea g u es at another level, so one of my colleagues is meeting david lidington today, the deputy prime minister, to see if we can come to some agreement. i am pessimistic about getting an agreement with them. clearly we have our position long—term very firm ended. them. clearly we have our position long-term very firm ended. when mrs may restated her position, did your heart sink? what did you think?m was as expected, really. we were expecting her to set out what she said, her agenda. economic thing! you carry on, mr williams. ——

said, her agenda. economic thing! you carry on, mrwilliams. —— ignore me coughing! what is the point of restating all your positions again? because it is the start of the process , because it is the start of the process, really. she has got to be prompt because she has got to come back by monday with some kind of further offer, presumably hopefully something to bring before the house after that heavy defeat. you said you were pessimistic. after the meetings go on, do you think there is no time for the different sides

to repeat their positions and it is the time for compromise now?m to repeat their positions and it is the time for compromise now? it has got to be on the government's side. why? because a deal was so emphatically rejected by the house of commons. but there are bits of that that you like, if you are honest. let's be clear, we wanted to stay in and we wanted to be in the single market and the customs union. if she moves in that direction, that is fine and we can talk. but she has been very emphatic and saying we are not moving at all, so there is not much point. there is a line between being determined and being pig—headed and we are very close to that at the moment, i think. the pig—headed bit? that at the moment, i think. the pig-headed bit? yes. well, she hasn't changed. as is very well known, politics is all about change and discussion. hywel williams from plaid cymru, thank you. eric says: no deal cannot be taken off the table because it is the only negotiating tool we have. this is with reference tojeremy corbyn saying he would not have conversations with the prime minister until she had taken the possibility of an ideal brexit off

the table. eric said: i believe we should leave on a new deal basis and let the eu come and talk to us afterwards. tony said: theresa may has a cheek given she has spent the last two years not seeking any consensus at all. the british electorate have had enough of her rotten tory government and want her gone from power. norman is in downing street. more talks today, we heard from mr williams, but with what level of seniority? quite senior. michael gove, david liddington, the cabinet office minister, stephen barclay. they will talk to opposition politicians including frontbenchers. those senior politicians without the leadership. the issue is twofold. it is difficult for party leaders to compromise publicly because they are looking over their shoulders at

their own party and they are inhibited from giving ground. so you might have more chance with politicians just a few rungs down. the second thing that hywel williams pointed to, mrs may has many strengths, but schmoozing is not one of them. she is not the kind of politician who can chitchat people along. she doesn't really do cross— party along. she doesn't really do cross—party dialogue and she never has. when she forms a view, she tends to dig in. that is notjust over brexit. she must be about the last person in the cabinet still digging in behind the idea of getting net migration down to the tens of thousands. 0nce getting net migration down to the tens of thousands. once she has an idea she tends to hold onto it for grim death which means she is not the best person to reach out, frankly. and all the signs are that the initial talks last night bluntly got pretty much nowhere with the other parties coming out and jeremy corbyn not even turning up. they said they would not meet again u nless said they would not meet again unless she took no deal off the table, which she will not do, so

there is limited point in those talks. perhaps you might get more progress from the likes of michael gove and david liddington but i am pretty sceptical about that as well. thank you, norman. norman will be back to tell of any developments throughout the day. your views are welcome. please send them in by email and there is facebook and texting and the usual. a hamburger a week and that is your lot when it comes to red meat, so a group of experts are saying in the medical journal the lancet today. that looks delicious! experts say our eating habits need to be transformed, and it means cutting red meat and sugar by about 50%, while our consumption of nuts, fruits, and vegetables must double. so what do thsee experts say we can eat each day? 1a grams of red meat every day.

that's a tiny mouthful of steak! 13 grams of eggs daily ,that‘s just one—and—a—bit eggs per week. 75 grams of legumes — that's things like beans, chickpeas and lentils. and when you google legumes, it says what the hell are they? up to 500 grams of vegetables and fruit. and not forgetting carbs — you can eat 232 grams every day of whole grains like bread and rice. the scientists say unhealthy diets are the leading cause of ill—health worldwide, and following the diet could avoid approximately 11 million premature deaths per year, as well as being better for the planet and ensuring there's enough food to feed everyone. professor tim lang is a professor of food policy at city university of london and also one of the commission authors.

