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hello, it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the highest court in the land is expected to rule in the next few minutes on whether you shld have to declare certain criminal convictions to would—be employers. we'll bring you the ruling and talk to these three people with convictions for attempted armed robbery, battery and fraud who argue that they shouldn't have to declare old convictions and unsurpsisingly it's stopping them getting a job. it's colder in the american mid—west than in the antarctic. the people in the midwest are a hardy bunch. they are used to cold weather — but nothing like this. —45 celsius windchills here in chicago. we'll talk live to people living in chicago. after those votes in the commons last night — the prime minister will now head back to brussels to try and renegotiate a key part of her brexit agreement — even though brussels have already poured cold water on any chance of changing the deal they spent two years working on.
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the position of the european union is very clear for it had been expressed by donald tusk, and he will make a statement tomorrow afternoon. and after the case of the saudi teenager fleeing her family made headlines around the world, we hear exclusively from more saudi women right here in the uk, in hiding and living in fear. ijust ran for my life. i was planning my escape for years, so i had that perfect plan, because i couldn't live like that anymore. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. the independent mp for peterborough fiona onasanya has
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woken up in a prison cell this morning — after being given a three month jail sentence for lying to police about being at the wheel when her car was clocked speeding. she was a labour mp — they expelled her from the party the moment she was convicted but she has continued to sit as an independent, and is continuing to receive an mp‘s salary — her barrister said in court yesterday the reason she hasn't resigned as an mp is because it's her only source of income. as you can imagine the calls for her to resign are growing louder. if you are a constituent of hers, let us know your view this morning. use the hashtag #victorialive. email victoria@bbc.co.uk. here'sjoanna with a summary of the days news. theresa may is preparing to resume talks with brussels in an effort to renegotiate the eu withdrawal agreement. she will propose alternatives to the so—called irish backstop, which is designed to avert a hard border in ireland, following last night's vote by mps. the european parliament is due to debate brexit later today but eu leaders have already ruled out
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any new negotiations. i don't think there is room to do that, for the simple reason that the backstop is absolutely needed, and the backstop is in the withdrawal agreement. but there is a possibility to discuss the future relationship, so that is what the european parliament and the european union has always said. the head of the cbi says uk companies are now likely to speed up their no—deal brexit plans and further renegotiations with the eu "feels like a real throw of the dice". carolyn fairbairn said moves by mps to reject no deal did not go far enough and the amendment calling for negotiations to be reopened left businesses feeling frustrated. three men are due to appear before magistrates today, charged with murdering a doorman at a party in london's west end. 33—year—old tudor simionov was working at the private event in park lane when he was attacked and killed in the early hours of new year's
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day. ajudge in georgia has ruled that the extradition ofjack shepherd — convicted of killing a woman in a speedboat crash on the river thames — will not be fast tracked. 24—year—old charlotte brown was killed when the boat crashed in december 2015. shepherd handed himself in to police in tbilisi last week after months on the run. overnight snowfall and ice have caused some disruption to travel this morning, but the weather situation in parts of the united states seems a lot worse. a spinning pocket of very cold air, known as a polar vortex, is expected to bring dangerously low temperatures in the us this week. experts say it could be as cold as minus 30 degrees celsius — colder than south pole — and are warning people to stay indoors. apple boss tim cook has hinted it could lower iphone prices in some places in an attempt to boost falling sales. revenue from the iphone, responsible for most of the firm's profits, fell 15% in its latest financial quarter. the us
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sitcom friends is still the favourite tv programme for young people in the uk, even though it's 15 years after the last episode was broadcast. that's according to an annual survey of media consumed by five to 16—year—olds. however they're likely to stream the episodes and many will watch it on their mobile phones rather than a tv screen. certainly true in my house. this just in from the supreme court, they have just ruled in the last few seconds that disclosing multiple minor criminal convictions when it comes to criminal records checks when you want to get a job approaches your human rights. that is illegal according to the supreme court. it changes the rules, potentially. it was the government that was appealing against it. they say having to disclose
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minor criminal convictions to would—be employers does breach your human rights. we will bring you more reaction in a moment. later on the programme we will talk about the extreme weather in the united states and chicago. currently colder than antarctica. experts are warning that frostbite and strike in a matter of minutes. snow and ice affecting large parts of the uk with weather warnings in place across the entry. the mp for peterborough, who has woken up injail the mp for peterborough, who has woken up in jail this the mp for peterborough, who has woken up injail this morning. we are asking constituents what you think, because she is refusing to tweet. carl says she must resign, how can anybody think otherwise? are salary should stop while she is incarcerated. stephen says there is no reason why she can't represent
