tv Beyond 100 Days BBC News February 14, 2019 7:00pm-8:01pm GMT
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you're watching beyond 100 days, another defeat for the prime minister over her year world you're watching beyond 100 days. year world another defeat for the prime minister over her brexit plan so the chaos continues. mps refuse to back theresa may's approach to leaving the european union. the defeat has no legal bearing but, politically, it's very significant. the prime minister wasn't in the commons for the bruising upset — so she couldn't respond to calls from labour leaderjeremy corbyn to admit her strategy had failed. the ayes to the right — 258. the noes to the left — 303. the ayes to the by — 258. the prime minister wasn't in the commons for the bruising upset — so she couldn't respond to calls from labour leaderjeremy corbyn to admit her strategy had failed. she cannot keep on running down the clock and hoping something will turn up clock and hoping something will turn up that will save her day and save herface. the former deputy head of the fbi says there really were conversations both about taping donald trump and about ousting him on grounds of unfitness for office. also on the programme: a growing number of democrats have already declared their intention
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to run for president — today we're joined by one of them. he's a rhodes scholar, navy vet, and the first openly gay presidential candidate. and, move over the cookie monster — it's time to meet the brexit monster. big thanks to the dutch government for putting a bit of fun back in the process. we'll explain. hello and welcome — i'm katty kay in new york and christian fraser is in westminster. in the past hour theresa may has suffered a major defeat to her brexit plans with mps voting by a whopping 303 to 258 against the government. the eurosceptics in mrs may's party were opposed to taking no deal off the table and abstained. legally, the vote is not binding, but from a political perspective it's certainly significant and, as it has turned out, damaging for the prime minister.
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let's just remind you what was in that motion, it said this house reiterates its support for the approach to leaving the eu but that didn't wash in the commons — and the motion was voted down. the ayes to the right — 258. the noes to the left — 303. so, the noes have it, the noes have it. the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, said that the prime minister — who wasn't in the commons to hear the result — couldn't keep ploughing on without a coherent plan. the government cannot keep on
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ignoring parliament are planning on towards the 29th of march without a coherent plan. she cannot keep on just riding down on the clock and hoping that something will turn up that will save her day and save her face. so, it is surprising that the prime minister is but even here to hear the result of this date. so, mr speaker, i was going to ask her to come to the dispatch box now and admit that her strategy has failed. the speaker of the house did over the front bench of the right of reply, none of them took it. downing street have just released a statement — let's get reaction to those
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votes from our chief political correspondent, vicki young. not much of a valentines gift for the prime minister, she is not going to love this. what can she do in the course of the next two weeks when the next critical boats are held in order to try and get europe to give her something that makes her it would all agree more palatable. her something that makes her it would all agree more palatablelj think would all agree more palatable.” think most people listen to that statement from the comet will raise any eyebrows, blaming it onjeremy corbyn and labour mps when they couldn't persuade dozens of their own side to bachmann. two weeks ago,
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parliament voted for something and today, they couldn't agree on what they voted on two weeks ago. i think it shows a lot of anger being directed from one section of the tory party against those, they are the pro—brexit territories. we have heard a lot of these threats of resignations from the remains side of the argument. none of those have happened. interesting to hearjeremy corbyn that she cannot simply run down the clock and carry on. actually, she county. that is what she has been doing and she will continue to do so until somebody stopped her. there are labour mps seem tojeremy corbyn, if we can get behind a second referendum, they may behind a second referendum, they may bea behind a second referendum, they may be a chance that could change things. 0n the other side, there is a possibility that mps will decide in two weeks' time. they must act to ta ke in two weeks' time. they must act to take no—deal off the table, i think thatis take no—deal off the table, i think that is the likely outcome in a two weeks' time. europe acid that it
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went the prime minister to show that she has a stable majority, she has not been able to do that. why would they make concessions now when they don't know if she can even sell it backin don't know if she can even sell it back in the house of commons with her own party? that was the government from downing street to their own mps, saying that it would not send out a positive message to brussels. that hasn't happened. the question is, many people suspect that behind—the—scenes as the clock ticks down, the eu wants to deal, the uk wants a deal, nobody is particularly prepared font no—deal. both sides know any concessions might not be enough, and it goes to the wire. someone even talking about the wire. someone even talking about the end of march when that crucial vote happens. i do think there are so vote happens. i do think there are so many mps that will not allow it to get that far, that is why the 27th of february becomes incredibly important. it is like the moment
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when finally all these mps and conservatives who are so unhappy about the prospect of lady you decide that you need to resign to act to take it out of theresa may's hands. when you kick the can down the road, it is important to know how actually long the road is.” have plenty of company here tonight, plenty of people banging the cans as well. with me now is senior editor at the economist, anne mcelvoy, and the former director of legislative affairs at downing street, nikki da costa. nicky, i read your comments as you we re nicky, i read your comments as you were renting out the show that stephen barclay put optimising it a limited everybody. i am not an mp but it is tough. what happens is that if you have a script, they are really carefully crafted word, often it is about getting the colour to bring people with you. itjust
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it is about getting the colour to bring people with you. it just felt that it wasn't hitting for either side. those that thought, 0k, that it wasn't hitting for either side. those that thought, ok, i will work with the government, they don't really have that softness to work with. a lot of mess this week, it is all clumsy. i think it has emphasise how important it is to get things right. yes, very clumsy. another thing is that the eurosceptics felt that it took no—deal off the table by the back door and they were not going to support so they abstained. tonight, the chief worker gillian smith went out of the chamber shaking his head and the direction of the drg. the conservative party are ina of the drg. the conservative party are in a right old mess. yes, they are. i think that gesture by the chief appears normally a control person was saying to those on his own side who abstained, what have you done, you are tiny and the prime minister's hands. this was a line once byjohn major when he was in
