hello it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. should online abuse against disabled people be a hate crime? katie price thinks so. her 16—year—old son harvey is disabled and has autism. he has been subjected to shocking online taunts and she's managed to get mps to back her campaing to make it a criminal offence. they're here live in the studio to talk about how they've coped with the abuse. i'm very well, thank you. how are you? if it wasn't for me, america would be at war with north korea. that was one of president trump's claims last night in his annual speech to us politcians. he also took a swipe at the investigation into his campaign's alleged links with russia. an economic miracle is taking place in the united states, and the only thing that can stop it are foolish

wars, politics, or ridiculous partisan investigations. we'll have reaction from the states. and they broke into stansted airport and locked themselves around the wing of a plane of people who were due to be deported. now the so—called stansted 15 will find out today if any of them will go to prison for what they did. one of them has an five—week—old baby. to use this legislation against a peaceful protest is completely, com pletely peaceful protest is completely, completely inappropriate and draconian. they admit they broke the law — do you think they deserve a prison sentence? let me know. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do you back katie price and her son harvey's campagin

to make online abuse of people with disabilities a criminal offence? we'll talk to them live in five mins. here's annita mcveigh with a summary of the days news. mrtrump has mr trump has called for a further push for peace with kim jong—un. in his state of the union address, donald trump also appealed for support in his mission to build a border while with mexico. police have been investigating a fatal stabbing in london. the victim, who was 19, was attacked in battersea last night. paramedics tried to save him, but he was declared dead at the scene. the prime minister is beginning a day of talks with the

five political parties of northern ireland on her second day of visit to the country. she said she will be looking to change rather than remove her backstop proposal, designed to plenty ha rd her backstop proposal, designed to plenty hard border between the republic of ireland and northern ireland after brexit. it is hoped they can reach an agreement on an issue which has long divided opinion. an investigation is under way into a house fire which killed four children in stafford. the four children this have been named by staffordshire police as riley holt, keegan unitt, tilly rose unitt, and olly unitt. they were aged between three and eight. their younger brother, mother and her partner are still in hospital after they jumped to safety from a first—floor window

as the fire took hold in the early hours of tuesday. only one in three adults in the uk believes it is possible to reduce their risk of developing dementia. the study by alzheimer's research found a lack of awareness surrounding lifestyle choices that can increase the risk of developing the disease. they include heavy drinking, genetics, smoking, high blood pressure, depression and diabetes. exercise is known to help protect against it. nearly half of those quizzed for the poll did not know dementia was a cause of death. it's been confirmed the oscars ceremony will take place later this month without a host for the first time in 30 years. the comedian kevin hart stepped down in december, after apologising for homophobic comments he'd made a decade earlier. the network that hosts the ceremony, said it would instead have various celebrities presenting the trophies. the red carpet opening of liam neeson‘s latest film was cancelled last night amid a race row over comments he made in an interview. the hollywood actor sparked outrage after admitting he once wanted a kill a random black man after a friend was raped. neeson has denied he is racist and said he wanted to start a wider conversation about racism.

and that is our summary. back to you, victoria. thank you. mum of five, businesswoman, and now disability rights campaigner — katie price is looking to the next step of her campaign to make online abuse towards people with disabilities a hate crime. mps have backed herfight calling for it to be made a criminal offence. it started when her son harvey who is now 16—year—old and who is partially blind, autistic and has prader—willi syndrome, which is a rare genetic condition that causes a wide range of physical symptoms, learning difficulties and behavioural problems, was the target of horrible online abuse. here are some of the tweets about harvey which katie has said she's happy for us to show to illustrate the kind of hate that is directed at them. i've got some sweets for harvey here, i hope he chokes on them. another — why does harvey price look like a member of the ira? and here is a tweet from a now suspended twitter account created just to post memes and abuse aimed at harvey.

there are even worse than that out there, believe it or not. we can speak to katie and harvey price now in their only bbc interview about this. how are you, harvey? very good. how are you 0k, go on, have a trick of water. money is going to talk to victoria. congratulations on your campaigning so far. to get some politicians agreeing with you that online abuse should be made a criminal offence. how do you feel about that? me and my mum started it together and itjust about that? me and my mum started it together and it just goes to about that? me and my mum started it together and itjust goes to prove never give up so you need a certain amount of signatures first and then obviously we went to the select committee. let mummy talk. of course. goodbye. so we went to the select committee and sorted other people to put our case forward and i'iow

people to put our case forward and now it is going to the government in april for the mps to discuss it so anyone out there, go to your local mp and push them to go because the more mps that go there, well, it should become a criminal offence. it isa should become a criminal offence. it is a no—brainer, really. should become a criminal offence. it is a no-brainer, really. there is still a way to go. these mps have said it would be a good idea. you wa nted said it would be a good idea. you wanted to become harvey's la. do you know what the next step is now? well, it goes to the government in april and they will discuss it, but it is notjust about people with disabilities. it could be someone at work, in the workplace, children, anything about your size, your gender, anything. it is disgusting. i don't see why people should get away with it because if you say it verbally you get in trouble but if it is online and you read about it people don't take seriously. yer. how have you coped with the level of terrible trolling that harvey has received? well, i have received it myself a lot so i have become

