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hello, it's wednesday, it's10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. in an exclusive interview with this programme, the dad of charlotte brown, killed in a speedboat accident on the thames while on a date, appeals directly to the man convicted of her manslaughter to give himself up — promising that as her father, "he will never rest" untiljack shepherd is caught. but, please, if you're watching this, hand yourself in. there's an awful lot of resources, from the police, to home office, national crime agency — they're looking for you and i'm personally never going to rest or stop until you're in custody. charlotte brown's dad also tells us he believes jack shepherd's solicitors know where he is, something they deny. the victims‘ commissioner for england & wales is calling for a huge overhaul of the process for claiming criminal injuries compensation, saying it takes too long and is too traumatic for the victims. we are traumatising victims as they go through the criminal injuries process, and i don't think it's right that we traumatise them,
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yet again, from a process that they consistently have to prove and fill in these forms. we'll be talking to this woman, who spent eight years fighting for compensation, after suffering sexual abuse as a child. 16 influencers, with a combined following of more than 7a million people, have pledged to change how they post content, after the competition watchdog said they should make it clear when they are being paid to endorse products. hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. if you are a student at university, does your uni do enough to support and look after vulnerable students? betwen 2016 and ‘17, 95 undergraduates took their own lives and we're going to talk to the mum of one 22—year—old who
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really was struggling and wants unis to do more more to spot strudents who are in need of some help. what happens at your univeristy — let me know. use the hashtag victorialive or send us an email victoria@bbc.co.uk, and if you want to join the conversation, do put your fone number in your email. here's annita mcveigh with a summary of the days news. good morning, everyone. former chancellor george osborne has likened leaving the eu without a deal to playing russian roulette with the uk economy. he told the bbc at the world economic forum that delaying brexit after the 29th march is "the most likely option" and would allow time to explore alternative deals. well, the gun is held to the british economy's head, if you like. russian roulette is a game which, obviously, you should never play, in which there is a one in six chance that the bullet goes into your head, and if you start pretending that we might leave without a deal, then that might become a reality. and i think it's interesting
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that my successor, philip hammond, has sensibly told british businesses that's not a possibility, but we now need to hear it the british prime minister. the family of 24—year—old charlotte brown, who was killed in a speedboat accident on the river thames while on a date, have made a direct appeal for the man convicted of her death to give himself up. jack shepherd's on the run and was convicted of manslaughter in his absence. although shepherd's solicitors say they don't know where he is, charlotte's father, graham brown, says he believes that they do. i don't think the legal team have acted, they might have acted legally but ethically and morally, whether it is their legal team or the way it operates, it doesn't feel right to me. i think they do know where he is. they will say they don't. my own personal opinion is they do. we have
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this crazy situation, client privilege, where they don't have to help or assist the police. two planes have taken off this morning to resume the search for the cardiff city footballer, emiliano sala, whose plane went missing on monday night. the striker was travelling back to wales from france when his light aircraft lost contact near guernsey. sala was one of two people on board the plane. he had only signed for cardiff at the weekend. britain's most senior counter—terrorism police officer has warned that right—wing extremists could exploit what he described as the "febrile" atmosphere around brexit. assistant commissioner neil basu said he was concerned about the "creeping threat" posed by far—right groups. although he's acknowledged there was no intelligence pointing to an increased risk of terror attacks after brexit, he was concerned about a potential rise in hate crime. zimbabwe's human rights commission has accused security forces of using "systematic tortu re" against protesters. there have been numerous reports of assaults allegedly carried out by the military, since violent protests broke out more than a week ago —
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following a sharp rise in fuel prices. the president insists abuse against civilians will not be tolerated. ellie goulding and rita ora are among 16 public figures who've agreed to be more open on social media about when they've been paid to endorse products. the move comes after an investigation by the competition and markets authority which warned the social media stars that their posts may be breaking consumer law if they fail to clearly state when they've been paid or received any gifts or loans of products they endorse in posts. and that is a summary of some of the main news today. back to you, victoria. thank you very much. after 10:30, we'll talk to film star richa chadha was one of the first women to speak out about sexual harrassment in bollywood. she's here to talk about that, and her latest film that's about to be released in the uk. that's coming up at 10:30. do get in touch with us
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throughout the morning — use the hashtag victorialive. in an exclusive interview, the family of a 24—year—old woman killed in a speedboat accident on the river thames while on a date have made a direct powerful appeal to the man responsbile for her death to give himself up. i say to jack shepherd, you've caused our family a lot of harm and devastation. but really, you need to look at what you've done and come back and atone for the damage that you've done. you need to come back and serve your sentence, not only because that's the right thing to do, but you will need to do that, so that you can eventually move on, yourself. it can't be any fun being a fugitive. it doesn't sound any fun to me. but please, if you're watching this, hand yourself in. there's an awful lot of resources, from the police, home office, national crime agency — they're looking for you and i'm personally never going to rest or stop until you're in custody.
