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hello it's monday, it's 10:00, i'm joanna gosling. lawyers forjack shepherd, the man convicted of the manslaughter of charlotte brown in a speedboat on the thames, will decide within a week whether to agree to his extradition to the uk. in an exclusive interview, his georgian lawyer, says if they can be sure he will be safe in a british prison, they may now allow him to return. we will make decisions that's right, if there is a reason to fight extradition, we will fight. but if there is a reason to support his extradition, we will. shepherd's lawyer also told us he regrets his decision to flee the country. you know, he regrets his decision and considers this was a mistake. this was a mistake. this was a decision caused by fear. we will bring you that full interview in a few minutes. also today, it was, literally ‘the favourite‘ to bag a host of baftas, and the film the favourite did just that at last night's awards. it won seven categories, including best actress for 0livia colman.
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this is for all three of us. it's got my name on it, but we can scratch in some other names. thank you so much. cheering and applause. we'll bring you all highlights from last night. and, being a property guardian is supposed to be a cheap way to live in an expensive area, but an investigation has found that some councils are raking in millions and some tenants are living in properties which aren't meant to be lived in, with limited water supply and not properfire exits. we'll bring you that story at 10.30. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11:00 this morning. do you think gcses should be scrapped 7 a little later on the programme we will be talking to the conservative mp who thinks so — he thinks school children should take a single exam, a so—called baccalaureate, at 18 instead. what do you think? let me know. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live.
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here's carrie gracie with a summary of the days news. good morning. the prime minister has said she is willing to hold further talks with jeremy corbyn said she is willing to hold further talks withjeremy corbyn about said she is willing to hold further talks with jeremy corbyn about the five labour demands for supporting a brexit deal. in a letter to the labour leader, theresa may appears to have rejected one of his key proposals, for the uk to be in a customs union. the letter concludes with mrs may saying she looks forward to the two parties meeting as soon as possible. meanwhile, borisjohnson has said some of the prime minister's suggestions on resolving the backstop issue are sensible but would need to be examined closely. i think i would wa nt to examined closely. i think i would want to look carefully at what was being proposed and it would have to give the united kingdom are uk sized exit from the backstop. we would have to be able to get out by a certain time and you would have to
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get out of our own violation. 0therwise, get out of our own violation. otherwise, you are locked in arrangements that greatly suit the eu, that enabled them effectively, to run our trade policy. boris johnson. the shadow health secretary is meeting with drug companies to accept and nhs deal to supply a cystic fibrosis truck. 0rkambi can extend the life of people with cystic fibrosis. the nhs has offered a deal worth £500 million overfive yea rs a deal worth £500 million overfive years but the company which makes the drug rejected the offer. lawyers for the man convicted of killing 24—year—old charlotte brown when his speedboat crashed on the thames, say he may not fight his extradition to the uk. jack shepherd
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was found guilty of manslaughter in his absence after going on the run to georgia. his legal representatives, who previously said they plan to fight his extradition, say they will make a decision within ten days. jack shepherd, currently in prison in georgia, wants to have an honest conversation, as he puts it to explain what happened. up to 86,000 women aged between 35 and 49 should receive annual mammograms. a trial by the charity breast cancer now sake detecting a small tuna early. british film, the favourite took home seven awards at the baftas last night with 0livia coleman receiving best actress award for her portrayal as queen anne. the mexican film, roma picked up four awards, including best film. it is the first timea
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including best film. it is the first time a netflix production has won a ba fta. time a netflix production has won a bafta. those are the top stories, let's go back tojoanna. thank you so much, we'll be talking about the ba ftas so much, we'll be talking about the baftas and social media influences. the children's commissioner for england says sites should be shut down if they don't tackle dangerous selling. zara mcdermott, says that since she appeared on itv‘s love island she's been offered money to advertise gambling sites and turns down the majority of offers. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. the lawyer for fugitive jack shepherd, who was convicted of killing 24—year—old charlotte brown when the speedboat they were in crashed on the thames, has told this programme he may now not contest his
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extradition to the uk. his legal team, who have previously said they planned to fight his extradition, say they will make a decision within ten days. lawyer mariam kublashvili says shepherd, who is currently in prison in georgia, shepherd, who is currently conversation with charlotte's family to explain what happened. shepherd was sentenced to six years for the manslaughter of charlotte in his absence. he was on the run for ten months. speaking on this programme last month charlotte's father made a direct appeal to shepherd to turn himself in. i say to jack shepherd, you have caused ourfamily i say to jack shepherd, you have caused our family a i say to jack shepherd, you have caused ourfamily a lot i say to jack shepherd, you have caused our family a lot of harm and devastation. really, you need to look at what you've done and come back and atone for the damage you have done. you need to come back and serve your sentence. not only