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her constituents from a prison cell. a lot of fuss about nothing. if all 650 mp5 a lot of fuss about nothing. if all 650 mps were behind bars, which many rational people would like to see, we would still have a parliament that functions as well as the present one. keep those coming in. you consent me a message on twitter. the highest court in the land has said that having to disclose minor convictions to your employer violates human rights. let's get reaction from steve hodges. he was recruited for temporary work by the royal mail. he had the offer withdrawn due to an offence showing up withdrawn due to an offence showing up on his criminal record check, a conviction for battery in 2013 that resulted in him having to do community service. raymond lunn served three and a half years for attempted armed robbery when he was 18. he's now 46 and says he's had to lie to find work. shafak mohammed has a
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conviction for fraud which unsuprisingly as hindered his effort to find work. first of all com your reaction to the fact that the supreme court has ruled that exposing minor convictions violates your human rights? think that is fantastic news. but there is already legislation in place to help people like me. what do you mean question of the rehabilitation of offenders act gives you rights to expect to have a clean slate after your rehabilitation period anyway. what do you think of the ruling, raymond? it is an interesting one. many countries in europe abide by that sort of decision. human rights, in terms of stopping
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you gaining meaningful employment, in terms of being rehabilitated. in terms of the rehabilitation of offenders act, it does give you some rights in terms of that your conviction will be spent at some point. however, if your sentence, because there was a change in the rules in 2012 that amended the act, if your conviction is for four years and above, your conviction will never become spent. like my conviction for attempted armed robbery, which i got three and armed robbery, which i got three and a half years for, it used to be the case that if you got anything above to wander half years, your conviction was never spent. i spent much of my adult life so far having a conviction that was not spent, meaning it was very difficult to get work. i want to get your reaction, shefak, minor convictions breach your human rights. a case brought by
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three individuals who said that their lives had been blighted by having to disclose minor convictions? i found it interesting. my understanding was that they were expanding filtering the rules for minor convictions. i would expanding filtering the rules for minor convictions. iwould be interested to find out if this does include prison sentences as well. if it does, it could be different, and also, is there going to be a cost attached? let's talk to clive, our legal eagle, at the supreme court. who brought this case, and what is the significance of the outcome?‘ number of people brought it, saying that their lives had been blighted by the fact they have minor convictions, or reprimands and warnings, which fall short of a conviction, and on criminal record checks now, conducted through what is known as
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the disclosure and barring service, they were forced to disclose these matters. as a result of disclosing them, they had lost employment opportunities. in the case of... this was somebody who was convicted of stealing a book many yea rs convicted of stealing a book many years ago, worth 99p. at that time, she was suffering from a mental health condition. she therefore failed to turn up for a court hearing. so that was another offence under the bail act. she wanted to become a teaching assistant. she qualified, but when it came to disclosing the convictions, she said that prevented her from disclosing the convictions, she said that prevented herfrom getting full—time employment as a teaching assistant. that gives you a flavour of the kind of way in which this system operates. in relation to another case, this was a boy referred to only ask g, aged 11 he was arrested for
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sexually assaulting two matter younger boys. this sounds very serious, but there was very powerful mitigation, it involved sexual touching and attempted intercourse, however, it was deemed at the time that this was all in the form... it was consensual, in the form... it was consensual, in the form of dares, so it was not in the public interest to prosecute, so a reprimand was given to this young man. so is later, he was working as an assistant in a library, he had to getan an assistant in a library, he had to get an enhanced criminal records check because his work involves contact with children. as a result of the disclosure, he did not obtain thatjob or that promotion. that gives you a sense of how this worked. the supreme court have looked at the entire system. this system which is designed both to rehabilitate offenders, but also to safeguard vulnerable groups and give employers safeguard vulnerable groups and give em ployers releva nt safeguard vulnerable groups and give employers relevant information about
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individuals. they have effectively stress tested the system. they found the system to be compliant with human rights, save in two respects, the disclosure of multiple minor convictions. for people watching this programme that have multiple minor convictions from the past, who are concerned they will have to disclose those, that it will come up on criminal records checks, there is hope and light there. the government will have to look at this system and reform it so it is compliant with thejudgment. for those reform it so it is compliant with the judgment. for those that receive reprimands, warnings, something falling short of a conviction, those people, also there is hope for them if they are concerned they would have to disclose those things, and that would jeopardise their chances of getting employment. it is a really significant ruling. quite a lot of people will be in this position. when you are a young person, often you commit more than one offence. many years later down the line when you are applying for a
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job, what the supreme court have effectively said is that this is too harsh, too blunt an instrument. these offences may be utterly irreleva nt to these offences may be utterly irrelevant to the risk involved, and therefore the system has to be reformed. this has no impact on serious convictions, they will still have to be disclosed in basic, standard and enhanced criminal records checks? yes. depending on your definition of a serious conviction. but if there are two convictions from many years ago, and they are deemed not to be relevant to the risk, it is going to be up to the government now to redefine. it certainly serious offences are a lwa ys certainly serious offences are always likely to be disclosed on these tracks, and that is what they are therefore. thank you very much. raymond, your conviction was for attempted armed robbery, not a minor offence, but it was almost 30 years ago. are you arguing you should
