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hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. the labour leadership is warned that more mps could join the seven who have quit the party to sit as an independent group in parliament. the bbc has been told that at least two conservative mps are considering joining them too. we need to start listening, and that's what we'll do. i think we need a mammoth, massive listening exercise and address some of the criticisms made. we'll speak to labour voters and hearfrom derek hatton, who was expelled from the labour party in the 1980s as part of a purge of the hard left militant tendency. he says he's now been allowed to rejoin the party. we speak to alex skeel, who was told he was ten days away from death when he finally escaped a violent, controlling relationship with his girlfriend. she was the first woman in britain to be convicted of using coercive control in a relationship. he tells us how hard it is for people to walk away from such circumstances. ifi
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if i was to look to the camera now and say, talk, leave, that puts more pressure on them and could scare them away. and, mps call for clothing brands to be charged a penny for each garment they sell to tackle fast fashion. we'll hearfrom a designer who has built a clothing brand out of recycled materials. we can take all of those plastic bottles you are diligently putting in the recycling, they can be chipped, made into fibre and you can make them into material. this is made from old plastic bottles? exactly. the mps say we should all learn to make do and mend our clothes. we've challenged a group of students to do just that, and we'll have an update on their progress. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do you think the seven mps who have left the labour party were right to do so? are you excited or worried, about the idea that there might be a new group of mps sitting in parliament that might even turn into a new political party?
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let me know your thoughts on that and all the other stories we're talking about — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. here's annita mcveigh with a summary of the day's news. good morning, joanna. good morning, everyone. the japanese car maker honda has confirmed that it will close its plant in swindon in three years‘ time. the factory employs 3,500 people, and trade unions have described the closure as a shattering body blow. honda says that brexit is not to blame for the decision but the government says it is deeply disappointing the decision has been taken now. jeremy corbyn has been warned that he faces the prospect of more resignations by labour mps in protest at his leadership. seven backbenchers have left to sit as independents because of mr corbyn‘s handling of brexit and anti—semitism. last night, two conservative mps told the bbc that they too
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were considering leaving their party to join the group. there are calls for fashion producers to be charged a penny for every new item of clothes they make, to help improve collection and recycling rates. that's the view of mps, who say fast fashion — where clothes are made cheaply and quickly in response to trends — is a major contributor to greenhouse gases, pollution and over—use of water. it's believed the scheme could raise £35 million a year. we've challenged a group of students to live more sustainably for a month and will have an update on their progress later in the programme. a new rapid test for earlier diagnosis of sepsis has been developed by university of strathclyde researchers, which they say could save thousands of lives. a microelectrode device analyses the patient‘s blood, with results coming through in two—and—a—half minutes — current tests for sepsis can take up to 72 hours. it's estimated more than 50,000 people in the uk die every year from sepsis, which is a serious complication of an infection.
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several rail firms are reporting problems with pre—paid ticket collection from machines across the country. greater anglia, thameslink, sta nsted express, southeastern, scotrail and southern all confirmed the issue had been affecting passengers. national rail said people could collect their tickets from ticket offices. a spokesman from the rail delivery group, which represents train operators, said the problem was with one supplier of the machines and would not affect all machines across the country. 16 us states are suing the trump administration after the us president declared an emergency to raise funds for a mexican border wall. they argue that he doesn't have the authority to divert military funds for the project. president trump acted after congress granted him only a fraction of the billions of dollars he demanded. two tourists, one british and one french are missing in australia, sparking a large—scale police search. the alarm was raised when passers—by found items belonging
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to hugo palmer and erwan ferrieux, who are both 20, on a beach north of sydney yesterday. police discovered the pair's rental car near to shelly beach, but searches so far have not found any sign of the men. that is a summary of our main news this morning, back to you, joanna. a bit later in the programme we'll be talking to one of the researchers who has developed a new blood test for sepsis which can provide results in less than three minutes. we just heard about this in the news. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. more labour mps could quit the party, jeremy corbyn has been warned by some of his own mps. the leadership of the party has said they are disappointed after seven mps quit yesterday.