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because it is the right thing to do but you will need to do that so you can eventually move on yourself. to add to that, if you had a shred of humanity, you would come back and hand yourself in and serve your sentence. he turned himself into the authorities in georgia. his lawyer says he is occupying himself in prison by making a bird table. mariam kublashvili said she fled his trial because of his mental state and regrets leaving the uk. a high—profile lawyer in georgia, mariam kublashvili has denied reports she is being paid thousands of pounds in legal aid. victoria spoke to her via video link from tbilisi. first i want to say, his situation is complex. is that one of the arguments you
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will be using to try and stopjack shepherd returning to britain, you say he has acute depression? what are the other arguments you will use to try to stop him from being extradited? from what you have told us, you believe there are reasons why jack shepherd has behaved in the way he has. yet, you may support his
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extradition back to britain, is that correct? does jack shepherd know that you, as his lawyer, might support him being extradited to the uk? 0k, he is a criminal... sorry to interrupt, in the eyes of the british law, he is a criminal. he was convicted in his absence of manslaughter through gross negligence of killing charlotte brown and was sentenced to six years in jail. brown and was sentenced to six years injail. he is a criminal. why did he not stay for the duration of his trial and say this? why did he choose georgia? cani
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can i ask, are you being paid for by the british legal aid system? are you being paid for by british taxpayers? how much is it? how is that money come, sorry to interrupt... astronomically less, i
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understand. has that money come from the british legal aid system from british taxpayers? where has it come from? so he has paid for you? is it true that jack shepherd is seeking georgian citizenship so that he doesn't have to come back to the uk? does he have a message for the
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family of charlotte brown? what are the conditions like in the georgian prison where jack shepherd is being detained? a bird table? we've contacted charlotte's family for a response. they said: over 10,000 people in the uk live with the life—limiting condition cystic fibrosis. but, as we revealed last week, a row has been rumbling over access to a drug which could be effective in nearly half these cases. the drug is called 0rkambi — it's available to patients in countries like ireland and italy, but here, the nhs says it can't afford it. they've been trying to strike a deal with the pharmaceutical company
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vertex who makes the drug. it has offered £500 million but vertex has said no. today the opposition labour party is wading in, with the shadow health secretary john ashworth meeting vertex representatives in the house of commons. last week, i spoke to eight—year—old luis walker, who has cystic fibrosis and whose life could be extended by this drug. i asked him what it feels like living with this condition. it's really sad and it's really annoying to because... i wish i could just well, have a normal life without having to do so much physio and tablets. it must take a lot of your time and when you are with your friends, do they know what you have to do, that they don't have to do? yes. does it mean you cannot do some
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of the things they do? yes. in what way, what things can't you do? i can't play in mud and i can't normally play in the sand. jon ashworth, the shadow health secretary, is with me now. you have just told you havejust told me you have just told me you you havejust told me you have you have just told me you have an update? the reason i am looking at my phone, i am not being rude, update? the reason i am looking at my phone, iam not being rude, they have just cancelled the meeting. their public affairs team say it is unfair that i their public affairs team say it is unfairthat i am their public affairs team say it is unfair that i am saying i am having a meeting with them to demand that they get this, make this job available to the nhs. just had a text m essa g e available to the nhs. just had a text message now saying they have cancelled. i just think that is typical of their behaviour, isn't it? you were due to meet them at 1pm? they asked for a meeting with
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me last week, which i was keen to make, because i think it is desperately unfair when we have children desperately in need of this drug, like we havejust children desperately in need of this drug, like we have just seen. children desperately in need of this drug, like we havejust seen. this isa drug drug, like we havejust seen. this is a drug which helps people live with this appalling disease. i think the fact they are rejecting a £500 million offerfrom the nhs, one of the biggest offers in the history of the biggest offers in the history of the nhs. they wanted to meet me, i thought i was going to have that meeting, i did not realise they want at this meeting to be kept confidential, they should have made that clear when they asked for the meeting. i don't think it is unreasonable for somebody who wants to be the health secretary to be clear about what demands i was going to put on them, given the huge public interest in this matter. they obviously don't like that, no doubt they are watching me now, they have cancelled this. why don't you say
