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now on bbc news, thursday in parliament. hello again, and welcome to thursday in parliament, our look at the day's highlights from the commons and the lords. coming up: could phoning home cost more after our exit from the eu? we're going to be hit by a brexit bill to use our mobile abroad. mps are getting impatient on brexit. when will we have meaningful vote two? when are we going to be deciding on this? the prime minister is currently negotiating a revised deal and she will update the house next week. 0k? is that clear? next week. and after concern about the impact of social media on children, a minister warns the tech companies. we will need to hold companies to account, that they do have a responsibility to the users. all that to come and more. but first: will it cost more to
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phone home from abroad after brexit? if you want to send a holiday snap from your sun lounger, will you be clobbered by the cost of data? since 2017, mobile phone firms have been banned from charging customers travelling within the eu extra fees to use arranged allowances of minutes, texts, and most data. but if britain leaves the eu without a deal, will roaming fees return? the culture secretary tried to play down fears as he answered an urgent question. the government intends to legislate to make sure that the requirements on mobile operators to apply a financial limit on mobile data usage while abroad is retained in uk law. the limit would be set at £16 for each monthly billing period, which is the same limit that is currently in place. we would also legislate to ensure that customers receive alerts at 80% and 100% of their data usage, so all users are able to carefully manage that data usage. this would mean ongoing clarity and certainty for consumers.
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he said mobile operators that covered 85% of consumers had said they had no plans to change their roaming policies after brexit. so, mr speaker, i hope the steps i've set out today will reassure the house that as a government, we are committed to a smooth and orderly transition as we leave the eu. and in our telecom sector, as in all sectors, we are putting plans in place for all outcomes as we leave the eu. that is the role of a responsible government and that is what we will continue to do. that didn't satisfy his labour shadow. this announcement shows once again that this particular secretary of state, in this particular government, will cave to the lobbying might of telecoms companies, rather then listen to the voice of consumers, who are set to lose out. he said that mobile phone operators have said that they have no plans to raise roaming charges.
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but he and i both know, and more importantly, voters know, what that phrase really means. this is how holiday—makers have been hit by brexit chaos. one, the value of the pound has plummeted, increasing the cost of family holiday. two, we're going to have to pay for visas to the eu. three, we're going to be hit by a brexit bill to use our mobile abroad. if the honourable member opposite doesn't want to go down in history as the minister for the tory triple whammy tourist tax, i suggest he takes a different course. all that the government's 85% stat says is that 15% of customers will definitely be charged extra when they are roaming in the eu. last week, money—saving experts said that just two out of 12 major mobile phone firms had committed
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to keeping roaming free. that's just two out of 12 of the major firms. two thirds of people said that they think it's really important to have no roaming charges when they go abroad. the government impact assessment focuses on the cost for mobile operators, but not for consumers. what assessment has he made of the additional cost to consumers that this change will make? what the secretary of state, i don't know what discussions they've had with the mobile phone operators on this issue, by getting a resolution, not just playing politics? iforgot to mention in response to the honourable gentlemen earlier, he was concerned that i had not conversations or that the department had not had conversations with the mobile network operators. that's not the case. we have done and in order to understand what their intentions are and talk to them about what they will do next. and of course, in the end, it will be a matter for them what they decide to do.
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as i have explained, it is not possible for the uk government to restrict the activity of european mobile network operators, but they have made their views clear, the government is doing all it can to smooth the path of a no deal exit, but we will all agree, mr speaker, it's better to avoid one. in relation to roaming charges, has the minister attempted to assess the cost implications if indeed some of those companies that say they have no plans at present to introduce them do indeed do so, and associated costs with things like the card if we lose that, travel insurance difficulties in terms of securing travel insurance, and the visa charges mentioned. how much is that going to cost british consumers going on holiday? jeremy wright said if there was no deal, the government would limit additional charges any way it could. across the world, many comms companies are actually monopolies in their country. despite that, roaming charges have been abolished across the world, not just limited to
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the european union, so does he not agree with me that actually, this is an opportunity for consumers in the uk to get an even better deal as we leave the eu? my honourable friend makes a fair point that by the operation of the market that does exist in this country, even if it may not everywhere else, consumers will be able to make a choice, and it may be that some mobile network operators will choose not to impose mobile roaming charges and others will choose to do so, in which case the consumer can make a judgement about how important they think this matter is. jeremy wright. now, there's been some confusion, not least among themselves over when mps will finally have another meaningful vote on theresa may's brexit deal. and there were stormy exchanges after the speaker claimed the government had attempted to remove plans to debate and vote the issue next thursday. last night, i did receive notice of the draft business for next week, and i noted with dismay that the scheduled debate on an amenable motion had been moved and, in fact,
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we were due to have debate on backbench business on thursday the 14th. i confess i was very alarmed by that. but he was heartened the decision had been reversed and there will be a brexit debate after all, although not necessarily followed by a meaningful vote. when will we have meaningful vote two? when are we going to be deciding on this? mr speaker, we are out of the eu in 50 days's time. and we do not know what basis and whether we will have a deal at all! so it is incumbent that the leader must be abundantly clear, when the meaningful vote will happen and when we have to decide. he asked some very important questions and i think i have just set out precisely what is the case.