desensitised. i don't know whether thatis desensitised. i don't know whether that is healthy or not. it is obvious they registering somewhere up. i don't know if harvey understands. someone did a video about him and i went to the police and they arrested him and they couldn't charging because there is nothing in place. that happened online. as you can see, he's so innocent sitting here. why would anyone want to do that? he so innocent. if there are any tools out there watching or know any trolls, what you get out of picking someone like this? imagine if it were someone you love like this? imagine if it were someone you love and they committed suicide because of a man trolls, so thatis suicide because of a man trolls, so that is what you are. always think about that the next time you write something. what you think of those people who have abused harvey and yourself over the years? the thing is, there has to be a line where how much abuse does it take for them to get a criminal offence. some people might have mental health problems out there and they take it out of people and stuff, so they have to...

but i am talking about the deliberate haters, who post something that i know is pretty evil in order presumably to get some reaction. i have named and shamed a lot of them, but it still happens. but i don't know why they would want to pick on him at all. i don't know what people see. this is what mps recommended after you gave evidence. giving disabled people the same protection under hate crime laws as those who are abused because of their race or religion. social media companies accepting the responsibility for allowing toxic environments to exist unchallenged, and also a register to make it possible to see whether someone had been convicted of hate crime on the grounds of disability before they got ina grounds of disability before they got in a job. grounds of disability before they got in ajob. i think grounds of disability before they got in a job. i think that's right, though. someone can be perfect in front of you, and then you don't know really the other side of them. you think that goes far enough or is there anything else that you would like them to do? i think they should just stop. at the end of the day, we are all allowed freedom of speech. even comedians, i have a problem

with some comedians like frankie boyle who properly picked on his disability, size and everything. why should he get away with itjust because he's a comedian? what you think should happen to someone like him? i did a programme on him because i wanted him to apologise. he didn't. but i always say that if it was his wife are someone and they had had an accident and they were paralysed and he had to get them care, would he then be the same? do still want that apology from frankie boyle ? still want that apology from frankie boyle? i would never get it. i didn't get it from channel 4 either. if you want to report it, you have to give your name, number, address, you have to prove anything. i think it should be this way online. the only reason we cut one of the people is because every day they went to a running track and that is how we trace them. what do you think of what your mother has done?m trace them. what do you think of what your mother has done? it is

very well. are you proud of third? of course. people may slate me but whether you like me or hate me, you can't knock me for this. this is one of the best things i have ever done and harvey is one of the best thing that has ever happened to me as well. i love you some much, don't you? i love you. i love thunderstorms. it should definitely bea thunderstorms. it should definitely be a criminal offence. i would like to take it worldwide as well. would you? absolutely. why not. last week, you? absolutely. why not. last week, you opened an instagram account for harvey. i think we have a clip. 0h, look, harvey. hello, everyone. my instagram name is harvey price. kiki, do you love me? are you riding? # do—do—do—do—do—do #. what you think? i love it. when you

do drawings, where do you say to mummy that you want me to put it? instagram. you have brought some of your drawings, haven't you harvey? just hold one up for the camera so that we can see that. considering he was born blind, they didn't think he would walk or talk or anything, so he can write and also draw. those are some of the things that you have posted and you have so many lovely m essa 9 es posted and you have so many lovely messages but also there have been so many people saying you are campaigning against trolls online, but by having a public instagram account, harvey could be subject to more abuse. but that's why i'm doing this, because why cant he have it? he is entitled tojust like everybody else. that's what i don't get. he still gets some trolls, but hopefully it was. he doesn't eat it anyway. he doesn't understand. luckily, because i am in the public

eye, i have been able to make people aware of the campaign that i am doing, so people cannot me all they like. i don't care. you know you get people in the public eye asking people in the public eye asking people to donate to charities and stuff, this isn't even about money. this is about protecting everyone around you. sony people have committed suicide and online is the way forward now. so there should be some protection there. way forward now. so there should be some protection therelj way forward now. so there should be some protection there. i want to ask you about... uh-oh. . no, it's ok. a dad called ian russell took to the bbc about what happened to his daughter a couple of weeks ago. she is 14 and she is called molly russell and she took a knife in 2017 after looking at disturbing content about suicide on social media. and her dad said that she believed instagram was in part responsible for her death, instagram helped to kill his daughter, he said. how much should social media companies take responsibility for that kind of

harmful content, do you think? this is why i think things should be guarded. goodbye. it's only the door. i know. just be good, yeah? of course. so i picked one up and i had to take it down because he was getting trolled. my kids who are teenagers believe and they look at all of these things on instagram and i try to say to them that it is not all real. i have been airbrushed, my pictures. what you see is not real. and they have so much access to all of these sites, even if you put an aduu of these sites, even if you put an adult block, even their friends will send them stuff. so you are never really 100% protected. exactly. but do you think social media companies should be the ones who are taking the harmful stuff down, notjust the abusive posts, but posts on self—harm, that anything? absolutely. if young people watch

it, they know how to do it, and then they will do it. exactly. the digital minister said yesterday social media giants put profits before the welfare of children. do you agree with that asylum well, i don't know, really. let me read some messages. i think what katie is doing is amazing. any kind of bullying is despicable and cowardly. everyone deserves the same rights and respect. keep pushing forward, katie. you have the country behind you. someone else says, is a mother of two children with autism, i would like to applaud katie for the work she is doing to stop this. my children have a difficult enough time without children being so cruel. reputable son harvey is a lucky lad to have such a strong, devoted mum like her. keep strong and thank you to harvey. thank you. are you listening to the lovely things? mac says, good for her.