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something directly to the camera? why have you cancelled this meeting, we we re why have you cancelled this meeting, we were due to meet at 1pm and there is huge interest in this, it affects thousands of lives. many children are suffering from this. if you think i have been unfair you can tell me i have been unfair. but i wa nt to tell me i have been unfair. but i want to say to you, you have got to get a deal. this is about children's lives. if you don't do this, take up the nhs‘s very generous offer, there are people who say they should intervene using patents, and i presume you don't want to go down that road. let's get this meeting back on track. what vertex say, they spend a lot of money on developing drugs, and it is important they recoup the money they spend on
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developing drugs like this. in the end, if they cannot recoup the money, these drugs wouldn't be developed. i can understand that and pharmaceutical companies put huge investment into the development of drugs and therapies. we want pharmaceutical companies to continue to invest. pharmaceutical companies are put huge numbers ofjobs and prosperity in this country, they contribute to economic growth. but they also get research and development support, they take advantage of our university and science base in this country. they do have a public responsibility to act, i believe, in the interests of the public. not just act, i believe, in the interests of the public. notjust reduce this to a matter of profiteering. that is what i am saying to this particular
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company, get back to the negotiating table and engage with the nhs and nice. do you think the price offered by the nhs, £500 million overfive yea rs by the nhs, £500 million overfive years is negotiable, can it be increased or come to some sort of settlement? that is what the nhs have offered and i think it is reasonable. it is up to the nhs and the nhs leadership to negotiate these things. it is a hugely generous offer. vertex don't need to wait for the parliamentary select committee, they can get on with it 110w. committee, they can get on with it now. and also you mentioned that patent, that can be overridden in the public interest, but it doesn't happen often? it doesn't happen often, but we have tory mps talking about this. it isn't an
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interventionist, left—wingers making this argument, tory mps are making this argument, tory mps are making this argument. vertex have to think seriously about how they are responding. quick question on brexit before we let you go, is the labour party going to split?|j before we let you go, is the labour party going to split? i hope not. there is talk in the newspapers about some colleagues leaving the labour party. when it happened in the 1980s, they went off to form ds mp, it didn't, it helped sustain the tories in power and that is the last thing i want. your party seems to help facilitate brexit? the british people voted for brexit, i wanted to remain but the british people voted for brexit in the referendum and the responsibility and priority is to get the best deal so we can continue to trade, make sure the economy
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isn't damage which is why we want a permanent customs arrangement. john ashworth, thank you. do you want to quickly check your phone to see if they have responded ? quickly check your phone to see if they have responded? i bet they haven't, their public relations people will be screaming at the cameras, calling me also lots of names, but that is politics. keep us updated. let me bring you a statement from vertex. no message? no. let us know your thoughts and experiences. let's talk about last night's baftas, where period drama the favourite grabbed seven awards including best actress for 0livia colman. the netflix production, roma, won four, including best film and best director. we can speak now to our
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entertainment correspondent lizo mzimba, who was there on the red carpet last night. it isa it is a historical drama comedy set in the court of queen anne in the early 18th century. it features 0livia coleman's queen anne and the people around her fighting for favour in her court. she is quite an eccentric moniker and she has two particular characters played by emma stone and rachel vice, competing against each other to have the clean‘s ear. it has dramatic moments but a lot of absurd, comedy moments. it has found a niche with both audiences, critics and award ceremonies. has been one of the outstanding films of the last 12 months. it took seven awards, having
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had 12 nominations? outstanding best film, best make—up and hair, best production and design, best supporting actress and best actress for 0livia coleman. she gave a lovely speech last night. in a way she is the lead but it is three equal leads of all those characters, they have almost equal parts in the movie and olivia coleman paid tribute to her co—stars when she spoke at the baftas last night. sorry, i swear i'm going to go in a minute. this is for, not for the lead, but a lead and as far as i am concerned, all three of us are the same and should be the lead and it's weird that we can't do that. but this is for all three of us, it's got my name on it, but we can scratch in some other names. thank you so much. cheering and applause. everyone loves 0livia coleman. they
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also loved roma ? everyone loves 0livia coleman. they also loved roma? the second most awarded film? it won best director and best film as well. it was a slight surprise because the evening was going on assuming the favourite was going on assuming the favourite was going on assuming the favourite was going to run away with it but then romo was announced as the winner. quite an unusual film then romo was announced as the winner. quite an unusualfilm it then romo was announced as the winner. quite an unusual film it is two hours and a quarter long, mexican, black and white, spanish language, subtitled movie. not the kind of thing cinemagoers will think thatis kind of thing cinemagoers will think that is the kind of film for me. but it isa that is the kind of film for me. but it is a wonderful piece of work based slightly on the director, writer and producer, who did so much on this movie, on his childhood in mexico city in the 1970s. more unusually, it is a netflix