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the mps, who include former shadow ministers chuka umunna and luciana berger, have formed an independent group in parliament. the bbc has been told two tory mps are thinking aboutjoining the ex—labour mps‘ group. meanwhile derek hatton who was part of the hard—left militant tendency in the labour party in 1980s, says he has been allowed to rejoin the labour party. andy mcdonald is onjeremy corbyn‘s top team — he's the shadow transport secretary. hejoins us now. thank you he joins us now. thank you for joining us. how does the party now handle the situation it is in? with great care. and seriousness. we were incredibly saddened yesterday at so many levels, with seven colleagues leaving us. that was terribly sad, and in the mix we have luciana, who
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quite rightly has made complaints about the vile anti—semitic attacks made upon her, which has to be taken very, very seriously indeed. but i am also saddened that it makes the likelihood of sustaining a conservative government greater then it would had we stayed together as a cohesive unit with those seven members of parliament involved. it isa members of parliament involved. it is a difficult time, but we have to listen very, very carefully. but i say to those seven members, they as labour party candidates and perhaps they should be thinking about stepping down so we can have by—elections. —— they stood as labour party candidates. the people of those constituents wanted people to serve within the labour party, so
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i would ask them to think very quickly. is this a reflection of failure of leadership on the part of jeremy corbyn? accusations have been made in terms of anti—semitism and brexit, chuka umunna was asked, putting the issue of brexit to one side, what did he disagree with in the manifesto, and i don't think he could name anything. i am disappointed at the timing of this as well. as we head towards the 29th of march, these are very difficult days and we had to navigate through this and we have put up a position to the prime minister which we think isa to the prime minister which we think is a sensible british compromise which will reach consensus and agreement across the house with the moderate members of the conservative
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and —— conservative and labour parties. does this reflect on the leadership ofjeremy corbyn? parties. does this reflect on the leadership of jeremy corbyn? jeremy is very clearly reaching out to the prime minister at this most difficult time and giving a clear deed. iam difficult time and giving a clear deed. i am not sure that there is that much that dividesjeremy and those seven members of parliament who have left, and as we progress... really? you don't think that much divides them when they say labour has been hijacked by the machine politics of the hard left, it is facilitating brexit and has become institutionally anti—semitic?” reject that allegation entirely. we must remember that one instance of anti—semitism is much too much and we must do everything in our power
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to co nfro nt we must do everything in our power to confront it and deal with it promptly. significant progress is being made in that respect. i know people have been very... not inpatient but disappointed up the pace of progress, rightly so. this has been going on for a very long time. far, far too long, which is why i was pleased thatjennie formby, in taking up her position as general secretary, took forward the recommendations of the czech ability report and have pointed to an internal cancel, increase the numbers of people dealing with these matters and streamlined the position so in several days i am aware of a member of the party having been suspended summarily for a clear and obvious incident of anti—semitism. that is one indication of the progress i think we are making. i would like you to bear in mind that the complaints received represent
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less tha n the complaints received represent less than 0.01% of the membership of the party. so to say we are institutionally anti—semitic, i think that is wrong and i think, certainly, i would think that is wrong and i think, certainly, iwould not think that is wrong and i think, certainly, i would not be a member ofa certainly, i would not be a member of a party that was institutionally racist in any way whatsoever. young labour tweeted that the seven are cowards and traitors, do you agree? that is an appropriate language. we are all disappointed that they have left, they went into the 2017 election labour party manifesto. —— thatis election labour party manifesto. —— that is inappropriate language. i am yet to hear what they disagree with on the manifesto and their constituents expected them to serve as labour party mps. we are all democrats and i am sure they will recognise the validity of going back to the people in their own
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constituencies and seeking their endorsement for the decision they had nature. if they are confident in their position, that is exactly what they would do. derek hatton back in they would do. derek hatton back in the labour party, some are saying it is an indictment of a party that they feel they do not recognise any more? derek hatton was expelled by the labour party 33 years ago. i'm afraid he is not top of my agenda. when i came to westminster yesterday i left a drop—in session at my constituency for the homeless and destitute, i am constituency for the homeless and destitute, iam more constituency for the homeless and destitute, i am more concerned dutch michael gove it might not be top of your agenda, but what do you think about it? i am more concerned about the austerity wreaking havoc in other country. one individual in a party of over half a million people,
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ido party of over half a million people, i do not have any control over that, he has been subject to the processes andi he has been subject to the processes and i am not in any position to opine on this. we have processes in place, an application has been made and taken forward. i know you are saying it is not top of your list of priorities, are you glad he is back in the party? derek will speak for himself, he does not need an endorsement or condemnation from me. ido endorsement or condemnation from me. i do not have a view on each and every member of the party, it is not possible. sorry, he is particularly high profile and he is totemic. possible. sorry, he is particularly high profile and he is totemiclj think derek will readily accept he was a high—profile figure 33 years ago. i get the impression that he simply wants to join the labour party. his application has been processed and if he is a member of the labour party, that is the
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position we are in. i cannot comment further, derek will speak for himself and i will be interested to hear what he has to say. andy mcdonald, thank you. let's talk to derek hatton, who joins us from liverpool. why did you want to go back into the party? i think that was an endorsement, i could not quite work out. why do i want to go back? in a way, i have never left. i have not formally been a member for 31 years, but for 31 years i have never joined, never campaigned and never voted for any other party. don't get me wrong, i have been very tempted at times, particularly during the iraq warand at times, particularly during the iraq war and stuff where you think, andi iraq war and stuff where you think, and i really supporting the right party? but nonetheless i have always been a great believer and still and that the labour party is the political wing of the trade union movement, that is how i was brought up movement, that is how i was brought up andi movement, that is how i was brought up and i have never changed. i am