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but i will do so again and it is unfortunate that you somewhat muddied the waters by responding to the business of the house statement. i have made it perfectly clear what was the case and i am perfectly able to do that again for myself. i will set it out again for the honourable gentlemen. the prime minister is currently... if honourable members wish to know, they might like to listen, on the other hand, if they want to just yell, then that's also fine. the honourable gentlemen asked a question, the prime minister is currently negotiating a revised deal and she will update the house next week, 0k, is that clear? next week. if necessary, i will make a further business statement, but today's statement is clear that we will meet our commitment, the prime minister's commitment to deliver a debate on an amendable motion next week. and if the honourable gentlemen listened to the business statement, he will know that that will be on thursday. the speaker denied muddying any waters, he said he'd just quoted facts. and i know the leader will be interested in this because she's just talked about the importance of treating colleagues with respect, which presumably applies to listening to people when they're speaking. so the position is extremely clear.
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i don't try to tell the right honourable lady how to do herjob and i treat her with great courtesy and will continue to do so. nobody is going to tell this speaker how to stand up for and persistently champion the rights of parliament. i have done it, i am doing it, and i'll go on doing it, and i couldn't care less who tries to obstruct me, that is the fact! that is the reality, that is the mission and responsibility of the speaker of the house of commons! the speaker, john bercow. you're watching thursday in parliament with me, david cornock. still to come — how can more women be persuaded to become firefighters? the venezuelan president nicolas maduro has faced international demands to give way tojuan guaido, who's head of the south american country's national assembly, amid mass protests. the uk and other european powers have recognised the opposition
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leader as the interim president of the country. a highway bridge across a colombia—venezuela border, which would reportedly be used to deliver humanitarian aid, has been blocked by tanker trucks on the venezulan side, according to media reports. —— venezuelan. in the commons, the foreign office minister, sir alan duncan, called on mps to keep up the pressure on the maduro regime with "one united voice". the uk has taken a lead in the eu by calling for a tougher response to the regime in the light of the failure to call new elections. now, this may include further targeted sanctions, in co—ordination with recent steps taken by the us. the uk also stands closely alongside our lima group partners, and outside venezuela, they have borne the brunt of this crisis. and earlier this week, their ministers made it clear to me — in no uncertain terms — the severity of the situation for them. so in speaking with one voice, i sincerely hope that this house proves united in expressing its condemnation of nicholas maduro and in asserting its support
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for the lima group's determination to design a better future for venezuela by working with juan guaido and the national assembly. i agree with him that the economic and humanitarian crisis in venezuela is all the more unacceptable because it has been so utterly avoidable. thank you. the united states has enforced devastating economic sanctions on the country and has constantly intervened to support opposition forces. the former un rapporteur alfred de zayas called these sanctions "crimes against humanity". she said none of this meant blind support for the maduro government, but the minister was scathing. i can only say to the honourable lady that when she sits down and reads the record of the response she's just offered the house, that she will look upon it
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with a high degree of embarrassment. she has been given the words to speak by her party, but they are words which, to a large extent, are not shared by most members of her party. i do think the response from the labour front bench was frankly astonishing, in almost seeking to absolve responsibility from the maduro regime for the responsibility they should have for this crisis in that country, that is causing misery to millions. the situation is deeply concerning, and i want to make clear that we condemn the violence and we condemn the regime that is carrying out the violence. the political and economic crisis gripping the country is spiralling into a regional humanitarian disaster, and we're at risk of allowing a lost generation of venezuelans. can i start by distancing myself from the remarks of our front bench, in relation to the blame for the crisis that venezuela is suffering and which is destroying the fabric of the country? the responsibility for that does lay with maduro and his predecessor, chavez.
