hello, it's monday, it's10:ooam, i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. this morning — live in the studio, the youngest prime minister in the world — jacinda arden is new zealand's prime minister, she's 38 and she's only the second world leader to give birth in office. she announced the birth of her baby by doing a facebook live from her hospital room. you will have seen the name. little neve te aroha. ardern is going to be a middle name. gayford. so, neve gayford. and we chose itjust because we liked it and we think she looks like a little neve. a little matariki and solstice baby. in her only uk interview while she's here in britain, we'll talk to her about brexit and babies — ahead of her meeting with theresa may about a possible free trade deal after the uk leaves the european union. also today, victims of domestic abuse will no longer face being cross—examined by their alleged abusers in the family courts. the government's told this programme they want more people to recognise what abuse can include.

if a man is trying to control his partner's finances, if he's taking out loans in her name without her consent. if he is controlling what food she eats, how she eats it, where she is allowed to eat it in the house. these are all acts of control. we'll talk to this mum who suffered years of abuse from her partner. he set fire to the family house, killing their two sons. and, should women be able to freeze their eggs for longer than ten years? this programme can reveal exclusively campaigners are meeting the government today to ask for an extension of the ten—year time limit. you're faced with a stark choice of letting them destroy the eggs, theyjust take them out of the freezer and let them be destroyed. or to have them fertilised, in my case, by an unknown donor. have you forzen your eggs? tell us why and whether you agree

that the ten—year time limit shld be extended. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until ”am this morning. as we are each weekday. she has said she isn't superwoman — but she is a prime minister with an eight—month—old baby — jacinda ardern is new zealand's pm and she's here in the uk meeting theresa may later. we'll talk to her in about ten minutes‘ time. if you have a question for her please do email victoria@bbc.co uk or use the hasthag victorialive. before all that here's carrie gracie with a summary of the morning's news so far theresa may will outline her next steps as she tries to find a way to break the brexit deadlock today. she will make a statement to mps this afternoon following talks yesterday with her cabinet. it is thought the prime minister will try and find a way to revise the controversial irish backstop, a policy designed to avoid a hard border between northern

ireland and the republic of ireland. some mps are expected to table a series of amendments this week. one group, including senior labour backbencher yvette cooper wants to suspend the process for leaving the eu if there is no deal. with brussels by the end of february.“ it hasn't been sorted by the end of february, if the government hasn't got a deal through, then parliament has to have a vote on whether or not to extend article 50, to just make sure that, given the clock is running down, there is a way to prevent us just crashing out with no deal with the huge damage that would mean. yvette cooper. millions of eu citizens living in the uk will be asked to apply for a new legal status from today, allowing them to stay after brexit. if they don't, they ultimately risk deportation. it costs £65 for adults to register online for settled status, and applies to those who have

lived here continuously for five years or more. eu citizens who've been here for less than that can apply for pre—settled status, until they're eligible for full settlement rights. the rules do not apply to people from ireland. new figures show china's economy grew last year at its slowest rate in almost three decades, stoking fears about the impact on the global economy. it grew at 6.6%. just this month jaguar land rover said the slowdown in china was one reason why it was shedding 4,500 jobs. the government will today publish what it calls a landmark domestic abuse bill. the home office says the changes will strengthen penalties for perpetrators and better protect victims. it means for the first time abusers will be banned from cross—examining their victims in the family court. many skywatchers have been up all night to catch a glimpse of what some are calling a super blood wolf moon —

a total lunar eclipse, where the earth passes precisely between the sun and the moon — turning the moon red. some of those who were lucky enough to avoid the cloud overnight have shared pictures. the south coast of england was a good place to be — this close up comes from eastbourne in east sussex. this amazing time—lapse sequence was taken from gosport in hampshire. but there were glimpses further north too — this from wakefield in west yorkshire. this slightly spooky photo was captured in swansea in south wales. and finally in eastern england this misty glimpse through the trees was taken in lincolnshire. those are the top stories this morning. we are going to talk to the world's youngest prime minister, new zealand's prime minister, jacinda ardern, who is in the uk to speak to theresa may and then go to

switzerland to speak to prince william about mental health. she has talked openly about her own issues with anxiety in the past before she got thejob of leading with anxiety in the past before she got the job of leading the labour party in new zealand, before she got thejob of prime minister and before she had herfirst baby so maybe thejob of prime minister and before she had her first baby so maybe we will ask about her anxiety levels now and how she manages them. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the #victorialive. victims of domestic abuse will no longerface being cross—examined by partners alleged to have abused them in family courts, under new government proposals today. the home office says their new draft legislation is a landmark, and will, for the first time, create a legal definition of domestic abuse, to include economic abuse and control, and establish a domestic abuse commissioner. theresa may promised to overhaul domestic abuse laws almost two years ago. government experts estimate domestic abuse cost the uk £66 billion in 2016/17. as you know we're committed to covering domestic abuse on this programme — last year in a uk first, we broadcast the entire programme

from a women's refuge — this gives you a sense of what women we met there have faced. what do you remember about the night you left, with your mum to come here when you were ten? what i remember is there being a threat, my mum's life was at threat, this particular day. there was a knife involved. i remember that night being woken up at night with my siblings and being taken ina taxi. the taxi drove for a few hours and i rememberwaking up and we were here at this very refuge. that was almost a year ago. let's speak to claire throssell. her children jack and paul were 12 and 9 when they were murdered in an arson attack by their father, after the family court decided he must have