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now a member again, up and i have never changed. i am nowa memberagain, but up and i have never changed. i am now a member again, but i have still thought the cause. some reaction from some labour mps, ian austin says it is unbelievable and disgraceful, ian murray says it is a slap in the face. sometimes comments i made that do not warrant a response. the reality is what amazes me is that yesterday seven labour and resigned from the party, seven mps who only 18 months ago stood on the labour party ma nifesto ago stood on the labour party manifesto which increased the vote and got them increased votes. now suddenly they decide they do not agree. i have not heard a single thing they disagree with. the only pa rt thing they disagree with. the only part of their manifesto they have heard is that they are anti—corbyn, as far as heard is that they are anti—corbyn, as farasi heard is that they are anti—corbyn, as far as i am concerned, and i have talked to many people in liverpool, who all believe, even though some
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had some sympathy with luciana, they all believe she should resign because she is elected as the labour mp, she is no longer a labour mp, she should resign and stand as an independent. in terms of your decisionjoin independent. in terms of your decision join specifically now, you had said you were tempted at times in the past, hasjeremy corbyn in particular made you do it? without question, i am very excited by him. when i think about leaders from harold wilson right through, i am probably most excited now about the future than i ever have been. the vice is your party electable with this splitting going on? if there was an election now, how would labour manage with what is happening with the party? i think it is probably more electable than for a long time. there will be a hiccup over the seven and it will cause some confusion in peoples minds, but they will realise the issue is not about whether these seven people are in or out, it is about the manifesto
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we have, the leadership, the activists we have in the party. they will get people knocking on their door and talking to them in a way they understand, and for that they will vote labour. would you stand for office? i have no desire. the face we are all familiar with politicians who have no plans at the moment! the reality is i cannot possibly see it. history shows that parties win when they are in the centre ground, labour it is not in the centre ground. history shows parties lose in the centre ground. for the first time ever the clear distinction between tory and labour... there is a tory party in power where austerity is the abc of what they do, and for that reason people are saying that is not what we want. we have a tory party who believe, and always have, that the
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poor are too rich and the rich are too poor. that is the reality of their belief. it is not about whether they are centre, i think people are starting to see that the labour party has a real option to the tories, who are probably the most ruthless, ineffective tory party i had seen in 50 years. derek hatton, thank you. alastair campbell worked as downing street's director of communications under tony blair. where are you joining us from? i am not sure! we have the seven leaving, derek hatton back, what are your thoughts on labour today?” derek hatton back, what are your thoughts on labour today? i think you have heard from the last two contributions that there has to be an acceptance that this is not a good place for the labour party to be. we know in our own lives that if you have problems you have to admit to them and address them. so to take
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them one by one, anti—semitism, there is no point pretending, as len mccluskey did yesterday, that this isa mccluskey did yesterday, that this is a contrivance. it is real, it has to be addressed and better than it has been addressed thus far. the second point about brexit, there is a real sense that millions of people in this country —— a real sense among millions of people in this country that the leaders of both parties are saying that brexit has to happen whatever the cost or consequence. that is a real issue. and derek hatton saying labour has never been more electable, angela rayner said last night that the country elect —— united behind the ma nifesto. country elect —— united behind the manifesto. labour lost the last election and they had to win new support by win eight, and you do not win new support by celebrating the losses of mps. i think you have to admit that problems are real and have the strategy to address them. it does not seem to me that that is
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happening. do you support the seven who have left? i am less interested ina new who have left? i am less interested in a new party than a new vote on brexit, because the fundamental problem is brexit. you have millions of people feeling they are not being spoken for in parliament and these mps, i understand why they had done what they had done, i listen to them andi what they had done, i listen to them and i could see that frankly they had reached the end of their tether, and somebody like luciana i understand it. i find and somebody like luciana i understand it. ifind it hard to imagine mike gates being anywhere but the labour party but i see why they have reached that. given we are just a few weeks away, potentially, from leaving the european union without a clue as to what will happen next, with the most incompetent government and prime minister i think we have ever seen, and yet the labour party still not giving a sense that they are a government in waiting, i think mps,
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leaders in their own way, they had to face up to what is happening in the country and millions of people are saying we do not believe in this brexit deal, we do not believe a jobs first brexit as promised by labour even exists, and we want to tuck -- and we want... sorry to interrupt, but i haven't some of these mps left because they do not agree withjeremy corbyn on brexit? you are saying exactly what you want, but we are in the situation we are in and the labour party has the policy is that it's got. that is true, and! policy is that it's got. that is true, and i think that one of the effects of what they had done yesterday is to make the labour front bench realise that this slightly facing both ways and brexit will not hold. we have the prime minister going off to see
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jean—claude juncker, we have minister going off to see jean—claudejuncker, we have these phantom negotiations between the two front benches, phantom negotiations about changing the withdrawal agreement, a few weeks away from not knowing our economic or political future. this is crazy stuff. i will not condemn them for what they had done, nor will i support them. i will simply say that we all have to do what we think we can do to make a contribution. i believe the best thing that can happen now is the outcome of these negotiations, the brexit negotiations, is put to the people. i am brexit negotiations, is put to the people. iam putting my brexit negotiations, is put to the people. i am putting my energies to try to help organise a put it to the people march on march the 23rd, so the people who do not understand how politics has taken us to this precipice and want to see real leadership, whetherfrom the government, the labour party, from parliament, there has to be real leadership that stops this madness thatis
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leadership that stops this madness that is taking us, frankly... are you still a member of the labour party? | you still a member of the labour party? i am. it has been challenging at times, but i am still a member of the labour party and i do not like the labour party and i do not like the way that both of the main parties say eight out of ten people voted in the last election. i voted labour, in part to stop theresa may getting a mandate of hajj brexit. that is successful and she does not have a mandate for that. i now hope that the labour party will follow through on the logic of its own policy. they have set tests for brexit which have not been met by theresa may, they said they would then float down the deal if it did not meet the tests, it was voted down, they said they would try to get a general election, that has not happened, now they should be