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charlotte brown died after she was flung from jack shepherd's boat into the thames. he's on the run, reportedly abroad, after he didn't show up for his trial. he was convicted of manslaughter in his absence and sentenced to six years in jail. he's been granted legal aid to appeal against his conviction. yesterday, charlotte brown's family met the home secretary sajid javid & the national crime agency, to get reassurances everything was being done to find shepherd, and whether someone fleeing justice should be allowed to claim legal aid. the home sec told them he would "strain every sinew" to make sure shepherd is caught. we'll bring you the full exclusive interview with charlotte's sister and dad in a moment, but first, here's what happened in 2015. it was on this stretch of the river thames, in december 2015, that tragedy struck. 24—year—old charlotte brown, known as charli to her friends, was on a date with a man
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called jack shepherd. the pair had been for a meal in the shard and had been drinking. shepherd decided to take charlotte on his speedboat to impress her. it wasn't the first date he'd tried this on. the boat was speeding. this is video from charlotte's phone. you can hear her say how fast they are going. oh, my god, you're going so fast! shepherd let charlotte take control. a short time later, the boat crashed and overturned... ..and charlotte died. neither of us were wearing life jackets... police charged shepherd with manslaughter by gross negligence. but before the trial had even started, he'd disappeared. the court heard that the boat was poorly maintained and that life jackets weren't being worn.
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shepherd was convicted in his absence last summer and sentenced to six years in jail. despite still being on the run, he has been granted legal aid and given permission to appeal against his conviction. charlotte brown's family spoke to us straight after that meeting with the home secretary sajid javid, in an exclusive interview. they told me how the search for jack shepherd was now international. they said they are looking at all the areas that have been mentioned in the press. i think from the police‘s perspective, they don't wa nt to police‘s perspective, they don't want to give anything away in an active investigation and the message from the police was, and the national crime agency, you have to trust us, we are doing our utmost to locate shepherd. without being
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specific about what leads they were following. do you trust them to find him? i think i have following. do you trust them to find him? i thinkl have a lot following. do you trust them to find him? i think i have a lot more faith than i did have. i did say to the police today, how confident are you you are going to locate him? they said, basically they were very confident. because last month, you said you didn't feel that they were actively seeking shepherd, you had no confidence they were doing that? i guess... first, no confidence they were doing that? iguess... first, i no confidence they were doing that? i guess... first, i have to thank the police for doing an absolutely terrificjob the police for doing an absolutely terrific job with the the police for doing an absolutely terrificjob with the investigation and following it through and getting and following it through and getting a conviction at trial. the police investigation team have done their job, they brought shepherd to trial and got the conviction. so, what next? i think it was more of a misunderstanding of what the process is...i misunderstanding of what the process is... i think it was the sharing of information, where they were unable to tell us exactly what they were doing. sol
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to tell us exactly what they were doing. so i think now we know more, and had the reassurance they are following leads and they are actively looking. do you think they will trace and track him down?|j mean, we really hope so. we are hopeful. the other question that to be put to the home secretary today was the option of investigating whether shepherd's legal team, the communication and looking into the communication, the way they communicated and if there was a way to trace that. that is another area, a route they are looking into. it's reported shepherd's legal team say they don't know where he is. do you believe them? i don't personally, and this is a personal opinion, i don't think the legal team have acted... they might have acted legally but ethically or morally,
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whether it is their legal team or the way it operates, it doesn't feel right to me. i think they do know where he is. they will say they don't, but my own personal opinion is that they do. we have this crazy situation, client privilege, where they don't have to help or assist they don't have to help or assist the police. they reportedly said it is not theirjob to dob him in. well, something needs to be looked at there, because i think to the lay man in the street, for a solicitor to receive taxpayer funded man in the street, for a solicitor to receive taxpayerfunded money man in the street, for a solicitor to receive taxpayer funded money to fund this appeal, and yet we have a fugitive who is basically sticking two fingers up at the justice system, yet they are using the justice system with taxpayers money... most people would question that. it doesn't feel right, it isn't right, in my opinion. it's about having faith in the system, as
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well. yes, this is something devastating that has happened to our family and it is awful for us to be going through this, but also, the way that the system works at the moment, what's to stop someone else having to go through this? what message does it send out, that a convicted criminal has been so easily been allowed to get away with almost... the conviction?” easily been allowed to get away with almost... the conviction? i think it's fair to say our family do feel let down by the criminaljustice system, because jack shepherd was able to flout the law. u nfortu nately, able to flout the law. unfortunately, our daughter lost her life. then absent from his trial, whilst on unconditional bail. just how easy it was for him to abscond has surely got to be a concern. do you think the home office, the home secretary should look at that? in
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terms of how easy it was to flout the bail conditions and abscond? to me, i don't know whether it is the police, the cps, the clunkyjustice system, something's not right. police, the cps, the clunkyjustice system, something's not rightlj think there is restrictions on them, that they were able to hold him. it's a question about how the system works, i think. do it's a question about how the system works, ithink. do you it's a question about how the system works, i think. do you think anyone in authority knows where jack shepherd is? personally, i don't find it credible that anyone from his friends and family know where he is... the silence is deafening from his friends and family. no one has made any comment whatsoever and i find that bizarre. i certainly don't find that bizarre. i certainly don't find it credible that nobody knows where he is. he must be, being aided by some support, whether financial 01’ by some support, whether financial or whatever. somebody is helping him. as for professionally, i can't