unsupervised access to them. she is campaigning to help prevent others suffering as she has. sian hawkins, head of campaigns and public affairs at the women's aid, a charity which has been campaigning for the domestic abuse bill. thank you forjoining us. your sons died at the hands of their father — can you tell our audience what happened in 2014? it was 22nd of october 2014 and it took just 15 minutes for it was 22nd of october 2014 and it tookjust 15 minutes for my life to end and my existence to begin on an unsupervised contact visit he barricaded the home, lured the children up into the attic with the bribe of new trains, and set 14 separate fires in the property. his main aim was that nobody could get in and, particularly, that the boys

could not get out again. jack was very brave at 12 and he tried to save his brother paul. he pulled him across the attic, and unfortunately, when he got to the hatchway of the attic he fell through into the flames. when the firemen picked him up flames. when the firemen picked him up and cradled him in his arms he bravely said to the fireman my dad did this and he did it on purpose. he found the strength from somewhere to say the same to the police and the consultant in hospitaljust as they were battling to save his life. his bravery and courage was acknowledged by the police and they took it as his dying testimony at 12 yea rs took it as his dying testimony at 12 years old. goodness me. paulfell asleep in my arms an hour later. is hair was wet with my tears and jack

fought for five days and u nfortu nately after a fought for five days and unfortunately after a long battle he succumbed as well and he died in my arms five days later that day he was supposed to be having his interview with cafcas was the day he died in my arms. this came after a family court's allowed unsupervised access to the boys and at the time when you had also been effectively cross—examined by their father in family court. what kind of impacted have on you. 7 family court. what kind of impacted have on you. ? it's frustrating. you are going into a courtroom, you have committed no crime, the only crime you have committed is trying to keep your children safe and you are set for mac receipts away and the whole process is frightening and humiliating process from the beginning until the end. —— four

seats away. he was threatening and it was another opportunity to control me and make me feel like that piece of dirt underneath his shoe like he had made me feel for a long time. judges might not be frightened of the person stood in front of them but what they need to realise and recognises the other person is, the victim is mad to go into that court room when you are sat four macro seats away from him and he is glaring at you and start using the language he has used for yea rs using the language he has used for years and trying to portray you as mentally u nsta ble years and trying to portray you as mentally unstable and every trick in the book that they can try, and the judges allow it in their courts. we live in a democracy that supposed to oppression and fear, and yet oppression and fear, and yet oppression and fear is happening every single day in a family court and it is allowed by ourjustice system and it's wrong. i've been talking to the government minister with responsibility for these draft measures that have been announced today, the home office minister victoria atkins. here she is

explaining how these measures will make a difference. home should be a place of love and of safety but we know for 2 million people that is not the case, and so this bill and the package of non—legislative measures are about helping, first of all, to define domestic abuse because, for some, they think it's just restricted to violence, whereas we know from victims and survivors domestic abuse can take many forms. but also ensuring that the support we give to victims when they seek help, if they are able to seek help, there is much we are doing to try and improve that with the help notjust of national government but local government, charities and other people who are so important in this work. one of the measures will ban abusers from cross examining victims in the family court. i wonder what accounts you may have heard from women about being cross—examined by the very men who have abused them. when i visit refuges

or women's centres, i get constantly told by different victims, different survivors across the country that their perpetrators are using the court system to re—abuse them, bearing in mind these are women who have often had the most horrendous experiences. i know how much work you have done, victoria, on exposing domestic abuse, but some of the incidents are frankly too much to mention at ten o'clock in the morning. they have been degraded, humiliated, worn down by their perpetrators. when they finally escape and break that unhealthy relationship, and their children's future is at stake in the family courts, to then have that perpetrator go through the minutiae abuse, of their

day—to—day suffering, can be a terrible thing to have to endure. and indeed, last week, i spoke to a survivor who said at one point during her cross—examination, albeit in the criminal courts, she felt like just walking out because she had had enough, she couldn't take it any more. so we're really trying to stop that from happening. we wantjustice obviously to be delivered but we want it to be done in a way that achieves best evidence for the victims of domestic abuse in a fair way within the rules of law as we all expect. economic abuse is now going to be included in a definition. you're coming up with adefinition for the first time. what is economic abuse? yes, first of all, the fact we're defining domestic abuse in legislation is a real step forward because i think if someone hasn't been exposed to domestic abuse or they haven't worked with people who have been exposed to domestic abuse, they might think domestic abuse is restricted to acts of violence, but we know from victims and survivors that the path, the journey to an act of violence can be very, very long. some abusers may never hit their victim but they

just abuse them mentally, they abuse them sexually, they abuse them through absolutely controlling their day—to—day lives, so including economic abuse in the definition is to help the police, the courts and others to understand that if a man is trying to control his partner's finances, if he's taking out loans in her name without her consent, if he is controlling what food she eats, how she eats it, where she is allowed to eat it in the house, these are all acts of control which is not part of a healthy relationship and which may build a picture of an abusive relationship, a pattern of abusive behaviour. victoria atkins, home office minister. claire throssell is still here. boys jack and paul were murdered in an arson attack by their father after family courts decided he must have unsupervised access to them, and also sian hawkins from the women's aid charity. on average, two women are killed every week in this country by a current or ex partner,

and unbelievably shocking statistic. i wonder if you think any of these measures announced today may bring those numbers down. clearly this bill coming forward is a positive step and we have to welcome that. what we know is that already we are turning away around 20,000 women and children from specialist domestic abuse services every year, about 400 a week, so we have to make sure that whilst this bill is really welcome, the laws are welcome, some of it will make a difference, that we are able to support the women and children we are giving this message to that domestic abuse will not be tolerated and there is somewhere they can go for help. i asked the minister about long—term funding because there is some money announced in these measures today. is that what you need? something measures today. is that what you need ? something sustainable? measures today. is that what you need? something sustainable? some cash from the government on a regular basis in order to help survivors. what we need is a long—term and sustainable funding plan for all specialist services so that no women or a child feels they have to suffer domestic abuse alone. we know that there are huge amounts