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campaigning openly and actively to get this back to the people, and the british people can decide whether this car crash, complete mess, this fiasco, the brexit of theresa may's deal, will go ahead. what do labour supporters make of all this? let's talk to 0lga fitzroy who lives she's sad he has left the labour party. ella taylor quit the labour party over anti—semitism in the summer. she thinks something had to change and supports the mps leaving the party. kira lewis is a student and labour member and a supporter ofjeremy corbyn, and thinks that the mps shouldn t have quit. benjamin michna became a labour party member because he liked jeremy corbyn. he thinks the party is doing the right thing on anti—semitism and brexit. aulika, chuka umunna plasma constituency, tell us more about what he has done? i am very disappointed and sad that they had felt they had had to leave. it is a
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wake—up call that felt they had had to leave. it is a wa ke—up call that seven felt they had had to leave. it is a wake—up call that seven mps have felt the need to leave the party. so you support him? i think it is the wrong decision but we have to listen to why he has left, and why luciana has left. would you want a by—election? has left. would you want a by-election? yes, he stood on a labour manifesto, but the more important things we are facing our brexit and getting a labour government. would you vote for chuka umunna as an independent candidate? i would vote for a labour candidate. the face hello, what did you think when you saw this unfolding? i think it is incredibly sad that a jewish woman feel she can be a member of a national party any longer, but it gave me hope because maybe this is the push the labour party needs. while it is not a moment to celebrate, it could be a
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force for good. in terms of labour isa force for good. in terms of labour is a false, is it weakened by losing these mps? if there was a snap election, what with the implications be? these are seven fantastic candidates, particularly luciana. she campaigned tirelessly for mental health and has been crucial in the fight against anti—semitism, but as ajewish fight against anti—semitism, but as a jewish woman it is not her responsibility to fight her own battle, we do not expect ethnic minorities to do that, we need the party to do that. it is a loss on the front of national and domestic politics and also on anti—semitism. kira, you supportjeremy corbyn?” support him that i want a labour government, but i agree that people should not have to support the fight their own battles that way. i disagree chuck umunna, i think if we wa nt disagree chuck umunna, i think if we want change in the labour party we
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should fight for that, especially around brexit. do you agree with jeremy corbyn‘s policies? there are concerns he is facilitating brexit, the party has not been effective opposition? it is not about his policies, it is the party policies, and party policy says all options should be kept on the table, including a second referendum, a people's vote. ultimately that it's in theirline to people's vote. ultimately that it's in their line to be delivered and hopefully this is the sorted step forward that means he will take steps towards that. benjamin, what is your view? i do not think their rationale makes sense. 0n brexit he is being a committed democrat, following through the vote and making it as action. his letter to theresa may was a compromise down the middle, asaph brexit, a customs union which should satisfy remainers, the eu described it as a heavenly solution, so it makes no
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sense. they had done more than any other party to tackle anti—semitism. the chakra barti report other party to tackle anti—semitism. the chakrabarti report has proven they have acted quite vociferously on this. issues have arisen for labour over various things jeremy corbyn has said on the record. on the failure of the party to embrace the failure of the party to embrace the international course remembrance alliance definition of anti—semitism. alliance definition of anti-semitism. they were the first party to adopt it. not in its entirety? they did eventually. there was some debate over why some of the exa m ples was some debate over why some of the examples needed to be in there, i think that is a wordy debate, but they have moved more on this issue than any other party, but we do not see tories or lib dems being criticised in the same way. see tories or lib dems being criticised in the same waylj
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see tories or lib dems being criticised in the same way. i guess you might be too young to remember the previous breakaway from the labour party, there is lots of talk of history repeating itself and what happens when mps break away from the mainstream is just to happens when mps break away from the mainstream isjust to diminish happens when mps break away from the mainstream is just to diminish the party and make it unelectable going forward. while any of you particularly concerned with the history of what has gone before? ultimately people who were not sure what to vote at that time voted sdlp, said meant that she would not have got as many votes as she could have got as many votes as she could have done. —— so it meant that thatcher would not have got as many votes as she could have. we could go for another centrist party and wonder how it differs from the lib dems, which they could have voted for beforehand. it might adjust some french voters but we need to take a step forward as a labour party, as john mcdonald are saying we need to properly listen to members. —— it
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might adjust some fringe voters. we need to put forward a united front, listen to mps who left and try to prevent it from happening again. what would be an effective way of the party indicating it is listening? a blood we need to follow through on the conference policy, we have tried the options of calling for a general election, the blow having a compromise including a customs union, so pushing for a people's vote feels like the only other option. you were all nodding at that point, is that where you are?” you were all nodding at that point, is that where you are? i find it difficult to comment, the current proposals byjeremy corbyn are not what we voted for in 2017, ultimately a people's vote feels like the best option moving forward. if you want to vote on the final deal it implies the public would have to read a 600 page withdrawal agreement. the referendum we had was
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agreement. the referendum we had was a binary choice of in or out, we decided the earth and we played parliament to work out of the hell, they are full time employed to do that and i do not think it is realistic to ask the public to make that kind of the decision. only the prime minister can call a second referendum and tried the ballot, so she would decide what is on the ballot. thank you all forjoining me. let us know your thoughts. still to come. we speak to alex skeel, who was told he was ten days away from death when he escaped a violent, controlling relationship with his girlfriend. she was the first woman in britain to be convicted of using coercive control in a relationship. he speaks to us alongside the police officer who helped him realise he was being abused and, as mps call for clothing brands to be charged a penny for each garment they sell to tackle fast fashion, we'll speak to a designer who has built a clothing brand out of recycled materials. honda has confirmed this morning that it will close its swindon plant —
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with the loss of thousands ofjobs. the factory will shut in 2021 — with trade unions describing the news as a shattering blow. the business secretary greg clark said the decision is deeply disappointing. the plant opened in 1989, and has been at the heart of swindon for 30 years, in total 3,500 are employed at the factory. every year, 160,000 honda civic cars are built there and 90% of the products made in swindon are exported to the eu and us. this morning, the senior vice president of honda in europe said brexit was not a reason for the factory closure. brexit, as well as the european partnership agreement, it is not something that has been part of this decision. what this decision is being driven by is a combination really of two factors. one, 2021 is the date at which the new civic will start production. and, two, is that we have to start to make that decision now. now, overlay that with the strategic change we are