we're also joined by kate harrison, who is a food and diet author. kate has 70,000 followers online and works with nutritionists and dieticians. thank you for talking to us. there is double, how badly are we getting this wrong right now? well, quite badly is the honest answer. the report is a really big review of the world's situation and it sounds like you need a health break, victoria, ifi you need a health break, victoria, if i may say so! your coughing is terrible. it is just if i may say so! your coughing is terrible. it isjust a calf and i have had worse! you can't blame that on bad diet, so far as we know. it is possible to feed a 10 billion people healthily and sustainably, within planetary boundaries. that is what we set out to look at. but to

a nswer what we set out to look at. but to answer your question, the reason we are ina answer your question, the reason we are in a bad place at the moment, the world is getting fatter, we have got huge diet —related nhs costs in britain, crippling the nhs, and the reason we have got that is because 70 years ago the world set out on a food revolution just to 70 years ago the world set out on a food revolutionjust to produce more food. it said the answer to health than, hunger, was to produce more. now we have still got hunger, left, and we are feeding people, but badly and we are feeding people, but badly and too much. so be clear with our audience what they should be doing to improve their own health and make food production more sustainable for the planet. in simple terms, we have got to shift from using huge amounts of land and cereals to feed animals to then give us heart disease, to shift to using that grain directly for us, cutting - and of vegetables. pulses, lentils, beans.

can provide all the right we can provide all the right nutrients, and this is in the medical journal, nutrients, and this is in the medicaljournal, the nutrients, and this is in the medical journal, the lancet, nutrients, and this is in the medicaljournal, the lancet, so it is very medically orientated, but it is very medically orientated, but it is looking at the evidence, the medical evidence, the public health costs evidence, and environmental evidence, and it says we can do it. but it means the british have got to eat a mediterranean diet basically. we know that is good for health and it saves 11 million premature deaths a year if we do this. but it means the world can stop food being one of the world can stop food being one of the main drivers of biodiversity loss, water pollution, climate change and so on. thatjuggling was what our report was about, can we do it? and the good news is that yes, we can, actually. kate harrison, food writer, does it sound realistic

to you? it sounds absolutely fantastic in principle but if you look at what the situation is now in the uk, nhs figures show that only one in four adults are managing the simplest guideline of all, to eat five portions of fruit and vegetables every day. my worry about this is that it is very complicated for people to get their heads round, and we have heard the message about the mediterranean diet for ages now and it is not happening. in a way, putting such a massive goal in front of people, all these different things we have got to change, it may frighten off a lot of people. do you accept that, tim? the point i are iii—“bee“ 454 tm? ila—fisfis 444 fm4 is we have $4444.44 444 fm4 is we have got 30 years to do making is we have got 30 years to do it and we know rapidly it and we know worldwide how rapidly can 115444 sound dietscan changesltrdeesseund of course it does. but we daunting, of course it does. but we are going to have to do it. it is a

question of beginning what we call the great food transformation now, or have it smashed in the face later. we are very stark about it. food is one of the biggest drivers of climate change. it is the biggest user of water on the planet. and we are very clear. it is actually good news forjobs, are very clear. it is actually good news for jobs, believe are very clear. it is actually good news forjobs, believe it or not. we have got to increase horticulture and less meat and dairy. there is positive news and we have got positive pewsrand we hauegot to de positive flewsrand we heueget te de pete positive pewsano we heuegot to do pete . $44? surrey, positive pewsano we heuegot to do pete lfi surrey, nj positive pewsapd we heuegot to do pete i t4? surrey, nj on it. pete on twitter: surrey, nj on twitter: i sounds very good but i ona on a low and am on a very low income and i have seen am on a very low income and i have seen healthy cost. ‘ the last. years, the of e44 poor, g poor, from rotting and fruit and veg and - fruit and veg a few meat and rotting fruit and veg a few days after i have bought it. joan tweets: we need to get back to eating locally and seasonally produced food. avocados and quinoa... i should produced food. avocados and quinoa... ishould know produced food. avocados and quinoa... i should know how to pronounce that! they have a large

carbon footprint. do they? firstly, what is quinoa? you are bringing in a grainfrom what is quinoa? you are bringing in a grain from latin america. and actually the western foodie cult of quinoa has been terrible for the people of latin america because it has made it more expensive. 0ur report deals with the question of cost and it said the british farming produces more plants for us to eat, rather than animals, animals have got their place if they eat grass and they use land which can't otherwise be used for growing horticulture and things like that. then the cost comes down. horticulture and things like that. then the cost comes downlj horticulture and things like that. then the cost comes down. ijust wa nt to then the cost comes down. ijust want to put this email from alan to you. is this so called expert trying to put every butchers shop in the country out of business? no, not at all. i was a welsh pedigree beef farmer, so take it from me, we are acutely aware and some of us across