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production, this is the first time the streaming service has had a best picture winner at this particular ceremony and they will be hoping for more success from that going on. i wonderful piece of work and quite a long time since the academy, the british academy recognised a foreign language film. traditionally in the 50s, language film. traditionally in the 505, it language film. traditionally in the 50s, it recognised so many foreign—language films at the time. it hasn't happened for a few years but the most significant thing is, this is the march of netflix. they have so much money and are attracting some of the best film—makers in the world. attracting some of the best film-makers in the world. it did ta ke film-makers in the world. it did take in the best british film category, the winner was the favourite. they are movies that have broken through everywhere, bohemian rhapsody, stan and ollie, you were never really here so many? yes, not just because it is the baftas. even
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ifa just because it is the baftas. even if a film isn't british and doesn't have enough british money coming in, so many of the big films coming in have so much british talent behind them at so many british levels. british actors have been a massive pa rt british actors have been a massive part of so many movies. when it comes to the oscars, the british embassy in los angeles throw a big party for the british nominee is therefore the oscars. it is overflowing from all sorts of british talent from your household names, said that it will be like christian bale, richard e grant, 0livia coleman, but so many behind—the—scenes people, british people involved in film are recognised as being the best in the world. that is why the baftas is such a significant ceremony. in many ways we are this tiny, insignificant
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island, so many countries across the world a re island, so many countries across the world are producing film, but what we produce in terms of behind the camera and in front of the camera and what we give to the industry is so disproportionately huge compared to the rest of the world, they sit up to the rest of the world, they sit up and take notice. bohemian rhapsody didn't win outstanding british film but its lead character did winfor british film but its lead character did win for playing freddie mercury and the bio pick of queen about the early days of the band than going through to the production at live aid in 1985. it was wonderful seeing him there, he strutted down the red carpet having a fabulous time. he gave a beautiful speech where he was up gave a beautiful speech where he was up against people like christian bale, bradley cooper and our very own steve coogan. he seemed touched by being considered to be among some of those people. i still cannot believe i am included with this group of actors who i respect and admire. ishare group of actors who i respect and admire. i share this with you guys, every moment, i thank my lucky stars. it's quite difficult entering
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your world, in this way, as an outsider. you brits, you do it so well, it's not lost on me how sacred your musical heritage is. so thank you, thank you, thank you, for including me. and what will this project for the oscars? so difficult, the favourite or not when on home territory, harder to win over there. 0livia colman a lot of support here, but getting close for the film the wife will probably kept her to the post, we'll see what happens. it will be a fascinating ceremony. thank you. still to come. the power of selling by social media "influencers" we discuss whether it's time for better regulation. and should gcses be scrapped? 0ne senior mp thinks so — we'll discuss whether england's education system needs a big rethink social media sites should be fined or shut down if they don't tackle
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dangerous selling by influencers, according to england s children s commissioner. a bbc panorama investigation has spoken to a 13—year—old who lost money on a gambling—type game pushed by a youtuber. 0ur reporter catrin nye is here. tell us more about the investigation. this looked at the scale of influencer marketing. soap anyone who doesn't know, social influencers are people like youtubes or people on instagram with a decent following who can use that following to promote or sell stock. we looked at why the industry is now significant to the advertising and marketing industries, how much money these people make, we want to know that. and we looked at bad prank this. where transparency issues might
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exist, where items might be being promoted or sold and someone looking at them, if i look at my instagram i might not know someone is selling. we also learned, as you mentioned, and looked at potentially harmful products being pushed by influencers so we spoke to a 13—year—old boy who'd been watching one of his favourite people on you tube, found himself by clicking at him on this gambling type game and lost a significant amount of money. we also met a young woman who had suffered from anorexia and was asked to push a diet product on her own instagram. that's up for a busy panorama tonight and this report has a bit of what we found. welcome to dubai. social media influencers are digital superstars. many are paid to advertise products to the followers online. zara mcdermott from last
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years love island tv series is one of them. what's the most you've ever got offered for a post of a product? £3000 for one instagram story which would probably take me maybe ten minutes. to do. zara regularly promotes things like clothes and holidays but has discovered a darker side to the industry. probably 60—70% of the stuff that comes my way i will turn down. what sort of stuff? anything gambling related, alcohol—related. you wouldn't even believe the amount of12, 13, 14—year—olds have come to us as well as six or seven—year—olds that see our posts. 13—year—old mattie herbert wants to be a youtuber himself, he follows morgs, a british 17—year—old youtuber with millions of subscribers. worth $776. 3-2-1.