making a stand, protecting her children. one more for now. jimmy treats what she and harvey have had to put up with is disgusting. i have two daughters, eight years and four yea rs of two daughters, eight years and four years of age, and i have brought them up to be respected. whatever they have been through is a form of bullying and whoever does it needs to be charged. and i will read some more about later on. have you had any trolls on this? i'm surprised you haven't. ithought any trolls on this? i'm surprised you haven't. i thought you might get some just to try and be clever. one or two. the vast majority. you can check it out if you want. look at the twitter after. politicians get loads of criticism, but from your experience, this experience of giving evidence and trying to work with them and trying to persuade them to back your campaign, what is your view of them? well, mps have been trolled. it doesn't matter what you do, there is always that. they

know it should be in place. it is a no—brainer. it is just know it should be in place. it is a no—brainer. it isjust to protect everyone. everyone has a right and evenif everyone. everyone has a right and even if you got disabilities they should be treated the same as able people. i even hate the word disability. and i like to applaud everyone out there with disabilities because it is so hard and challenging and i don't think the ca re rs challenging and i don't think the carers get enough respect either. do you think you get respect for caring for harvey? i don't think people realise how hard it is. before we came, i had to bath him and washing because he can't do it himself. i had to dress in. i do everything for you, don't i? you're like the king. he wets the bed twice a night. he needs all of these meds here to survive. if you doesn't have these ina day, survive. if you doesn't have these in a day, he'll dive. all of that, everyday? six times a day he has these, and an injection at night. but you're used to taking your medications, aren't you? you know

the times because you want to snatch every time. but it is challenging, so every time. but it is challenging, soi every time. but it is challenging, so i respect. anyone looking after the elderly as well. it breaks my heart what the elderly go through. i wanted to train for a nurse, and i wa nt wanted to train for a nurse, and i want to train to be a paramedic. i would do it on the side. would you ever consider whether you could get some extra help with harvey, as residential care scion it has got to the stage now... what do you do at all mad money's else? -- smash things. and how many —— smash things. and how many ipads have you smashed? eight. it is the first time i am thinking he may have to be residential because if he kicks off in the morning that he won't get to go to school and then he will miss out on his education. he wants to be with me all the time.

it is so hard. i have never had respite. i don't have a cater for him. ido respite. i don't have a cater for him. i do it all myself. but i am really having to think about it, but i hate it because he is my life. i have to do what is best for him. it won't be forever. don't do that, please. that would be a very hard decision. yes, but when he is smashing things and because the kids are scared because he is big and i am chasing him. i have to do it for him. if anyone out there can give me advice and what it is like going residential. we definitely have some viewers because we are committed to issues around disability on this programme so definitely some viewers will have had the experience. come on my twitter. i don't know anybody else. where he goes to school, kids come from all over the country to go there so i don't even mix at any of there so i don't even mix at any of the mums and dads. i'm on my own and i don't talk to anyone and it can be lonely. i wanted to ask you about these drugs. do you know if any of these drugs. do you know if any of these come from abroad? i would have

that sum did. do you worry about getting access to any of these drugs after brexit? every time we go on holiday abroad, he has a passport to the hospital and it is changed into the hospital and it is changed into the language so great always cold the language so great always cold the hospital to make sure that they have all of his medicine, so i haven't had a problem, touch wood. do think things might change after brexit? i don't know what's going on. one thing i nevertalk brexit? i don't know what's going on. one thing i never talk about is politics like that because whatever i say won't be right. can't win. well, you have just i say won't be right. can't win. well, you havejust got i say won't be right. can't win. well, you have just got your own opinion. can't have a wrong opinion. ijust think it is a vile world we live in sometimes. it is. did you vote in the eu referendum? no, i didn't, actually. know, it is there enough. i do it through the post all the time. the council were saying, you need to vote, you need to vote. your achievement with this on my petition is some really positive news in what has been an incredibly

stressful year for you. tell our audience a little bit about the year you've had. last year was an awful year. i found out that my mum was terminally ill, then my husband at the time was cheating on me again, and then my horse got run over outside my house and i saw it die in my hands, my dog got run over in my driveway, then in south africa i was held at gunpoint. we were hijacked andl held at gunpoint. we were hijacked and i had my children with me so they now know that i would literally ta ke they now know that i would literally take a bullet for them. it was so traumatic. and then he had a kidnapping threat again and then i was divorcing my husband and ijust couldn't take it anymore. i had no one to talk to because i couldn't trust anyone. sol one to talk to because i couldn't trust anyone. so i went to the priory. i was self—medicating on a drug and i'm not proud of it. it was cocaine. what do you mean self—medicating? cocaine. what do you mean self-medicating? well, it was an escapism for me. i went to the doctor because i knew it wasn't