the 37 scientists who have worked on this report come from all over the world and everybody is familiar with the problems and concerns of different parts of the world. in the pennines of britain, in the highlands of scotland, you are not going to be able to grow many vegetables. the point is that we are using prime land to feed animals and produce more of them. let's get the animals into their ecological niche and make hill farming the prime source of meat as opposed to prime land the source of meat. kate, what this would mean if people in america followed what tim lang and his collea g u es followed what tim lang and his colleagues are saying, it would mean that they would have to cut by seven times the amount of meat being consumed. but as he said, they have 30 years to do it. possible? it is possible, i think if you look at it from two point of view. you need to look at the individual at what they can do, which is taking very small steps. it is not eating all the vegetables and cutting out all the

meat, but doing one thing a month, increasing your portion of vegetables by one every month. this really highlights what the government needs to be doing. talking about the cost of food, yes, some of the fresh produce is not expensive. at a government level, at an international level, we need to be taking big strategies to help people avoid the horrible consequences of people avoid the horrible consequences of diabetes. —— some of the fresh produce is more expensive. i have seen very young people with limbs amputated in hospital wards. as individuals we are confused all the time because the messages are mixed and they do feel unpalatable. if you say in the future a quarter ofa if you say in the future a quarter of a rasher of bacon every day is all you can manage, maybe focus more on the positives and what you might eat instead and see those things as a treat. that is the way forward but you won't do it overnight. it is an issue with our audience. what about affordability? it comes up again and again so what do you say to people

about that as a food writer?|j again so what do you say to people about that as a food writer? i think learning some really basic cookery things. i wasn't taught it at school and increasingly i have had to teach myself and youtube is brilliant for that as well. learning basic things with the fruit and veg that we have got on our doorstep that is easily accessible, rather than avocados and quinoa, and that is one way of cutting costs. and just be aware of the marketing that is being thrown at you. maybe one meal a week you can cook it from scratch and see what you can put together. enjoy vegetable food just one day a week. my vegetable food just one day a week. my coughing is clearly contagious because i can hear it in you now! thank you for coming on the programme, kate and tim. your reactions are welcome so keep them coming in. now away from that and away from brexit, watch this next video, which is absolutely beautiful. it is about getting a perfect ten in gymnastics. we are

going to show you what it looks like. this is american college gymnast katelyn 0hashi's floor routine, which after scoring a perfect 10 has now been viewed online more than 60 million times in four days. upbeat musical medley. a bit ofjoy for you. katelyn 0hashi scoring a perfect ten. we speak to gina martin, the woman who this week has succeeded in making upskirting a crime after two men took a photo up her skirt at a music festival 18 months ago. would you know if the pompoms on thisjumper were real or fake fur? this was sold as fake fur but it had real rabbit fur in it. clothing retailers are being ordered to take immediate action to ensure they're not advertising real fur as fake. brexit is never too far away, is it? there is massive interest with the

audience about it. the global website is going mad with people wanting to work out the latest twists and turns. last night, theresa may's government narrowly survived a confidence vote in house of commons, just after their withdrawal agreement was voted down bya withdrawal agreement was voted down by a huge margin. the prime ministers now holding talks with other political party to try and break the stalemate but labour is refusing to take part. jeremy corbyn, the leader, anyway, has said he will not have a conversation with theresa may until she has ruled out an ideal exit. —— no deal exit. well, back in december, one of the students at birchwood high school in bishop's stortford e—mailed this programme to ask what on earth is going to happen next. keeva wilson is an a—level student studying politics, and today we've invited her and some of her classmates into the studio to put some of their questions to mps. they have got millions of questions

but i'm not sure if we'll- time but i'm not sure if we'll have time for millions! i suspect your for millions! i sdspeeoyode are for millions! isdspeeoyode are the ones that other for millions! isdspeeoyode are the ones thyme??? not m from iot good. . .. . . m from anything l . ..., are anneliese dodds, minister, and rachel maclean is a conservative mp for redditch. she voted for the pm's brexit agreement in that big vote on tuesday. and ian murray, a labour mp who wants a second referendum on brexit, which is an option the labour party could pursue eventually. we did also ask conservative euro sceptic mps to take part today but they were not available. 0k, a question for all of you. as 18—year—olds who are going to live with whatever it is our parliament comes up with in the end on brexit, how do you view the events of the this week?