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the trouble in the 19905 over the maastricht treaty. he said to his own party don't bind my hands. history is certainly repeating itself. the hard mo5t history is certainly repeating itself. the hard most certainly do not think that they have enough guarantees yet that there5a may is serious about their concern on the backstop. she feel5 serious about their concern on the backstop. she feels that she is pushing a5 backstop. she feels that she is pushing as hard as hard as she can, probably over the line, as far as the eu is concerned. and there no man's land, that scene you describe it really brought it home for me too. there is enormous for dishing out the premise that because she is doggedly going down one line. we have had lots of voices to today saying that she must change course. she 5ing, saying that she must change course. she sing, in turn, you give me a disruption to go back to brussels and get something on the backstop. that is what i tried again, you're trying to shrink the space so i can't do it. this was abled offered to keep the remain side count. there is nothing in the legislation. this
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was meant to be getting more time, she does leave more time to have those conversations. the thing is, we have just had some difficult... i get what you're saying about the chief whip. having seen him in operation, it also takes sensitivity, i have any doubt from that side. and it would be fair to say, there are many new, secretary for exiting the eu, he is not really out there on the touchy—feely stuff. but as a skill, we are beginning to 5ee parliament, the parade of skill levels perhaps need to rise all around. you're absolutely right. he didn't get it right. i wonder what you think about the timetable. the next —— they sit back, they will probably ticket offer, and take the timetable away from her. she must be wa ry timetable away from her. she must be wary about when she pays it back. and she can bring it back, i would suspect, until she has something. 0ne suspect, until she has something. one thing to look today as when you look at all those minor amendments
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was that this is not being forced back earlier, it was not far off. it was a labour amendment that would have brought that into being. downing street tonight i think that nothing has changed, which is very true, but at the same time, everything is getting worse. at least her timeline remains the same, the trouble is, she is losing oxygen and that sense like whatever she brings back will work. of course, the european side can watch those broadcast as well as anyone else. they know that too. she gets herself into operating in a very narrow frame there. the next time it comes back, i think the amendments will be quite powerful. the eu will say, you have had your time and prime minister, now that i was set at the timetable stop takes is properly faster and closer to an extension. christian, what i'm hearing is a
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huge amount of frustration. in the gulf bidding, with the basic tears in their party, the romanians with the leadership in their party. has anything changed 7 the leadership in their party. has anything changed? ——. remainders.” think something is changing. her i’ooiti think something is changing. her room for manoeuvring is shrinking fast. there is this force that you come back and put the mission for the house on the 27th of february. asi the house on the 27th of february. as i said, there would be less avalanche of an immense and they will try to wrestle the timetable from her. that frustration is ringing out. i shouldn't put the washing out, as you keep delaying until she get something from europe. women like who is one of the chief remainders, in a realform in the prime minister syed perhaps got the mid right. whatever way you feel about brexit, we need leadership on it. she says that there is a crisis
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of leadership on both sides of the housein of leadership on both sides of the house injeremy corbyn and theresa may. she says that parliament needs a real shake—up, new talent, may. she says that parliament needs a realshake—up, new talent, people who can do things. funny you should say that because that is exactly the argument you are hearing on the side of the atlantic do. you get it from the republican and democratic side, people think they need decisive leadership to take them into the next election. the 2020 campaign is well under way and, already, eight democrats have announced this year that they're running to unseat mr trump. but, it's notjust senators getting in the race. peter buttigieg is the mayor of the relatively small town of south bend, indiana. he announced his exploratory committee last month. how didi how did i do with that name? 0bviously how did i do with that name? obviously not bad. he likes to be known as meier pete. buttigieg was educated
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at harvard and oxford and served with the us navy reserves in afghanistan. he was elected mayor at the age of 29. he is also the first openly gay candidate to run for president. hejoins us now. thank you very much forjoining us. you're in new york, you come from south bend, indiana, a town of about 100,000 people. you're running for president of the united states, how can you ask people to give you the keys of the white house, control of the biggest military in the world, control of the biggest economy in the world where much of done so far as look after one small town. this may sound a cheeky answer from the youngest person in the conversation stop the supposed way to answer is my experience. i have more experience in government than the president of the united states. i have more military experience than anyone that will have arrived in that office since george hw bush. i get that out is not a conventional
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leadership experience because people are accustomed to senators and congressmen stepping into this conversation stop i would argue that most americans believe that we would be well served if washington looked a little more like our best run cities and towns, not the other way round. as the mayor, i'm the one that gets the phone calls about anything. i think that kind of experience is perhaps the most releva nt experience is perhaps the most relevant to the needs of the white house at this time. i hate to say, you're the youngest person in this conversation as well. whatever you had to do in the course of being mayor, i know you like to point to having compromise with republicans in south bend. give us an example of compromise that has been difficult for you, whether you have had to give up something that you didn't wa nt to give up something that you didn't want to give up for the benefit of your voters? i'm an energetic progressive democrat but i'm also from a very conservative state. mike pence was the governor of the state of indiana. i have managed to buck