right. i have never been up that track before and never done drugs and stuff, so i went to the doctor and stuff, so i went to the doctor and it was the hardest thing ever to set there and say i am at breaking point, i'm doing this, i need help. cani point, i'm doing this, i need help. can i ask, how often will you doing it regularly. not everyday. weekly? weekly, yes. and for how long? probably about half a year. the papersaid probably about half a year. the paper said that i was in the priory forging can drugs, which i was not. i was forging can drugs, which i was not. iwas in forging can drugs, which i was not. i was in there for severe trauma rehabilitation. they only said i had to do four weeks. but people should always speak out, never keep it in. this is what i mean about the online stuff. people don't talk enough about this. if you have problems, it is so good to talk about it. i'm not ashamed i did it. it's not good, but i couldn't help it. i was ill, really. this year, ijust wish the press would stop writing rubbish stories about the everyday and actually admit that i done something good for a change like this. why

don't they ever talk about something good? i'm don't they ever talk about something good? i'm trying to get on with my life but because they keep writing rubbish. they wrote that you were bankrupt, and that is not technically true. know, one of my companies did, but so many business people, loads of them go bankrupt and start again. and you know what? i have never got through it before andlam, i have never got through it before and i am, and the only way is up. sometimes it's good to have a reality check. you always end up in a box anyway. you can't take anything with you. it was reported that you are worth £30 million at one point. how does anyone know what bank accounts i have got? i was in the riches that one point and i am like, my god, i wish i had that. the one thing i will say is i would like to bea one thing i will say is i would like to be a true example to people that lama to be a true example to people that i am a working mum of five. i have never taken anything of the government. i find anything myself and it is hard work. so instead of knocking me, ithink and it is hard work. so instead of knocking me, i think people should sometime say, you know what, she is actually doing all right. get the violent out. i'm getting. no, no,

it's fine. someone says, it is a moral issue, ultimately. surely a person plasma conscience will tell someone person plasma conscience will tell someone that you send a vile and hateful messages wrong. we must listen to and educate people. bill says, if someone is targeted for many bees because of their disability, then that should be a hit crime. if it isn't connected with a disability, then they should be treated like if you are not an existing law is applied if necessary stop sign i don't think it will ever stop. i think that people know that there is something in place that it will be a criminal offence, i think then they might think twice about what they write. you have got five children. don't i know it and to poppies and animals. you talked about you are considering residential during the week. and last week, you said you were planning to adopt an orphan from nigeria. i would love to adopt. i still want my own and i don't care if they have got disabilities or anything. i if they have got disabilities or anything. lam if they have got disabilities or anything. i am just so loving. i just like to offer it, like a home

for a child that is not wanted. are you anyway along that process?|j you anyway along that process?” have met a lady, yes. in some countries. it is easy to adopt them abroad but it is not easy to get them in the country. in england, it is even harder to try and adopt. what is your ideal number of children? well, in my head it is a co nveyor children? well, in my head it is a conveyor belt keeping me young. they move out or whatever, just... six, eight, ten? i have got 11 bedrooms. 0h, eight, ten? i have got 11 bedrooms. oh, my god! iwould like eight, ten? i have got 11 bedrooms. oh, my god! i would like to clear that up as well. the paper said that i wouldn't be able to adopt because of my situation and all of this. it's absolute rubbish. no one knows how far i'm going, how far i've got with it. katie price and her gorgeous by. he is so precious, as is every child. you have done very good. you just want that muffin,

don't you? and carbonara tonight?m course. will you help me cook it? of course. will you help me cook it? of course stop sign a lot of people with kids with disabilities, they sort of mollycoddle them, but i don't. i make into the dishwasher. you help in the kitchen, you help me cook. he is no different from anyone else, internet trolls need to crawl back under their rocks and please use your platform to blow the subject. amy says, i am sat here watching you on the bbc in tears. you should be so proud of yourself. the love you have for harvey is amazing. he seems like such a sweet buy. i can't understand why anyone would say something so cruel. john says, such an incredible woman to ta ke says, such an incredible woman to take on these horrid trolls. you'd respect you and your family. it is very important that we protect innocent, vulnerable people online against the evil trolls. most of the segment he gets is from the football background, football fans. we looked into it. because his dad was a footballer? yes. most of it is from

foot ball footballer? yes. most of it is from football fans and stuff. he doesn't see dwight because he doesn't want to know him, but even pete and kieran, i wish they would back it is well. the more people that are aware of it, the better. good luck with your goal. going to say thank you? thank you, victoria. congratulations. well done. thank you. de want to say anything to anyone with yellow thank you, everyone. d want to say something to everyone? support harvey price. love you. love you to. labour, there deputy leader thinks it might be time to spit up big firms such as google and facebook. and 15 people who broke into stansted airport to protest against people being