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talking about and we need to put the civic in the category of that electrification change, so that means where we put the investment next, the civic needs to follow and that's why we are looking today at those very big market places and that's where we'll start production. we have been talking to some of the workers at the plant in swindon for their reaction. my wife works here, my brother works here, my cousin works here, trying to think now, loads of us, her dad, her stepdad, her brother, her brother works in the canteen, her other brother is a chef at the canteen. there are about 12 people from ourfamily chef at the canteen. there are about 12 people from our family that work here. good friends work here who i know have just had babies and bought houses and you feel for these people. i feel for everyone, houses and you feel for these people. ifeelfor everyone, i really do. even the management that spoke to us inside, you can see it in theirfaces, spoke to us inside, you can see it in their faces, they are just as shocked as everybody else. our correspondent jonty bloom is here. we are told it is not to do with
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brexit, explain what is going on here. the company has been clear it is not to do with brexit and it is also not to do with brexit and it is also not to do with the new trade deal between the eu and japan also because that makes cars manufactured injapan because that makes cars manufactured in japan cheaper to import because that makes cars manufactured injapan cheaper to import into the eu and they say that is not a factor either, which is surprising. what it is about is electrification. new car models will have to be hybrids or electric from now on, the industry has seen the wind is changing and that's the way it is going. but this is still a massive disappointment for britain because the government has also seen that coming, trying to put a great deal of money and research into electric vehicles to encourage manufacturers to do it here and it doesn't seem to be working, which is why this swindon plant will close and move to japan. more widely in the motor industry, there have been closures. just give us there have been closures. just give usa there have been closures. just give us a picture of the state of the motoring industry in this country now. it is not doing particularly well, this plant alone is 10% of uk car production and that's going on a couple of years. jaguar land rover
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has been hit really by the change to diesel. it put an awful lot of money into diesel cars and that turned out to bea into diesel cars and that turned out to be a bad bet because we had all this stuff about emissions and so on, that has badly affected them. and we are seeing nissan in sunderland removing a new model which we were expecting to go there in coming years. that's now not going to go there as well. so they are having trouble, not necessarily closing plants, but finding new models and new work to put into these plants and that's a problem for the whole industry. it is not just the car plants themselves, they arejust just the car plants themselves, they are just the just the car plants themselves, they arejust the final just the car plants themselves, they are just the final assembly, there are just the final assembly, there are three orfour times are just the final assembly, there are three or four times as many people making the parts and components and transporting them to these plants that are employed in these plants that are employed in the uk as well. thank you, jonty. a new rapid test for earlier diagnosis of sepsis has been developed by researchers at the university of strathclyde in glasgow. they say the test, which sees results coming through in two—and—a—half minutes, could save thousands of lives. sepsis is believed to kill more than 50,000 people in the uk every year and happens when the body
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over—reacts to an infection. let's speak now to dr andrew ward who is a research associate at the university of strathclyde in glasgow. he's one of the researchers who worked on developing this new test for sepsis. thank you forjoining us. it can be tested for in two and a half minutes. how does sepsis currently get tested for? what difference would attest like that make? the challenge with sepsis at the moment as it is very much based on the diagnosis from symptoms, so a blood test to test for sepsis can take up to three days to provide a result, which is really far too long, so clinicians have to make a decision based on the information that's in front of them. a test like this would allow us to detect the presence of sepsis much earlier and inform treatment and get people started on treatment much faster. so it could save thousands of lives, you think? yes, i think so. because,
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every hour that somebody has sepsis that isn't treated increases the likelihood of serious consequences, multi—organ failure, and death. likelihood of serious consequences, multi—organ failure, and deathm sepsis a growing problem? wejust seem to hear more and more about it. i think it's increasingly more recognised as a problem, which i think is good and important. i think that the other problem surrounding this is around antimicrobial resista nce this is around antimicrobial resistance and the resistance that bacteria have to the drugs that we use to treat them. if we use antibiotics unnecessarily then we reduce the length of time that the drugs we have will remain effective. having a test like this ensures that people who don't need to have antibiotics don't get them, which is for the benefit of everybody really. so, you've developed the test but it's not available now. i think you've got one there, maybe you could hold it up to show us to see
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what it is like. it is quite small. yeah, it is quite small. how long could it be before that is rolled out? so, probably 3-5 years depending on future funding to support the project. yeah, 3—5 yea rs. support the project. yeah, 3—5 years. ok, june on e-mail says i'm a volunteer for sepsis uk and years. ok, june on e-mail says i'm a volunteerfor sepsis uk and my husband died from sepsis and was seen by two gps and paramedics and it wasn't picked up, this device is long—awaited and a terrific breakthrough. thank you forjoining us. doctor andrew ward. when alex skeel arrived in hospital after neighbours had called the police to report a row with his female partner, he says doctors told him he was "ten days away from death". a court later heard that his female partner, jordan worth, who was 22, subjected him to multiple physical injuries, denied him food and isolated him from his family. worth was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison for gbh, wounding with intent and coercive control. she became the first woman in the uk
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to be convicted of the offence of "coercive control" — which is defined as a pattern of behaviour which seeks to take away a victim's sense of freedom. alex's story has been made into a bbc three documentary. he's been talking to samira ahmed, alongside the police officer who helped alex to realise he was being abused. we'll hear from them both in a moment — but first here's a clip from the film — where alex explains his injuries. that's where i got burnt, there. my scars tell a story. that's a stab wound there. and then that's a stab wound there. there's just loads and loads and loads and loads of marks and they were all caused by hammers just constantly being whacked on my shins. and my whole head's got just divots and scars. when did the, sort
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of, problems start? was it noticeable to you? not really, no... i wasn't. .. it was very foggy, to be honest. you've not got a clear... it's a lot of pressure on yourself to do the right thing. you can never... for instance, if i was to cook the dinner, it would be "you're rubbish at cooking," or if i wasn't to cook the dinner it would be, "oh, why don't you cook?" so you could never, you're never right, it was that sort of situation, you just end up being a robot and being controlled intojust being a completely different person. physically, you were badly injured. you lost a lot of weight. can you talk about what happened? basically, the last nine months when we were living in our own place, she started off hitting me with glass bottles and then it went to a hammer.