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one day he saw morgs promoting a mystery box game for a pay to open a box and do not know what they will win. it felt more like a game rather an actual gambling website. i saw that there was a box where you could actually win a gaming pc which are really expensive, like thousands of pounds. and my first reaction was i want that. using his debit card he spent his birthday money trying to win. what happened ? i won a key ring and a pot of slime which probably would have been worth like £5. in total. even that never arrived. morgs said he was assured the site was an e—commerce store but accepts he was naive, he is now removed the video and wants to apologise. mystery brand did not respond to our request for comment. they are big influence, aren't they, on teenagers. they should be careful what they put on, they should be regulated. there are also increasing concerns about diet products being promoted by influencers. charlotte rawlins has more than 3000 followers on instagram.
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i've suffered with anorexia for the last five years... despite that she was e—mailed by a company called skinny coffee club asking her to promote diet coffee so she replied. i would under no circumstances promote a product which urges women to feel inadequate with their bodies, i would certainly never do so with my audience many who have also suffered from disordered eating. these companies won't stop at anything to try and promote their products and get people on board with influence in marketing. it's a really effective way for people and companies like skinny coffee to target people. skinny coffee club did not respond to our request for comment, england's childrens commissioner is calling on the government to introduce legally enforceable measures to force social media platforms to take more responsibility. if companies chose not to follow the legal requirements they could be fined, they could be closed off, they could be shut down. it makes those platforms, those digital sites, responsible for
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what goes on the platforms in a way that they haven't yet been to date. that report was by katrin nie who is still with us. we can now speak to zara mcdermott, who you saw in that film. she was one of the contestants on last year's love island. so the things you get offered, what do you turn down? i would say 60-7096 of stuff i get offered ie turn down. and what's things? anything i considered detrimental, gambling, diet pills, i try and stick to fashion, and that's it. what is it that has made you do that because obviously a lot of social media influencers are taking the money, it's lucrative. absolutely, such a
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fickle industry, i think a lot of influencers get caught up in the money but as an influencer i have a superior responsibility to make sure the things i promote and i delivered to millions of people, or legitimate. they work. people are going to see results and the problem is with higher bills, they are never going to work, people get sold a dream and they go on to get things like eating disorders, with gambling there could be problems down the road. we all have a responsibility to make sure we market things appropriately. have you had previous issues that have led to you taking this strongly western market no, not at all. i think in the industry, for me, it's starting to become a stigma around people that are not things like diet pills except. because i think, we all aren't silly and we know the majority of them do not work. how much money do you think you could have made if you'd have taken all that stuff on?”