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with three republican governors to get things done whether it is economic developing or working together on initiatives to develop in the two errors in the community. much like the english north, we have a lot of communities reeling from the changes in industry. whether it is on opportunities to be things like infrastructure is up one of my great enemies is the common pot hole, which means teaming up with anybody who will work with his developing as a structure opportunities for so it says that practical on the ground experience thatis practical on the ground experience that is lacking in washington right 110w. that is lacking in washington right now. you don't hear about city governments shutting down over ideological agreements, we literally can't, we deliver drinking water. no matter what it takes, we always find a way to keep our government running and keep serving residents, the matter what. we have got very divided government on the site, within the conservative party and definitely bert cook. we read that the democratic party is divided as well, between the liberal
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progressive wing which donald trump has tried to define eyes socialist, and the centre. i went with you fit on that spectrum ? and the centre. i went with you fit on that spectrum? i'm certainly an unapologetic progress, but also pragmatic and getting things done. many things that are being used to divide us, we agree on far more things than we don't. we are going to have a healthy robust debate on the right policies on everything from health care to climate change. the big differences ours is the party that wants more people to be able to get more health care. 0urs is the one that believes that is real and my 70 something about it, especially people from my generation, who will be living with the consequences of today's climate policies, all the way to 2034 when i'll be reaching the current age of the current present. i am seeing you here and those pictures in your 405, you're a veteran of the afghan war. you have a little bit worldly —wise
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but you are a home town mayor. you will be tested on your foreign policy, so you on what you would do with the troops in syria and afghanistan stop the peasant has indicated you like to bring them home, is that a good idea? indicated you like to bring them home, is that a good idea7m indicated you like to bring them home, is that a good idea? it is a good idea. but you do not want to look that idea on twitter before you have consulted with your own military commanders. we must pursue peace in afghanistan. if the taliban is serious about putting up their weapons down, then that is a pathway to end what is beginning to feel like an endless war. 0ne to end what is beginning to feel like an endless war. one that you could be old enough to enlist in today but are not even be born when the 9/11 attacks happen. and oh so concerned that the legitimate democratically elected afghan government seems to be left to the sidelines of these talks. and in the end, a lasting peace cannot happen without the involvement of the afg ha n without the involvement of the afghan government and i would like to see demonstration pay much attention to that. obviously you're running as america bus first openly
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95v running as america bus first openly gay presidential candidate, i'm sure very soofi gay presidential candidate, i'm sure very soon will not be unique, the big motive for folly. do you think the country is ready to elect someone the country is ready to elect someone who is openly gay?” the country is ready to elect someone who is openly gay? i know it has attracted attention. i would say that we are coming to the point where americansjust that we are coming to the point where americans just want to judge you based on your ideas and your track record. i came out as gay in the middle of a real election campaign because it wasjust the middle of a real election campaign because it was just the right time to do it at the point in my life. i'm from a social conservative community, we did not know what the politics would be, in the end, i got re—elected with 80% of the vote. i think that is an indication that americans want to understand who you are and what you have to offer, and not just categorise you based on these labels. thank you forjoining us. i
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have heard from mayors all around this country and there are streetlights, they are not republican or democratic potholes and street lights. it is the mayors who get things fixed, who deliver things to people on a day—to—day basis. you can run as the candidate when washington is broken and say, i can deliver those services, i have a track record of the unit. he is very young, he has not got any name recognition around the country but he has a very compelling story. if he has a very compelling story. if he can run on that platform of making politics working for people,. can you run as present as a small—town mayor? can you get the money because this is big politics in washington? can you do it as mayor? every now and again, summary comes out of the blue and captures the public‘s attention. it is
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possible that someone like peter buckley can do it. we have seen in the past. —— peter buttigieg. 1st i'm joined now by conservative mp, kwasi kwarting, who is a minister in who is a minister the department for exiting the eu. he is in the palace of westminster. kwasi, thanks for talking fights. what does this leave theresa may?” think it is always difficult with losing votes. watch the house of commons voted for at the end of the last month with the brady amendment, a number of conservative mp5 want to focus on the issue of the backstop, they wanted the eu to give something of the backstop. there was a majority, if they did to give something on the backstop to get a deal and vote for the deal and leave the eu in a timely and orderly manner. what happened today was that a number of those colleagues who
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supported the brady amendment has said that they do not want to take no—deal off the table because the emotion that the comment was essential work on what happened at the end of january. essential work on what happened at the end ofjanuary. and essential work on what happened at the end of january. and so that we welcome the spell when i'm aiming at that time and the brady amendment. that does not deflate or distract us from ourjob which is to try and land a deal with european partners and get as deal across the line so that we leave the eu on the 29th of march. we have set another horizon of the 27th of april, this is when the government will bring back the emotion. the premise there must now be aware that if she does that, an avalanche of amendments is going to come, you will be defeated. so i wonder if you push it too much, or at least i she has something that she can bring back to the house. you are quite right. the 27th will be
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challenging. we have got to focus on the big picture, the idea that we are going to get a deal, and we are going to get the deal through the house of commons. that is what the premise that is doggedly and any focus way setting her mind you. i think if we do that, there is a majority in the house for a deal. the way to avoid in new do is to vote for a deal. we hope that we get the right deal through the house of commons so that we can leave the eu. i have to stress that is the key thread in all this, that is what we must focus on. i think there may be bumps on the road but the broad direction has always been to land a deal and leave the eu. but hasn't what happened today in the comments made it even harderfor the premise to go to europe and say, give me something, give me some compromise. because they just watch what happened today and they see that there is no stable majority for the prime minister. i think what was key about today was the fact that the