of people being turned away from services because there just isn't enough cash available. domestic abuse is costing £66 billion a year and the lives of two women and children a week and that's a wake—up call and we needed long—term funding plan in place. thank you both for coming on the programme. claire throssell and sian hawkins, thank you. she is the youngest prime minister on the planet, only the second world leader to give birth while in office and is here with me now in her only uk interview during her visit to britain. jacinda ardern, the prime minster of new zealand, is scheduled to meet prime minister theresa may later today — to talk about brexit and a possible free trade deal. before we talk to the prime minister, here's some things you might like to know about jacinda ardern. at 38 years old, jacinda ardern is the youngest prime minister in the world and the youngest her country

has had 7541.59 years?‘ after having her child, she was back at work after taking just six weeks maternity leave. i didn't want to leave the hospital without saying thank you first. i've got a little sleepy one here in my arms. joining the new zealand labour party at 17 years old, she spent most of her life in politics. we do not shy away, though, from the importance of quality spending by the government to improve the lives of new zealanders. in 2006, she worked for the uk government under tony blair, although she said she felt a real dilemma about taking thatjob because she disagreed with mr blair going to war with iraq. jacinda ardern has

spoken openly about her struggles with anxiety. she is one of the few politicians in the world to talk about their mental health. she even said her anxiety made her think twice about leading the labour party. a self—described whiskey and drum and bass fan, for years ardern has djed in her spare time. she was brought up as a mormon. she is now a strong supporter of lgbt rights. her rise in new zealand became known as jacinda mania and her fans jacinda maniacs. while she's here in europe she says she'll be cementing her country's position as an ally for the uk after brexit. it has been a rapid rise for the young leader credited with bringing the x factor to what one commentator described as her grey old party. here she is. hello, nice to meet you, thank you for coming in our country. that was very comprehensive! good, that's what we like to do. i was rather hoping you wld have your seven—month—old baby girl with you on this trip because we regularly do political

interviews on this programme and we regularly have babies and children on set but never together — so it would have been a first. but i understand why. she has travelled on various trips, hasn't she? yes, actually just the one, various trips, hasn't she? yes, actuallyjust the one, domestically she travels with me all the time but internationally it was the un general assembly when she came with me because she was quite young. for one reason or another she physically hasn't been able to go into the countries i have visited for one reason or another. there she is. i had no awareness there was immediate in the room. it was a nelson mandela peace summit and it was reasonably quiet but i couldn't see them, the media were up in the gallery above us. media were up in the gallery above us. was she with you then because you were still breast—feeding?” us. was she with you then because you were still breast-feeding? i was still breast—feeding. you were still breast-feeding? i was still breast-feeding. that is your partner, gayford? yes, he had a lot of fun trying to find places to change her and breast—feeding spaces at the un. do you feel unsettled when you are away from her?|j at the un. do you feel unsettled

when you are away from her? i find it difficult, going through the exact emotion it difficult, going through the exact - emotion any it difficult, going through the exact- emotion any other parent i'm away i call, not have of i and keep cgntacb and keep eenteeb the of your audience the purpose of your meeting prime ‘ today. 'today. - is i opportunity, when you travel 337; i'm travelling q i'm travelling for to eurggg 922 q tggggjj'gg lg; world to eurggg g'ggg q l;gggll'gg lg; world economic forum, and also to promote new- which is negotiating a free trade turrenfiynegotiatingafreetratie with the eu, it is an agreement with the eu, it is an opportunity for me to stop in london, and obviously a very u nsettled london, and obviously a very unsettled period of time, to say our relationship is deep and long, it is not just economic. but relationship is deep and long, it is notjust economic. but obviously it is an important trading partner for us, at the point that the uk is ready to do so we are very keen to enter into a free trade agreement. we are ready and willing and i think you are an excellent attentional future partner for that. why is that

important? exports from new zealand to this country, about 3%, 4%, pretty small. for us you are still a significant trading partner for us, representing roughly $5 billion worth of trade, that is significant for a small trading nation like ours. and so we would consider it to bea ours. and so we would consider it to be a real priority for us. and for the uk in terms of the advantage of an agreement with us, we are a reliable partner, we have negotiated a number of free trade agreements. we negotiate high—quality agreements, we are focused on good labour environmental standards, so i think we would be able to create a gold standard for what future free—trade agreements with the uk could look like. presumably, it is more of a priority for your country to get a free trade deal with the eu with their massive market of 500 million? that is obviously still significant for us but for us it is not just the size, significant for us but for us it is notjust the size, it is the quality of these agreements. our people to

people ties are so important. i used to live here for several years. i've got a niece and nephew who were born here. there are 60,000 new zealanders here at any given time. i don't underestimate. it is notjust about our economic ties and goods and services, it is the fact this is and services, it is the fact this is a relationship that is deep and important to us. you described it as an unsettled time here. that is potentially an understatement. theresa may is having a very difficult time trying to come up with a deal to leave the eu that is popular with mps in this country is one prime minister observing another, what do you think of the way she is handling things? the last thing i ever do is dish out advice or commentary on other people's politics. it's a difficult game. i know from certainly where i am you often don't know or don't see some often don't know or don't see some of the extra layers behind—the—scenes. she is a woman of remarkable resilience. i have admiration for a number of