deported to africa will find out this afternoon if they are going to jail. we will speak to them. president trump has claimed that america would be at war with north korea if it wasn't for him. he made the claim during his annual speech to us politicians. president trump has claimed that america would be at war he made the claim during his annual speech to us politicians. he also took a swipe at the investigations into his campaign's alleged links to russia and again, vowed to build a wall on the mexican border. but the biggest news was the announcement of a second summit with the north korean leader. the president said that "much work remains to be done but my relationship with kimjong—un is a good one". if i had not been elected president of the united states, we would right now, in my opinion, be in a major war with north korea. much work remains to be done, but my relationship with kim

jong—un is a good one. chairman kim and i will meet again on february 27th and 28th in vietnam. all the women from the opposition democratic party came to the speech dressed in white to celebrate the 100th anniversary of american women gaining the right to vote. when the president boasted about boosted the number of women in employment, their response was quite unexpected. have a look. no—one has benefited more from a thriving economy than women, who have filled 58% of the newly created jobs last year. cheering you weren't supposed to do that.

thank you very much. but unity between republicans and democrats didn't last long. president trump is facing a long investigation into his campaign team's alleged links to russia. he used the speech to attack this investigation. democrat nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, who the third highest ranking politcian in the us. have a look at her reaction to what trump says here. an economic miracle is taking place in the united states, and the only thing that can stop it are full —ish wars, politics, or ridiculous

partisan investigations. cheering if there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. it just doesn't work that way. we can speak now to celinda lake who is a democratic pollster. pastor mark burns, a supporter of donald trump who has appeared at rallies with him, and peter goodman, who writes for the new york times here in london. hello! thank you for talking to us. mark burns, he is adamant that the

wall will be built. but how? the wall will be built. but how? the wall is going to be built because again, as you can see, we are already building part of the wall. he was going to pay for it? —— who is going to pay for it? congress is going to pass it, donald trump is a proven deal—maker. this is why we elected him, she was overwhelmingly elected him, she was overwhelmingly elected and hundreds of millions of americans are —— he was overwhelmingly elected and hundreds of millions of american support him. 7296, of millions of american support him. 72%, cbs news reported this, 72% of americans are supporting the president's state of the union address and they want the wall built. that is astronomical numbers. this was left—wing media reporting this. shouldn't they work together, shouldn't the democrats work with donald trump to find a copyright at least? —— a compromise at least.

donald trump to find a copyright at least? -- a compromise at least. the democrats are very willing to work together to find a come from eyes. the democrats are eager to find a road map to find a solution that we had already that donald trump took out of place for the daca students, who came here illegally as children, many of them are now border patrol, military, nurses, they have gone to college. the democrats are trying to find a compromise but it is no cops might keep saying, i want $5 billion or more. “— might keep saying, i want $5 billion or more. —— it is no compromise to keep saying. i want $5 million for a wall. what was the irony in the president calling for unity? he had been saying in the run—up it was about reconciliation and reaching the aisle, but the republicans lost control of the house and you cannot

get anything achieved unless he finds a way to some democratic votes. the substance of the speech made clear that the divide is not going away. donald trump has cyclic spoken of consideration and working across the partisan divide, conciliation, and then he goes back to his core base you are motivated by fear, this idea which is contradicted by data that the us is rife with crime, that there are illegal immigrants streaming across the border, there are in fact you are than they are used to be, they are than they are used to be, they are raping women and attacking people in their houses. this is very stimulating to his base and what is clear from the speech last night is that that is not going away. he came back and said despite the fact that we had just come out of the longest shutdown of the federal government in history, i am going to build this wall. to get the wall built and get other things done, he has to get

them are crap on board because... —— gets democrats on board. he threatened a national emergency. to declare that. but there is pushback from his own party, they do not like the president of a president coming along and declaring a national emergency, they worried that if a democrat is in the white house, they will declare a emergency and deal with gun control or time a change. but it is still out there, and he has said on twitter, if i need to come to get this wall built, i will. he had two things he fears, one of the stock market which is falling, and the other is right—wing pundits on cable talk shows in the united states are saying, you promised us a wall, and you are, my. he is ready boxed in. —— you are compromised. tell us what you think is the significance of this summit coming up significance of this summit coming up with the leader of north korea.

the president made it very clear and i agree with him, if he had not been elected resident of the 45th president of the united states, we would be insignificant conflict with north korea. no other president has done it, they have had the deal—making skills to have this happen. so here we are on the eve of a second summit. this is historic for america, this is hysterical south and north korea and even involving china, and reallyjust making it better for the everyday american here in this country. american here in this country. america wants to be secure and safe. when donald trump was running for president, every pundit was stating that if he was elected, we were going to go to nuclear war with north korea. yet here we are in peace talks at the second summit, thatis peace talks at the second summit, that is historic and i believe only donald trump was the person to do that. which is why he is going to win again in 2020. is he? yes, i'm