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number of conservative colleagues sat on their hands, or abstain, because they feel they could not support any notion that it no view of the table — that's what happened. that does not alter the fact that the majority for brady's amendment which sought for alternative arrangements for the backstop, that is the basis on which we will try to get a deal. i think we can get a deal. speaking to european cou nterpa rts deal. speaking to european counterparts and businesses and our own country, everyone wants a deal, they won't listen to end and others to get to the next day. and they wa nt to get to the next day. and they want us to do so and an organised and timely way. be as frank as you can, how late into march this this go? i do not know, i'm not a soothsayer, i cannot predict the future. what i can say that is goodwill on both sides, a real determination to get a deal. when that happens, the date and hour is not my gift to be able to tell you,
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i'm afraid. i am confident i will get a deal and we will leave the eu the way. kwasi kwarting, thank you for being with us this evening. they tacit knowledge that 27th of february will not be the date they bring this mission back because they know what they are facing as they do. it may be that this gets pushed into march, there is that european summit towards the end of march. it could go that long and that could be when it hits. he certainly pushed back and say no, it's february 27. i wasn't hearing that. now, but the premise there will come under enormous pressure. both are hot outside and those on the opposite benches as well. business is sitting on his hands as we discussed last night and they want a decision. we will watch closely watch the prime minister does. 0ur europe editor, katya adler, is in brussels.
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what are you hearing from people in brussels, their reaction to what happened today? the likelihood that this makes them any more willing to get something to the prime minister? you pointed out yourselfjust a couple of months ago, not very likely. that — — couple of months ago, not very likely. that —— a couple of minutes ago. they kept saying to the prime minister in o'neill's last few weeks, if you ask for us to change a thing in this brexit deal, you have to be able to demonstrate is that you have the majority of mps behind you. notjust two you have the majority of mps behind you. not just two or three to you have the majority of mps behind you. notjust two or three to it is the past but enough that you can get all the legislation passed that will be necessary, in order to get this deal really through parliament. tonight, the eu sees that she does not have that. they see more reason to push the primer is the heart honest to demonstrate that she has a
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majority, they will also see the fa ct majority, they will also see the fact that a certain amount of conservative mps abstain from this vote, sat on their hands as we just heard. those that feel that no—deal was off the table in this mission, they do like that. it is these mps that the eu will point to in say, you will never satisfy them, prime minister. if we get something now, if the prime minister always seeks to those are more hardline and her party, that means she'll be coming back again and again and again to brussels. the eu wants to avoid that, they want to settle us in one stroke, if you like. that is why the wisdom here is that we are deafening looking at much, very possibly, that eu summit so much summit on in march. the risk of a new deal coming out of this is seen here as comfortably high that uncomfortably high. the letter that jeremy corbyn
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route to the eu, it opened up the possibility of a softer relationship with the eu. we have heard from labourfigures on with the eu. we have heard from labour figures on the winning side, they do not want to carry a tory brexit across the line. that is the difficulty for the prime minister. do they recognise that in the eu? if you to labour, she might get a few votes but then she might lose some of her own party. it won't really solve the problem. what we have seen throughout this process is a misunderstanding of the political cultures on both sides. many eu countries, their system is based on consensus —based politics, so correlation dowding. sitting together in parliament and coming to an agreement to stop where as in the uk, is there adversarial style, a 2—party uk, is there adversarial style, a 2— party system. the uk, is there adversarial style, a 2—party system. the whole electoral syste m 2—party system. the whole electoral system is very much too big parties
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and if you look at the debate even tonight, there is a lot of aggression, a lot of passion thrown backwards and forwards across the house of commons. this makes cross—party working much less likely in the uk then you get in germany, for example, or perhaps in italy. if it was necessary and seen in the national interest was upset the eu has said to the premise that, why don't you work across the parties? some haven't lost hope that there could be a uniting around a permanent customs union when the clock ticks down even further. there are those in the eu that is may be the prime minister's mathematics will work in the end if there are twea ks will work in the end if there are tweaks made to the deal in the last minute and she ships a little bit when everyone is facing a possible no—deal scenario that you can get just enough people on board with this deal with a few tweaks here and there. the main concern in the eu is
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that a deal gets done, there is an enormous amount of brexit fatigue here as well so there is no appetite on the eu site either to have an extension of the article 50 process. of course, the eu would rather an extension and a no—deal scenario. this in that conversation. this is beyond 100 days, with me katty kay in new york, christian fraser is at westminster. our top stories: theresa may suffers a fresh defeat over her brexit strategy — opposition leaderjeremy corbyn calls on the prime minister to admit her tactics have failed. the former deputy head of the fbi says there really were conversations about taping donald trump and about ousting him on grounds of unfitness for office. coming up in the next half hour: cuba wades into venezuela's political crisis —
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accusing the us of preparing for military intervention to overthrow president maduro. a british woman who ran away to syria as a schoolgirl to join the so—called islamic state group is told she could face prosecution if she returns home. donald trump is hitting back against a new book that claims fbi and justice department officials discussed wearing a wire into meetings with the president. mr trump was responding to an interview that has aired here with andrew mccabe — the former acting fbi director. afterjim comey, the head of the fbi was fired, mr mccabe says there were also high level discussions on the possibility of recruiting cabinet members to help oust mr trump from office on grounds of insanity. mr mccabe also says he launched a counterintelligence probe into mr trump a day after speaking with him in may 2017, following the firing jim comey.