i think it's embarrassing. i think they don't realise it's going to affect us the most and i think it is shown by how we were not given a chance to vote on something, and older people have taken control of it, so they got the power to choose but we didn't win it will affect us most. wow, do you accept that? that is one of the reasons i support a people's vote. it follows directly from the question, because there are 2,000,017 -- 2 million 17 from the question, because there are 2,000,017 —— 2 million 17 and 18—year—olds who have now turned 18 and they were not given the vote. if you look at the demographics, a real generational divide. the older demographic tended to vote to leave and the younger tended in the european union. and i think you're right, given that challenge it seems older people have taken control of this and your voice hasn't been heard. and it's embarrassing, rachel

maclean? you made the point about people your age. i have four children, all about your age, and thatis children, all about your age, and that is what i was thinking of when i cast my vote, and what i had in my mind, people of all ages. i agree that some of the language has been an helpful and doesn't do any of us proud, and i don't think the three of us have ever actually spoken in some of those ways and i do see a lot of constructive work, but at the same time it is an issue people have very strong feelings about. how do you view it? just as a circus freak show, really. everyday u—turn on the news and it is something completely different. itjust news and it is something completely different. it just seems to news and it is something completely different. itjust seems to be no operation between the parties and i think the priority of the government should be to fix it as soon as possible to move on —— every day you turn on the tv. a second referendum, i think it would just extend the debate even longer. what do you think, josh? i think considering the political gridlock almost in the eu's political gridlock almost in the eu's adamant stands there will be no

renegotiation i don't see any other viable alternative than putting it back to the people or else crashing out of the eu with no deal. matt? i view it as an issue that will divide the nation and it will continue i think for years to come to divide the nation. i think it will be a case study people referred to in yea rs case study people referred to in years to comejust case study people referred to in years to come just because of how divisive it was at the beginning and how divisive it will carry on to be. ake study for future a—level politic students. i should see the politics tutor rearranged —— a case study for future a—level politic students. the tutor changed their test date... laughter no answers that you've learned today! putter— mac no answers that you've learned today! putter-mac keeva, what questions do you have? and who are ready for? all of you, really. in the event of a no deal brexit,

weren't the cuts just put us into a recession? let's put that the conservative mp —— will the cut is not just put conservative mp —— will the cut is notjust put us. we are not location back to top about government budgets. you can, it is all related. that's fine, but that the decision of our government in my view is if we come out of the eu we won't have to spend as much money with the money going to the eu, and we will have more money to spend at home, and actually that is a reason why a lot of my vote is my constituency, 62% of them, actually voted to leave, because we recognise we to put more money into schools. for example the nhs as well as a big priority for my voters and we have announced a massive funding boost going into the nhs and we will be able to do more of that as we come out of the eu sol able to do more of that as we come out of the eu so i think it is a positive thing for our domestic economy. does that satisfy your? has your school been impacted by any funding cuts? yeah, it has. did you notice it? yes, you do. our

reception area is not open any more. i don't know, you canjust tell reception area is not open any more. i don't know, you can just tell it is not as good as it used to be because of the degrees of funding. 0k. your question. go ahead. to all of them, really. we might not have time to do every question but we will do our best. jeremy corbyn stated he will not be willing to negotiate with the government or talk with the prime minister. my question is how can the labour party, you know, want to have their voice heard and want to coordinate with the government, and how do you move onto that? let's put that anneliese dodds then, the labour shadow treasury minister. yes, i think that is a good question, but of course jeremy think that is a good question, but of coursejeremy has been trying to have that negotiation with theresa may for many, many months. since last september, he said it would be good to have discussions between the parties. sadly, that hasn't been offered until now, sojeremy has not

said he will not discuss this with theresa may. what he has said is he will do that once she takes no deal of the table, and actually the reason for that is pretty much what keeva just mentioned. we see hundreds of millions of pounds being spent on no deal planning, which everybody says they don't want. they don't want that chaos, that falling offa don't want that chaos, that falling off a cliff edge, but unfortunately theresa may in the conservative government with pickard of the table sojeremy said government with pickard of the table so jeremy said he government with pickard of the table sojeremy said he will not negotiate until they have done that —— and the conservative government will take no deal off the table. it seems everyone in parliament, most people, disagree with theresa may's plan. but what alternatives do you have? what alternatives does the labour after the country to see, this is our alternative plan for brexit, what we want, how it will be different from's plan? we have set that out. we said for the sake of