politicians for what they have to navigate, and this is one of those situations. what i can speak to, is backin situations. what i can speak to, is back in new zealand we have a different political situation, we run like germany, i have a government that has a full majority out of three parties, so what i'm used to is we have constantly been negotiating and forming compromise and dialogue with other parties. what skills do you employ? there has been some criticism of the british prime minister that she hasn't been able to bring people with her. we all operate in the systems we have inherited. i'm in a system where all of the political parties i work alongside, we are used to it, since 1996, but in an environment that is how we form government. it is about people skills, isn't it? finding consensus among a load of politicians who don't agree.“ absolutely is but also about the system you a re absolutely is but also about the system you are operating i we are to to negotiate, to > to negotiate, to > - to negotiate to to >| of. to negotiate to

to>| of.to ne linese to to >| of. to ne lines are. where each of the's red lines are. that is something - know how to that is something i only know how to do politics in that way. it is a bit about your environment too. you use referendums in new zealand sometimes, you've got one in 2020 to decide whether cannabis can be used for recreational purposes. do you think they are a good way to resolve political issues? i think genuinely there is a real dialogue and debate around where some of these issues, where they can be useful tools. at the same time we have had them in the same time we have had them in the past where they haven't been able to resolve issues as well. i think it's all about the way they are utilised. genuinely, as politicians, there is a bit of a question mark over how we deal with the future status of cannabis. it is one we are genuinely putting to the people. there isn't this deeply entrenched view from politicians. under those circumstances, it is a very useful tool. under those circumstances, it is a very usefultool. do under those circumstances, it is a

very useful tool. do you worry about the prospect of this country leaving the prospect of this country leaving the eu without a deal? could that impact on new zealand? absolutely. it would impact on just about everybody, business in particular. it would be particularly smaller businesses. whilst, absolutely, the decision over whether to leave or remain isa decision over whether to leave or remain is a matterfor the people, i will be very open that a no—deal scenario would be very, very difficult. but i sensed that eve ryo ne difficult. but i sensed that everyone is of that view. although, the leader of the labour party in this country, jeremy corbyn, is basically asking the british prime minister theresa may to take no deal off the table so that is not a scenario. do you agree with him? how the mechanisms, the manner in which things are negotiated, these are all matters for the politicians here. but i can hand on heart say from our perspective and new zealand business's perspective no deal would

be very difficult. are you due to meetjeremy corbyn? be very difficult. are you due to meet jeremy corbyn? not jeremy corbyn, i'm only here until this evening. could you have met? i've only had a short period of time and iimagine, like only had a short period of time and i imagine, like prime minister theresa may com everyone is very occupied. you are a corbynista or a blairite? i don't liken myself to any other politician. i know this is any other politician. i know this is a natural inclination we have to put people at a better understand their politics. i've never likened myself to anyone. fair enough. i wanted to ask you about the death of grace millane, the british backpacker who died in your country towards the end of last year, last week a man appeared in court and denied her murder and appeared in court and denied her murderand ina appeared in court and denied her murderand in a news appeared in court and denied her murder and in a news conference last month you apologised on behalf of your country to grace my family. let's ta ke your country to grace my family. let's take a look. there is an overwhelming sense of hurt and shame that this has happened in our country, a place

that prides itself on our hospitality, on our manaakitanga, especially to those who are visiting our shores, so, on behalf of new zealand, i want to apologise to grace's family. your daughter should have been safely and your daughter should have been safe here and she wasn't, and i am sorry for that. why did you feel that you wanted to apologise? new zealand is a place that really prides itself on its hospitality. i used the word manaakitanga and that speaks to if you come to new zealand we want to treat you with great hospitality. that is something new zealanders hold up high. to have that young person's life tragically cut short, thatis person's life tragically cut short, that is something new zealanders felt very deeply, all of us. it was

clear that you did as well.|j felt very deeply, all of us. it was clear that you did as well. i was one of them. that is not to diminish, it gives me terrible... diminish, it gives me we one of them. that is not to diminish, it gives me we have a terrible domestic violence issue in new zealand, it is not to diminish that, but this particular case was that, but this particular case was that this was a guest and we haven't been able to care for her as new zealanders like to. i wonder if you are also potentially, and you may not have been, reflecting on the fa ct not have been, reflecting on the fact that you now had a daughter. undoubtedly. i know undeubtedly'. 7! kwewthis—ie i was prepared for because something i was prepared for because é—f— something i was prepared for because w have parents 7' " something i was prepared for because w have parents explain " something i was prepared for because § have parents explain this = you have parents explain this new phenomenon of feeling emotions much acutely “if: you phenomenon of feeling emotions much acutely “1: you become a . g that has . g for that has . g for me. . that has . g for me. what t has . g for me. what have gn- - . g for me. what have g done, happened for me.mhaehaveyoquonfi can you do to protect other what can you do to protect other young people heading towards your country? of course, you know, we would still maintain that new

zealand is a safe place. we have had an absolutely awful act and a tragedy occurred but we do all we can to maintain the level of safety that people can come to new zealand and expect that. you have been called the anti—trump by vogue magazine but the us newspaper the wall streetjournal said you magazine but the us newspaper the wall street journal said you were similarto wall street journal said you were similar to donald trump when it comes to immigration. which is more accurate? of course, again, itry not to simply have myself described versus what i am to other politicians. it is fair to say i push back. we have increased the quota of refugees we accepted new zealand. i reject that comparison. when you met donald trump, what did you think of him? that in person he presents as he does on the public stage. obviously he has an agenda