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speculate, but my own opinion is that their solicitors could perhaps do more to locate him.|j that their solicitors could perhaps do more to locate him. i agree with that. i think if the authorities knew, i think he possibly would have been arrested by now. but i agree with that and i think there must be friends or family that no more than what they are telling the police. what would you say to them if they do know? we would urge them to come forward and do the right thing. they need to examine their conscience. you know, it's not right whatjack shepherd has done. they need to really examine their conscience and ask themselves what are they hoping to achieve? they are not helping jack shepherd. they might think they are, but he is a young man who has got his whole life ahead of him and he isa got his whole life ahead of him and he is a fugitive. he is not going to be able to move on until he has done
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his sentence. why do you think he fled? well, he reported at the trial, when his qc stood up and said the reason he is not here was through cowardice, not wanting to face the family. i don't know whether that is true or not. how would you describe his actions? arrogant, i think it's arrogance, that he thinks he will be able to get away with it and convinced... he won't be caught. from that night, it's been proven he is reckless and doesn't have a regard for safety for himself or other people. unfortunately, it resulted in charli losing her life. i'm guessing you think about charli every day. yes. not a day goes by without thinking about charlotte. to say it's the most heartbreaking, distressing
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episode of all our lives is not an understatement. i don't think anything ever prepares anyone for what happened. and to lose someone so what happened. and to lose someone so close to you... you all right? and she is absolutely missed. such a fun, loving, giving woman you could not hope to meet. you know, a first date, how unfortunate it was that she had to meetjack shepherd. date, how unfortunate it was that she had to meet jack shepherd. she wasjust looking for she had to meet jack shepherd. she was just looking for love. she had to meet jack shepherd. she wasjust looking for love. yes. she had so much ahead of her. she was learning to drive, she just got her first car. just had a promotion. just had a promotion, her career was on its way. and she is just just had a promotion, her career was on its way. and she isjust going to be missed every single day, i think. i want to ask you about the fact the
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ministry ofjustice have launched an urgent review into the fact jack shepherd is able to claim legal aid to pay for his appeal against his conviction and sentence. what do you think about that? for me, if they have organised a review, it tells me that people in the ministry of justice also think it is wrong. and they are also reacting probably to public outrage, that somebody who has been able to basically stick up two fingers to the justice system, bea two fingers to the justice system, be a fugitive and then use the legal system in this manner is not right. should legal aid be denied to him?|j should legal aid be denied to him?” think whatever safeguards can be put in place need to be put in place, to stop the abuse of legal aid. because it isa stop the abuse of legal aid. because it is a privilege to get legal aid, it is a privilege to get legal aid, it shouldn't be able to be abused in this manner. i wonder if you want to take this
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opportunity as charli's dad to talk directly to jack shepherd and appealed to him directly. i would say to jack shepherd, you have caused our family a lot of harm and devastation. but really, you need to look at what you've done and come back and atone for the damage that you've done. you need to come back and serve your sentence, not only because that's the right thing to do but he will need to do that so you can eventually move on yourself. it can't be any fun being a fugitive, it doesn't sound any fun to me. but please, if you are watching this, hand yourself in. there's an awful lot of resources from the police, to home office, national crime agency, they are looking for you. i'm personally never going to rest or stop until you're in custody. is there anything that you would want to add, katie? to add to that, i would say if you
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had a shred of humanity, then you would come back and hand yourself in and serve your sentence. thank you both very much for talking to us, we appreciate your time, thank you. thank you. thank you for having us on your show, thank you. katie and graham brown. we asked jack shepherd's solicitors, tuckers solicitors, to come on the programme. they delined, but say they have no idea where their client is and are duty bound to continue with his appeal. the metropolitan police says it continues to work closely with the crown prosecution service, national crime agency and other specialist agencies to track, trace and arrest jack shepherd — wherever he may be. the ministry ofjustice says: "we understand and sympathise with concerns around this case and are looking carefully into the issues it has raised." andrew tweets, i commend this father for his measured tone. i'm not sure i could show the same level of restraint. we wish him well in his pursuit of justice for restraint. we wish him well in his pursuit ofjustice for his daughter. he has my utmost respect. jp on twitter says... still to come:
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after the me too movement against sexual harrassment and assault in hollywood became one of the defining issues in film, we'll speak to actor richa chadha about her suport for the campaign and how it's being perceived in bollywood. last week, in another of our exclusives, we brought you the shocking story of a mum from lancashire who, with her disabled daughter, has been left homeless, despite her daughter having £500,000 in a compensation fund. the money was awarded to 20—year—old courtney boden under the criminal injuries compensation scheme,
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after she was severely assaulted by her father as a baby. it left her with severe physical and mental disabilities. but beverley neal's been told she can't use the cash to buy a suitable home for her and her daughter because the rules of the fund mean, as her mum, she isn't allowed to directly or indirectly benefit from the money. today, the victims‘ commissioner for england and wales is calling for a huge overhaul of the scheme, which she says — rather than compensating individuals — can actually be re—traumatising. she wants it simplified and improved. in a moment we'll speak to baroness newlove, the commissioner. but first, here's a clip from our show last week, when i asked beverley about how courtney might be able get access to her compensation. is it possible that you could live apart from courtney and then courtney would be able to get access to this half £1 million?