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you could have made if you'd have taken all that stuff on? i would say an additional £30,000 in the last seven or eight months. a lot of money. but it's not difficult for you to say no. absolutely not, the money in my head doesn't appear to me in my bank account, i don't see it like that. i see it as a dead end job really that could be detrimental to my career. in terms of transparency, what do you do to make sure your followers are totally clear of thing you'd been paid for something? there's two things you can do on instagram, you can tag a paid partnership in the caption or you can put a hash tag add. you sound like an absolute textbook model example. but it's not like this. sara is very aware, like you said, of her brand. she wants to be... these careers can be quite fickle and you want to make sure you
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are giving the right impression. but you know, it doesn't not take long going through instagram to be bombarded with particularly on my feet, things like diet pills. i have followed some diet type counts as research for this documentary. and then you get pushed more and there are plenty of influencers out there willing to push this stuff. and the truth is, you told me, didn't you, when the product is a bit more unsavoury, sometimes the reward is greater. absolutely. your biggest offer ever was for something you thought was really negative. what was that and how much will you offer? it was £3000 for an instagram story which would have taken me seconds to do. 60 seconds, maybe. and it was for a make—up brand that actually wasn't real and what i tend to do is look up brands on things like trust pilot, look at the reviews, twitter is really good looking at reviews of aims, using
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mediums like that before you assign yourself to a job is so important. in make—up company that wasn't real. it wasn't actually a real make—up company, i looked on trust pilot and then said, where is my order, i have not received it. it was a scam. it is obviously good that you're doing your research, thank you so much. thank you both. you can watch panorama s million pound selfie sell off tonight on bbc one at 8:30pm, or afterwards catch up on bbc iplayer. gcses should be abandoned at the age of 16, in favour of a single exam — called a baccalaureate — at 18, according to robert halfon mp, the chair of the education committee. he gave a keynote speech on it this morning at an event hosted by the education charity the edge foundation. a yougov poll suggests parents in england and wales with children 18 and under would support such a move with almost three—quarters saying they believe there is too much emphasis on exam grades achieved in secondary school.
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lets talk to robert halfon, charlotte wolf, who was an english teacher and left the profession because she thought exams were negatively impacting on her students; andrew halls, head teacher of king s college school who thinks gcses are a crucial signpost and it would be a tragedy if they were scrapped. welcome all of you. robert, i will come to you first, explain how the education system would work in an ideal world as you would like to see it. we face three significant challenges, the first is young people stay in education until 18, they do not leave at 16. secondly we have a significant skills deficit compared to many developing countries, we are low—down on the oecd countries, we are low—down on the 0ecd tables for maps, literacy, problem—solving. and thirdly, we face the march of the robots, the bank of england suggesting 15 millionjobs could be under
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bank of england suggesting 15 million jobs could be under threat of automation, 46% ofjobs currently done by young people could be under threat of automation or artificial intelligence. i think we need a radical look, we need to start a national debate of what the future curriculum, exams system should look like with the 21st century. we need to follow other countries. you have something like 149 countries who have a baccalaureate at 18, a wider range of subjects including creative, technical, vocational and with a much bigger skills base for employers which businesses demand. nothing before the exams at the age of 18. gcses should be scrapped. you probably have an assessment system at 16 or key stage four onwards. the key thing that employers would look for with the a wide baccalaureate at the age of 18. at the moment at the age of 16 we have a crazy system. i
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was allowed to do history, english and politics, but should not have happened, i should and politics, but should not have happened, ishould have and politics, but should not have happened, i should have been able to doa happened, i should have been able to do a much wider curriculum of technical science, creative subjects and what we are doing is narrowing to early when the world is changing and a huge way. the march of the robots isn't going to hitjust annualjobs, it's robots isn't going to hitjust annual jobs, it's going robots isn't going to hitjust annualjobs, it's going to hit all kinds ofjobs from accountants to lawyers to surgeons. we need to rapidly reskill and what i'm trying to do today is set a national debate about what the education system should look like for the future. andrew, what do you think?” should look like for the future. andrew, what do you think? i think that's wrong in a lot of ways. what's being proposed is a reboot of the 2003 suggestion by tomlinson that fell to pieces under analysis. so what exactly was that. the talk around the baccalaureate... it was the idea of work—related chlorate which was a jumble of different skills which is what is now being proposed again. my big concern is