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not have to disclose that serious conviction? what i was complaining against, from 2010—2012, that at some point your conviction should become spent. that means it is still available in terms of enhanced disclosure and standard disclosure, but in terms of your rehabilitation, and how long you have been rehabilitated, at some point you should be allowed to consider yourself, as i have just said, rehabilitated in the eyes of the law and society. steve, your conviction was from 2013. it was for battery. why do you think you should not have to expose that to a potential employer? basically, because my... i have paid my dues to society, my slate is clean. why should i have my rights interfered with by the disclosure and barring service norma? what gives them the
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right to declare a spent conviction? shouldn't and employer have the right to know that before offering you a job? right to know that before offering you ajob? dolores kelly that in my situation thejob you ajob? dolores kelly that in my situation the job that was on offer was not exempted under the rehabilitation of offenders act or whatever the legislation is. i was not required to declare that conviction for the purposes of a basic check. mohammed, you spent six months in prison on a fraud charge. since then, you have found bits of work, but you have struggled because it had an impact on your attempt to get a job? but you also feel you should be able to move on with your life? absolutely. the reason i was sent to prison was the punishment. now that i have completed that punishment, why should i be punished further? it is about
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my skills and abilities, not what i did in the past, it is what i can do moving forward , past, it is what i can do moving forward, moving ahead. at the moment you have three civil service job offers outstanding, all subject to checks, and you think non—will convert because once they do the check, they will say, thanks, but no thanks? not exactly. i have completed the application form, i've completed the application form, i've completed the application form, i've completed the interviews, they were successful. it does depend on the dbs to a degree. but my understanding is that the civil service will look at cases individually and it is how i come across as a person. i've already come across well for me to have gotten this far. it is for them to speak to me about my dbs, what it says, and my explanation, what the circumstances were at the time. thank you, all of you. thanks
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for your time thank you, all of you. thanks for yourtime and thank you, all of you. thanks for your time and thanks for reacting to that ruling from the supreme court. obviously your views are very welcome. in the cases of the particular guests we were talking to, should they be allowed to move on and not have to declare what happened? in some cases it was almost 30 years ago. or because of the serious nature of some of those convictions, should they always have to do that. if you are a boss, would you want to know? still to come... after the case of the saudi teenager fleeing her family made headlines around the world, we hear exclusively from saudi women in the uk who are in hiding and living in fear. and as an mp is jailed for lying to try and avoid a speeding conviction, we'll ask what happens next and how her constituents could be the ones to decide whether she is still able to sit in the house of parliament when she's released. if she is your mp, let me know your views. theresa may is heading for confrontation with the european union after mps last night backed her to renegotiate part of the brexit deal. at the heart of the dispute
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is the future of the irish border. the eu has once again insisted that changing the deal is not an option, but the prime minister says she has a mandate to return to brussels and re—open negotiations. here's the moment it became clear enough mps were supporting the move to ditch or change the controversial backstop. the ayes to the right, 317. the noes to the left, 301. theresa may insisted last night the essence of her plan lives on, even though it was rejected big time in the commons a fortnight ago by a majority of 230. it is now clear that there is a route to secure a substantial and sustainable... jeering ..substa ntial and sustainable majority in this house for leaving the eu with a deal. we will now take this mandate
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forward and seek to obtain legally binding changes to the withdrawal agreement that deals with concerns on the backstop, while guaranteeing no return to a hard border between northern ireland and ireland. the labour leaderjeremy corbyn says he will now meet with the prime minister, to discuss the way forward. we are prepared to meet her to put forward... ..to put forward the points of view from the labour party of the kind of agreement we want for the european union to protect jobs, to protect living standards, and to protect the rights and conditions in this country. it is exactly the offer that was made last september, exactly the offer that was made two weeks ago, and i look forward to meeting the prime minister to set out those views to her on behalf of my party. this morning, the brexit secretary stephen barclay said the vote in parliament gave theresa may a mandate to return to the eu and speak to european leaders about a way forward. the vote was last
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night, the prime minister will be meeting with the leader of the opposition later today. there is an ongoing process, i referenced the fact that the business secretary is meeting with trade unions, i will be engaging with members of parliament across the house. so, will she have a deal within a fortnight? we are working hard in the national interest. the prime minister is going there to secure a deal. she got a clear mandate from parliament to tell them what the will of the house is and to address the central question from the european union. there are reports that the prime minister will speak with donald tusk on the phone later today. meanwhile, this morning, the eu's chief negotiatior, michel barnier, has repeated again there will be no reopening of the negotations. we stand by the agreement we have