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yeah, they've offered to put courtney in a home and they will fund courtney to live in a home. away from you? away from me, yeah. not with me, which would not be good for me or courtney. more courtney than anything, because her lifestyle's been good and we have such a great relationship as well. her life would completely go downhill. they've had reports from school saying this, from people involved with courtney, teachers saying it's not in courtney's best interests. we've even had a social services best interest meeting, and it was unanimous that courtney stayed with me because her health would deteriorate, she would go in on herself. she's such a happy child with me. you can see from her smile, she's my world, aren't you? good girl. courtney, where do you want to live? with mum. with your mum. and why do you want to live with your mum? why do you want to live with me?
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new house. in a new house, why though? what are we? are you going to speak, what are we? peas in pod. peas in pod, yeah, we are, aren't we? peas in a pod. good girl. beverley neal is back with us with her daughter courtney. and solicitor neil sugarman, who's helping beverley after seeing her on our programme last week. we can also speak with megan — not her real name — who fought for years to get compensation after she was told by a detective not to apply for the any money because it might be used against her during the trial of her abuser, who was convicted several years ago. there's a two—year time limit for applications which she then missed. beverley, since we last spoke to you, you and courtney have been offered a council property but you
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can't actually afford the rent, despite this half £1 million sitting ina despite this half £1 million sitting in a fund? yes, that is correct. we went to look at it yesterday. it was a two bedroom bungalow run by a housing authority, through the council. when we got there, obviously it was in bad condition, and we still said we would have it because it would put a roof over our head. it was very small. i would still have to lift and carry but it would serve a purpose. at about two hours later, they rang us to say we had passed the affordability test and that because i am only surviving on my money and courtney doesn't get the full allowance, that we couldn't afford the property. so it looks like we can't even afford a council house to move into now, as well. so i don't know how we will ever get a house and not be homeless. baroness newlove is sitting alongside me as the victims commission, what do you think of this case? it is quite
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emotional listening to what is going on and seeing them on the screen todayis on and seeing them on the screen today is a step that is why we need an overhaul of the injuries compensation. we are not dealing with case files, we are dealing with human beings. that money is sitting there to help the family. it seems to bea there to help the family. it seems to be a hindrance. so that is why i am asking the government, in the recommendation, that they look at the implications of trust funds and having more transparency, because that money is somewhere and it is actually the legal adviser with the government. we have no control of it whatsoever. to not be able to have the accessibility, to help have a healthy life... ijust think it is awful. you are separating a family, which will not do anybody any good. or potentially separating, because that would be a way of courtney being able to access that money doesn't do you think you can put pressure on the official solicitor, on behalf of beverley and courtney?
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it is something i would take away, i will write to the secretary of state, put a letter in. and the recommendations in this report. but it needs a whole overhaul of that andl it needs a whole overhaul of that and i need to do that. i can't walk away and not try my best for the family. i am going to bring in megan, not her real name, who will talk about her experience. megan was abused when she was a child and she had to fight for compensation. over the last eight years, is that right? yes. originally a police officer advised you not to apply for any money, why? he said it would be brought up in court, it would have to be disclosed we had applied and if that was the case, then they could view it differently and think that was why we had taken the abuser to court, to claim compensation, basically. and did that make sense to you at the time? it did, because we didn't know anything about it. i
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had never heard of it before, never beenin had never heard of it before, never been in that position. didn't know anything about that system. he explained to us we could apply to the cica that advised it would have to be disclosed in court and could go against us. so we took his advice and then didn't claim until after the case. he was wrong, the advice was wrong? well, the advice was right but it took so long to get to court that by the time it got to court that by the time it got to court and then we tried applying, there was a two year window, which we didn't know about. so then they we re we didn't know about. so then they were saying we we didn't know about. so then they were saying we were we didn't know about. so then they were saying we were too late to apply, because we were supposed to have done it within the two years, from reporting the incident to actually applying. because that had then gone over, because it took over
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two years to get it to court, that we we re two years to get it to court, that we were out of date. but following on from that, we pushed and pushed and then got information from the detective, with effect to say he had advised us that. so then they actually agreed to let us go in and claim for it. we are not talking about sums of the scale around courtney's case. the compensation you eventually received after eight yea rs was around you eventually received after eight years was around £10,000? that's right, yes. what you say about this two—year time limit, people have to apply within two years, do you want it scrapped ? apply within two years, do you want it scrapped? there is no flexibility. again, this is not the only victim i have heard this from. it's not the police are misinforming that it's about mis—advising us that if you telling a victim they are traumatised and scared, they want a right to a fair trial. i want the ministry ofjustice to look at this two—year window may be, because the listings the trial are taking over