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absolutely, we are all... most of us in this house are certain about that. the problems with those on the political extremes of the spectrum is that they tend to, in an ideological way, see the world as black and white, oppressor and oppressed, and that there is a real problem in seeing maduro and his regime as somehow the victim of others — america or whatever it may be — when, in fact, the truth is that the mass starvation, the 3 million refugees, is directly a cause of the chavez—maduro corrupt communism that has been pursued in that country. what can we do to influence that regime, to put pressure on that particular regime? can we get the russian administration to do more? can we get the chinese, the cubans? or are there other individuals who have a close relationship with maduro, perhaps even the leader of the labour party, who at this late stage could pick up the telephone and implore him,
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beg him, to stop this appalling approach and to leave government immediately? thejustice secretary, david gauke, has announced an £8 million investment in legal aid, but defended previous cuts to the service in england and wales. the coalition government introduced changes into who was eligible for help and a review has been looking at the impact of those changes. we have heard that the legal aid system has, for too long, focused solely on delivering publicly funded advice and representation at the expense of understanding how we can help people find early resolutions and avoid court disputes. legal aid is, and will remain, a core element of the support on offer. over the last year, the government spent £1.6 billion
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on legal aid funding. the question today is whether or not this report has been worth the wait. sadly, the answer on this side of the house has to be a clear no. it's been a wasted two years. some of the review's conclusions are to call for more reviews. does the secretary of state seriously think that the measures outlined today will undo the damage done by his predecessors? wales has seen the largest decline in legal aid providers over the past five years, with a decrease of some 29%. so how would the lord chancellor ensure that citizens in wales, and particularly those in rural areas, are not put at greater disadvantage and are able to access legal aid without having to travel prohibitive distances? well, i think for rural areas as a whole, i think this underlines the need to ensure that we're prepared to look at technology, we're prepared to look at innovation so that access to justice as a consequence of that is greater. the ability to point people in the right direction. there is a real opportunity here, and it is important that we embrace that opportunity, and i do believe that innovation fund of up to £5 million will encourage investment
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in this area so that we can find new and better ways of ensuring that wherever you are in the united kingdom, you are able to access justice. david gauke. mps have called on ministers to change the law to protect young people by imposing a duty of care on social media companies. calls to protect children while they're online have increased dramatically since the father of 14—year—old molly russell linked her decision to take her own life to exposure to harmful material on social media. the uk's chief medical officers have also urged parents to control access to devices and called for a code of conduct for social media firms, while the government has warned it may act to regulate tech companies. a former minister said more needed to be done to protect the young from harm.
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but, speaking during a debate on a report produced by the committee he now chairs, norman lamb said social media could be a positive force. but at its worst, social media has been linked to cyber bullying, grooming, sexting, the promotion of harmful information and behaviours. these risks are not new, and they are not caused by social media. we're clear throughout our report that social media can act both to amplify and also facilitate these risks. the report calls for media companies to have a duty of care, and we are seriously considering all regulatory options as part of the online harms white paper. and the government, in the meantime, is very clear that we will need to hold companies to account, that they do have a responsibility to their users, and we will be setting out plans for both legislative and non—legislative measures in our online harms white paper. and instagram has told bbc news that the company will "remove
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all graphic images of self harm" from the platform. later, during a debate on anti social behaviour, a labour mp said four out of ten people now thought that it was a problem in their area. in 2015, just one in four people were worried. diana johnson said it was important for parliament to debate "bread and butter issues" at a time when it appeared to be squeezed by brexit. and she repeated a story the former labour cabinet minister, frank dobson, used to tell. he used to tell it about lina jager, who was campaigning as a labour candidate in the 1953 by—election. she canvassed a woman in a block of flats in camden town. lina launched, at that time, into the great left—wing issue of the day, which was about german rearmament and the threat that it posed to international peace and security. and when lina paused for breath, the constituent asked, "did you come up in the lift?" "yes, dear", replied lina. "stinks of piss, doesn't it?"
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said the woman. "yes, dear," said lina. "can't you stop them pissing in the lift?", asked the woman. "i don't think i can," said lina. "well," said the woman, "if you can't stop them pissing in our lift, how can you expect me to believe that you can stop the germans rearming?" so in 2019, if we can't get all our agencies working together to stop youths throwing stones at buses in orchard park or tackle aggressive begging in newland avenue, how will voters believe that we can sort out the big challenge facing us around brexit? diana johnson. over in the lords, peers wanted reassurance that food coming into the uk from outside the eu would still be safe to eat after brexit. a minister said that although there'd be no extra controls on food originating
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from the eu, high—risk food and feed consignments that arrive here via the eu but originate outside it will be subject to controls. he will know that the department for transport have agreed a number of new freight routes from the eu to smaller uk ports as part of the contingency planning. but meanwhile, the government seem to be relying on existing staff in existing ports to carry out the food inspections, despite the fact that they won't have access to the eu quality assurance documentation that they have had in the past. so is the minister not concerned that as this becomes known, some unscrupulous eu and third country food importers will exploit these new routes that will now exist, and off—load their second rate or even contaminated food when they know that they are unlikely to be checked ? so what guarantees can he give to uk consumers that food imports will continue to be safe to eat in the event of no—deal? my lords, clearly food safety... and we've been working very closely with the food standards agency on all these matters.