business, preserving jobs, we need a permanent customs union —— different from theresa may's plan? we are getting into the jargon already but we are saying we shouldn't have lots of paperwork for firms crossing the border, queues at dover and other ports, we want that to be simple for businesses. we also want to make sure our standards will not fall below those in the eu 27, and we need that guaranteed. theresa may has said, "well, we might agree with that," but there is no guarantee. we need that guarantee. we have made that clear with other policies read this but unfortunately until now theresa may and her government would not be moving in that direction. instead they have been pretty much moving towards a more extreme direction, listening to those extreme brexiteers. hopefully they might starta extreme brexiteers. hopefully they might start a shift in a different direction now. i hope that will happen. isn't it hypocritical that jeremy corbyn has called this a crisis, and national catastrophe, and at the moment when he is finally invited to have a conversation with the prime minister he says "norma,

no, these are some conditions. quote this goes back to some of other questions already —— no, no, here are the conditions. my view is i think he should have met the prime minister last night we only have 36 sitting days left until we followed the european union, what the law says, and until we change that... everyone needs to, and the table. everyone needs to, and the table. everyone needs to come round the table? but your colleague... everyone needs to come round the table ? but your colleague. . ij everyone needs to come round the table? but your colleague... i know that ian agrees with me that the most important thing we need to prevent right now is that no deal brexit because that is what we will be faced with in those 36 days and i think that is whatjeremy is trying to ensure through his approach to this. what other viable alternatives are there to avoiding a no deal? we are there to avoiding a no deal? we are ina are there to avoiding a no deal? we are in a sort of political gridlock with the eu adamant there will be no more free negotiation. if they wanted to avoid no deal they could have voted with theresa may's deal which avoids all of these... remit but it is too late for that now. it has already been denied in

parliament —— but it is too late for that now. what can we do now? there isa that now. what can we do now? there is a sliding scale. either i really extreme brexit was no deal, painful for the economy, and the way you ridgers that is moving further and further towards the eu organisation, and the recent eu won't renegotiate if they are a legal construct. you eitherjoin the party with the rules and that gives you great access, or the further you move away from that the further you move away from that the greater the pain is. by viable, do you mean what will get the majority of house of commons? yeah. the prime minister drew her red lines that mean it is closer to that more extreme nature, which means the pain is higher, and most members of parliament wanted to be drawn slightly closer to being closer to the eu so there is less pain in terms of economics, which is why we a lwa ys terms of economics, which is why we always said to the prime minister two years ago. have the discussion with mps now to seek a consensus in how you negotiate rather than coming to us at the end of the process when the negotiations have been done in

the negotiations have been done in the eu is saying, "well, that is as far as we the eu is saying, "well, that is as faras we can the eu is saying, "well, that is as far as we can go with the conditions you have set." what did you understand from that answer then was the viable alternative? i'm not sure i heard what it was. going forward, and not really sure there has been any kind of... i'm not really sure. i'm unclear with what there is going forward. sorry, i meant josh. i'm unclear with what there is going forward. sorry, i meantjosh. matt. 0ne forward. sorry, i meantjosh. matt. one question to mp5 like yourself who would like a second referendum in people's vote. i'm not necessarily against the bar my main question, does having a second referendum not question and put in jeopardy the future integrity of other referendums to come? does it set a dangerous precedent, if we don't get it our way, let's have another vote? and in 4&4 second interest in terms of the second scottish independence referendum? slugger, but i always think the westminster political system in terms of this issue is broken. we build our three four parties in

westminster at the moment. we have seven or eight different groupings across different parties with different views, and we can't break the deadlock the moment whilst we are unable to get... but answer his question. to see to the public, and the 17 and 18—year—olds in it that didn't vote last time, to hand it back, what you expect from this? we understand the public voted to leave the european union. the prime ministers that this deal on the table which we can measure and see what it looks like against what we currently enjoy as being a member of the eu, is this the kind of brexit you want? if it's not, you are entitled to then make your voice heard. long answers from politics -- politicians, as you know as paul dixon is. but a second referendum... that is my worry —— as you know, as politics students. people who want a second referendum, iwould politics students. people who want a second referendum, i would like them to ensure that won't be put in jeopardy, because i don't want to see people constantly having a referendum every six months on different issues. we know that

