tv Facebook Interview BBC News January 28, 2019 8:30pm-8:43pm GMT
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you are bbc i'm 27 here. some of britain'sbigggst with the british retail consortium, are warning that a no—deal brexit, will threaten the uk's food security. they say there could be higher prices and empty shelves. what we need is a proper deal with a proper transition period to allow companies to adapt. no—deal brexit would not be good news for british customers. mps urge theresa may to secure concessions from the eu on the northern irish backstop, ahead of tuesday's vote on a series of amendments to the prime minister's brexit deal. slit smeared slit - smeared blood. in teenage suicides.
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to control the spread of disinformation during , the 2016 eu referendum campaign, i giii filféi’f i i. 1. .% in elections or referendums. he also admitted that the way facebook pays tax on its profits was "unsustainable". first, though, sir nick was asked to explain why the bbc had been able to find thousands of images glorifying self—harm on the social media platform instagram, which is owned by facebook. well, there shouldn't be, and it's is distressing to me as anyone, really, to have heard about the awful, tragic cases of teenagers taking their lives in the way that
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taking their livesin'thewaythat come teking their livesin'the'wey‘thet come to light in recent days. new...” | new”... i am profound r .., pr ”7; facebook e.” i had instant q i ha you :ant answers, instant solutions. you won't i surprised to hear i m can you look at this ‘ instance blocked instance " , ,. blocked instance "heft-less if’iiii come to and come to - and thirdly continue. work, continue . work, as facebook have done for - years, instagram have done for many years, with the samaritans and other organisations who, i know this sounds counterintuitive, but they do say that in some instances it's better to keep some of the content, some of these distressing images up if that helps, how can i put it, if that helps people make a sort of cry for help and then get the support they need. but it's that line
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between allowing images, however distressing they are, to act as a way of getting support and help to teenagers, but at the same time excluding images, which clearly, by the sounds of it, have done something much worse, which is to glorify the taking of communicable people's own lives, which clearly is not acceptable to me as much as anyone else. i completely understand this is a complexes shoe. i conveyed to ian russell, molly russell's father, that i was meeting you, and he asked, as gamekeeper turned poacher, how does nick think online platforms can become safer places against vulnerable people, if nations can't protect themselves against the internet, what chance individuals? i think that is a very fair point. what's your answer? the platforms through duties imposed upon them by governments have two just make the protections online
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better. there are some areas where you have seen huge progress in recent yea rs, you have seen huge progress in recent years, for instant to three yea rs recent years, for instant to three years ago the constant debate was about terrorist related content on social media platforms. that's now been not completely solved but significantly addressed, and clearly this is something that now must happen and must happen urgently on social media platforms, as far as self harm and suicide is concerned, for our youngsters. industry, i has toi size no one also exploded to a size no one predicted. there are now 100 billion m essa 9 es predicted. there are now 100 billion messages being communicated a day on facebook‘s platforms, and i think the race is really on to make sure that molly's dad feels the responsibility, which is incumbent instagram and " " ' ' " ' responsibility, which is incumbent instagram and facebook, ,, ~ , responsibility, which is incumbent instagram and facebook, is " ' responsibility, which is incumbent instagram and facebook, is now ' ' 5:55 taken up. and , 5:55 taken up. and one fiiii taken up. and one of -_ rbeing—propefiwfiefi-eepfindfiefifief the things in this new role that it. to do. to the things in this new role that it. to do i to accelerate that hope to do is to accelerate that process , hope to do is to accelerate that process, because of course it is to some this content appears on the way
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‘ experts whose whole lives are other experts whose whole lives are devoted to helping young people who are liable to self harm, suicide, and at the moment they have said that even some of these distressing images are better to keep up if it helps young people then reach out for help. to a 13-year-old? let me give you an example, by the are he are allowed to see that 15—year~olcis ereellowed'to see that the 15—year~olcis areallowea'to see that the moment. all i'm simply saying at the moment. all i'm simply saying is where you draw the line between allowing stuff onto the platforms because it is a good way of identifying who needs help in getting it to them. 0ver identifying who needs help in getting it to them. over the last year, 3500 people who were seafiéfsfieé to the ‘ their own leading to the taking of their own lives, on facebook, were saved by early responders being pointed to those people and intervening at the right time, so when we get it right, this can actually be a force for good, because you can connect people on the social media platforms, that
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is in on the social media platforms, that isina on the social media platforms, that is in a sense hold fond of them, to friends who care for them at a time of great need. but what we have to do of course, as i say, is little this from top to bottom without any prejudice, we will do whatever it ta kes to prejudice, we will do whatever it takes to make this environment safe online, particularly the youngsters. —— that in a sense is the whole point of them. but talk to samaritans and other expert groups and if say samaritans and other expert groups and if. say some samaritans and other expert groups and if say some should and if they say some content should be allowed because it does allow , ~ , , , and if they say some content should be allowed because it does allow us ~ — , , , then i we to go that, to go - that, see if to go that, see if is .;:'fx;i r li-ll fist? iii! title; that this is sfifiéffilfig fiat? iii! fill? that this is afifiéffilfig as fiat? iii! fill? that this is afifiéffilfig age fiat? iii! fill? that this is afifiéffilfig as q a change the way in which the way haveiich media e— w, e the way have worked media e— w, e tcase ) have worked media e— w, e tcase ) have past. 5d media e— w, e tcase 3 have past. and % t case geese past. and 55; this i t case geese past. and 5 matt 2? hancock the health secretary said yesterday we may need new