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and as i say, there has been very careful consideration with apha, with the food standards agency, hmrc, precisely to ascertain whether the ports and port health authorities have got the appropriate facilities to accommodate what would be, we think, 6,000 additional checks required because of those. i understand that ministers have taken a decision to instruct those operating at the border to prioritise flow and through ports over all other considerations for all goods. could the noble lord, the minister, tell us what the risk assessment that has been in terms of public safety, and what assessment they have made of what the consequences of that decision and those recommendations to those
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operating at the border will be? my lords, i don't identify with that. bio—security is absolutely paramount, and the issue of human health. that is why precisely, for instance, the food standards agency were very clear about there being no need on day one for additional controls to goods coming in from the eu, precisely because the same eu standards are required and will continue. the point about what we are doing and the additional checks that will be undertaken is precisely to ensure that our food is safe, and that is what i have said. the port health authorities have said that they have adequate facilities to enable that to happen. now, is enough being done to encourage women to take up firefighting as a career? a women and equalities minister told mps it was unacceptable that what she called "outdated practises" in some fire stations meant a lack of facilities for women firefighters.
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and she called for more role models to ensure children don't grow up assuming firefighters are male. we all value enormously the work of women and men deployed by fire and rescue authorities who work to protect their communities. it is unacceptable that outdated practises exist, where shower facilities are unavailable to female firefighters, and the minister for policing and the fire service has been clear that we look to the national fire chiefs council and local fire and rescue service leaders to address these concerns. to quote former firefighter lucy massoud, "i remember my first fire station. there's a tiny cramped dorm with three beds, meant for one. there was a massive dorm for the guys and we were stuffed in like sardines." at other stations, female firefighters had to sleep on the floor.
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there was a solution proposed of having gender— neutral dorms and toilets and washing facilities, which is overwhelmingly opposed and could cause women to leave the service. would the minister agree to demand ordinance across the country's fire stations relating to facilities for female firefighters? she will know that 1a fire services have recently been reviewed by her majesty's inspectorate. and of the 1a, two were found to not have adequate shower facilities for female firefighters — hampshire and the isle of wight. i name them, and i very much expect they will be improving their services. we know that there are issues as well with sleeping accommodations. as well as working with the home office to ensure there's better facilities, can the minister say what steps she's taking to encourage more women to take up a career in firefighting? i'm so grateful to the honourable lady for raising this. women are just as capable as men in terms of firefighting. i hope that we, at some point, see a revised version of fireman sam because i think we know from social media campaigns that children grow
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up expecting firefighters to be male, which then cuts off perhaps their career opportunities or the expectations as they go through school and training. the message from this government is very clear. we absolutely welcome female firefighters, and we will work with women in the fire service to ensure that we get more women helping to protect our communities. victoria atkins. and that's it for thursday in parliament. i do hope you canjoin me on friday at 11pm for the week in parliament. i'll be trying to find out if the government can meet its brexit deadline. thank you for watching. bye for now. hello there. well, were ending this week on a
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very unsettled night, something we haven't seen quite awhile, deep areas of low pressure. we had won on wednesday— thursday and this one on friday, today to saturday is looking particularly vicious. a very wild day friday with plenty rain this is the culprit, this storm named store erik by met eireann, into northern and western parts of the uk, act weatherfront into northern and western parts of the uk, act weather front pushing into northern and western parts of the uk, act weatherfront pushing in heavy rains, friday morning after extremely wet across many western areas, an atrocious morning commute and the wind will be a feature, picking up through the day, certainly in through the morning through to the first part of the afternoon, looking very windy. 60—17 explosion. it's potentially going to be some disruption. a squally band of rain reaching central and eastern areas. could see a bit of wintry
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nurse over the higher ground. temperatures will be quite high. a type and 12 degrees but with the wind and rain, it might not feel quite a smile. the storm could be moving slowly eastwards. a swathe of strong winds through northern ireland in england and southern scotla nd ireland in england and southern scotland during the course of friday night into saturday morning service could also cause some issues, gusts in excess of 70 miles per hour. another blustery down on saturday, bright for many. heavy rain through the northern half of scotland. perhaps some localised flooding. further rain pushing into the south—west later on today. through today and into saturday, some disruption from the very strong winds. heavy rain in places. you could see disruption like a mention. this saturday night and sunday, someone blustery weather across the southern portions of england. it
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should eventually move away, slowly through the morning. winds turn the north—west. a cooler direction, and a band of shower a moving across scotla nd a band of shower a moving across scotland and northern ireland and england. those temperatures will be dropping back into single figures across the board. a very warm welcome to bbc news — broadcasting to our viewers in north america and around the globe. my name's mike embley. our top stories: instagram says it's removing all graphic images of self—harm, after an outcry over the suicide of a british teenager. 50 days to go. theresa may meets the leaders of the european union in brussels, but there's no breakthrough on brexit. jeff bezos, owner of amazon and the washington post, says the parent company of the national enquirer tried to blackmail him with intimate photos. the body recovered from the wreckage of the plane that went down in the sea between france and britain is identified as footballer emiliano sala.
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