referendums are not legally binding but there needs to be some kind of line drawn when we do take a vote and accept that. i accept brexit is and accept that. i accept brexit is a big issue but i would like mps who support it... we should have a referendum act in this country that set the parameters of any referendum before we even talk about what the subject would be. what do you say? i ee, subject would be. what do you say? i agree, i think it would completely break faith. we asked people what they thought. we were very clear what that meant. then all three of us what that meant. then all three of us stood on party manifestos in 2017 saying "we will respect the result." there was a leaflet that went to every house in the country saying to people "it's your choice. we will implement whatever you decide. " people "it's your choice. we will implement whatever you decide." not "we will try and stop it," or we'll go back and say "you didn't know what you are voting for." that is not what my constituents are saying to me and they are very cross about

it. and, by the way, they are not all told. i know there are demographics, but there are plenty of young people who voted leave and wa nt of young people who voted leave and want to see us respect that result, and there are plenty of people of all ages like me who voted remain but say, "this is democracy, guys." it was a massive mandate. i'm sorry but 71 4 million people are not or an educated and they do know what they were voting for. -- 70 1.4 million people. annaliese dodds?” think matt is right to say it would not be an easy solution. it would in fa ct not be an easy solution. it would in fact the third referendum because the last one was the second one we had, and also i did bear in mind what he said about division before andi what he said about division before and i think we really need to try to heal that division. the moment, u nless we heal that division. the moment, unless we see the conservative government shifting towards something more sensible red having that customs union, that protection, what we were talking about before —— something more sensible like having that customs union. unless we do that customs union. unless we do that i can't see how we get parliament to agree to any deal, in those kinds of circumstances, when all the other options have been exhausted, it may be another vote is

the only way out, but i think until then the public are looking to parliament and saying, "how are you going to sort this out?" certainly my party, the labour party, have "here are - ways you can said "here are some ways you can change the deal, get rid of that awful threat of no deal, so much chaos, wasting so much money," and can we get the government to listen to us on that? we can. you describe events at westminster as embarrassing, a circus freak show. are there any elements of this democracy in action you are witnessing and studying, potentially, you're proud oh, my gosh, tumbleweeds! silence! go on.|j like just the way that while this brexit stuff is happening, the stuff in the background is still going on, and people are trying their hardest just to keep the country running smoothly. while brexit is an important issue i do think other

services and other things have been neglected, and that would be my concern over a second neglected, and that would be my concern over a second referendum or an extension... but i ask you if there was anything your... 0h, you're a crowd of people trying to keep going, people who work in the nhs in schools and all the rest, while the politicians are consumed by this? i get you. anything you are particularly proud of? the participation. now this is happening in real life a lot more people have become interested in politics and i think that is good for us because it creates a sense of unity and things like that, and i think if we were to leave the eu and it does end up badly or with a no deal, that would benefit us because we need to stay... very briefly, josh, matt? it could be no if you want. similar to keeva, i like the fact more people are politically active now. i really just wish that was maybe prior to the referendum itself, more people, you know, they were not politically engaged, and if they had been

following things a bit more, whereas they are now. 0k, thank you so much, all of you, for talking to each other. i really appreciate it. and good luck with your exam tomorrow! two papers? good luck. thank you so much. on this programme in the past two years, we've highlighted the campaign to make upskirting a crime. that's when someone takes a photo up someone's skirt without their permission. they can end up on dedicated upskirting websites, which are big business. tee £5,555 4455 iii—44244 1557”— —4— by gina martin, who realised it had happened to her at a music festival, but no further action was taken because it wasn't a specific sexual offence. this week, legislation was passed to make it a crime in england and wales — it's already an offence in scotland. and it is all because of you, gina martin. congratulations. and also tojustice minster lucy fraser.

also on the programme. how does it feel to have managed to change the law? i feel incredibly emotional. it has been a lot of hard work, and a relatively quick time in politics, but a huge thing and it has consumed my life and it is really exciting because it is politics at its best ina time because it is politics at its best in a time that is very fractious. yeah. how do you get someone to change the law? can you tell our audience how you did it? change the law? can you tell our audience how you did it7m change the law? can you tell our audience how you did it? if we did that i think we would be here until the evening! and so precisely. i think you need the right support system think you need the right support syste m — — think you need the right support system —— concisely. you need to talk to people who believe in it, you don't stop and you don't take no foran you don't stop and you don't take no for an answer. the government were very supportive and we work with them, it is a long process but it can be done and a regular person can do it. how did justice minister lizzie frazer help you? in july 2018 —— lucy fraser. you will probably