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i was very concerned that i was able to put the russia case on absolutely solid ground in an indelible fashion that were i removed quickly or fired, that the case could not be closed or vanish in the night. he goes to to say mccabe is a disgrace to the fbi and a disgrace to our country. joining us now from washington is the bbc‘s north america editorjon sopel. they are not going to like this in
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the white house, the idea that the former acting head of the fbi is coming out in public and saying we did think of wearing a wire. we did think of trying to oust him because he wasn't fit for office, but it's interesting watching the fine print of the justice department's statement, they are not totally denying it. they say there are inaccuracies and untruth and they don't quite specify what those inaccuracies and untruths are. and that lives a lot of suspicions in people's mind. the claims from andrew mccabe are extraordinary. people talk about wearing a wire, trying to drop the president, getting a kind of majority of the cabinet to say he is not fit to be the president, invoking article 25 of the constitution, which has never been invoked before. the health warning about andrew mccabe, that you have give is that he was fired from the fbi, following an inspector general's report that found him of lying and being dishonest about certain aspects of his work. so, they will be those in the white house that was a you can't trust a word he says and that has been their
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line from their sanders. people of a more conspiratorial mind and trim supporters will say, this was the deep state trying to mount a coup against the elected president people iimagine against the elected president people i imagine people that follow the russia investigation and are looking at what the special council are doing, might see all of this as a sideshow. the presidents never was ousted because of grounds of unfitness for office, no one ever did buya unfitness for office, no one ever did buy a wire. is this alljust a kind of dirty laundry of the trump administration that is slightly a sideshow? i think it is a sideshow, in comparison to the huge issues, whether it is about the us economy or the peace deal with north korea, whatever it happens to be, yes, you could say that. this is the shadow that continues to want the trump administration, was there wasn't there? russian involvement in the
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2016 election. to what extent was a collision with the trump campaign? these questions have not been put to bed andl these questions have not been put to bed and i suspect they won't be put to bed until miller reports and even then they might not be put to bed, because if you are a trump hater and you think donald trump should not be in the white house, you are going to look at any scrap of evidence and see, make a mountain out of it. if you are a trump lover, you despair at the whole process. thank you. that's exactly the point. we know from all of the polling over the past years, from the rally is that he attends, if you like him, all of this is just the opposition trying to get your guy, if you hate donald trump, this is just further confirmation that he is unfit for office. nobody seems to be changing their minds. the election in 2020, those democrats we spoke about, it's going to be fought on a very, very narrow slice of the american electorate because most people are eitherfamily in electorate because most people are either family in one electorate because most people are eitherfamily in one camp orfamily
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in the other. quite right. marmite. a bit like brexit. with me now it's our favourite pair— labour mp seema malhotra and conservative mp nigel evans. nice to see you both. happy valentine's day to you all. which way did you vote tonight, nigel? i voted with the government. i am an erg supporter, those who want to see a clean brexit. but at the end of the day, it was established that this wasjust indicative the day, it was established that this was just indicative votes. the day, it was established that this wasjust indicative votes. not binding. ijust wanted this wasjust indicative votes. not binding. i just wanted to this wasjust indicative votes. not binding. ijust wanted to strengthen the hands of the prime minister as she carries on negotiating this sort of we are in the final stages now. it's always been said that the european union would wait till the la st european union would wait till the last moment until they make the concession that is absolutely necessary to get it through the comments. all i know is that if the
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prime minister comes back from brussels empty and presents the same sort of crazy that she did just before christmas is going to go the same way. nigel is going to go with me tonight. the aig as your friends, i don't think theresa may needs political enemies. tonight was extraordinary. it was extraordinary they desire her this time —— of the erg. bending over backwards to appease them, and they are effectively left her standing at the altar. they say she is not listening to them. let me put it to you, there is your leader is not listening to you either. what about these front pages today, ten frontbenchers to resign in the second meant random if it is not on the table. it's so clever to try and make this about the labour party. it is about the labour party. in reality, what is happening today and is going to continue is a tory civil war again, because now the focus is going to be