that he feels very keenly and is very focused on. obviously we take different views on many issues. you have experienced some verbal abuse, all politicians do. we do! i'm going to mention one insult, if it's all right. by all means, it is obviously i've done that one i've heard before. a party leader said lipstick ona peg, before. a party leader said lipstick on a peg, and another said politicians need more than smiles and waves. you joined the labour party as a teenager. how sexist have you found the world of politics to be? i would describe those as the insults that exist within politics. in terms of the gendered nature, actually new zealand relative to others, we do fairly well. i'm the third e—mail prime minister. those previous prime ministers have carved a path for me that i'm incredibly grateful for. there wasn't a huge amount of commentary in new zealand about my sex because that wasn't of

interest. that is something for us thatis interest. that is something for us that is not unusual. is there a bit of gender and sexism? yes, there is in most environments, but actually, relative to others, we do pretty well. what instead i would point to is that it's a bit of old politics as usual. but is it acceptable? generally, the tone of politics i think needs to change, whether it is sexism, whether it is ageism, just personality politics generally, i would say, is the issue globally. we wa nt would say, is the issue globally. we want our people to be engaged in politics. when they are not it's a problem, it means we have democracy is people don't buy into any more and more that we have that tit—for—tat name—calling, insults, it looks as though we are not focused on the things that matter to people, people disengage and our democracies come under threat. that isa democracies come under threat. that is a much bigger issue for me than a focus on sexism. fair enough. i wa nted focus on sexism. fair enough. i wanted to ask you about the #metoo

movement and swept through so many different sectors. have you experienced sexual harassment in politics? for me it is more as a status of an employee in the past, i have experienced it, but in multiple workplaces, politics is not the only places it exists in. what kinds of things have you experienced? i've never gone into too much detail, mostly because i don't think this is afamily as mostly because i don't think this is a family as an individual, it is about the movement. i have also been very quick, as i'vejust about the movement. i have also been very quick, as i've just done about the movement. i have also been very quick, as i'vejust done now, to point out that i've had as many experiences in professions outside of politics. this is not about one place of work. it's not about hollywood. you are saying it has happened to you as well? you would say #metoo? show me a woman it hasn't happened to and then let's start a conversation about how that has been possible for them because we need to create an environment

where all women are free from those experiences. laura has texted and wa nts to experiences. laura has texted and wants to ask this. i am a mum of a 13—month—old with a demanding job. how do you manage tiredness, relationships at work and making decisions on limited sleep? probably i would just grapple with it in the same way laura is trying to do. we ta ke same way laura is trying to do. we take every day as it comes. my partner clark and i juggle the take every day as it comes. my partner clark and ijuggle the care of neve between ourselves and our wonderful mothers, we don't have a nanny, some of the logistics of living between two cities are testing and some of those days when i have neve and a nappy bag and trying to get on planes and read papers, it is sometimes a struggle, but it is giving me an experience thatis but it is giving me an experience that is similar to all the women who work and juggle family. i find that incredibly insightful and important to me as! incredibly insightful and important

to me as i do myjob. i value those experiences. i don't have any tricks but i do have a baby that sleeps so i'm very lucky. you are! which is harder, being prime minister or being a new mum? they are completely different roles. i get a different i°y different roles. i get a different joy from motherhood. than i do from my role as prime minister. she is a perfect anecdote. they are working beautifully together. —— antidote. really? yes. at the end of the day, of course it is easy to feel like you have the weight of the world on your shoulders, at least the weight of your country, and it's amazing what her just of your country, and it's amazing what herjust giggling at me can do to bring perspective. which is more pleasurable? i get great joy from both but i have said that... being prime minister it is a privilege, as much as it is a difficultjob it is a privilege. but politics comes and goes and when i'm done in politics i will always be a mum. do you feel

conflicted sometimes, pulled one way when you want to spend time with your baby? absolutely. so does every parent, i expect, your baby? absolutely. so does every parent, iexpect, mums your baby? absolutely. so does every parent, i expect, mums and dads. do you experienced the guilt? do you feel the guilt? yes, you experienced the guilt? do you feelthe guilt? yes, absolutely. the guilt of whether or not i'm a good enough daughter, sister, partner, mother. but, again, show me a woman who doesn't. built on twitter says, i'd like to ask the prime minister of new zealand if she has a spare hour, could she take on being prime minister of the uk as well wasn't being a mum she will be used in multitasking of doing five things at once so running the uk should be easy for her. sadly our current politicians couldn't even change a nappy. thankfully i don't have the challenges that the politicians here have at this time, we have our own but they are very different. michelle obama recently said the idea that women can have it all is a lie. is she right? i was very aware

i was very aware even when i was very aware even when i announced i was having my daughter but i needed to prove that it was possible for women to do everything. and i've always been open saying that i cannot, i cannot physically do thejob of that i cannot, i cannot physically do the job of being that i cannot, i cannot physically do thejob of being prime minister and being a mother all i myself. i co nsta ntly and being a mother all i myself. i constantly talk about the fact we should not expect women to be superhuman. and so i do what i do because i have the support and help and call parenting with my partner clark. that's how i do what i do, i am nota clark. that's how i do what i do, i am not a superwoman clark. that's how i do what i do, i am not a superwoman and clark. that's how i do what i do, i am not a superwoman and we clark. that's how i do what i do, i am not a superwoman and we should not pretend we are, it doesn't a disservice to all women and raises expectations that no one can meet. when i look on your twitter feed, there are people on their two really praise you and say you are a super woman, that's how they view you. yes, no! no tom you know, there are days when i walk into my house and