here. is he going to win again in 2020? i think that donald trump is in very deep trouble. first of all he has a net negative drop performance and you do not usually get re—elected if you have that. secondly the demographic trends and the turnout in 2018 suggested that he has had an ability to mobilise his base but he has also had an ability to create a majority of vote rs ability to create a majority of voters who are opposed and want to check and balance his policies. the single biggest challenge for the democrat is to make sure that we do notjust engage democrat is to make sure that we do not just engage him democrat is to make sure that we do notjust engage him on things like the wall, but that we offer an economic talented, that we have a clear economic plan for prosperity and the future of the country. if we do that and mobilise our vote, donald trump will not be 2020 president. what you will see double trap engage in is very negative

politics, —— donald trump engage in is very negative politics as he tried to destroy his opponent because otherwise he cannot be done. can he win again, will he? he has got his work cut out for him, he has a 37% or 40% approval rating depending on which poll you believe, he is the least popular president at this point in his presidency since ronald reagan. and he is seen as divisive, 51% of the country thinks he is racist. he had his work cut out for him. but he has taken away health care from the working class work as he has promised to catered to. he has run a plutocratic policy while talking a policy populist campaign. working—class people are not seeing significant wage growth. it's better than it was but he has essentially inherited a very strong, from his predecessor. he has made the stock market go up which is nice

for high income earners and he has handed out the biggest tax cuts to wealthy people ever and business people are grateful for that. but ordinary people, suburban working class voters, he has a lot of negatives to consider. thank you to all of our guests for your time. they give your messages about katie price, she revealed exclusively earlier that she is considering residential care for her son harvey. he has autism and other conditions, and various disabilities as a result of that. she says she finds it hard sometimes, it's a struggle. linda says, katie, our hat is off to you. ourson says, katie, our hat is off to you. our son goes to respite, he has been going for six years and he is 1a. he isa going for six years and he is 1a. he is a grieving process, you will miss him but you need to respite to recover and be fit to continue. it's not easy but he will hopefully enjoy it. this one says, katie is amazing.

i have an disabled son and life can be hard sometimes. i'm glad she has found helpful herself when she needed. anita says, huge respect and admiration on katie price and her campaign against internet told and abuse that have made her and has some's life a misery. keep going, you have more supporters than you think. this one says, i am so bowled over with katie price, she deserves so much more respect than she gets. she is honest and determined, and her love for harvey knows no bounds and she will fight to the death for him. she's inspirational, wish her all luck and success for her campaign, and all the best for a happy life, she deserves it all. a group of direct action protesters known as the stansted 15 will be sentenced in court today. 18 months ago, they cut through the perimeter fence at stanstead airport and locked themselves around the wing and wheel of a boeing 767 that was scheduled to fly people from uk detention centres to africa. the runway had to be closed and 23

flights were diverted. the group, aged between 28 and 44 years old, were arrested and in december. all 15 were found guilty by a jury of disrupting services and "endangering an aerodrome" under the 1990 aviation and maritime security act. when they appeared on our programme after their conviction, they said they had no regrets. today they will find out what punishment they will receive. technically, the offences carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. just before they went into the court i spoke to emma hughes, who is one of the stansted 15 and has recently given birth. her baby is nowjust over five weeks old. and to mel evans, who was also one of the protestors involved. they have beenjoined by a number of protestors outside of chemlsford crown court ahead of their sentencing. feeling scared about the uncertainty, we don't know what's going to happen today. it's a really nerve—racking time for us. what about yourself, mel? yes, exactly the same. it has been a very scary process altogether. we should never have been charged with this offence,

and now we face sentence today. technically, you could receive a life sentence. unlikely to happen, but what have you been told, emma, is your best case scenario? i have been given a range of options, from a jail sentence to an electronic tag and a curfew where i'd have to be in every night at a particular time. and you gave birth five weeks ago. you have a five—week—old baby boy. what are your thoughts regarding him and your immediate future as his mum? yes, i mean, obviously if we go to jail, being separated from him would be absolutely horrific. but at this point, when he is so young, any kind of unpaid work or electronic tag or curfew, it is all going to be very difficult and will have an impact on my child. do you expect the judge to take

into account the fact that you have just given birth to a baby? i hope so, but we don't know at this point. 0k. and for yourself, mel evans, what have you been told is the worst—case scenario and the best case scenario? at this point, anything can still happen. it is hard to say. i would hope that the judge would be lenient and give a sentence of unpaid work because that is what is standard in peaceful protest cases, and that is what caselaw says. however, you just don't know because the cps have gone to extremes in prosecuting us with this offence. you say that, and you said earlier you should never have been charged, but you did use bolt cutters to get through an airport perimeter fence, you approached a large plane waiting on a stand, you secured yourselves to its wheel, and used a lockbox device, which made you immovable,

and you caused the disruption to flights in and out of stansted, causing delays for thousands of passengers. are you suggesting that you should have got away with all of that? i was never surprised that we were charged with aggravated trespass, but four months after the action, the charge was changed to something to do with terror legislation, and that is what i find so shocking and outrageous about our case. if we had been prosecuted for aggravated trespass, that would have been over and done with 18 months ago at much lower cost to the taxpayer. but the way they have treated us has meant that it has dragged out for two years, it has been a very scary process for all of us, and this legislation is not appropriate. there are thousands, if not millions of people across the uk who have come out to support us because they shared the concerns that we had about how the home office is treating people, and how people are held in detention centres,