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on the cross—party process that will come in two weeks' time for how we make sure we stop no deal and we do that through legislative means. this is not just that through legislative means. this is notjust the labour party, supported by the labour party but of mps across the house including theresa may's own side. it is that serious now that you've got to make sure we stop no deal, that we have an approach whereby the parliaments was can be had and we look forward to how we can deal with theirs, so we don't have a brexit that is going to be hugely damaging forjobs, for security, manufacturing and i should make this point, we are already in a no deal. companies like ford have been telling parliamentarians this week, they were decisions, we export, going by ship it takes more than six weeks. they are ready and having to make decisions about how they are doing trade. we can stop they are doing trade. we can stop the no deal though. they are doing trade. we can stop the no dealthough. by they are doing trade. we can stop the no deal though. by having a deal. you've got to get agreement for that. on the backstop, this is something that is supposed to be temporary and either side... they can't be much between the two sides really and saying that britain
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should be allowed to unilaterally leave the backstop if we believe we are being held fora leave the backstop if we believe we are being held for a much longer period than is absolutely necessary. it's not just about the period than is absolutely necessary. it's notjust about the backstop. are you at all worried there is a kamikaze wing within the arg that will want to take the —— arg. even though it's not obvious there is a majority? if it went to a secret ballot, they would vote to stay in the european union, but a lot of them, and a lot in the party, have seats that voted leave. labour have to be consistent too. a lot of them... have abstained or voted with theresa may. had this been a proper meaningful vote and she is right, and a couple of weeks' time we will have a vote, you will see a different vote. i don't think the arg would have said no. europe have
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got to learn that the last time they we nt got to learn that the last time they went through this exercise, david cameron didn't ask for much. he was trying to renegotiate our relationship with the e u as he came back with less then he asked for any british people to control. the british people to control. the british people to control. the british people to control in 2016 as well, they said they wanted to leave. but on what sort of relationship does the eu want to see us leave? or relationship does the eu want to see us leave ? or they've relationship does the eu want to see us leave? or they've got to do is get... is not about the eu but what mps want. i've come out in favour of a norway —based arrangement with a customs union, believe the majority, if... there is a debate to be had. it's brexit in name only. there is a great slogan. people in my constituency are talking to me every day about brexit. businesses and families. we need certainties, we got to rule out no deal and have a mature debate just for a few months of article 50, so that we can leave the european union in an orderly
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fashion if that is what he has finally decides. happy valentine's day. i see you walk off your holding hands. i know it's to be true. fake news! i'm apologising on your behalf to these two given walking off holding hands. i'm glad to see you can't control them any better when you are in person. i know, i can't. they were running rings around you. the british may still not be clear what brexit looks like —— but our friends in the netherlands have a very clear idea. and it's not what you think. indeed —— according to the the dutch government brexit is big, blue and hairy. he's also, they say, a monster that risks blocking your path. the picture was tweeted by foreign minister stef blok, with the warning: "make sure brexit doesn't sit — or lie — in your way". there is also — more seriously — a link to an official website
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where dutch firms can see the potential impact of brexit on their business. of course, many people say the dutch are better prepared than we are. but, certainly they have had more people for the ports, they have more customs checks, ready to go in the netherlands and apparently when it we did this yesterday, i don't know whether it was because of the blue boris looking monster, but extreme hundred people phoned in to get more advice. put a blue muppet on your website and people ringing. it reminds me of that sesame street is a story we had on the other day. good for them. the cuban government has accused the us of secretly moving troops to several caribbean islands, in preparation for an attempt to depose venezuelan president nicolas maduro. in a statement, cuba says that american military aircraft landed last week in puerto rico, the dominican republican and other strategic locations in the region. the us has yet to respond to the allegations.