remember there was a bump on the road with bill tabled by a lib dem minister, which was disappointing, but at the same day the public back the bill and that was all down to lucy, and as soon as she took office there was an immediate support there was at!unnaedietesdppot!l if; me. there was aprimmediatesdppozt g me. why there was aprimmediatesdppozt iii! me. why was system there for me. why was it important to you? i think it is horrific that 44 who had terrible experience, they felt a terrible exgerience they 2st of a terrible exgerience they yell of this. there humiliated because of this. there was a gap in the law, so some people are in certain 44’4’4’4’45’ but ” 7"? ' 44’4’4’4’45’ but “ot " i"? ' but not q and it circumstances, but not all, and it was important to close that gap. gina isl brilliant campaigner, she gina is a brilliant campaigner, she has done a marvellous campaign, and it was great to support it. people might not realise that it wasn't a sexual offence, ultima, and it wasn't covered by voyeurism legislation either —— upskirting was not our sexual offence. it is either a public order offence where this happens ina a public order offence where this happens in a very public place like the street, or if it happens a very

private place, under the voyeurism act, for example a home, but the gap in the law was for example if this took place in a school, which is not open to all the public but some. there was a question there as to whether you could prosecute. there we re whether you could prosecute. there were a couple of cases in schools, and obviously that's a really important area where we needed to close that gap. for those who don't know your story, gina, you were waiting for the killers to come on stage at a music festival, and you realised some guy had done this, you grabbed his phone, and somebody shouted "run!", you run with security, the police came and were really helpful, they looked at the photograph but came back to you and said it wasn't graphic enough to be a sexual offence, is that correct? when you look into the law it is incorrect, but that shows to be although they were very supportive they were very confused on the law because they obviously in the head, they knew it was a sexual offence, but how did they... they reassured you by saying it is fine because we

have now deleted the photograph, which was evidence? like they put a sticker on a much bigger problem. not helpful in the long run although they were trying to help. this was blocked by one of your colleagues, christopher chope, and he said because there wasn't a proper debate around it. was that there objection hindsight? it was a procedural objection. he has always said he didn't have any issue with the bill itself, but with the idea and the criminalisation of upskirting, but he has blocked a number of bills, some of which are extremely valid, and he was objecting not on the principle but because he thought that this was done without debate and would just have gone through the house without a debate. that is my question. in hindsight, do you think it was a fear objection?” question. in hindsight, do you think it was a fear objection? i am pleased we adopted it as a

government bill and we did that pretty speedily. that wasn't the question. was there enough debate?” would have liked to have seen it gone through that friday. there was a clear gap gone through that friday. there was a cleargap in gone through that friday. there was a clear gap in the law, there was cross— party a clear gap in the law, there was cross—party consensus. no one had suggested we should not enact this law. i would have liked to have seen it gone through on that day, and people, if they had raised other points during the course of the debate, which they were able to do because we had a debate in parliament, then in fact the law went through an amended in the end, so it would have went through on the same basis. if you are prosecuted for this new offence what potentially could happen to you in terms of punishment? you could go to prison for up to two years and if it is sexually motivated you could be on the sex offenders register as well. really? what would you say to the man who did this to you originally, who took the photograph? and a pacifist, sol originally, who took the photograph? and a pacifist, so i would have to say i'm glad you didn't do it to the othergirl

say i'm glad you didn't do it to the other girl who was more inclined to be really affected by it and be upset by it. i would like to give him forgiveness and i am glad it made me do something good. obviously it was a horrible excuse but here we are. you forgive the man who took the original photograph? yeah. learning from staff, move on, i am sure he has learned and seen these things. hopefully he has learned his lesson. you did suffer some pretty horrific trolling when you started a campaign. that must have been pretty stressful? probably the hardest bit. never having political experience i thought the politics would be the hardest bit, but it was the rate threats and stuff, which have come out in the last couple of days again -- it out in the last couple of days again —— it was the rape threats. i get far more supportive messages now.l quick one from steven, "i couldn't agree more with the young woman that upskirting should be a criminal offence. does it apply to both men

and women?" of course it does. great. congratulations again. sorry about my cough. thank you for coming on the programme. one final thought. you said the fact this became legislation represented the best in society and politics. why do you say that? i am a working class scouser with no political experience we just worked really hard, and being invited into the spaces i had never beenin invited into the spaces i had never been in before and supported by these people, it is campaigning in politics at its best and it was all going down doing it on during brexit and they were working really hard to get it done that it was all going on during brexit. gina martin, thank you very much. is that what you see when you get the law changed? congratulations? i think it probably is. and lucy fraser, thank you. we will spend the last few minutes of the programme talking about clothes shop