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two years, let them have that kind of recommendation where after the court trial, they have a year of opportunity to apply. they would be ina far opportunity to apply. they would be in a far better place than before. i have spoken to criminal injuries and they say you must log it as soon as possible and we have to stop the cross—examination. it feels like very threatening, in a sense, for people, because it makes them very scared. that then makes them want to go scared. that then makes them want to go to court. it has a knock—on effect. we need to look at this again and revise that recommendation. neil sugarman, you contributed to the review. what are problems as you see them with the criminal compensation scheme? ai a i walk mac report and review, there are sensible recommendations about the major problems with this scheme itself and the way i welcome all the recommendations. iassured scheme itself and the way i welcome all the recommendations. i assured a deep concerns about the imposition
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of these trusts that we have the numberof of these trusts that we have the number of who of these trusts that we have the numberof who are of these trusts that we have the number of who are seriously, i think the word is insulted, by having to fight for compensation for years, and for them then to be told how they have to spend the money, taking away from them the choice as to how they can improve the quality of life, so that is one issue, and the other thing that obviously you have highlighted and i would like to have seen as a highlighted and i would like to have seen as a recommendation picks up on the fact that the maximum award into the fact that the maximum award into the scheme has been £500,000, since 1996. a parliamentary question a couple of years ago was that even if you allow for inflation that would bea you allow for inflation that would be a £900,000, now. this case and similar cases, you have extremely severe life changing injuries with 24-7
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severe life changing injuries with 24—7 care needs, people with severe psychiatric injuries and maybe feeling suicidal, £500,000 really is not enough. i think it is scandalous that that's not been looked at for so that that's not been looked at for so long. we need a sea change. in terms of being able to help abily and her daughter courtney, what are you able to do to help them get access to that compensation —— to help beverly. there are legal mechanisms available through the courts, and an outbreak of common sense by the criminal injuries compensation authority, in terms of how the wording of the trusts are interpreted might be a starting point but what we need to do is could take a completely different approach. the imposition of these trusts in the first place is wrong, taking away the opportunity for people like beverley and courtney to spend the money the way they see fit
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is the real starting point. one e—mailfrom joe, is the real starting point. one e—mail from joe, who says the case of beverley and courtney makes me so mad. it is obviously cannot do without each other. surely the government can step in the supreme court, to sort this out, because peasin court, to sort this out, because peas in a pod should stay together. good luck to beverley. we will keep reporting back to our audience your case. baroness newlove has to recommendations, and we remain optimistic, thank you for coming back on the programme. thank you for having us. thank you both for your time, baroness newlove and neil sugarman. still to come. are universities doing enough to identify and support vulnerable students? we speak to the mum of one 22—year—old who took her own life while training to be a nurse. she's calling for universities to do much more.
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and 16 social media influencers have pledged to change how they post content, after the competition watchdog said they should make it clear when they are being paid to endorse products. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. former tesco finance director carl rogberg has been acquitted over a £250 million fraud and false accounting scandal. it's after the serious fraud office offered no evidence against him at southwark crown court. three appeal courtjudges three appeal court judges found three appeal courtjudges found no evidence of guilt on behalf of those named in it. it is a worthless and dishonest piece of paper with no credibility. and yet it is still
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vigorously defended by tesco and by the sfo who stand alone in refusing to a cce pt the sfo who stand alone in refusing to accept the truth, even to the extent that tesco threaten me with costs for daring to challenge what was proved to be false. as i have a lwa ys was proved to be false. as i have always said, i acted honestly at all times. iam relieved always said, i acted honestly at all times. i am relieved and always said, i acted honestly at all times. iam relieved and happy always said, i acted honestly at all times. i am relieved and happy to be standing here with my name cleared of all the false allegations that have been made against me. i would like to say a huge thank you to my family, to our many amazing friends for their phenomenal support and to my fantastically dedicated legal team, jonathan barnard, at norton rose, for what was tireless work to reveal the truth. thank you, and i will not be taking any questions at this moment. speaking on the steps of southwark
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crown court, just been acquitted over a massive fraud and false accounting scandal, carl rogberg, after the sfo offered no evidence against him at southwark crown court. that was making a statement on the court steps. obviously very relieved after two tesco directors, the case against them also collapsed. the me too movement against sexual harrassment and assault started in hollywood and spread to become on of the defining issues of 2017/18 — and its reach was felt across the globe. in india, hindi film star richa chadha was one of the first women to speak out about the me too campaign and the unspoken problems in bollywood and is one of its most vocal supporters there. but she says actresses there risk losing opportunities for roles and even threats to life for talking openly. richa is here to promote her new film love sonia,
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about sex trafficking of women. tell us about the film, love sonia, and your role in it. this is a film called love sonia and it deals with the issue of global sex trafficking, which is the biggest largest illegal business in the world, and leads to the business of drugs, illegal arms, and the global turnover for sex trafficking alone is $99 billion so, a lot of work needs to be done on this regard, and i was looking at statistics for even the uk. 30,000 children went missing from uk homes from a few years ago. and most of these end up in forced sexual exploitative relationships. this is a kind of modern—day slavery. exploitative relationships. this is a kind of modern-day slavery. the role that you play, what about that? iplayer girl who is abducted other