and how they are deported in the middle of the night, taken from their homes and families. ours was a peaceful protest about something which many people across the uk are deeply concerned about, and the way that the cps has prosecuted us has been worrying for all of us, i think. they say it is not a terrorist charge. "the charges in this case is from the aviation and maritime security act of 1990 and it applies to those who intentionally disrupt service at an aerodrome regardless of their motivation". no mention of the word terrorism. this is terror related legislation, it was brought in after the lockerbie bombing. it is targeted at serious acts of violence. to use this legislation against a peaceful protest is greatly inappropriate and draconian. it is a government who is scared, and one that knows it is in crisis. it is locking people up, detaining them, deporting them in an illegitimate way.

thank you both for talking to us ahead of sentencing. we appreciate your time. emma hughes and mel evans. thank you. a home office spokesperson said: right to remain in the uk, including foreign national offenders and failed asylum seekers. we expect people to leave the country voluntarily but, where they do not, the home office will seek to enforce their departure. earlier as you know, we were talking to katie price about her campaign to make online abuse against disabled people a crime. and the deputy leader of the labour party tom watson is making a speech this morning on this subject too, setting out plans to introduce more regulation of the social media giants. he says that the death of 14—year—old molly russell is an example of the harm online content can do. the teenager took her own life. her family believe content she viewed on instagram was partly responsible.

he was tom watson explaining his plans. we will create a regulator that enforces a duty of care on the data monopoly platforms to ensure that they have to change their behaviours. the reason i say this is important is that, you know, mark zuckerberg, the owner of facebook, thinks that he is unaccountable to our democratic institutions. he refused an invitation to attend the culture select committee that looks at these things, and yet he is profiting by many billions of pounds from data created from uk citizens, and particularly our children. we think the only way this will work is by a duty of care that can have a fines regime that impacts on the bottom line of these companies. are you talking about them taking all harmful content down? who is going to be thejudge, the arbiter of the harmful content? that will be a new regulator. at the moment there are laws on hate crime. what the regulator will do is create a sort

ofjudicial oversight, where there could be quick take—down notices enforced by the regulator, and financial penalties if they don't do that. what sort of fines are you talking about? currently, the european arrangements where there are data breaches can fine companies up to 4% of their turnover, or 20 million euros, whichever the maximum. i think it requires that magnum at the extreme end of this in order to impact on these very cash rich data monopolies in silicon valley. what about forcing them to change the way their algorithms work, which means when you search for a particular subject area, like self harm, or suicide, you are then automatically sent more content from those areas? certainly, we are looking for the regulators to have powers to enforce these areas.

people are now getting jobs, or losing jobs as a result of algorithms, and we saw the example of amazon, where it discriminated against women when it came to algorithmic employment. so we want to change that. actually, you know, the data companies could deal with this. in germany, where they have got a regime to deal with hate crime, we believe there are far more online moderators, more resource given to dealing with these issues because the legislative arrangements in germany have tightened up on this, so we are looking to our german partners to see whether there are lessons we can learn in the uk, and i certainly think there are. ok, finally, i want to ask you about the footage that has emerged ofjeremy corbyn at that anti—lisbon treaty rally, where he was anti the eu. let's have a listen. if you succeed in getting a no vote here, that would be such a boost to people like us all over

europe that do not want to live in the european empire of the 21st century. "people like us who don't want to live in a "european empire of the 21st century." isjeremy corbyn are being honest about his views on the eu now, or has he genuinely changed his mind since then? he is being very straight. what you saw there was jeremy corbyn the backbencher shaking the tree, and he went into the referendum, publicly supporting the remain campaign. so he's gone from being anti—eu to pro? wanting to reform the eu, that's always been labour's position. we don't always get the chance to say this. we said during the referendum that we thought the eu was an imperfect institution and it needed major reform. you've only got to look at the operation of the common agricultural policy to understand that. but, as leader of the labour party now, he has been very clear about what our position is. we are a democratic institution, our position was calling for a meaningful vote on the deal.

we did that. so his views remain the same basically? well, his views remain the same, that we are in a position where parliament should decide on theresa may's deal. if parliament can't do it, we want a general election. if we can't do that, we want to explore other options and a people's vote. that isjeremy's position and he has been very consistent in that. he came to the uk to work as a pharmacist nine years ago. but tomorrow frank attah will leave britain for good. he says for the last two years at least he s faced institutional hostility over his right to work here. there is currently a cap on the number of high—skilled migrants coming to the uk and the 42 year old believes this has caused him visa problems. frank attah watched our interview with opelo kgari last week and got in touch with us. opelo is a 28 year old woman who grew up in the uk but due to immigration issues and had an eight year legal fight to remain including being held at yarls wood