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negotiated with the uk. let's speak to our correspondent gavin lee in brussels and our political guru norman smith in westminster. the prime minister is raising people's expectations that she can change this backstop somehow in this deal. the eu says at the moment that is not possible. no commanded probably isn't. is —— no it is not possible. the eu have said they are not reopening the withdrawal treaty, we are not interested in a time limit on the backstop or a unilateral exit route for the uk, and all of these wacky ideas you have about super technology to get around the idea of a heart border in northern ireland, that is nonsense and doesn't exist. she has been told that over and over again. i am sure she understands that absolutely. i wouldn't therefore assume that it is game over, and she is
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walking straight into the brick wall. i would rather suspect theresa may will go to brussels, have an almighty row, and many in the tory party will say good on you, she is standing up to the beastly bureaucrats in brussels and she might even emerge with some sort of concession. it will not be the reopening of the withdrawal treaty, but it will be something. she will have something to bring back to westminster. and then she will say to mp5, ok, i have fought the good fight, and i have got this, i have got more movement on the backstop. the question is, do mps say, yes, 0k, the question is, do mps say, yes, ok, that's enough, we will come on board. what i found really interesting is listening to tory mp oliver letwin. he is an operator. former cabinet minister. he is a shrewd figure. he said last night, you know what, ijust want shrewd figure. he said last night, you know what, i just want a deal. shrewd figure. he said last night, you know what, ijust want a deal. i don't care what the deal is, i want a deal. i wouldn't underestimate the sheer level of fatigue and
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weariness amongst mps, and an absolute desire to avoid no—deal. and when you put that together with the possibility that together with the possibility that mrs may might come back with a nip and tuck, i think it is still possible she can grind down the numbers as the clock ticks down and get people on board to back some sort of reworked deal. we will see, but it is possible. thank you very much. gavin, good morning, it looks very cold there. thank you for talking to us. what kind of tweak might the eu be able to offer her, what kind of concession? what donald tusk has said, and he is important, he isa tusk has said, and he is important, he is a conduit for all of these leaders. until now, the president of the european council, along with jean—claude juncker, all of the leaders have been happy to put their voice to them, and the responses have been largely coordinated. within minutes, some of them were tweeting, they are pretty
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uniform. the only alternative is the language, whether it is no, non, or nien. what they will look at is the political declaration, what it could look like. or the point that donald tusk was trying to make is that they would look to consider an extension to the article 50 period, there has to the article 50 period, there has to be agreed by the leaders. so, something really key, the conservatives rallying around, stiffening sinews, they don't want to come across as those that are the enemy, a figure that we don't often hear about, the deputy chief spokesperson and negotiator on brexit, she said
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they are coming across like they are the punisher is. they have given foresight that any alternative has been looked at over 18 months. how do you come up with technology to stop there being a border crossing? they have not come up with it, that is why the has to bea come up with it, that is why the has to be a backstop. i am sure we will have the same conversation again next week, the week after, who knows. thanks for your messages about past convictions and if you have to declare them to employers. a ruling from the supreme court, that multiple minor convictions from your past do not have to be declared when you are going for a job. they say it breaches your human rights. dave has e—mailed, iam breaches your human rights. dave has e—mailed, i am 67, breaches your human rights. dave has e—mailed, iam 67, when breaches your human rights. dave has e—mailed, i am 67, when i was 15, i spent time in an approved school of one offence of stealing from parked ca rs. one offence of stealing from parked cars. my life has been ruined because of this, which happened over 50 yea rs because of this, which happened over 50 years ago. bill said would the
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bbc want to employ some body guilty of battering or defrauding somebody? do we stop women learning about the violent past of men with a history of domestic violence because it would interfere with the criminal‘s human rights? i don't think so. louisa says my children were placed on child protection because of my mental health. they were never harmed and the case was closed because they were happy. i was safe. i now can't get work. there needs to bea i now can't get work. there needs to be a dbs check and it comes up on it. i need to do a dbs to work in care, and it is difficult because of that. i have never had a criminal past, but i feel that i am treated like a criminal. keep those coming as an mp is jailed for lying to try and avoid a speeding conviction, we'll ask what happens next. we will talk to some of her constituents. do get in touch if you are one of her constituents. can she represent you from inside prison?
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and it's colder in the american midwest than in the antarctic. with record—breaking low temperatures expected, we'll speak to two people in chicago coping with the freeze. the recent case of rahaf mohammed made a woman fleeing saudi arabia famous the world over. she did it very publicly — but dotted across the uk there are other saudis who have also fled and are in hiding. living with more freedom, but also often in constant fear. our reporter catrin nye has this: ? i left saudi to be free because over there we have male guardianship laws. your life is owned by a male relative so you can't have a job unless you have his permission. you can't study, you can't even go outside without his permission. you can't even have surgery without it. it's basically, they owned us. this is nayla.