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young age from a railway station and forced into the trade, and cannot escape and contacts —— see contracts ade azeez. it follows the journey of a teenager called sonia who is out to save her sister from the clutches of some of the pimps, and the whole nexusis of some of the pimps, and the whole nexus is so well organised that there is no escaping it. we have got a clip. let's have a look. is it possible that the film could
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put this issue on the agenda for the indian government? the film opened in india in september and indian government? the film opened in india in septemberand i indian government? the film opened in india in september and i don't think we were ready for it as a country. we like escapist phones with songs and dances, and this is more of an indie film, we had really pure box office. i do think people we re pure box office. i do think people were ready to see reality hit them in the face like this. were you disappointed or are you still proud of what, the outcome? i'm happy. that is one of the reasons that we keep making an effort to challenge the world with this phone because this issue needs global attention, and we need support from the west, open it works with the post—colonial mindset, and the government notices back home if something is spoken about in the west, and actually that's why i'm here, i wouldn't say i was disappointed but i wouldn't say i was surprised. you have been a
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high—profile voice in the me too movement in india, one of the first high—profile cases to speak out. what are the issues with the way that women in film are treated in the industry in india? if anybody asked me if this movement will even start in bollywood couple of years ago, i would laugh, start in bollywood couple of years ago, iwould laugh, but start in bollywood couple of years ago, i would laugh, but now that a few big names have been outed and have been repercussions. for the first time they risk losing their livelihood under credit on a film and it puts them on the back foot a little bit, which is a good sign, but there is still a long way to go. actors in bollywood, we are trying to get it together, working on it, but as of now we don't have a strong union that can support us or say this is where you can get legal counsel pro bono, this is where you can go and see a shrink if you need to, this is how you can get financial support, so india has
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about 30 languages, and 15 flourishing film industries. there isa flourishing film industries. there is a film industry in the southern pa rt is a film industry in the southern part of india, the film industry in kerala, woman spoke out, and now those who have been ostracised. those who spoke up against being molested by someone is no longer getting work and she was not part of the union. so when other women see the union. so when other women see the consequences are so serious that their livelihood could —— their livelihood could be gone the next day they are wary of speaking out. would you sympathise with that would you say that you have to out?” think you have to speak out but i do sympathise. if you are dead what are you going to do with thejustice, do you going to do with thejustice, do you know what i mean? some women have got death threats and rape
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threats and had their livelihood smashed away from them. and at what cost? i feel like it smashed away from them. and at what cost? ifeel like it is smashed away from them. and at what cost? i feel like it is up to the survivor to choose if she was to remain anonymous or two component but i think that legal recourse is the best thing to do in this case. you have spoken about the casting couch and the issues with that. you will not work with anyone who has a pure reputation, who is said to be a predator. but there is some hypocrisy from individuals benefiting in a way. tell the audience what you mean. five years ago when you thought that the world would not be woke and if you feel that you will have an advantage over another actress and choose to sleep with the producer and then get cars, if you are the beneficiary of that ecosystem i don't know how you can get out of that cesspool and say thatis get out of that cesspool and say that is not fair. you are saying
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some women have done that? yes, absolutely. i am not here to judge but they should answer to their own conscience. there is an issue of will and consent. you can consent to be with somebody, sleeping with somebody, but you will may not be there, because they will have a position of authority over power over you which they can use. so this is tricky territory which we need to figure out how to make this work, and how to make clear there was a supportive environment for women who speak out. the little word for rape in the hindi means, to lose dignity. there is so much stigma attached to any kind of sex crime, it is almost impossible... the bravest women have a problem because it becomes the one thing that defines them. you say that some women may consent to sleep
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with a director or whatever, but are they really consenting because there isa they really consenting because there is a power play kind of relationship going on? is that not patronising to some women who do say yes, we do consent and what to do that?“ some women who do say yes, we do consent and what to do that? if you wa nt to consent and what to do that? if you want to go ahead and do that, that is your life and career choice and strategy. there is nojudgment. you can choose what to do. but don't come out of that and say me too. that doesn't work. you have spoken previously about experiencing the linear. and your feeling that it is somehow related to misogyny in society. —— experiencing bulimia. can you explain the link? and i did my first film i was pretty skinny and we made fun of that, you have to pat herup, and we made fun of that, you have to pat her up, she is not womanly enough. —— pad her. to have the
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kurds and whatnot, then it changes and everyone became really skinny, evenin and everyone became really skinny, even in bollywood and ifind it really puzzling because fashion doesn't like you to be like that but films in india demand it. it is so confusing as a young woman, what are you supposed to do with your body? i believe now you should be healthy and exercise, but i am not saying that obesity should be part of the body positive campaign, but everybody should be allowed to be happy in their own skin without being called lazy or unprofessional or anorexic or not womanly enough because ok, fat lips are untrained now, i can go and get that done and then what? it keeps changing and it is so harsh on women, they keep trying to adhere to this. if i'm on a magazine cover, they will give me some photo shop or filler,