detention centre, twice. in recent years, mr attah has also spent time in a detention centre, he 5 had his passport removed and was not allowed to fly home to nigeria for his father s funeral. but tomorrow he will fly to nigeria and he doesn t plan on coming back. let's talk to frank attah and his solicitor from arndale solicitors in leeds. and the chief executive for the joint council for the welfare of immigrants, satbir singh. welcome, all of you. the uk has been your home for the last nine years and this country needed you, it needed highly trained pharmacists, so the perfect match. what has gone wrong? a couple of years ago, i responded to the country's need for pharmacists. it was at the top of your list at the time. what could go wrong? i'm here and there is a

chance for a decent career here. and the country needs me. so i invested the country needs me. so i invested the process, it takes about £25,000 coming from outside to go through the training. i went through it legally, being a resident here, and i could not go to work permit. but had been —— buts had been facilitating with me but i needed to meet my visa accented but for some reason, even at the point of my visa expiring, the home office did not agree a certificate. in desperation couple of my colleagues reached out to one of my colleagues who had a spare for someone to one of my colleagues who had a spare for someone who is coming in from alicia but was not coming because his mother was sick. it was a rushed process and he made a

mistake. and that is when it started to go wrong? a mistake was made on a form, but the way you have been treated, you feel, seriously hurt? it's a visceral and profound sense of betrayal, and unfair disposition. i spent close to £25,000 to train as a pharmacist, and the man i'm done, i have no right to work. —— then when i'm done. the home office says it's the fault of the guy who tried to help me but he was trying to help me because the institution failed me. and you ended up in a detention centre? they asked me to leave and i said, waita centre? they asked me to leave and i said, wait a minute. centre? they asked me to leave and i said, waita minute. i have centre? they asked me to leave and i said, wait a minute. i have not spent £25,000 and so many years and i have got nothing out of it and you ask me to leave the country? it was not a deliberate decision, i could not a deliberate decision, i could not do anything, i was humiliated.

what was it like the detention centre? i am 40 plus and i have never been in a police station all my life. as a young person, as man from a broken home, i stayed out of trouble. i got social mobility by getting educated. it was my first experience and it was humiliating, the most profound humiliation i have ever had in my life. i would not wish that on anyone. there were he pulled —— there were people who had been criminals. ifelt pulled —— there were people who had been criminals. i felt like a criminal, i was totally humiliated. where do you think the blame lies in how frank has been treated?” where do you think the blame lies in how frank has been treated? i think the way i would describe the immigration rule in the united kingdom is family friendly but hostile towards scales professionals. —— skilled professionals. —— skilled professionals. if you were able to get married, you would get a right

to reside in no time, or if you have a british trial. if you fall through the system like frank, that is the end of the road. there should be common sense approach to immigration in the united kingdom, it cannot continue to lose professionals like frank. his life has been turned upside down, and he has voluntarily returned to nigeria.” upside down, and he has voluntarily returned to nigeria. i can't take it any more, sorry, when britons come to my country, i don't want to use immigrant, even, that says that they snuck through the port in the night. we called them x exit, they live in swa nky we called them x exit, they live in swanky areas. i have four postgraduate degrees, should not be treated like this. there is no aspect of this story which is not awful. and there is so much very wrong here. the problem as with many

problems including the case you had la st problems including the case you had last week on your show, it shows however important we showed immigration is as a policy issue, we do not have immigration policy in this country. our only policy overriding all other concerns into to blame immigrants for every thing and be as hostile as possible. to blame immigrants for every thing and be as hostile as possiblem there is a mistake on the form, what you expect the home office to do?m any reasonable person's mind, you expect them to say, you have satisfied all of the requirement of the law and you have missed out one little thing on the form. nothing else like this would lead to you being in detention. we are the only country left in europe that does that indefinitely. i need to read this statement from the home office who say, they do not routinely comment on individual cases, adding, we continue to welcome skilled migrants to the uk who contribute to the uk economy and society. each application forfurther the uk economy and society. each application for further leave to remain must be considered on its own

merits in line with immigration rules. thank you to coming on, it's nice to meet you and good luck. thank you so much. we are back tomorrow at 10am, bbc newsroom live is next. have a nice day. good morning. today will be benign before its time is running the overnight tonight, and certainly by the end of the week, strong winds moving in. at the moment we have some hazy sunshine beaming high—level cloud masking the sunshine for a bit. thick clouds towards the south—east of england and the northern ireland and north—west scotland were showers turning wintry over higher ground. most of us are dry and bright with

hazy sunshine and maximum temperatures up to nine to 12 degrees. tonight heavy rain moves into the south—east of england and rain spreads through wales, the midlands, northern england, northern ireland and scotland, snow over higher ground and the winds are picking up on southern areas. 60 to 70 miles an hour in coastal counties into thursday morning. those winds will gradually ease away as will the rain clear away into the east. by thursday afternoon it will be dry with sunny spells. you re watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning. in his annual state of the union address,

president trump has made an appeal to the democrats to co—operate with him for the good of the american people and insisted the wall on the border with mexico would be built. we must choose between greatness or gridlock, results or resistance, vision or vengeance, incredible progress or pointless destruction. tonight, i ask you to choose greatness. mr trump also used the address to announce that he will hold a second nuclear summit with north korea's leader this month. theresa may is holding talks about brexit with the five main political parties in northern ireland, on the second