lasted about six minutes between the passing of the brady amendment and europe making it clear they didn't, they want to be moving on the backstop. you know, they split the ball back and british quite today, and said well, what do you mean by these undefined changes? then the brady in an impasse, it didn't specify what changes to the backstop would actually make a difference, and today, we've only got 1a days, 13 days now until the next important commons vote. in that time, she has to come up with something. i don't think we've made a great deal of progress today, but i think stephen andi progress today, but i think stephen and i were just talking before you came on air, and i think there is more help i think, certainly i more helpful that we do now seem to know that parliament wants to rule out ldl, and a second referendum. so it's still quite hard to see the shape of the compromise that emerges. “— shape of the compromise that emerges. —— no deal. i'm more optimistic and i say that consciously, something like the

withdrawal agreement that theresa may brought back from brussels will pass, but perhaps not with much or a substantial change to the backstop. not much revision there. stephen, have you been surprised by the unity that there has been within the 27, so far in saying renegotiation, not a chance. some suggestion a few days ago about the polish foreign minister talking about a time—limited backstop and so on, but by and large, they have categorical. there's got to be no big gauche asian. i'm not surprised at all to be honest. because in most trade negotiations, the thing that we will have to get used to once we leave, which i think is inevitable now, and will be in our advantage in some trade negotiations, is that there are very few trade negotiations in which you don'tjust have that are very few trade negotiations in which you don't just have that they care, the bigger black, orthe big country simply enforcing its well. i just think the idea that if you are in that eu you need to blink

when you are the larger partner is going to be sort of alien to anyone in the 27. i mean why libby in that position, for the same reason that when the united states negotiates of canada, canada doesn't get a lot of what it wants. has many advantages of being a sovereign and thomas nation. but does that mean that the 27 believe they can handle a brackets, or does it mean that they are convinced that you uk will fold —— brack said. i think if you are monster lorries, you don't swear. if you are, if you are a range rover going up on monster lorry, eventually you start out, and that is the situation even though obviously neither side wants a collation, only one side will swear. the many natural, and they are the monster. they have massive wheels. i don't know how far we take this. that basically, what you're saying, all right, 0k that basically, what you're saying, all right, ok let's off brexit.

stephen, guardian for knife crime. as most style ordered to attack rising knife crime violence. interesting full story. it's an odd one in some ways, because it's not clear, it's not going down that well on any of the front pages. what it is, how it is that knife crimes will be all that different from existing anti—social behaviour disorder. and yeah, it's not like there are not plenty of criminal offences for carrying a knife anyway, it's not clear why this is the solution. but yeah, it would mean that yeah, criminal offe nces would mean that yeah, criminal offences which could contain a two—year jail offences which could contain a two—yearjail sentence, offences which could contain a two—year jail sentence, but again it's already quite a serious offence for a it's already quite a serious offence fora minorto be holding a it's already quite a serious offence for a minor to be holding a knife. so, clearly, the deterrent of if you get scott, is not the major factor here. yeah, the mirror, which

we are not featuring in this particular segment, but the mirror says that basically this is a farce. is this potentially in the mind of critics, some people say that this is just the government trying to be seen to be doing something, when in fact they've run out of any click options. i think the mayor of london said a little while ago that it would take about ten years to bring the knife crime epidemic in london under control. and that was sort of met with a lot of unhappiness, quite understandably by parents worried about their kids on the streets, because if you are braid about your kids on the street tonight, the idea that it's going to take ten years for a solution is a frightening prospect. people want people in charge of law and order to have a little bit more urgency about them. but it may be the case that actually, it is going to take ten yea rs. actually, it is going to take ten years. that's how long it takes, exactly. that's been the case in scotla nd exactly. that's been the case in scotland and canada. it a lot of it is about tackling gang crime.