— clothes shops who've been selling real fur but advertising it as fake have been ordered to stop, right now. it comes after the advertising standards authority found online retailer boohoo had sold this jumper containing realfur — probably from a rabbit, people think — in the pompoms. retailers have been given a deadline of 11th february to change their ways, orface punishment. it's part of a more widespread problem of realfur masquerading as fake fur. well, joining us now is harriet barclay from the humane society international, which complained to the advertising standards authority about real fur being sold as fake. also from the authority is the director of complaints, miles lockwood. harriette, how do you know the difference? there are three ways to tell the difference between real and fa ke tell the difference between real and fake fur —— harriet. i have one with me. if you look at the end of the hair, likea me. if you look at the end of the hair, like a cat or a dog's fur... and i don't know if you can see this on your screen, and i don't know if you can see this on your screen, but if you see a pale leathery bit a bit like a human

hair parting that is animal skin, so probably real fur. but this matting, a good indication it is fake. briefly, what is the motivation for a company to do that. is itjust a mistake and they are not that bothered about whether it is fake or real? often we find companies have been mis—selling realfur is fake... but it is not an excuse. it is clear that it but it is not an excuse. it is clear thatitis but it is not an excuse. it is clear that it is the companies who need to ta ke that it is the companies who need to take charge of this and make sure they are not misleading their consumers who at the end of the day are trusting their brand and trusting them with the close they are buying. miles lockwood, what are you telling retailers to do, and when? we are giving them until the 11th of february to get their house in order. the ruling confirms that retailers had been selling real faux

fur that they say they believed was faux fur. this notice puts all advertisers on notice the need to check advertising claims they are making to make sure they are not selling real fur and labelling it is fake. they have until the 11th of february and if we find problems after that it will take further action against those retailers. what could happen to a retailer who does this? there are a list of sanctions, escalating, which could range from taking down their advertising online, right through to a referral to our trading standards who can ta ke to our trading standards who can take legal action, and that can lead to fines and from prosecution, if necessary. i have a comment here from one viewer. "i strongly believe we should look at humane ways to manufacture real fur and all faux or

plastic fur should be abolished, because real fur decomposes naturally whereas fake fur doesn't and sets in our ever—growing landfills." what do you say to that? realfur is more landfills." what do you say to that? real fur is more ecologically friendly than fake fur obviously and we find time and time again there justis we find time and time again there just is no way to produce real fur. the animals are kept in tiny cages and killed by horrible names like gassing and electrocution which is just standard practice. there is just standard practice. there is just absolutely no way to humanely create real fur without animal suffering. thank you both very much for talking to us. we appreciate your time. thank you for your messages. many on brexit, as you might imagine. this one. "why is no deal such a bad option? we need to man up. the eu will give us no more

because we are weak and divided. they want us to stay in. it is a big mistake." "still in a customs union under the europe some. if we come out they will come to us. her deal gave us what we wanted all except the backstop. just change that." have a good day. thank you for those. sorry about the cough. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. good morning. if you have been out and about already i am sure you will notice the chill in the way confit air. this is the day the weather has turned colder for all of us air. this is the day the weather has turned colderfor all of us —— i am sure you will notice the chill in the air. snow across wales and scotland, a few centimetres but getting less heavy with him. a few

cherished in the north sea coast. bit of a mixture of rain, and a little bit of sleety snow mixed in. some cloud into northern ireland but apart from that for scotland, england, the west of wales as well, clear skies and light winds, the recipe for a cold night, temperatures down to —3 in the towns and cities, but colder in the countryside so is sharp frost into friday morning. friday starts off on a sunny note, but out west cloud gathering and we will see some of that damp weather pushing into western parts of england and wales as the afternoon progresses. another cold day. temperatures are struggling in the east and could be some snow mixed in for the rest. that your weather. that's your weather. this is bbc newsroom live with me annita mcveigh live at westminster.

the headlines at 11.00am. theresa may is holding cross—party talks to try to reach a consensus on brexit — butjeremy corbyn is refusing to meet unless no—deal is ruled—out. this is the scene now in hastings where the labour leader is due make a speech shortly. the other main stories on bbc newsroom live. plans for a new nuclear power station in north wales are suspended — putting thousands ofjobs at risk. cutting red meat to a burger a week — researchers say a radical shift in diet is needed to protect human health and the environment. premier league footballers take part in a new concussion study which could lead to pitch—side diagnosis.