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and then it was almost like when i got used to a certain amount of pain she would ramp it up to the next and eventually it'll led to the next and eventually it led to being stabbed and slashed, and then boiling water was thrown over me on two occasions. i should say, you've said you are all right to show us your injuries, because obviously there was stuff poured on you and you were attacked on your hands and arms, weren't you? yes, the hand, i think two tendons in that hand were completely severed in half and in that one it was just one so they had to operate, like, four weeks later, because she refused all treatment for me. they had to basically reconstruct my whole hand, pretty much. and then here, i was stabbed there as well. very close to your vein. it's terrifying to think. i'm sure a doctor told me that at some point, that
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at some point, if it was, like, a centimetre to whatever position it could have hit the main artery and eight minutes it took the police and everyone to come, i would have been dead before then. can we talk about the police involvement? ed finn, alex does credit you really with saving him. i gather there were two calls from neighbours reporting a domestic incident. how important was that? i think that was what gave us the opportunity to sort of influence the situation, really. it was so important that the neighbours made that call. when they did call us we attended and alex was telling us that he did cause the injuries to himself. he was reporting that he had severe mental health problems and had outbursts of self— harm. and he reported to us that that was how the injuries had been sustained. and the second call from the neighbours really gave us the opportunity to pull at the threads of that story and to challenge it and be able to get to the bottom of it. i know the documentary that's been made about your experience did feature one of those 999 calls.
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let's have a listen. at the time, i was a front line response police constable and we got a 999 call for a domestic disturbance between a man and a woman called in by neighbours. police, how can i help? there's a couple and it sounds like they're having a really, really bad fight. he's shouting, "i'm sorry, it's not my fault. get off me. leave me alone. stop hurting me." we arrived. we had to do quite a bit of knocking and, "police, open the door!" shouting, and eventuallyjordan came to the door and she looked fine. you know, she was sort of casually dressed and it didn't look dressed and didn't look dishevelled or anything, and she straight away said, "there's been a problem.
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alex has hurt himself." the fact that you're both speaking out about this, there will be people watching who perhaps... you said you didn't realise quite what situation you were in and even said when the police first turned up that you'd been self harming. what could you say to people who might be watching who might be in that situation themselves? i think the main thing is for them to realise that they're not alone. but since i've done a lot of work i've realised that you can never tell someone to just leave. i think the important thing is really for society to learn that it happens because when you're a victim of anything, and that is any victim, you're under so much pressure that if i was to look down the camera now and say, "talk, leave," that puts more pressure on them, and i think that could scare them away. i think that it's down to society to realise that it happens to men, and then eventually it will become easier for men to talk about it, and there has been a few steps taken, i think, there is 100 million more to do,
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there's a lot more to do. ed, can you tell it a bit more about how you managed to get alex out of this situation? i took alex outside the property, completely into the car, turned off my body—worn video camera and said, "look, you know, it'sjust you and me in the car now and, you know, the cameras are off. you need to tell me what's going on." and then, thankfully, after a bit of sort of toing and froing he did and then we were able to arrest jordan, take her into custody, and the emerald team at the police did a greatjob securing the conviction. i think we have a bit of footage from the police interview with her. so, what were you doing? tell me about the knife. how far do you think the knife went in, jordan? the fact that alex is a man and it's relatively under—reported,
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do you think it may have made a difference, might there have been delays in recognising a case like alex's? yeah, definitely. i think, even back to when i sort of had my initial domestic abuse training when ijoined the police, it was then generally quite focused around a male offender and a female victim. and actually, a lot of what alex has done is a challenge that sort done is challenge that sort of stereotype that we have, or we had, to have that recognition that actually the abuse happens in any type of relationship, whether it's man on woman, or lgbt relationships, or whatever it may be. alex, you look so much better. how do you feel about where you are in life? and i must say, asking you to relive this experience, i'm conscious it must be difficult and we really appreciate you doing it. but, where are you and how do you feel about the future now? well, i'm in a much better place, obviously. and having seen the documentary, obviously i knew the injuries
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are sustained and the pain i was in and everything. but i think what comes across is how different my personality is. i could never have imagined doing anything like this, like, six years ago, but i feel it's changed me into a better person. i understand so many things that i didn't understand. and, i can use it as an experience to help so many people. it is starting to happen but there's a long way to go so that sort a long way to go so that's sort of the challenge now. i said before a refuge would be a good idea. i've kind of realised that that's quite difficult but it's something that i'll try to achieve because there's hardly any around and i think there's 27 in the whole country. there's none in the south—east where i'm from and none in london, and i find that amazing, that there's nothing in london, which is one of the best cities in the world and there's nothing for a man.