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a magazine cover, they will give me some photo shop orfiller, but a magazine cover, they will give me some photo shop or filler, but if i'm ona some photo shop or filler, but if i'm on a magazine cover the person that has created it is not even me. it is so airbrushed and flawless. so somebody seeing that would ascribe toa somebody seeing that would ascribe to a fake idea. and the ideals, you can never match up. a villain can ta ke can never match up. a villain can take a selfie now at any point of time and there was a beauty photo, in india, we have something called a fairness filter. it never ends. thank you so much for coming on the programme. good luck with the film. we appreciate you giving us your time today. next this morning, are universities doing enough to identify and support vulnerable students? the parents of 20 year old natasha abrahart — who killed herself in her room at bristol university — said this week that they're crowdfunding to cover fees for a solicitor to ask questions at her inquest — to help them get to the bottom of why she died and whether more should have been done to help her. between 2016 and 2017
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there were 95 suicides reported by uk universities. at bristol alone, 12 students took their own lives in the space of 18 months. some of those universities affected have made changes to how they work, but is it enough? joining us from bangor this morning is liz de oliveira. her daughter lucy was a student nurse in 2017, during her second year of training — lucy, who was then 22, took her own life. it transpired tht lucy had long struggled with the pressure of her training, working twojobs and a difficult break—up with her boyfriend. lucy's mum liz wants universites to do more to identify and support vulnerable students so that others aren't left going through what her family has. thank you so much for giving us your
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time this morning. tell us a bit more about lucy and what happened. she was a paediatrics student studying atjohn moores liverpool university. she was affiliated to older hey hospital. she wanted to be a children's nurse for a long time. it was her dream. —— alder hey. at first i wasn't worried because she seemed to be coping. for university students, it is a brand—new situation. they are away from home for the first time. they are making new friends in a strange city. they have a degree course that is harder than anything they have done at school. they are having to do shopping, pay bills, do the laundry. lots of things that they are going through for the very first time. and
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i don't think she's alone. most stu d e nts i don't think she's alone. most students probably go through it to some degree. but lucy was very proud. she wouldn't talk about what was going on. like lots of students she had debt, i didn't realise the extent of it. when she had paid her accommodation she was left with £6 a month. so she was having to do two extra jobs on top of doing a full—time university course, and that course included going and doing work at alder hey as part of the studies, and that wasn't paid so she was doing 12 are unpaid shifts plus two other on paid jobs. the liverpooljohn moores two other on paid jobs. the liverpool john moores university says that to support students they have an extensive range of services
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in place within each specific programme like nursing these include personal tutors who provide dedicated one—to—one support for each student and they say they have explored the circumstances surrounding your daughter's death including the coroner's report and a welcome the work you have been doing to raise issues being faced within higher education. what else do you believe that universities could to spot vulnerable students? the trouble is, it is very piecemeal at the moment. there are warning signs when people are struggling. they might not attend lectures, they might not attend lectures, they mightfail exams, might not attend lectures, they might fail exams, they might not be turning up forjobs that they might fail exams, they might not be turning up for jobs that they were cat. they might isolate —— that they work at. they might isolate themselves from friends and flatmates and other things as well. the trouble is at the moment it is very piecemeal. one person has one piece of information, another has another piece. but they are not
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joined up. if there was some kind of system whereby these pieces of information that perhaps individually don't seem that much, but if they were actually linked together, joined up, and could act as an early warning kind of system, as an early warning kind of system, a flagged up system that shows that we're worried about this student, perhaps we should have a look at what is going on, we need to sit and talk to them, that kind of thing. and i also think, i didn't know lucy had made an attempt on her live six months earlier. and i think the thing is as well, i know that they are adults but they are only young adults. there is confidentiality, but at the end of the day, i am her parent, and i had no idea that she was struggling to that degree because, like most children, they don't want to worry their parents. and i needed to know, really. let me
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be some messages from viewers. agnes tweets this, are 20—year—old son deferred his studies because he couldn't cope. there was no help from the university. they need was struggling because he had a letter from ourgp, and struggling because he had a letter from our gp, and the university has months of waiting for therapy, the nhs offered only six sessions of cbp. another viewer says i volunteered through student mental health charity for one year in the final year of my undergraduate course, i found it final year of my undergraduate course, ifound it sad final year of my undergraduate course, i found it sad that people had such mixed experiences at knitting mental health difficulties the doctors, and the level of compassion they received in return. people like myself may have kept mental health secret for many years and it is such a huge step to admit you're struggling, and that doctors need more training on mental health and on compassionate listening. one more for now... from my experience