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legislation to curb @ and yesterday we may need new leg contento curb on - and the content that is on. social-mesh} the content that is eh social-mesh} he, the content that is eh (mw if” he, that the content that is eh (mw 5 he, that you have been marking your homework for far too - think there is a case, too long. i think there is a case, as society accommodates itself to the great freedoms but with freedom comes risk, you know? there are 2.6 billion people every month on facebook platforms, that is a big chunk of the world's whole population. of course that means that it acts almost like a mirror to humanity, that is i t? if say life if or say is? ' "t "7 7" its} as or to say “a ' "r itgt rtr' and to set“2 ' "r itgt rtr and rules) set“2 ' "r itgt rte and rules ofeteeta ' "r itgt rte and rules of these ' "r that be that. be a new game, te—e£§jl§e;e% facebook to take, because they for facebook to take, because they have said for a very long time e for facebook to take, because they have said for a very long time 5 me have said for a very long time to me and i'm sure to you - you are in that way andnew .. r v v and new laws. r? 7 , and new laws. has 7 , new legislation and new laws. has facebook changed its views on that? that is my whole point, i wouldn't
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have joined facebook if i that is my whole point, i wouldn't havejoined facebook if i didn't believe it was a company that wanted to and change. believe it was a company that wanted to and - change. it is a young believe it was a company that wanted to and - change. ii old, young believe it was a company that wanted to and - change. ii old, itiung believe it was a company that wanted to and - change. ii old, it is |g it has enormous ilhaghggg one of the w don’t i to beget? — don’t think sustainabieeeeeea ,. —— — . ., don’t think sustainabieioree ,. —— — . ., i don't think it is sustainable for tech companies . say we - like ii‘r it is perfectly for on behalf of because of like use w esg'er and so their families and friends and so to ‘support their families and friends and so to - support for the causes their families and friends and so to i about, nort for the causes their families and friends and so to i about, nort they re causes their families and friends and so to i about, nort they re c also; ofias an ofaaisan m goes, but we wa nt we want an and where it is all too controlled and express freely. elected an
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just in favour of political parties and cards that is, but also on issues like immigration, —— and candidates, but also on issues like immigration which are used by foreign and malign forces trying to influence elections. so you are quite right that i think where facebook is now is quite different to where it was even just two years ago at the time of the brexit referendum and the election of trump. and the measures that were put in place that i am announcing today are now probably the most sophisticated and stringent controls on how people can participate through paid advertising in elections or referenda that anyone has ever seen. but the company itself still doesn't know definitively whether or not foreign powers used the platform to interfere with the brexit referendum. you can't know, because what i'm putting to you is for all of the openness of the web, the of have unleashed pioneers of facebook have unleashed something, i genie is out of the something,rthergenie is'out'ofrthe, . ,. you have bottle, you have unleashed something thatis bottle, you have unleashed something that is out of control. you don't know if russian bots are using the
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platform, you don't know who is paying for ads. you are quite right, it isa paying for ads. you are quite right, it is a very conflict cat and mouse game, if you like, much more serious than that, in which russian bots, russian troll farms as they are called, have tried to interfere in elections of the past. that was not only in 2016 something that facebook was not aware of, security service we re was not aware of, security service were not aware of, the government was not aware of, the press wasn't aware of, these were new threats. was not aware of, the press wasn't aware of, these were new threatsm is still your sponsor ability. of course it is, which is why facebook has invested billions. we now have 30,000 people exclusively working on the safety and security of the platform, something which is a com plete platform, something which is a complete transformation from even a year or two ago. but you are right, what facebook is doing, as a young company at the sort of arrowhead of this new technology, it is learning, and sometimes it is learning the ha rd and sometimes it is learning the hard way. but the only thing i can you of is that as it is assure you of is that as it is learning it is acting as fast as it possibly can to make the platform is
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three k,, f three working jrr three working days, jrr three working days, as jrr "s exes! push, new push, will mark zuckerberg beappearihg—in of the select committee, or is front of the select committee, or is he i chicken? of course he will es tee {ff-gsgéel iqe tee sfiisee’r-ei ‘ in front of parliaments in appear in front of parliaments in _—s. appear in front of parliaments in tehsfi what about - appear in front of parliaments in tog what about in | appear in front of parliaments in teasé what about in britain, he future. what about in britain, he has been invited cordelia, it should be good manners for him to turn up to david collins's select ee peels zeroes; ssteesesmmgesi you eases eseses . s ee peels zeroes; ssteesesmmgesi you e believe this but it is you wouldn't believe this but it is not myjob to advise mark zuckerberg on which runs to take. you could give him advice. what about a select committee hearing? i been to committee hearing? juhasz been to the congress in in european, in here, in the european parliament, in which there are british meps. 0f course he will sit before parliament again, ican't course he will sit before parliament again, i can't tell you exactly which committee in which parliament of the many parliaments around the
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world he will be sitting in. but he may be able to fairly soon? is it right that facebook pays so little tax in the uk? i think the tax arrangements for facebook and the global economy are unsustainable and i'll tell you why. .. global economy are unsustainable and i'll tell you why... so you say that they should be paying more tax in they should be paying more tax in the uk? here is the thing, sometimes people think that companies like facebook i 55 tax. people think that companies like facebook i 5? tax. i'm saying facebook don't pay tax. i'm saying should pay
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