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tv   Brexit  BBC News  February 8, 2019 3:30am-4:01am GMT

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you are up—to—date on the headlines. now on bbc news — panorama. back in 2016 britain began going round in circles. we are taking back control. the referendum result was clear enough. the british people have spoken and the answer is we are out. if only it were that simple. 53 days until we leave and we are no clearer how it will happen. the ayes to the right, 202, the noes to the left, 432. the government and opposition promised to deliver brexit, so far without conspicuous success. it is clear the house does not support this deal, but tonight's vote tells us nothing about what it does support. it is embarrassing to be part of a system which is
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so frankly messed up. i have been away from westminster hearing what voters make of it all. are you happy with no deal? yes, i am happy with no deal. the real problem has to be addressed and it is not the eu. i have been shadowing backbenchers and eavesdropping on parliament plotters. neither side is talking about the national interest. we have to make decisions, that is what we have to do. everyone is calling for compromise without wanting to compromise themselves. good evening, it is question time coming up and we are taking your calls raised on the programme. there will be a fair bit of brexit i would have thought.
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three weeks ago, britain sank deeper into limbo when mps voted down the government's brexit deal. parliament cannot do anything. we need to leave on the 29th of march. they are in headless chicken mode, how one earth do they think they will get any sort of consensus out of this? the ayes to the right, 202. the noes... order! there were cries for a new plan, any plan, to get us through. i have got to the point where i am past caring what the deal is that we have and i will vote for it to get a smooth exit. the government looked to have lost control of the brexit process. there can be no doubt that this is indeed a zombie government. we had that same arrogance, unwillingness to listen, which has brought us to this position. mps were too busy squabbling amongst themselves for anything but chaos to reign.
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the house must behave with decorum. while their leaders trade political punches, their backbenchers have to go back to their constituencies and explain to the baffled and angry people who voted them in what on earth is going on. why haven't politicians got it sorted? i would not want to be in their shoes. east yorkshire in january, it is chilly outside, but somewhat heated on the brexit front. the tory mp is a committed leaver. welcome. unlike many brexiteers andrew percy did vote for theresa may's deal. is this how mps dress at the weekend? i like your style. i copied you. like all mps he is having to explain his stance to his constituents.
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his challenge is to convince the hard—core relievers amongst them that theresa may's deal is a proper brexit. you are an absolute union jack underpants type of leader. what are you more fearful of, remain or no deal? when people talk of no deal it is not the outcome i want because i think we should leave on a negotiated basis. but the option that is absolutely unacceptable to me and my constituents is remain because that is not what we voted for. but he is no wiser than the rest of us as to who will get us out of this hole. i do not think it is clear at the moment who is in charge. there are ministers saying things which are diametrically opposed to one another and lots of them, leavers and remainers, are behaving like children at the moment. it is embarrassing to be in a system at the moment that is so messed up. a messed up system means a lack of clarity and that is the one thing
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businesses cannot bear, uncertainty. not least farmers, who urgently want it all sorted. you do not get them pregnant! no, the bull does that! ian backhouse is the latest in a long line of farmers in his family. he voted to leave the eu. you could argue that a lot of farmers voted for brexit and voting for brexit was a bit like a turkey voting for christmas because there is no guarantee that post brexit we will replace the subsidy that we receive. but how much do you like the european union even though you might be one of the turkeys voting for christmas? it is not a dislike of the european union
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it is what opportunities we can get outside of the european union when we get control back for ourselves. ian wants to leave with the deal agreed as soon as possible. his real beef is with those who he believes will not let go of the dream of remaining. you are a mild mannered farmer, but who do you get angry with? westminster. all politicians? all of them. we cannot allow these individual, politicised groups to wreck the country. the country made a decision and the reason we are where we are today is because every step of the way people who were not happy with the decision try to frustrate the process. 66% voted to leave here. we have corralled a few locals
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together to hear what they make of parliament's handling of brexit. a show of hands, who voted to leave? and who would vote for no deal? literally you are proper, rock—hard northerners, you lot. who do you blame for this not working? for this situation mostly the blame lies with the conservative traitors who do not want to abide by the results. i want out of the customs union, i do not want to be ruled by the ec]. why is somebody else telling us we cannot make deals? who are these people? i did not vote for them. may i have a word with you? who is in charge here?