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asa more for now... from my experience as a medical student, medical schools do not go far enough. i had some difficulties last year and my medical school did not care. they we re medical school did not care. they were only interested in protecting themselves by following tick box protocols and i felt like they expected us to act like robots. thank you for talking to us. we appreciate your time. my pleasure. details of organisations which can offer?advice and support can be found on our website at bbc.co.uk/actionline. or you can call for free at any time to hear recorded information on 0800 066 066. financial expert martin lewis has dropped legal action against facebook over fake adverts featuring him. facebook has agreed to pay £3 million to citizens advice and launch a new scam ads reporting tool. martin lewis gave a news conference earlier and became emotional when speaking about the impact the ads have had on consumers. one story that ran
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on rip off britain about, you'll have to forgive me if it's not quite right, you can probably go and search the archives... about a woman whose children had died and she was looking after the grandchildren, and the money the parents had left she had put into one of these scams, to try and make it go... god forbid a million times. that's the life effect we are talking. that's why my eyes water up when i say it, i cried when i watched that film. i cried, because she did it. she said at the end, "i did it because i trusted martin lewis". that's what i've spent the last 15 years trying to protect people from. marvin lewis at a news conference where he announced he is drop in his legal action against facebook in return for them giving money to citizens advice. they are giving some money to citizens advice, 3 million, and will during this reporting tool that you can report
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fa ke reporting tool that you can report fake scam ads. celebrity influencers, famous vloggers and people with millions of instagram and twitter followers play a huge part in our lives because of the decisions they make about the products they use. martin lewis is an influencer, isn't he? from handbags, to clothes, watches to cars, electronic devices to makeup and airlines. now people like alexa chung and rita ora and vloggers jim chapman and zoella have agreed to be more transparent about when they're paid to post things on their social media. our technology reporter chris fox is here. why is this an issue? it's been going on a long time. the advertising standards authority has warned influencers to change the as. and the cma is getting involved, this is a step up in seriousness because the advertising standards authority can tell you to take down and change and add, the cma can get
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you find property in prison for breaching the law. what is the law? there lots of different laws involving advertising, advertising must be under law identifiable so if you're watching television the ad break is clearly an ad break, the lines are blurred on social media we re lines are blurred on social media were someone who lines are blurred on social media were someone who follow might be holding the product and is that paid for or are they genuinely recommending something? it is not as clear and social media. they are saying they will go after people consistently breaking the law. the 16 celebrities have been named, sounds very 16 celebrities have been named, sounds very generous, 16 celebrities have been named, sounds very generous, the 16 celebs have agreed kindly to follow the rules and be honest and upfront about their ads, but they have done that because they have been threatened with court action by the cma. if they break the rules again they will be taken to court. why are they will be taken to court. why are they being given the chance? they will be taken to court. why are they being given the chance7m they will be taken to court. why are they being given the chance? it is about getting the message out there.
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there have not been court cases on this scale before, they have managed to avoid court cases. we don't know for sure whether the 16 celebrities have broken the rules because it didn't go to court. how much could someone be paid who has got followers on instagram, takes a snap of themselves walking down the street holding an expensive handbag? you can make thousands even if you don't have millions of followers. you have your own target audience so you have a person who has their specific audience, you can target your handbag at the right people so your handbag at the right people so you can pay thousands even if the person doesn't have millions of followers. you saw that documentary about the fyre festival, and kendall genevois paid $250,000 for advertising that bestival. so what will we see on the instagram fees of
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these influences? there are lots of guidelines on the advertising standards authority website so if you're not sure, check out the guidelines. that's all for now, bbc newsroom live is next. goodbye. good morning. snow is still on the ground after the wintry showers of yesterday. this morning there has been lots of sunshine. this is near oban, you can see the hills with lots of snow and quite a bit of snow on the ground in the south—east. we have a quieter day weather—wise competitor yesterday. some wintry showers in the far south—east of england, some across wales and the west of scotland. for many it is
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dry. fog patches affecting north—west england, those will link into the afternoon. and temperatures between three and 6 degrees. overnight, further wintry showers moving into northern ireland, northern england, north wales and the midlands. temperatures getting down to —3, down to —6, a hard frost on thursday. watch out for the ice bursting. for many on thursday it will be dry but the cloud increasing in northern ireland. and less cold from the west. goodbye. you're watching bbc newsroom live, it's11am and these are the main stories this morning:
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tesco's former finance director is cleared over a £250 million fraud and false accounting scandal. the bank, santander, is to close 140 branches across the uk putting more than 1,200 jobs at risk. britain's most senior counter—terrorism officer warns that right—wing extremists could exploit what he describes as the "febrile" atmosphere around brexit. the search for the plane carrying footballer emiliano sala resumes in the channel. he reportedly sent a message to his family expressing concerns about the aircraft. and we meet the 15—year—old boy with a rare brain cancer, who will become one of the first patients to have proton beam therapy, at a new dedicated treatment centre in manchester.

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