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you can see the full documentary telling alex's remarkable story tonight on bbc one at 10:45pm — it's also on iplayer now. and if you've been affected by the issues we've been discussing this morning and would like details of organisations which offer advice and support you can go to bbc.co.uk/actionline. a group of mps who sit on parliament's environmental audit committee have released a report on the sustainability of the fashion industry. they have concluded that so—called fast fashion is a major contributor to greenhouse gases, water pollution, air pollution and overuse of water. and they recommend that clothing brands and retailers pay a penny on every garment they sell to fund a £35 million annual recycling scheme, and that schoolchildren should be taught to repair their own clothes and be encouraged to wear old ones. the report also says some uk—based fashion factories are not paying the minimum wage and it singles out some specific companies for criticism. our reporter michael cowan has been looking into this issue and joins me now.
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a bit like fast food, it is something that has taken off and become entrenched now, isn't it? it is everywhere, fast fashion, on the high street. it is enormous and we are wasting so many clothes every yearin are wasting so many clothes every year in this country. i think for women the average life of a garment is seven words, which is crazy. this report is trying to reverse some of that, singling out some brands, boo—hoo, amazon, tk max, doing very little, but also points to other things the industry as a whole needs to do. —— seven wears. the government has a sustainable clothing action plan and it is volu nta ry clothing action plan and it is voluntary and brands can sign up and looks for ways for the fashion industry to reduce its environmental impact but as i said it is volu nta ry. impact but as i said it is voluntary. what the report calls for is that should be made mandatory for all retailers with a turnover in excess of £36 million. this report looked at workers' rights because thatis looked at workers' rights because that is a big part of fashion's
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sustainability and singled out high—end brands like versace and footwear brand foot locker amongst others and saying they are two brands who don't comply with the modern slavery act. what they are asking for is for the law to be updated to include mandatory disclosures on modern slavery by 2022. there was one brand we contacted, we contacted a number of high street and online brands to talk about sustainability in all of them refused to accept h&m, the world's second largest clothing retailer. 35% of their clothes are made sustainably, using sustainable fabrics, organic cottons and dyes and chemicals that are less harmful to the environment. they also have recycled schemes in all of their stores, so you and i can take in a bag and that will be recycled. but currently it is roughly 1% of their range made using recycled materials so that needs to be slightly better. we meant to meet the head of uk sustainability to talk about their
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sustainability to talk about their sustainability strategies. some campaigners have called your programmes, your programmes on sustainability, recycling, they've described those programmes as green—washing and they say that you do those programmes, they're very glossy, well marketed because you want to distract from the actual environmental impact that, as the world's second largest clothing retailer, you are having on the planet. what do you say to those accusations of green—washing? we would absolutely deny accusations of green—washing. we've been working with sustainability and we have a very robust strategy for over 20 years. we have a production office teams that are based in every single country that we produce in and within those teams there is a little mini sustainability department. so, in 2015 i think the figure was that 1% of all garments across the h&m ranges were made from recycled materials. what is that figure today? i can't actually give you that figure because we haven't actually got them ourselves yet. so, we are waiting for our 2018 sustainability report which will contain that figure. but what i can tell
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you is that it's probably not a huge jump. the technology that we need to enable you to recycle cotton so that it gives you a new material that's strong enough and durable enough to make a product that is of the quality we would be happy selling is not there yet. how far away is that technology? it's there. the technology exists but it doesn't exist to scale. if consumers bought less and they started rejecting this fast fashion model and they said, "0k, we want to buy less and we want to buy better," ultimately, are you going to cut down on the amount of product you offer? no, we're not going to cut down on the amount of product we offer. we are going to ensure that the product that we do offer is made in the most sustainable way. we do respond to consumer demand and our goal is to produce better clothes for our customers. we want everybody to have access to sustainable fashion, to sustainable clothes. joining me now is mary creagh mp, the environmental audit committee chair calling on the government to make fashion retailers take responsibility for the waste they create. alice wilby, is a sustainable fashion stylist who has been working
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in sustainable fashion since 2009 and co—founded novel beings, the world's first sustainable style agency. and marcus rudd, a student from loughborough university who is one of six students who live together in a student house who are taking part in our sustainability challenge. we're asking them to find ways to live more sustainably over a month. he is wearing charity shop clothing today, as an i, top to toe charity. that is one way to be sustainable but let's talk more about what we we re but let's talk more about what we were hearing about from h&m specifically. one of the issues obviously is the amount of stuff being produced and h&m saying they are not going to produce less. what do you think about that? fashion is a volume driven market were based on the principle that if you make one you have broken even, if you make and sell two you have made a profit so you can get rid of the other eight with zero consequences and thatis eight with zero consequences and that is a model we think is