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that in the uk, anyway, which indeed, as you as you say, has this low attainment problem, they are beginning to be fixed. hang still be baccalaureate and the reboot of gcses, taking something and making it stronger, we are seeing better qualified people sleep state schools for a qualified people sleep state schools fora grammy qualified people sleep state schools for a grammy half years. it seems a bad time to start fiddling around again was what has already been improved in the last few years. it's not great but it's better than it was. my worry is by chucking everything out and starting again with the ideal of an 18 plus certificate which has gone wrong before, we will end up with five or six years of endless, sort of, compromise, committee arrangements that will lead to worse education. robert, respond to those points, the system has been improved, it doesn't need to be changed. the government
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has done great things and the need is to be impregnable defence radical changes we didn't necessarily base 20 years ago in terms of the way artificial automation and automation are going to... can you just explain, the march of the robots, explain, the march of the robots, explain why a broader curriculum would better to up kids leaving school that sort of new world. at the moment the curriculum is predominantly academic and we are not necessarily teaching the skills that are lawyers want, employers wa nt that are lawyers want, employers want more practical skills, vocational and technical skills. take design and technology. since the baccalaureate was introduced in 2010 design and technology has gone down, by over 50%, 2010 design and technology has gone down, by over50%, people 2010 design and technology has gone down, by over 50%, people doing it. creative subjects down by 20%. that is wrong, the kind of world we are moving to you probably will need those kind of skills more than ever and we are way behind body. we have got a big drop. sorry to interrupt but i want to get everyone's
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thoughts. andrew responded that, future proofing is vital. there is nothing that has been said in any way that answers the so—called march of the robots or the artificial intelligence revolution. yes, there is the problem we do not quite know what grade education will look like in10-20 what grade education will look like in 10—20 years' time but nothing thatis in 10—20 years' time but nothing that is being proposed suggests this is the answer. i completely agree with you that this country's record and vocational training is terrible. to model bad but with an academic qualification is a complete disaster, absolutely the wrong idea. a lot of money and thought needs to be put into vocational training, sadly the government's programme for apprenticeships hasn't worked. a 24% drop in take—up rate, they need to stop the tooling and changing and make systems work. charlotte, you we re make systems work. charlotte, you were an endless teacher but you left the profession, why?|j were an endless teacher but you left the profession, why? i guess a numberof the profession, why? i guess a number of reasons, i started to feel like i was hitting a brick wall with
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a professional purpose, i started to identify somewhat with my role as a teacher, i started to be like i was preparing children for tests and there was the route learning, the idea you had to deal with content all the time and the stress of was placing on students. i've worked in different schools and i've seen the response was students to assessments, even the word assessments, even the word assessment causing panic attacks and classrooms because children were worried about performing. do you agree with robert about scrapping gcses? i think the debate is important, we think about what the purpose of education is, too many children looking to perform, to please someone. if you are doing anything creative in the classroom, as an english classroom subject has as an english classroom subject has a element, all subjects do, maps well, what is creative, what isn't, thatis well, what is creative, what isn't, that is the debate. i think they should be much more encouragement to actually see education as a holistic financial gun are put on pathways
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very early. i know, i've been to my local secondary school for tours because i am a parent and i am seeing them put on pathways by year eight and nine and then, suddenly they are being told this is your direction and actually i do not think that is how children experience different subjects, different forms of learning and i think it's right. what is the purpose of education? we are not preparing them, it's not the industrial revolution of the 19th century. the artificial intelligence, children do not need to regurgitate information. in a sentence, in a moment, anger about it while i quickly bring in some e—mails. mary says i agree scrapping gcses, teenagers will be freed from stress at an age they are dealing with so much, i have three teenagers, 18, 16, 14, they have to deal with everything else as well these days, i don't envy them and i don't know if i would be able to deal with the pressure they are
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under. i had exams are deadly and be studied a broad curriculum, i support letting go of gcses. five says wales had a baccalaureate system since 2013, a product range of subjects but the perception is that all of the case will not be by english universities. mike says this conservative permit are not resist tinkering with education, keeping the teaching profession of balance. liam says should this decision be made non—core subjects should be taught at diploma level. andrew, in a sentence, what is the purpose of education? it is to inspire children and make them love learning and be flexible minded ready for whatever future, not of which we can predict. it's also to enable children who are not particularly academic to find the right power play, jumping it and getting rid of gcse, a broad based programme, is not the answer. that