think, if there is any side i am letting down it is the tidiness of the house that i live in. i am no superwoman adolf. i think we set ourselves up to fail. —— superwoman at all. for me, that's because i am human. i don't mind people seeing frailty. i'm just human. i don't mind people seeing frailty. i'mjust dry human. i don't mind people seeing frailty. i'm just dry to imagine that the politician needed a press conference with a bit of baby, that will be such a big deal. that's probably at fault as well, as in we, the media. you've previously talked about how anxious you get and you thought anxiety could preclude you from the topjobs, thought anxiety could preclude you from the top jobs, you said thought anxiety could preclude you from the topjobs, you said i live in co nsta nt from the topjobs, you said i live in constant fear of what might be, i hate letting people down, feeling like i'm not doing thejob as hate letting people down, feeling like i'm not doing the job as well asi like i'm not doing the job as well as i should, i got a pretty big weight of responsibility right now, i can't weight of responsibility right now, ican't imagine weight of responsibility right now, i can't imagine doing much more than that. you said much —— that before you became leader of your party,

leader of the country and your mother. how are your anxiety levels. when you read the quote i would like to think it's probably a group of people who would nod and say those are natural, human emotions. there are natural, human emotions. there area are natural, human emotions. there are a huge number of people, particularly women, often tend to seek the deficit, whether or not we are good enough to do the next challenge or the nextjob, rather than the skills and capabilities that we have. i would like to think in thejobs we that we have. i would like to think in the jobs we have over the years andi in the jobs we have over the years and i have done over the years i have normal levels of anxiety but i was open about talking about it. do you have any tricks to manage your anxiety? absolutely, ones that i would promote forjust general well—being. i talk to people. i talked about people and to people about some of the things i am working through, i think it's a good way of doing politics, i socialise problems i am working through. but

for me, what's is being open about managing well—being issues. i live ina managing well—being issues. i live in a country where there is a serious issue with mental health and well—being. numbers of the royal family here openly talking about those issues. we need to create a permissive environment where we can talk about those issues because some of the solutions lie in us being more open. this text says i followed your achievements with greatjoy and your achievements with greatjoy and your style of politics is beautiful and compassionate. thank you for showing the world i strong and powerful and loving women can lead the world to a better place. another reviewer says if only the leader of our party was such a great woman. another young person treated and seen you another young person treated and seen you have reignited the passion and ability of women to make great leaders. laura says i already buy

reasonably priced new zealand lamb, kiwi fruit, wine and butter under present eu trading agreements. once the uk leads the eu vote at the likely benefits to the new zealand economy exporting to the uk under world trade organisation tariffs? your goods would become more expensive. well, iwouldn't your goods would become more expensive. well, i wouldn't make any assumptions before we have the ability to move into negotiations. at all is to make markets more accessible for new zealand products by removing the barriers and so i wouldn't say it's a natural by—product. for us it's about saying we are complimentary, i don't think the domestic market and the producers of food in the uk need to be nervous about greater access for new zealand products because seasonally we are complimentary, there is a nice synergy, when you are in winterwe there is a nice synergy, when you are in winter we are in summer. those benefits between the markets having greater access to one another. for us as well we like to

add particular quality to our products. take for instance the new zealand lamb, it is high in mega, it is like eating fish, we try to differentiate between products you are able to access. for us it is about increasing trading relationship with the benefit of the dish consumers. we are free range, we don't like to use hormones, we are environmentally sustainable in our products. great if you are able to access them. we will see what happens. you've been so open, thank you, you are incredibly open about yourfamily life, job, you, you are incredibly open about your family life, job, i've watched some of your life posts on facebook, in the hospital room where you gave birth with your partner in the background. from your sofa at home with you sleeping baby on your la ptop with you sleeping baby on your laptop in about particular policy on the date was coming in, videos from behind—the—scenes at the un. the date was coming in, videos from behind—the—scenes at the uni

the date was coming in, videos from behind-the-scenes at the un. i did some in the car this morning. yes, it was a bit dark but otherwise it was great. no reading what someone else has written for you, no autocue, no script. it is rather different from other world leaders, not that i've met that many but i've seen not that i've met that many but i've seen them. why is being open so important to you? i think we are in an era, fora important to you? i think we are in an era, for a whole host of reasons, people have lost faith in politicians and political institutions. there's no point is falling over the course of history to appoint blame people i think are looking for reasons why they don't feel like they are getting a head or their life isn't what they feel has been promised from politicians. i think if we are going to restore a little faith, in part it's what we deliver and i think we need to respond to people's needs but at the same time be need to be human about the way we do it. politicians, altima click our frail individuals, we are humans, most of the time we

go into politics for genuine reasons. i think we need to benefit in demonstrating there doesn't have to bea in demonstrating there doesn't have to be a veneer. we are doing the best that we can. we can be normal. we can and we are normal and if that can restore a little bit of face, and faith in politicians ultimately democracy is better off. and my country as small. everyone needs me in the street or supermarket, you can be two people. do you have a role model? multiple role models. who are they? this is going to sound cheesy, my mum and dad and my closest but different politicians, helen clark is one of them, not many people have done this job. and i wonder if only if i could ask you, can you imagine asking your partner, clark gayford to marry you or will you wait for him to ask you? i would not ask, no. are you a? absolutely,

absolutely i am a feminist. but no, i want to put him through the pain and torture of agonising about the question himself. that's letting him off the hook, absolutely not! we await that day, thank you so much becoming the programme. we appreciated. thank you. good luck with the meeting with mr macro. —— theresa may. theresa may will this afternoon set out her new plan to try to get a brexit deal through parliament, after that huge defeat last week on her initial plan which she had agreed with eu negotiators. meanwhile a group of mps, including some conservatives, are expected to put forward proposals that would give parliament greater control over the brexit process, including the power to delay brexit. our political guru norman smith is at westminster. what will happen this afternoon?” suspect what we will hear from mrs may is for the third from her many times before, mainly her belief that