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fundamentally broken. we know we have 12 years to tackle devastating climate change. all industries have to get to net zero emissions by 2050. we think fashion has been marking its own homework for far too long. and only ten major retailers are signed up to the government's sustainable clothing action plan. we think at the bare minimum that should be their licence to operate. so you want to hit them in the pocket. 1p on each garment, set up the systems and processes like they have in h&m to take back clothing and repurposed clothing. we had arcadian, they had 2500 shops, one take—back scheme in oxford circus andi take—back scheme in oxford circus and i bet nobody goes to oxford circus to recycle their garments. they are living in a consequence free word and fashion has a bigger carbon footprint than aviation and shipping put together. in the uk we buy more clothes than in any other european country, we wear them less
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and we are basically destroying our planet in the process. alice, a bigger carbon footprint from fashion than aviation and shipping put together. people might be really surprised to hear that. because it is not something that is talked about in the same way as those polluting industries. no, it is shocking, and i think we often only get to see the beautiful glitzy exterior of the final end product, the result of the marketing and advertising that is put together to sell us this beautiful dream of these fantastic products and everybody wants to buy into being happy and looking good and feeling good about themselves. but when that is ultimately causing all of this environmental impact and destroying the planet and world we live on it is very problematic, there is nothing beautiful and exciting about that at all. how to persuade people to change habits? it is very tempting to keep going to the shops when things are cheap and keep refreshing your wardrobe. we were hearing from mike, people wearing
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clothes an average of seven times each. before you buy, think about wearing it 30 times and also think about the lives of people who make your clothes. one of the shocking parts of this enquirer was to discover not only is no systematic labour abuse in the countries that produced fast fashion —— inquiry. that are overseas, bangladesh, pakistan and burma, but also in our own country in leicester, we have 10,000 garment workers and we had some women are paid at —— make as little as £3 50 per hour. we want people to demand more from the brands they love and to wear it more. some of the psychological research is fascinating, you get a buzz when you have bought something for three days and then it sits in your wardrobe. my mother has kept her wedding dress that she was 30 yea rs her wedding dress that she was 30 years ago and she made my first holy communion dress and my daughter's. she was wearing fabric that was 50
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yea rs she was wearing fabric that was 50 years old. think about your own story and heritage. marcus, we have got you along as part of your challenge. just explain what you have been up to. so, basically, i bought a wardrobe from a charity shop, and also i repaired something that i had broken. what did you repair? it was like an indian night gown sort of thing but my grandma bought it for me and i really like it. what was the repair you had to do, and how do you ever used needle and thread prior to doing that? so, we got it done but it was, like, under... i'm looking nervously at alice. we issued the students are challenged to repair, reuse and re cycle a nd challenged to repair, reuse and recycle and the idea was to go into their wardrobes, find something that had been ripped or torn, or was broken, that they really loved but they were not using because it wasn't in working order to get repaired. so after we got the item repaired. so after we got the item repaired we then took them second hand shopping to get them to buy second—hand hand shopping to get them to buy second— hand clothes to hand shopping to get them to buy second—hand clothes to make the rest of the outfit up and this was really
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interesting for marcus because he had never been second hand shopping before, only bought designer labels, so before, only bought designer labels, so in the course of that week we encouraged him and he has is wearing what he bought off his own back without any coercion. we are following up on the challenge. check out the website as well and stay in touch and let us know what you think about the issues we have been talking about today. i will see you at the same time tomorrow. have a nice afternoon. hi bye. for many there is further sunshine to come today but also some showers in this forecast, particularly across parts of scotland and northern england, scattering of showers for parts of wales and parts of south—west england, and all the while turning increasingly wet and windy across northern ireland through the rest of the day. the best sunshine further south and east, temperatures are recovering to 11 or 12 celsius in east anglia and south—east england after a frosty start, more like nine or ten in scotla nd start, more like nine or ten in scotland and northern ireland come
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up scotland and northern ireland come up quitea scotland and northern ireland come up quite a breezy day in the winds will strengthen as the rain pushes across northern ireland and extends into scotland and northern england through this evening and overnight. patchy across north wales and further south it will stay mainly dry, some heavy and persistent rain across parts of north—west england and western scotland but it will be and western scotland but it will be a much milder night, low of around six or seven celsius. still some rain tomorrow across scotland, northern ireland, northern england for a time northern ireland, northern england fora time and northern ireland, northern england for a time and through the afternoon across wales, the driest weather the further south and east you are, overall, quite a cloudy day but increasingly mild, temperatures up to 12 or 13 celsius tomorrow. bye— bye. you re watching bbc newsroom live ? it's11am, and these are the main stories this morning.
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japanese car giant honda confirms it plans to shut its swindon factory in 2021 with the loss of 3,500 jobs — saying it needs to invest in a changing marketplace. this is a move towards electrification, we started to see it in europe, we started to see it around the world and it is in response to what our consumers are looking at and also on legislation —— back on what legislation is driving us towards. i have been getting reaction from workers in swindon who say they are devastated by the news. the shadow chancellor admits labour needs to conduct a "massive listening exercise" — after seven mps quit the party yesterday and warned that more may yet leave. figures released this morning show record numbers of people are in work, unemployment is at its

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