we have a story about the county line drug running gangs, who have brought i to this problem. we have of course the whole issue of police numbers, where community policing has been cut back. five to much, so i think has been cut back. five to much, so ithink are has been cut back. five to much, so i think are things that can be done, and perhaps there is more to be done then suggested. do we really want to put more people, who are carrying knives for fear of being attacked themselves, into jail? which is what this policy seems to suggest, that there's an awful lot of evidence that the short, sharp, shack type sentence is that it talks about here are very counterproductive. they really, there are enough to disrupt a persons life, but not long enough to reform them. or rehabilitate them, so that's it does, i'm afraid, it's understandable but i don't think it has the ring of a real solution to that. it feels like a sticking plasty you might suggest.

now will go to the telegraph, on the front of that, he is quoted as saying i worry for my daughter i mid—rise and street violence. this is work for him, this kind of sort of, confessional i suppose stephen, him saying you now? trying to get empathy i suppose from the public out there, in their view of the dangers of bringing up a kid in london these days. sol london these days. so i don't think it does work for him, because he is ultimately the secretary of state for a party that has been in office for eight years. i think if you are an opposition politician, people would go out, you seem very human, but itjust seems oddly, it makes them seem weak i think. of course, i think part of that dynamic care, as because everyone in the conservative party knows it's going to be an election sooner rather than later, it encourages people to get into quite appositional mindset, they start thinking oh, well, i'm not prime minister. i could be, i'll make some

broad changes, so they start saying things like this, oh and angered by roth sleeping, i'm angered about my children. people just think, roth sleeping, i'm angered about my children. peoplejust think, it's not yourjob to fix that meat,. but i wonder, and his case, he's got on this talking bout being referred to by the p word, when he was growing up. and the abuse he's had in the past, and it perhaps does humanise him in a way that perhaps, you now, i don't know philip, theresa may, perhaps don't have that kind of sort of ring of human authenticity about them i suppose. i just wonder if actually you might be onto something here. i think we increasingly, rightly or wrongly as voters, do like to know a little bit about the biography about our politicians. a bit of back story. i think he's known as someone who is from a muslim background, someone

who grew up from humble roots, the son of someone who came into this country from pakistan. i think is a father of four children, which he has protected from the public eye, there's lots of mps that do that. they want their children to enjoy a private life, but i think a lot of people don't know that about him, as afamily man. people don't know that about him, as a family man. we know from american politics, how important that can be in presenting a more human side to politicians. i still want to agree with stephen and this particular incident, that it's nice to know, and it's understandable, but he's worried about his daughterjust as most other parents are worried about their daughters or children when they got at night. but he is on secretary, we don't want to know anything about it. he has the power on all of those issues we are discussing just a couple minutes ago. tell your finger out some might suggest. ok the telegraph and. web giant stephen face a legal duty of ca re giant stephen face a legal duty of care for children, interesting story thatis, care for children, interesting story

that is, because we had lots of talk about lots of discussion about facebook and self—harm videos that appear on youtube, which facebook owns. this does seem to be a growing movement towards the web and tech companies, having to start a phone app to the responsibilities that they have in the world that we live in today. yeah, facebook is a publisherjust as you now, as the bbc is a publisher. they claim they're not, but you now. the knack they are, if we had... and the committee has endorsed this and said let's, facebook needs to have similar roles for child protection, as broadcasters, newsagents, there is no other organisation in the world, that has that much material, not much photographs, etc etc that does not face some kind of expectation, and it will look after its youngest and

most vulnerable users. and facebook is now coming under pressure to do so, that is of course partly motivated by newspaper entities and their relationship at facebook. it doesn't change the fact and i think the telegraph have a good point with this campaign. sure, all right. we have to move on. can i know you are interested in this tray. just got a minute for this. china and america trade tax. we've got a picture there, the financial times. and yeah, it's pretty critical at the moment, if i can get the words out. in the discussions between these two, because we are on the eve potentially in a few weeks of massive tariffs being put in place, if these two make giant countries cannot sort their trade out. this is, we are largely focused on brexit and trump in the news at the moment, but i think when history looks back on the times that we are living through, at the moment, it will be the rise of china.