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parliament, the government? i would say the eu is in a position of power here. there are 27 of them. exactly. nobody is in charge, you have got very hard lines on either side. the hardest of those lines right now are around the so—called irish backstop. that is the indefinite, legal guarantee that there should be no hard border between northern ireland and the republic. brexiteers fear the backstop could effectively keep us in a customs union with the eu for ever. they will not sign up to a deal unless it is changed. and if nothing is agreed by the 29th of march, we will leave without a deal. i am heading down to the bottom right—hand corner of the country and the other side of the brexit fault line. it is freezing.
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in 2017, the voters of canterbury and whitstable elected their first ever labour mp. have you seen the prime minister? no. many credit the fact that their mp stood as a proud remainer. how many are on your patch? round about 85,000. and what was it like in the referendum? i think in the constituency it is about 56 remain. rosie takes me to a firm that makes spare parts for boats, barton marine. they are convinced even with a deal that brexit will damage their business. this is our piece park store. all the parts we manufacture, and they work their way this way, joyce takes them, we put them
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in boxes and we are able to prioritise individual orders. all the things here, you make it all and you sell it to people around the world? how much of it goes to elsewhere in europe? 65% of our production goes to europe. from our point of view leaving europe is not about losing an export market, it is about losing a home market, sending things to germany, france and greece, it is like sending things around the uk. this is a unique business in my part of the world and i cannot be part of a deal that will put her out of business and move this business away. and i do not believe the boss is bluffing when she says barton marine may have to up sticks if we leave without a deal. i think the disgraceful part of this whole brexit scenario is in order for barton to survive we will have
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to incorporate in europe and set up a facility in europe. there is no other way for us to do it. it is disgraceful, but i have to take wealth and jobs and move them abroad instead of keeping them here in kent and in the uk. that is the shame of it. i rounded off my day in rosie's constituency in a pub in canterbury with some of the 55% around here who voted to remain. welcome to this meeting of the remainer revolutionary front in kent! what are you all about? give us a general flavour. we all want to remain in the eu and we have the best deal as part of the eu as we are now and that is what we are fighting for.
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our future globally has got to be about working together, about solidarity with other people over all the issues which we face. they will not be resolved by people looking inwards and saying make britain great again, echoing the trump line on this. you lot all want a referendum presumably? or you want to remain without a referendum ? i do not want a referendum. how will you remain if you do not have another referendum ? if they vote twice to leave, we will accept it, but it is a different clientele. more students are on the books, a lot of people who voted to leave have died. two and half years have gone by. the second referendum lot have rallied noisily under the banner of a people's vote. but it is not clear if the labour leaderjeremy corbyn is going to back the idea. labour's official policy is to push for a different brexit deal.
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no deal must be taken off the table, a permanent customs union must be secured, and people's rights and protections must be guaranteed so they do not fall behind. but rosie is under pressure from her constituents to go further. 0verwhelmingly i get stop brexit e—mails, or let's stay in, let's have a people's vote. the bang of the drum you have banged a fair bit, but you cannot bang it back now because of your party's position? no, we are moving and i hope towards a people's vote, but we are keeping the option on the table. for people's vote, tell me how it can end well if it ends up remain? there will be so many people who will feel shafted for want of a more parliamentary word. i get that argument,
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but people are angry, and that is because of some of the things that happen in this country, that is the fault of the government and politicians, like austerity. they are not really angry at the eu, i think. the people's vote campaign is led by a cross—party group of remainers. the thing that strikes me in all of this is that neither side, labour or conservative, is talking about the national interest. i couldn't believe it this morning, reunification of the tory party. for the conservatives, it is all about keeping the party together, not doing the right thing for the country. for the labour side, it is all about jeremy corbyn being called out for not supporting a people's vote. in all of this, he is
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off the hook again. these tory and labour rebels are annoyed thatjeremy corbyn has not declared his hand on a second referendum. they have to make decisions. absolutely. that is what we are elected to do, and too many people want to obfuscate and avoid making decisions, which is totally outrageous! 0utside parliament, protesters of all stripes are in full voice. it is no good letting your bannerflop! a flaccid banner will not convince anybody! if it was a remain banner, i would help you too. inside, in nooks and crannies and tiny officers, some mps are setting aside party differences in an effort to thrash out solutions to the brexit gridlock. i am in a house of commons office waiting to meet a couple of mps, one from each party, both remainers, and they are pushing like mad for this common market 2.0,