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was a long sentence. robert, can you do it in was a long sentence. robert, can you do itina was a long sentence. robert, can you do it in a sentence? it is to prepare children, all children, the chance to climb the educational ladder and at the top as job security and prosperity, pleaded the skills needs of the country. thank you all so much. thank you for your comments at home. he born getting in touch. you know the usual ways to get in touch. do you know what a property guardian is? maybe you've even been one? they are people who often can't afford high private rental costs, and instead pay lower rents to live in buildings that would otherwise be empty. but now the companies who run these schemes have been accused of housing people in dangerous and dilapidated public buildings for profit. an investigation by the i newspaper has revealed that councils are often raking in hundreds of thousands via these companies, from property guardians who have no tenant rights. camden council told i that they received a total of £1,235,129 from guardianships in 2017/18. meanwhile, buildings
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lack running water, fire detectors and fire escapes, and tenants have reported floors covered in human waste and broken glass. i s investigation has sparked calls for the government to regulate the property guardian industry. now we can speak to vicky spratt, the journalist who brought this story to the i newspaper and we'rejoined by giles peaker, an expert housing lawyer. welcome, both of you. tell us firstly, vicky, more about investigation. how many people are doing this property guardianship, what's the people and why? we don't know exactly how many because the industry is largely unrecorded. estimates range between five and 7000, that's in london. there is a misconception about property
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guardians, they are trendy, but i have spoken with nhs workers, local council workers and people who are thought we would call key workers who are doing this because they cannot afford to rent. they have been proust out the market, rent is really cheap? not as cheap as you would expect for a property like the one i saw which did not have any heating, £475 a month, one i saw which did not have any heating, £475a month, in one i saw which did not have any heating, £475 a month, in hackney, below market rate. no heating. what would the worst examples that you came across places where people were living in? one property in colchester, i was contacted by a former guardian and it was a former ca re former guardian and it was a former care home, in a terrible state, human waste leaking toilets all over the floors and the building had fire exits that had been nailed shot, people could not get out of there was a fire. isn't that illegal? would private landlords be able to get away with that? they would not and colchester council are not
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prosecuting the guardian company. giles, you are a housing lawyer. what rights do these property guardians have, i read that squatters have more rights. i'm not sure about squatters but the rights are very limited. the difference is that property guardians hold under a license, rather than a tenancy, a personal right to occupy and that really carries with it very restricted rights, there is none of the usual protections of a tenancy, the usual protections of a tenancy, the notice period is shorter, is no requirement to protect the deposit, there's probably no repairing obligations, all of the usual protections that go with a tenancy do not exist. the only real protection they have is a requirement that they get four weeks notice before the notice to quit expires. how would you describe the position for people who are acting
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as property guardians. they are doing it because they cannot afford market rents but in terms of what it actually means for them and where this goes, i think it, it was you vicky who described it as being the zero—hours contract but in property. perhaps it. how would you describe it? i think that's pretty apt. you are ina it? i think that's pretty apt. you are in a situation where you can be moved from room to room, even from property to property. other people and be called into the property was no notice. there is difficulty and a lot of the time houses of multiple occupation, they should be licensed and controlled by the council to ensure at least minimum standards. but there's quite a long history of that actually not happening. vicky, briefly, you have said zero hours for housing. it sounds like a great
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idea, empty properties being used. but it's not... but in practice, yes, absolutely, we are in the middle of a housing crisis in britain, we have a lot of homes that are empty, an increasing number of people who not only cannot afford to buy homes but are being priced out of the private rental sector. if we can house those people we should but not in substandard conditions and not in substandard conditions and not at the expense of their basic te na nt not at the expense of their basic tenant rights. thank you both so much. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. i will be back at the same time tomorrow but in the meantime, have a lovely day. a very good morning. not a bad start
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to the week, compared to the wet and windy weather of last week. most places try with a fair bit of sunshine and we continue in that vein for most of the day. some isolated showers to link down into england, clouding over in northern ireland and western scotland with rain by the evening. after a breezy day yesterday, the wind much lighter and plenty of sunshine overhead for most. feeling quite pleasant, temperatures higher than we expect this time of year, around 11 in plymouth. we finished today with more cloud in northern ireland and the west of scotland, patchy rain or drizzle coming and going through the night, spreading through scotland and into northern england, may be north wales. some try moments as well. increased cloud starts temperatures falling, some breaks across this south and east, a little bit of frost for a time. tomorrow cloudy with some rain and drizzle in the north, overall this week, not
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