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she's in her late 20s and now lives in the uk. we've changed her name and her voice because she's constantly in fear of being found. she's an atheist and kept it hidden in saudi arabia. especially if you're an atheist, you have to pray, you have to fast. even if you don't believe in that stuff, you have to be really, really careful. the laws there, they treat atheists as terrorists. you'll be beheaded or killed if they know. your brother or sister even can't know because you never know. it was so hard to live a double life. you feel like you're acting all the time. i think people feel like they're kind of like the walking dead. they have no liberty. often, if they're women, they're are put into forced marriages. imtiaz shams is a british ex—muslim. he grew up in saudi arabia and has helped and advised people who fled from there. you can have a job, you can be very successful, you can earn lots of money but it doesn't mean that you're going
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to run away from forced marriages. so, for a lot of people, they are running from that. imagine if you're an atheist living in saudi arabia where the laws mean you should be killed, you're running away from real fear of death. ijust ran for my life. i was planning my escape for years so i had that perfect plan because i couldn't live like that any more. it was the first marriage that was the last straw. i said i would end my life or get out of here. i would die before getting married to that person. i can't even say it was like living in hell because i'm used to that in my life. it was worse. i hit the bottom. i was planning to end my life. i know you don't want to talk about how you escaped, but can you talk about once you were in the uk? what did you do? i didn't think to pack my bag or anything. ijust ran. i was in my pjs. i didn't even wear outside clothes, i just ran. it was dark and i was really scared
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so you just run for your life and that's what i did. i ran for my life. how many people try and how many people does it actually work for? most people don't make it. most people get sent back. most people kill themselves or their families kill them. one of the worst things that can happen actually is that you get put into the social care system where, imagine victorian england, you know they had the mental asylums for women? it's exactly like that but in 2019, so i know if you talk to ex—muslims, saudi men and woman about this, especially the women, they will say they would rather die than go there. imtiaz has met people who fled to countries other than the uk and had corrupt local police hired to find them. he says rich families particularly will spend a lot of money trying to track someone down. what have your family and the saudi government done
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about you being missing? they were determined to find me even though the british police said they wouldn't give out any information about me, and said that i'm safe. they were a bit manipulative, saying things about me. so they know you're in the uk? yes, they know. how do they know that? i don't know. that's because the saudi government look for us and call us runaways and call us criminals. even they will forge records and say you've committed a crime, which is really scary, and i remember i told the police that. i said they will call me a criminal, they will say anything to get me back. so i will always be hiding and just be really careful. so you are hiding forever? yes. are there precautions you take in the uk? what do you do? it's really hard to trust anyone, to be honest. i don't have any arab friends because what if my views of religion hurt or offend them?
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what if they know someone who knows someone? do lots of people have to give up a lot of wealth when they leave? if they are saudi nationals, some of them will be wealthy. not always the case though, of course. but what's the point in wealth if you are restricted? so, you might have your own driver but you can only drive to places where your family would know where you are. you might be super wealthy but you have to get into a forced marriage. all these kinds of things. i remember this one girl, she came from one of the wealthiest families in saudi arabia and she ran away and she is now living in a very bad uk city, doesn't have a lot of money but she was telling me she is very happy. she's dating someone here, she is enjoying her life and she's just happy to have freedom. you know, things that we take for granted, like going to kfc at 8pm, that they can now do in the uk, they could not do that in saudi arabia. so it's those little things that make the difference, i think. i decided to be silent because i wanted to enjoy
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my life, to be honest. if you're in the public, the risk of being killed or caught is higher. so i decided to vanish basically. do you ever miss your family? no, i don't. you don't do this to your kid if you really care. you don't just sell your daughter to someone to get married, so for me i really hated them. so, after that, i just made peace with myself that they are mothers and fathers that are not really parents. they are just biological. are there things you have done in the uk that you couldn't do back home that you've been able to do? all things. all sorts. i know i'll always tell my friends to be grateful. always count your blessings. opening the door without taking permission is a blessing. the freedom of choice, this is what i was
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dreaming of for years and years. just to be able to wear what i want, to do my hair the way i want, to put on make—up if i want to. i want people to know these simple things they take for granted, other women in saudi dream of. the mp for peterborough fiona onasanya has woken up in prison today — after being given a three—month jail sentence for lying to police about being at the wheel when her car was clocked speeding. she is a solicitor — for now — and she was a labour mp. they expelled her from the party when she was convicted of perverting the course of justice at the end of last year. she has continued to sit as an independent mp — and refuses to quit — but the calls for her to resign are growing louder.
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with me now is the political commentator daisy mcandrew. and on the phone is lisa jones, a constituent of fiona onasa nya in peterborough. leeza, good morning to you, thank you so much for talking to us. good morning. can fiona onasanya represent you as one of her constituents from her prison cell? of course she can't. it is ridiculous. why do you think she hasn't resigned ? ridiculous. why do you think she hasn't resigned? i don't know. just stubbornness, i suppose. you think she should have done that already? she should have done it from the beginning but now she has been sentenced, she cannot vote very thing and it is a really important time with brexit and she can't do
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anything. we got a hint as to perhaps why she hasn't resigned from her barrister in court yesterday, who said she is staying as an mp because she has no other source of income. what you think of that? that isa income. what you think of that? that is a joke, it is not fair. for there'd be bringing daisy mcandrew. if she doesn't resign, her constituents can force a by—election. constituents can force a by-election. how do they do that? it was a new piece of legislation only brought in a couple of years ago. if her sentence and been more than a year, she would have been stripped of her role automatically but because her sentence was significantly less than that, she hasn't been stripped automatically but this new petition can be put into place and you have to have, in peterborough's case, it would be 7,000 signatories to the petition and thena
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7,000 signatories to the petition and then a by—election can be called, but it is even more complicated than that, because that process can only start once her appeal has finished and she said yesterday she was minded to appeal. she has got 28 days to appeal after that, so the petition can only start after that 28 days has happened and the petition has to have six weeks in order for those constituents to have the chance to sign the petition. so we are already looking into the end of february before it could start and then april before the petition could finish and that by—election could be called. the petition could finish and that by-election could be called. lisa, thejudge did say by-election could be called. lisa, the judge did say yesterday it was totally out of character for her and that she was a role model. do you have any sympathy at all for her? not really, because as an mp, she should know better, and a solicitor as well, she should have known better and she hasn't shown this,
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at the very least. i then see that as being a role model. a lack of judgment. daisy mcandrew, why do you think fiona onasanya continued to live? well, i suspect that lack of experience was part of it, that she thought she was going to get away with it. you mentioned that she is a solicitor has help and although you would think that would mean she would think that would mean she would take abiding by the law even more seriously, in my experience, people who know the rules very well very often think they can bend the rules. we have seen it with other parliamentarians doing this before but, of course, she has now ended up being the first—ever female mp to be incarcerated in prison. and all parties, including her own, are calling for her to do the decent thing because it she just admitted she is not continuing to be the mp, one way or another foul on her sword, the by—election process could be gotten under way and
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it is an interesting constituency, she only won it by a few hundred seats in the la st won it by a few hundred seats in the last general election. the chances are the tories, who did hold the seat for 12 years before that, would win it back or even ukip or the new sdp that is being formed, because peterborough did vote leave, so brexit would be a big issue in that constituency. lisa, finally, what would be your message to fiona o nasa nya if would be your message to fiona onasa nya if she would be your message to fiona onasanya if she could hear you as one of your constituents to date? please do the decent thing and resign. simple as that. have a little bit of dignity, save that dignity she has by resigning. she must know she is on borrowed time. thank you, lisa was some thank you daisy mcandrew. david tweeds this... —— tweets. she should be sacked.