her dealers the only viable way of leaving the i other than no deal. i will be than be e: vision $511,575: than be e: vision or 11,275: than be e: vision or plan 5-5: rather than any new vision or plan b. this, of course, comesjust a week after she suffered at shattering defeat which doesn't really seem to have changed her mind in anyway. more than that we know there have been talks with opposition politicians to see if it's possible to forge some sort of cross— party it's possible to forge some sort of cross—party consensus, again that doesn't seem to have made much difference because mrs may seems to be hunkering down, refusing to compromise over things like maybe delaying brexit day or maybe looking at joining delaying brexit day or maybe looking atjoining a customs union. and so it seems as if the prime minister is again looking to the tory big ears and the dup to try and get them on board. there were some suggestions that may be the likes of jacob rees mogg, prominent brexiteer, was

softening a bit in his opposition to mrs may's deal, after he said at the weekend, maybe he could work with the prime minister at the eu showed flexibility. this morning however when he appeared on lbc, he was pretty clear that he now thinks no deal is the most likely outcome. 0k, i think if you work to rank them, the most likely is no deal. the second most likely is a re—done deal, third is delay, forth a long way behind, is not leaving at all. and a people's vote as it is so—called? it doesn't even come out of the paddock, round the parade ring? it's got remarkably little support, it will be very divisive in the labour party. most conservatives don't want it. can i ask you about the backstop. if that is the way theresa may is going to go i thought the eu had said on multiple occasions because it's part of the legally binding withdrawal

agreement, that's the part that cannot be re—negotiated. agreement, that's the part that cannot be re-negotiated. they really have, mrs may before she put her deal to the boat got a letter from arnold tusk and jean—claude juncker which was their best offer on the backstop. and there was nothing in it which was going to meet the concerns of tory brexiteers that there had to be legally binding routes which would enable the uk to get out of that, in other words, to get out of that, in other words, to get out of the customs arrangements because there are theories basically, we will be stuck in it forever and a day. the eu, have been pretty consistent on this and there was a little bit of chitchat at the weekend, maybe we could get round the eu if we struck a deal with ireland. well, dublin have said no to that, london have kind of conceded that is not going to happen. it's incredibly hard to see how mrs may is going to make any progress, given that the eu don't seem progress, given that the eu don't seem in the market to move and we haven't got any fresh thinking at

the moment from the government. thank you. joining me now is shadow foreign secretary labour's emily thornberry. do you accept we may not be in this position had journey corbin gone to meet theresa may to find a way through. no, i don't think so i'm afraid. those people who went to see herfind afraid. those people who went to see her find exactly what was going to happen. there were leaders of other political parties. the problem is she doesn't have a plan b, she's not even prepared to consider it. but jeremy said was, sure i will come and see you that you really need to stop threatening us leaving with no deal and he wasn't prepared to even do that. that's not a lot of good will and indeed, like do that. that's not a lot of good willand indeed, like a do that. that's not a lot of good will and indeed, like a day later we are back on i am going to talk to my cabinet ministers, i'm going to talk to my backbenchers, i'm not going to reach out. it was a little bit of a pr exercise. you think so? i'm afraid so. when people say he met

with hammers and his brother, people founded bewildering he would not meet the prime minister. if we want to get on with real negotiations... how do you respond to that specific on? we respond to the specific crisis now, how do we get through now, why do we get through this problem and we have a prime minister who has lost a bold, she could not have had a worse result and she comes back today by all accounts, there is no plan b, only plan an all over again. and with no thinking around it. people are coming out, you would have thought you had two yea rs you would have thought you had two years and you haven't got anything better than this. there is a feeling amongst some that labour is not particularly interested in finding a way through are helping to find a way through are helping to find a way through. you are content to sit on your hands and allow brexit to happen with the conservatives name on it. that's not fair. right at the outset there was talk about a

cross— party outset there was talk about a cross—party commission, she rejected that. we've always had down for the negotiating position was, over two yea rs negotiating position was, over two years ago we said you had to be in a customs union. we've been saying that all the way through, be put down amendments and they flip against it and every attempt that has been made to work with them they rebuff us. we genuinely have dry to keep them honest and sensible.“ rebuff us. we genuinely have dry to keep them honest and sensible. it is just being rejected. my door is open, vista corbin. stop threatening us with no deal, stop threatening us with no deal. —— —— mist corbyn. i don't think it's a serious negotiating tactic to go to the eu and say if you don't get me what i wa nt eye ball and say if you don't get me what i want eyeball blow my brains out and you might get some blood on you. it will undermine the economy. it would also frankly maker said laughing stock. we are a serious democracy,

how on earth are we going to succeed in this position? over 70 labour mps have cold on the record as backing another referendum, jeremy corbyn is very reluctant, why? no, he is... he is not reluctant? he is keeping to party policy which was agreed unanimously at the party conference and we are doing it, absolutely as we have been told by the membership, we have been told by the membership, we voted against the deal as it did not meet our tests. we cold a general election, we haven't been able to do that, we might come back and try that again because frankie, as it becomes obvious she is running down the clock, she is just seeing, she is playing chicken with the nation, blackmailing us. some supporters of labour it feels like you are running down the clock. we you are running down the clock.% are running through different options are set up by party policy, we go for a general election, we are