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meanwhile it's been three weeks since opposition leaderjuan guaido declared himself interim president and with neither side seemingly any nearerto giving in, venezuelans are grow increasingly worried about the prospect of an armed conflict. joining us now is our correspondent barbara plett—usher, who's been attending a conference in washington on the crisis. what are you hearing there in that conference on what is going to happen if the venezuelan government doesn't like his aides go in. what is the stand—off and as? doesn't like his aides go in. what is the stand-off and as? it is interesting, because what the message here is is that the plan is for there to be a sort of massive peaceful surge of venezuelans is how they put it on both sides of the bridge where the blockade has been put up so they are doing just on the bread in other words and then they expect the military to step back and
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let them get that humanitarian aid through. so, idid let them get that humanitarian aid through. so, i did ask what happens if the military does not stand back, do you have a plan b? i was told with a great deal of confidence, they were quite convinced the military would do so. i didn't hear of any planned beer. that's what they have been saying here. in terms of what you are saying about the cuban of what you are saying about the cu ban reports of of what you are saying about the cuban reports of military deployments in the caribbean, we had a brief response to that here from the un met us envoy for venezuela, he said it is a new lie. he has in the past to say he didn't expect military involvement. he said it was a humanitarian, political and diplomatic policy, but whether the americans would be willing to put troops into colombia, limited troops there just to reinforce the aid convoy. anyway, that is going to become a bit more clear in the next
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9-10 become a bit more clear in the next 9—10 days, but here they are saying people will get through. thank you. this is beyond 100 days. still to come — a british woman who ran away to syria as a schoolgirl tojoin the islamic state group has been told she could face prosecution if she returns home. the queen has marked the centenary of the intelligence agency gchq - by visiting its original home in central london. when it first opened watergate house was known as the ‘government code and cypher school' and was a top secret location. 0ur royal correspondent sarah campbell reports. back to work for the queen after her winter break. it was here in 1919 that gchq was formed, an organisation which over the years has quietly gone about its business of keeping britain safe. today, a
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royal unveiling, making public the land and building? secret past. then at known as the government code and cypher school, changed its name to the more mysterious gchq and relocated to bletchley park. it was there during the second world war that codebreakers cracked the german enigma machine, revealing messages which would prove crucial in winning the world. 92—year—old ruth, was one of those secretly working for gchq. today, she was able to share her work. back then, she could tell no one i think it was clever that we didn't know how important it was.” was straight out of sixth form. recruiting the next generation of cyber experts is important. these
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schoolgirls might be a long them as they won a gchq competition testing computing and coding skills.” didn't realise how much i liked it until day eight of the competition. i have been to all of these cool events and it inspired me to do it. so you could meet the queen, that is pretty impressive as a prize. yes, definitely. and any budding codebreakers can definitely. and any budding codebrea kers can test definitely. and any budding codebreakers can test their skills on the newly placed plaque, which shows to hidden messages in code. as we heard earlier in the programme, from the conservative party lets hurt now from the labour party. i'm joined now by richard burgon, labour mp and shadow secretary of state forjustice. you don't have any power to force the prime minister to bring back
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this motion. we don't have the majority of our own in the house of commons which is where we are saying the prime minister now needs to show some courage, live up to her responsibility, her prime ministerial duties and work with mp5 across the house for a traditional british compromise to get a brexit that brings a country together and avoids economic disaster. but if she doesn't, if she delays it and knows this avalanche of amendments is going to follow, what do you do? this is why she has got to show personal, political and moral responsibility. the whole country is looking for the prime minister to show courage and do the right thing. she has lost ten votes already as prime minister. she may be focused on trying to heal the rifts, that are on healer bore in my eye dl,. she should look to the country. she should work with labour and other parties in the house of commons to get a traditional british
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compromise, involving a permanent customs union and stronger single market relationship, to actually get a deal, which allows us to leave the european union respect and accept the outcome of the referendum, but also ensure that we don't fall off the cliff or cause economic disaster and job losses. how worried are you that this is going to pull your party apart? i've asked the same question, it really is about labour as well. the split in your party and the fact that it could even lead to a new... with some of the labour mps walking away. there were no rebellions today. labour represents both constituencies that voted leave and constituencies that voted leave and constituencies that voted leave and constituencies that voters remain. that is a strength. there are some people with different views in our party, but ultimately, we are united on trying to get this deal and trying to find these sense of common sense out of the country. i think people want this sorted. the prime minister can't assort it on her own. she can't sort it by trying to
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persuade or flat at the european research group. she needs to come together for a common—sense sense compromise. where does your leader side on this? we know he was a eurosceptic for a long period of his career, and now he's is talking about a second referendum. is he faithful to his own mandate that he was given by labour supporters. it is there any manifesto that you support brexit? jeremy corbyn, yaz has made speeches in the past in which he voiced before becoming a labour leader, real concerns about the european union. concerns that people in communities that voted leave and people that voted remain shared, jeremy corbyn has showed political maturity and the willingness to compromise and review his own position, and his own red lines historically to bring the country together. the challenge is for the prime minister now to do the same. she shouldn't be in a bunker
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in ten downing st not trying to work across the house of commons in trying to negotiate for these hard lines in her own party. the country deserves better than that. we are crying out for leadership. we are crying out for leadership. we are crying out for courage. people are wondering is the prime minister in the next two weeks going to show that or is she going to relinquish her duties to the country? thank you. the shadow justice her duties to the country? thank you. the shadowjustice secretary. with me now is tom tugendhat, conservative mp. we are going to talk to him about brexit as he just gets into we are going to talk to him about brexit as hejust gets into position but we are also going to talk to you about this school girl who went off to syria which we have been talking about through the day and has now turned up in syria the times newspaper she wants to come home. nice to see you. your reaction to what has gone on this evening. we have been saying that the conservative party is in a right old mess. this was a meaningless vote and frankly, we
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have seen another people... whether they will accept a minor change in wording that doesn't result in a change of law. the country deserves better than theirs. by the country deserves is the ability to move forward after two and a half years and having a focus on hospitals, schools, roads and rail. i can let a thousand things that need fixing in kent and other mp5 can do the same. i would be very grateful if we could move on, get a deal, settle it and actually start trying to govern for the whole country. let'sjust turn to this british woman who has turned up to this british woman who has turned up in syria. for those who haven't been following this story, she was one of these schoolgirls, three schoolgirls that went off to join the islamic state, these are the last name pictures of them before they left london. she could face prosecution if she returns home. she was 15 years old when she left her east london home and she is now pregnant. saying that she wants to come back. what you make of that?