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how lied to police and still be an mp? and sarah says... and it wasn't just the speeding, and it wasn'tjust the speeding, it was perverting the course ofjustice that she was convicted of. margo says... chris says... "she should be dismissed immediately, not given the option to resign, it is an outrageous situation." and on twitter...
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had daisy pointed out, had the jail sentence been 12 months are over, she would have immediately lost her job, but because it was shorter than that, it is up to her to resign or not. so far, she isn't. let's talk about the weather, not here, but in the american midwest. it is being battered by arctic conditons this morning — with temperatures set to be lower than antartica in chicago today. they are gonna reach lows of —33c with freezing winds making that feel closer to “116c . look at that frozen river. weather experts are warning of life—threatening conditions — saying frostbite could strike if skin is exposed for even a few minutes. the weather system, known as a polar vortex, is causing the freezing temperatues — it's meant thousands of flights
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have been cancelled and schools have been forced to close. let's go live to chicago, and talk to residents emma sarran webster and dylan doppelt. both are preparing for one of the coldest days they can remember. thank you so much for talking to our british audience. just say, emma, here in the uk, there has been a little bit of snow overnight and it is quite a big deal but i want you to tell our audience how bad it is there. well, victoria, it is freezing. i have lived in chicago most of my life and i've never experienced temperatures like this. if you go outside even for a few minutes, the wind is blowing really ha rd minutes, the wind is blowing really hard and it just minutes, the wind is blowing really hard and itjust feels cold down to your bones. how many layers of clothing are you wearing and what is your central heating set at? my heating is set at about 7k fahrenheit, i am heating is set at about 7k fahrenheit, iam not heating is set at about 7k fahrenheit, i am not sure what that is celsius, maybe in the
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30s. when i go outside, actually even inside during the days, i have been wearing 3-4 during the days, i have been wearing 3—4 layers on top, definitely slippers and fuzzy socks and when i go outside, i have my warmest down coat, really big scarf, hat, mittens, heavy duty snow boots with toe warmers that you usually wear for skiing. so it is pulling out all the stops that are necessary. dillon, i know your classes at couege dillon, i know your classes at college have been cancelled, you are off work like many others, but has the whole city actually shut down? essentially, yes, we are told there are lots of issues with transportation, the metro has been essentially shut down, and i know the courts have been shut down, the governor of illinois has declared a state of emergency so there have beena state of emergency so there have been a lot of issues and i don't think anybody will be going outside tomorrow. and the advice from the emergency services is what?