now at this stage of looking at all options on the table, we are dry to say to her, look, you need to have a customs deal, we have to be part of a customs union, you have to stop blackmailing us on no deal, there are certain things you have to do, we have in saying that and if we end up we have in saying that and if we end up when we are absolutely about to hit a wall of no deal of course we will try anything we can to make sure we protect the country. you would leave at that late? have to wait and see what happens in the next couple of weeks, we are not in the driving seat come theresa may is in the driving seat and we do not know what she is doing. and neither did she. if the deal is voted down again at the end ofjanuary, next week, a week tomorrow and you cannot force a general election, then jeremy corbyn will come out and say yes, it's time for a second referendum? i think there are other things that need to be done. like what? if we get to the end of january and still haven't got

anything they really will need to start thinking about extending article 50. it doesn't make any sense. can you see how to some of your members it looks like you are dry to do absolutely everything you can not to get nearer to campaigning publicly for a second referendum? we are doing everything we absolutely can to stop no deal and for the deal to bea can to stop no deal and for the deal to be a reasonable one. that is what we are doing and we are also absolutely, you know, if push comes to shove of course, of course, there has to be, in the end, i think it comes down to this... theresa may took the mickey out of me and said i was saying something peculiar, i wasn't. i always said you can't have a referendum and say you want to leave and give it to the tories and go leave and give it to the tories and 9° 9° leave and give it to the tories and go go one, jog on, do whatever you want. that has to be another injection of democracy so we settled ona injection of democracy so we settled on a meaningful vote. that is not last—minute stop if we don't get that, then we should have a general

election, that's another bit of democracy if we don't get bad, we have a people's vote. there has to be some way in which a parliament cannot agree we have a prime minister who is not prepared to accommodate any other view, there has to be eric injection of democracy. is the labour top team, the shadow front bench, coalescing now around extending article 50, is that going to come ahead of campaigning publicly for a second referendum? i think anyone who is reasonable, practical and pragmatic, looking at the situation we are in, needing to be honest with the british people, is clearly factored into everyone's thinking that article 50 has to be extended. the eu has said and i quite understand why, they don't want to extend article 50 two so that britain has a bit more time to keep arguing. needs to bea bit more time to keep arguing. needs to be a clearer plan. our problem is we are in the opposition, we are not

in the driving seat. it's hard for us in these circumstances, we are doing what we can. do you support attem pts doing what we can. do you support atte m pts by doing what we can. do you support attempts by ordinary mps to try and win more power over the future direction of brexit? i think if you have a government that is incapable of doing it, if not able to have another government, this is just of doing it, if not able to have another government, this isjust one of the options on the table, we will need to see, i haven't seen the amendments yet, i would need to read them carefully. you don't know if you support the plan to delay...” have not seen the draft, i've heard people talking about it, i need to see the draft and we need to discuss it, we need to look at what the ramifications might be, it's all very well having an amendment that you want to achieve this but let's make sure there aren't any unintended consequences, you need to be curveball so i cannot in your programme today tell you what the response will be. are you disappointed that the prime minister of new zealand hasn't found time to

meet germany corbin today? we saw her last time and i am going to new zealand in june, her last time and i am going to new zealand injune, iwas her last time and i am going to new zealand injune, i was talking to her about it. —— jeremy corbyn. sorry we did not bring you the story about a freezing, we wanted to keep talking to the new zealand prime minister so we will bring it to you tomorrow. some comments about the new zealand prime minister, mark saysis new zealand prime minister, mark says is there a way to clone the new zealand prime minister, what a breath of fresh air. new zealand, you have a gym. another says has she got room in her luggage for me to ta ke got room in her luggage for me to take the one—way trip to new zealand? take the one—way trip to new zealand ? keith says take the one—way trip to new zealand? keith says the new zealand prime minister, a breath of fresh air, an example of humanists. an example for all politicians to follow. the reins as for the heart—warming interview, our politicians should listen and see how it can be done. and charlotte says such an impressive and powerful and eloquently deep. —— eloquent

lady. jason says on domestic abuse, i hope the new law announced today will help to protect men, some of us carry the scars of domestic abuse from a woman. thank you so much for those. you can see more of the interview with the new zealand prime minister and social media. bbc newsroom live is next, have a great day. why, good morning. many of us had a cloudy start to the day, down to the south—east of england, there was some sunshine. the coldest weather through this morning, temperatures well below freezing. many of us have this cloud, that is the situation in lincolnshire. the clubs that are towards scotland and northern ireland. later this afternoon the rain turning to snow, many of the

higher ground in western scotland. some breaks in the cloud, feeling pretty chilly, maximum temperatures 4-6d. pretty chilly, maximum temperatures 4—6d. tonight this band of rain and has no moving south—east words, some snow over the pennines, through snowdonia, down to low levels, there could be wintry flurries and the risk of ice across many northern and western areas, temperatures for close to freezing. in the south—east, there is rain, temperatures staying 4—6d, the rest of the week pretty chilly, wintry showers expected, sunny spells in between, sharp frosts by night, turning less cold at the time we get to friday. goodbye. you're watching bbc newsroom live.

i'm joanna gosling at westminster where theresa may will today set out how she hopes to break the brexit deadlock. six days after her plan was rejected by mps, it's expected she'll suggest changes to the plan to avoid a hard irish border, but some brexiteers in her own party are sceptical. most likely is no deal. the second most likely is a re—done deal. third is delay and fourth, a long way behind, is not leaving at all. millions of eu citizens living in the uk can apply for settled status from today. it allows them to continue living and working here after brexit. and in today's other news: china reports its slowest growth rate for nearly three decades.