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she spent the best part of a cause of her life in a violentjihadis date. she decided at 15, admittedly, under pressure may be, grooming, to go to under pressure may be, grooming, to gotoa under pressure may be, grooming, to go to a place that is sexually dangerous and exceptionally violent. she decided to go to a place where she knew, girls younger than her we re she knew, girls younger than her were being raped by the people she viewed as idols. frankly, my sympathy is somewhat limited by that. what we have now got to do is think about the security of british people and the security of the british nation. that means looking at her sadly, with the cold eye of reality and realising that this is a woman who could easily become a radicalised delay might radicalise of other women and it is deeply wrong to expose young women in the uk to that form of radicalisation. some of the things she said are quite abhorrent. she said people have been beheaded, there were bins full of heads and that didn't seem to turn her off. she didn't have a problem with that. a vast majority
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of these people in this country do not want her back here. i want to ask, clearly the american troops are rounding up these civilians that are coming out of these last strongholds of isis now. what's pressure on the putting on european countries to ta ke putting on european countries to take back some of these people. i'll be going to have to find the system to bring them back and how do you convince the public that that is what we need to do? if this woman comes back to the uk, i would expect it to be interviewed very carefully by our intelligence services and our police. i would then expect them... but we wouldn't bring her back.” can't see why we watch. if she gets back to the united kingdom, she is still a british citizen, she has the right of entry, but that does not mean she has the right of liberty when she is back. she could still be prosecuted and the prosecution extends from going to a prescribed area in this case, syria, from training with the prescribed group in this case the islamic state and she could certainly be... if she was partaking in any form of violence.
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the real challenge for her today is to make sure the communities in the uk, deserve protection, like her we re uk, deserve protection, like her were radicalised when they could be radicalised where they are young. they do not have such a poisonous element in that mess. i don't know if she is one, but we've got to be cautious and that is the duty of our government today. thank you very much. just out of time. it is interesting ones. there'll be lots of people who have no sip all. did you have to bring back somebody who went there as a 15—year—old girl? that is the debate. we do. it is the end of the programme. people shouting very loudly behind you. they weren't shouting happy valentine's day so i will say to myself. happy valentine's day to you. have a great evening. good night. good evening. for most parts of the
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uka good evening. for most parts of the uk a beautiful day it was. if you like blue sky and sunshine, there was plenty of that in aberystwyth in west wales. with that sunshine, is a mild air wafting west wales. with that sunshine, is a mild airwafting up. west wales. with that sunshine, is a mild air wafting up. close to aberystwyth got up to 16 degrees, plenty of other places not too far behind. the average for this time of year, more like 7—9d. temperatures weasel today significant higher than you might normally expect. we are where we had the share of the centre and across north england and wales. more cloud up north in the way of cloud, but that is starting to ease away. this evening is a nice many of us will have clear starry skies, a bit of extra cloud in the southwest and west wales and some for patches again, most especially across central and southern parts of the uk. that being said, the nights are quite long, temperatures were some of us still dipping to freezing or a touch below, so they could be a touch below, so they could be a touch of frost tomorrow morning. the potential for some fairly dense fog patches across parts of the west
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lens, and that it is in england and wales. as we go through the day, plenty of sunshine once again, quite breezy up to the north—west, lighter winds further south and east and those temperatures again, heading upwards. 13, 14, or maybe even 15 or 16 degrees. you may have noticed this cloud into the far north—west later in the day. that is tied in with a set of weather fronts, which will try to slide eastward as we go into the start of the weekend. so there is the potential for into the start of the weekend. so there is the potentialfor a into the start of the weekend. so there is the potential for a little bit of wet weather at times in western areas, but what we will keep, is this feat of warm, or at least mild airfrom keep, is this feat of warm, or at least mild air from the south. so, the weekend looks like this, mild and for many of us is looking dry, if not always sunny. there is the potential for some if not always sunny. there is the potentialfor some rain if not always sunny. there is the potential for some rain at times in the west. 0n potential for some rain at times in the west. on saturday, expect a bit more in the way of cloud. the base of the such unlikely to be found across parts of north—east england, north—east of scotland, may be some patchy rain into the far north—west of scotland, maybe northern ireland well. temperatures do well up in
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double digits at 12—14d. we ahead to sunday, is in scotland, is about england should stay dry, the potential for a weather front to slide its way from the rest were some outbreaks of rain but those temperatures still doing well for the time of year. 12—14d. this is bbc news. i'm ben brown. the headlines at 8. the ayes to the right, 258. ooh. the noes to left, 303. yeah! the governement has suffered another defeat over its brexit strategy — theresa may's motion had asked mps to support its approach to leaving the eu — it was defeated by 45 votes. it's the tenth time the government has been defeated in parliament on brexit — downing street had earlier warned that a defeat could damage the prime minister's negotiating position. the government cannot keep on ignoring parliament or ploughing
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