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essentiallyjust to stay indoors until thursday afternoon. the wind chills are going to be so dangerous and, as you said, you can get frostbite in five minutes on any exposed skin so they are saying hunker down, stay warm and try not to leave where you are until thursday. emma, deduced cub on food earlier in the week? -- deed you stock up on food. i did, i went to the store on sunday and it is usually a busy day, but it was far busier than i have ever seen on sunday. the store was packed, the parking lot a steady stream of cars, people parking in spots that weren't actually spots, i definitely wasn't the only one stocking up. thank you so much, both of you, look at yourselves. take care. let's talk to tomasz schafernaker, who is here. just explain a polar vortex. i will be quite pedantic, the polar vortex is actually always
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there, it is there in the summer and it is there in the winter and i'm just looking at your mouse mat here, i wish we could bring your logo up for the victoria derbyshire, because thatis for the victoria derbyshire, because that is exactly what a polar vortex looks like. can we show that? that is what the polar vortex looks like, it is across the northern pole. we knew obviously when we decided. i am going to use an analogy. let's take a cup of and some cream. we will put the cream in the coffee and we get that swell of cream, that is the polar vortex but what sometimes happens is the polar vortex can slow down and imagine the coffee... the cream in the coffee is slowing down, we its swells and patterns and sometimes we look at it and we get these little whirlpools moving around. and, essentially, that, high
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up around. and, essentially, that, high up in the atmosphere, can influence cold air which is across arctic canada in place already and all of this swirling around can move some of the cold arctic air across canada and shunted south towards the midwest. and that bit is what we have been referring to as the polar vortex. the actual thing is way up in the atmosphere. so it is not the polar vortex coming, it has displaced cold air out of the arctic. so i understand the polar vortex is always there, but is the fa ct vortex is always there, but is the fact that it is being pushed around to places like the midwest going to become more common? that is a very important point you are making there. thank you. the point about climate change and, say, global warming, is that it can disrupt the polar vortex more frequently. when the polar vortex is nice and circular and stable, it tends to keep the cold air contracted to the northern polls, sort of isolated there, but when it
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starts meandering, during climate change for example, these areas of cold air can leak out of the arctic and we do get cold snaps, so these patterns can be linked to climate change and global warming. oked. so can be linked to climate change and globalwarming. oked. sojust how cold is it going to get in chicago? incredible. i looked at the weather observations in the last hour, —27 celsius. i believe this night is going to be colder but of course it is the wind chill that is the real factor here, because how we feel hot or cold is not just factor here, because how we feel hot or cold is notjust determined by what the thermometer is saying, it is to do with the humidity of the airand how is to do with the humidity of the air and how fast the wind is blowing. so when the wind blows, it strips away heat from bearskin and what can happen in a few minutes from you mention that we could get frostbite in a few minutes, ice c rysta ls frostbite in a few minutes, ice crystals can even start forming in the skin, we get blood vessels which basically contract and you get less blood flowing, nerve endings can be
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damaged and that sort of thing can happen ina damaged and that sort of thing can happen in a matter of minutes. but you can also get frostbite without even the skin freezing. so it is more than enough to cause some serious issues if nobody is prepared. obviously puts everything here in perspective. how is it looking here? we are obviously in the middle of our cold snap, which is not necessarily related to what is not necessarily related to what is happening in the united states. we are due for some snow but that is not coming until tomorrow. we have had a bit but it is tropical compared to what they are getting in the midwest. thank you for coming on. thanks to your messages on fiona onasanya, on. thanks to your messages on fiona onasa nya, the on. thanks to your messages on fiona onasanya, the independent mpjailed, a three—month jail sentence given to her yesterday. margaret sent a text saying the mp should be ejected from parliament and not allowed back. this was not a lack ofjudgment, it was a deliberate lie. peter e—mails to say part of her defence was that she was completely overwhelmed when appointed as an mp,
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with neither a peterborough or a westminster office base. is this a reality for newly appointed rookie mps and if so, why? where is the post—appointment initial support from the local party or the induction arrangements and office support and westminster? no excuse for what she did once the reality of the situation was made clear but it seems like a clear failure to support the new mp. this e—mailfrom somebody failure to support the new mp. this e—mail from somebody who says their name is lord kenneth montgomery more, as a community representative and having met our mp fiona onasanya after her election last year, i have since lost respect and faith in what she stands for. having been found guilty on perverting the course of justice, she is no longer respected in peterborough as our representative. lions are dying at an alarming rate — that's the warning from one of the country's most experienced big cat experts. latest research shows that lions have now disappeared from 90% of their historical range of habitat. as far as researchers can tell,
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populations have declined from somewhere in the region of 200,000 lions in the ‘50s and ‘60s, to around 211,000 today. conservationists say few people are aware of this worrying decline and are hoping to change that with a national geographic campaign launching today. we can now speak to dr amy dickman, national geographic explorer and senior research fellow in field conservation at university of oxford, and who runs the ruaha carnivore project in tanzania. i hope all of those titles were accurate. thank you for coming on the programme. tell the audience why this is so alarming. it is alarming because lions are such an iconic species, they have massive economic
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value in the countries where they are cooler, which is critically important because they are often very poor. they have great ecological value as top carnivore is an important existence value, people like to know we live in a big world with big predators like lions and tigers and bears, so there is the all—encompassing value species like lions have and i think we have done a very bad job of getting outjust how critical the situation is for lions and big cats. why are they declining? mainly because of habitat loss and loss of brave. as the population of humans in africa expands, you have an increasing overla p expands, you have an increasing overlap between the people's range and lions‘ range. overlap between the people‘s range and lions‘ range. it is a fundamentally important part of alliance but half of their ranges outside protected areas on human dominated land, so you lose habitat and pray and they come into direct contact with local people. you have actually lived in the bush alongside local people, alongside tried to kill lions, they also kill people, and you have