this massive economic power that is far from a democracy, and is becoming more totalitarian, the way it's treating its own citizens. ambitions that has not just treating its own citizens. ambitions that has notjust to, but is increasingly ripping off the intellectual property and intellectual property and intellectual creativity of western frailey liberal democracies. up until now, there hasn't been a leader in the world that has really stood up to this, and said call at time on it to stop the enrichment of china. now, trump is not my favourite politician in the world. but this may be the wrong thing that he's doing that's good. —— one thing that he's doing that's good. he's doing that's good. —— one thing that he's doing that's goodm he's doing that's good. —— one thing that he's doing that's good. it will be interesting in the next few weeks but those talks. stephen, tenant you will be back in a0 minutes to have more from these headlines. thanks for that. that's it for the papers for this hour. don't forget you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. it's all there for you, 7 days a week at bbc.co.uk/papers, and if you miss the programme any evening you can watch it later on bbc iplayer.

thank you to the political editor of the new statesman, stephen bush and conservative commentator, tim montgomerie. we'll all be back for a longer look at the papers at 11.30pm. but for now, goodbye. hello that evening, some of us had seen the wait stuff and there is more in the forecast, some very cold air in places across the british isles at the moment, then this swell of winds moving into the picture, this is an area of low pressure, and you probably don't need me to tell you probably don't need me to tell you that the cold weather equals snow. for some of us at least, not only snow in either, some five and some ice. so as we go through thursday and friday, there certainly is the potential for some travel disruption. now we are going to start thursday and a very cold now, because temperatures are continuing to drop away, clear starry skies for many, freezing fog patch is developing across parts has had in scotla nd developing across parts has had in scotland and tonight in england, maybe down into the midlands, widely well below freezing. maybe all

the way down to —15 degrees and some shelter spots in scotland. so a cold frosty icy start to for it some tomorrow morning, some freezing fog patches as well, but actually for many it's not about biking day. some crisp winter sunshine, a scattering of winter showers for eastern and northern costs, but down to the southwest, it turns quite windy for a time, and this frontal system that sta rts a time, and this frontal system that starts to make inroads, some rain, but yes now especially of our high ground in the southwest and south of wells. increasingly though there is potential for that's not to file to the lower levels, and i will certainly be the case as this friend moves its way into central southern england, the london area into the midlands and east wales, some areas could see quite a lot of snow, quite widely a few centimetres of snow, but an area through the last country into that tends ballet, could see around 3—7 psi metres as now maybe as much as 1570 does the snow piling up as much as 1570 does the snow piling up on some of the hills of east wales. that's now being blown around ona wales. that's now being blown around on a brisket southeasterly wind. while all of that is going on in the

south, further north, some snow showers developing across parts of northeast england, still some wintry showers feeding into the cross of north of scotland, and temperatures has a start friday morning close to or below freezing. so again, there's likely to be some ice. now as we go enter friday, our first area of snow across central parts will tend to fizzle away, but we can see more wintry showers, maybe even a fresh covering of snow across some southern counties. still some snow showers feeding across more than a man, maybe down into the east midlands, some fortnight scotla nd the east midlands, some fortnight scotland as well, and it will be called, highs of three to 5 degrees. this is bbc news. the headlines at 11:00pm: the eu says it won't renegotiate britain's brexit deal, despite the vote at westminster for changes to the so—called irish border backstop. the withdrawal agreement remains the best and only deal possible. the european union said so in november. we said so in december. back at

westminster, the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, has held talks with theresa may on brexit and says there had been a constructive exchange of views. serious, exploratory on the issues, and i set out the labour case for a comprehensive customs union with the european union, in order to protect jobs in this country. two seat cushions have washed up on the french coast, possibly from the plane that disappeared over the channel carrying the footballer emiliano sala. and a big freeze hits the us, with arctic conditions sending temperatures down as low as —30 celsius. in sport, a missed opportunity for premier league leaders liverpool, as they drop two points at home to leicester. and at 11:30pm, we will be taking an in—depth look at the papers