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so—called, or norway plus plus, if you want to call it that, these super soft marshmallow brexit, if you like. their compromise solution to take britain out of the eu would keep us in a close economic relationship with europe. how did this heart—warming relationship begin? who was making eyes at who?! rob is the chair of the committee that i sit on, the education committee... you were making eyes there, then! metaphorically! i think my husband and rob's wife, there was a period over christmas where we spoke to each other more than our husbands and wives. actually, she persuaded me, outside the corridor after a committee, to do this pamphlet, it was literally like a eureka moment for me, i thought, why aren't we doing this? why on earth was this not
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plan a, let alone plan b? but it doesn't solve the freedom of movement of people, does it, so what are you going to do about that? you are never going to get everything in any deal, but i think this squares the circle. in another office, the snp are hard at it, devising a plan to delay brexit and avoid no—deal. the contents of the labour amendment is not ideal. it is not carried in the snp amendment, we need to make sure our people are in the right place at the right time. all 35 are on the estate. everybody accounted for. it helps that we have got quite a clear position, you know, scotland voted to remain, my constituency voted overwhelmingly to remain, pretty much every scottish counting area voted to remain, so we are in a slightly different area in being very clear what we need to do. we know that we want
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to remain in the eu, and we want to try to salvage as much of a relationship with the rest of europe. but what of the conservatives? can they unite behind a deal? a lot depends on this man and his group of hardcore brexiteers known as the european research group, or erg. i would like the prime minister to deliver — and you may think that is naive, but i will cling to that until it is proved to be forlorn. the erg want theresa may to go back to the eu and demand the irish backstop be renegotiated. if she doesn't get anywhere with that, they are prepared to leave without a deal. 0ur goole mp is in a group of people trying to save the pm's deal. this idea that we can reach out across party lines to solve this is going nowhere, so if you think you are going to get
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more than a dozen onside, it ain't happening, so the only way you solve this is within the conservative party. they are discussing what can be done with the backstop to win the rees—mogg types around. if parliament is able to get something around which we can agree, it may be the current deal plus some significant and binding condition, even though we might pass that in the knowledge that brussels would reject it, at least it passes the focus of attention back, because in the end this is about politics. another big night in the house of commons. i have seen a lot of backbench groups devising their own brexit plans. tonight, mps are getting a chance to vote on some of them. division, clear the lobby! most fail. but, in a surprise move, the pm herself has supported a backbench proposal to try to renegotiate the backstop.
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order! brussels won't like it, but it could keep the conservatives together and may's deal alive. the ayes to the right, 317. the noes to the left, 301. it passes. it is quite a big moment, potentially big moment, i mean, you know, these things can always unwind. point of order, the prime minister. if she can sort out this backstop issue, either through renegotiating that some alternative arrangements, we might get the deal through, but the important thing is the house has shown there is a majority for something to deliver brexit tonight, and that is the key. i am less embarrassed by the house of commons tonight than i was for the last month or two. almost immediately, the eu rather took the shine off things, restating its position that it won't budge on the backstop. a couple of days after the vote,
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i am in fareham in hampshire to meet their brexiteer mp, suella braverman. i am cautiously optimistic about where we are in the process. she has invited me to a meeting with her constituents. 55% of them voted to leave. who feels that they knew what they were voting for? when we voted in the 19705, we voted tojoin the common market — we did not vote for political union. applause my clear preference is for a good deal to be struck with the eu. if she doesn't come with that, i believe there is another way, i managed no—deal or a stripped down withdrawal agreement. hard brexiteers around here believe businesses would cope with a no—deal
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brexit and quickly bounce back from any disruption. most business leaders and economists disagree. one of those at the meeting was a local factory owner, tony barnett. his company makes parts for aircraft engines and submarines. he exports a lot, mostly to america, africa and the middle east. there is such a thing as sovereignty, and the sovereignty question, which is why i voted to leave, is a big issue. i take your point on sovereignty, but business—wise, it is not going to be a benefit to you. if anything, you might lose something from it, is that a price worth paying? yes. we can paddle our own canoe, we have had 900 years of paddling our own canoe, and we can do it again. but there will be bumps in the road.