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tried —— and they have tried to kill lions. you have tried to explain to them. i worked in southern tanzania, one of the strongest strongholds of alliance and we are trying to engage the local divinity. there is no point telling anybody you cannot kill lions. if a lion walked in here now, you would be keen to someone to kill it. so where lions exist along people, we need to make sure people have all the skills they need to live alongside them as safe as possible, to protect livestock, protect themselves and that people know the benefits that lions bring. we worked directly with the warriors, who understand they get wealth and status from killing lions, so we worked with national geographic and others to develop culturally appropriate programme with those warriors to see how they could get those benefits, the wealth and status, by conserving lions rather than killing them. we have seen a rather than killing them. we have seen a big drop in the cultural
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lion hands and knees to get a lot of attention from women for killing lions and now we find the young women want to marry the lion defenders, they are getting status as being conservationists.” defenders, they are getting status as being conservationists. i think the first time after you tried to persuade them of the benefits of not killing lions, actually, a tribe went out and killed seven lions that night. it took us about two years to try and break in with the drive, they are notoriously difficult to work with, for conservationists, so we had a terrifying incident where they were going to kill me in the bush and then we met with them and we tried to explain that we weren‘t trying to cause problems for them, we just wanted to achieve whatever they were achieving through killing lions through conservation and they went very quickly to killing seven lions. and that was apparently a test to see that really whether we we re test to see that really whether we were going to turn against them or whether we were with them long term to work with lion conservation and make it a benefit for their community. since then, they have
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worked very well with us and we have saved more than seven lions, but it felt like a debt we had to pay off. you also showed them a trained dog, which they were amazed by. the purpose of introducing the dog was that it could protect their cattle. one of the issues is lion attacks upon their cattle, which is very important to them. we can protect them in in closures at night and national greer krapic does a lot with that, but one was protecting them in the day —— national geographic. there was very little believe that dogs can be useful there, even though everyone has dogs and it happened we had a local village dog that responded to a command and they were amazed, as king how do you get the magic dog? and that was the first time we talk to them about the fact that dogs can be useful and weak have placed the dogs there and they love them and there is a waiting list for dogs to protect their households. how does this campaign, which is going to be a chalk poster of
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a lion in london and as people walk over, it will disappear to replicate the fact that the lion population is declining, how does that help protect the lion population in parts of africa? so this is organised by national geographic‘s big cats initiative and it uses the only idea we all have other missing cat poster which alerts someone to a problem and says this is the action you can take to help us find the cat. it is raising awareness of the decline of big cats, particularly lions and say don‘tjust cats, particularly lions and say don‘t just feel back and feel helpless, support the national geographic big cats initiative and go to the website and you can support on the ground feel, stations like mine that are supporting line populations and also local populations and also local populations as well. and your first ever night sleeping in the bush, a huge lion slept on your tent. what you mean on your tent?|j
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huge lion slept on your tent. what you mean on your tent? i had a tiny tent, about as big as this circle here and he came up, sniffed around the tent, i was deeply terrified, he then walked around and sniffed and lay down, i jumped, then walked around and sniffed and lay down, ijumped, hejumped back, because he thought it was solid, then he lay down and snuggle down andi then he lay down and snuggle down and i was as terrified as i have ever been. the any weapons i had was a multitool knife and a can of spray, which the recommended lion defences and he was lying on the hand which had the knife in it, which was really alarming but i thought let sleeping cats like, let him be and even though it was the scariest experience of my life, it was an amazing experience and it also made me think about the people out there every night, living alongside these animals, they are terrifying and if you don‘t the right defences, it is terrifying, so projects like this enabled them to live alongside much better. thank you for telling our audience about
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the campaign. thank you for coming on the programme. thanks for your company today, we are back tomorrow at ten. bbc newsroom life is next. have a lovely, lovely, lovely day. -- bbc have a lovely, lovely, lovely day. —— bbc newsroom live. good morning. we have got some sunshine across many parts of the uk at the moment but through this morning, we had some quite disruptive snow and some ice across these northern and western parts of england and wales and up into the north—west of scotland. for the rest of today, there could still be the odd wintry showers moving through but foremost, it is dry, sunny and maximum temperatures 3—6d, so feeling on the chilly side. through tonight, watch out for some eyes across these and western parts. we have had some showers, freezing fog
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patches forming in central areas but with clear skies across northern parts, it could be the coldest night of the winter so far, potentially down 2—14 in parts of aberdeenshire. through thursday morning, the fog will still be with you in the morning and rain will spread into the south—west, that will turn readily to snow across wales, south—west england, through the midlands and into the south—east of england, so thursday night into friday, potential for widespread and significant disruption. bye—bye. you‘re watching bbc newsroom live — it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: theresa may prepares to go back to brussels over brexit, after mps in the house of commons supported plans to attempt
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a renegotiation of her deal with the european union. mps voted in favour of an amendment calling for alternatives to the current plans for the irish border. it is now clear that there is a route that can secure a substantial and sustainable... jeering. ..substa ntial and sustainable majority in this house for leaving the eu with a deal. and after mps rejected a no—deal brexit, labour leaderjeremy corbyn said he will now talk to the prime minister — it‘s expected that meeting will take place today. but the head of the cbi says uk companies are now likely to speed up their no—deal brexit plans, adding further negotiations with the eu "feels like a real throw of the dice". and this morning the eu‘s chief brexit negotiator has said "we stand by the agreement we have negotiated with the uk". i‘ll be here with reaction
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