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fareham's mp, suella braverman, and her erg colleagues, are pushing the pm hard to replace the backstop. but what makes her think the eu will now completely change tack? it seems to me that who is actually in charge is is the eu, they decide what they will let us have in terms of brexit, that is the reality, we are beholden to them, that is the awful truth, isn't it? i disagree. they are saying no, that is that, they are bigger, there are 27 of them, in a fight i wouldn't take on 27 people. that is such a defeatist viewpoint. it is realistic. where is the drive and ambition for our nation? i am not daft, i cannot fight the whole lot, perhaps you can. we are a valued partner, not some fledgling democracy with a fragile economy on the brink of collapse. what you are talking
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about is why we mustn't take no—deal off the table. as long as we can walk away from these negotiations and say no thanks, we are off, and we don't need your deal and we will thrive without your rubbish deal, the better. one thing i keep hearing going around the country on phone—ins and everything is that they want politicians to get on with it, to drop their party differences, to break their red lines and just compromise. you are going to compromise somewhere, aren't you? i believe i have compromised. there are many aspects of this deal that i have accepted, but there comes a point when compromise becomes total surrender, and the terms of the final deal, in particular the backstop, represented that for me. over the past two weeks, i've met mps willing to compromise, but compromise doesn't really thrive in our party political system. i've invited two of my new mp friends around for a brexit themed lunch.
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two backbenchers struggling to reconcile their own views, their constituents' views, and their party's policies. good afternoon, thank you very much! good morning, come on in. i have got a tory here, i am afraid, are you all right with that? he is a conservative! i have seen you across the chamber, but we have not spoken! take your seat, i know your time is busy. do we have to sit on the left or the right? this is my red line here. see what we've done there, it is a bit orange. it looks a bit sinister, that layout, how many red lines have you got? i would like a different set of six red lines! they are wobbly, they can be all over the shop! so what we have got here, irish stew. look at that! with or without backstop? surely they understand many of us have had it with mp5 bickering. what you think about the stock
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of politicians now? has it fallen? not your good selves, but generally? i understand if it has, because we are supposed to be guiding people through this. it is the blind leading the blind, because we do not know where this is going. do you know the funny thing about this is, if you think about it as an issue, it is an issue that has probably meant more constituents engaging with their politicians than on any other issue. when i put stuff on facebook, i am really surprised, but happily surprised, at the number of people who say, even though i am sick of it, i was glued to the tv today in the debate. it is like driving past a car accident, you can't help watching. maybe it is like that! just eat. this is another gag. this is eton mess. with dessert, i am dishing
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up some new research. we have commissioned an opinion poll asking people about the trust they have in mps when it comes to brexit. 0k, what percentage figure do you think said they have little or no trust at all in their mps? i think probably two thirds have no faith. that sounds realistic. 85% of people. interestingly, asks the same question about the eu, little or no trust, only 75%, so people are more distrustful of mps than the eu. so are we being told to leave, then? that is really upsetting. mps surely only have themselves to blame for this loss of trust. after letting the public make the big decision on europe, most of them promised to deliver
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brexit, and now they can't agree between themselves how to do so. the question is, are they disagreeing because what they believe is in the national interest, or are they disagreeing because what they believe is in their party's interest, and if it is the latter, i wonder whether they will ever get the public‘s trust back. whatever happens, we have years of trade negotiations ahead of us, and unless mps can bring themselves to present a united front soon, this kind of disarray will be with us or many moons to come. a very welcome to bbc news — broadcasting to our viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is mike embley. our top stories: instagram says it's removing all graphic images of self—harm — after an outcry over the suicide of a british teenager. 50 days to go. theresa may meets the leaders of the european union in brussels, but there's no breakthrough on brexit. jeff bezos, owner of amazon and the washington post,
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