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their no—frills collection is 100% sustainable. she's invited the students to her show at london fashion week. what exactly does 100% sustainability mean? that's the whole supply chain in the making of that fabric and that garment. hello, it's friday, it's 10 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. while shamima begum's family have said they will fight to get her and five—day—old son back we also wanted to to britain, look at how far your garment travels. despite the home i think the average they say secretary stripping her is five countries for every garment you buy each stage of her british citizenship, that you go through, this grandfather from east london you have to send it is desperately trying to get his two—year—old grandson back from the war zone in syria. to you have to package it up each time, ship it, send it, fuel, energy. you look shocked by labour mp for dudley north, the number of countries. mad, the number of countries. ian austin, says he is we would love to see legislation quitting the party, but says he has no plans for your labels and garment notjust to join the new independent to say made in italy or wherever group in the commons. we'll have reaction. it's a warning has been issued about some over the counter teeth whitening from, we would like to say kits like these. according to a new study, if you use them, you could be could reducing the hardness grown in, finished in, of your teeth enamel. we'll bring you the story. and would you take on the challenge
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of living a more sustainable life, thinking about the impact of everything you eat and buy definitely. and do on the planet? six loughborough students who live together have agreed to try it for a month on this programme. challenge one — can you make greener decisions about the clothes you buy? how many t—shirts do you think you buy a year? probably about ten, 15. it takes up to about 3,000 litres of water to make one cotton t—shirt, and that's about as much water as we drink in three years, and you are buying 10—15 of them per year. here are the outfits. have a look at that's a huge amount, 3,000? this because it looks stunning. talk me through it. we went through the i thought you were going to say i was doing really well, to be honest. wardrobes, as you saw, pulled out a i'm not going to lie! couple of eyepieces they loved, and two of the students took up this is the top that we have layered the challenge to wear an entirely underneath address, how cheap was recycled outfit to london fashion week. we will find out how they got on. it? £10. comparable in price with one of the dresses that gobi would buy from a fast fashion retailer but does not have the environmental impact because it is recycled. it cost about £20 to repair, quite a lot of work needed doing and we took
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hello. it somewhere to take care of it welcome to the programme. properly but this is from india, it is friday, always good news. brought back by marcus‘ grandmother, we're live until 11 this morning. when you buy a t—shirt has got a lot of sentimental value from a high street shop, to him and this is the kind of thing do you think about where and how it we wa nt to him and this is the kind of thing we want to have in the wardrobe and has been made and the impact keep preparing and loving and on the environment? keeping in circulation. from what you have learned, how is that going that is one of the questions we want to inform your approach to buying stuff in the future? well, like, i to ask you this morning. get in touch if fast fashion is an issue thought that it would be a lot for you. if you do try to shop when harder to find my size in the shops it comes to clothes in a more but it was not anywhere near as hard sustainable way. let me know, send us an sustainable way. let me know, send asi but it was not anywhere near as hard as i thought but when you get there and pick something that is your us an e—mail, a message on whatsapp, size, it is much more satisfying facebook, text, the usual. than going to harrods or something. here's anita with a summary how than going to harrods or something. h ow ofte n than going to harrods or something. how often do you do that as a of the day's news. student? does that mean that you are going to go to charity shops and buy good morning. ireland has published legislation more stuff now. yes, i really covering a range of areas from education to pensions, enjoyed it and we went to nottingham which will be introduced which is quite close. what about if there is a no—deal brexit. the government says the leglislation you, will it change the way you by is designed to protect the status quo in ireland in the event the uk closing the future? yes because i leaves the eu without a deal. used to buy clothes —— matt go—to the deputy prime minister simon coveney revealed the government coats in vintage shops anyway but i was spending hundreds of millions never imagined myself buying dresses of euros on the preparations,
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there. i was quite amazed i could but that there would still be find the stuff i liked and quite a an impact on the country's economy. bit, i bought a leatherjacket and a skirt as well in the charity shop. i a disorderly brexit will be a lose did enjoy it. but i feel like i am lose lose, for the uk, for the eu not going to buy fast fashion and for ireland. we cannot offset clothes online. again, ever? like a all of the damage that it will do, blue well... never say never but but we are doing everything that we thatis blue well... never say never but that is your ambition. join your can through legislation, through fellow students and let‘s wander preparation, through investment. over here, alice, and gobi. we have the family of shamima begum, the teenager whojoined the so—called islamic state group got over here, alice, and gobi. we have in syria, are challenging 9°tjay, over here, alice, and gobi. we have got jay, well, helen over here, alice, and gobi. we have gotjay, well, helen and amy on the home secretary's skype because she has got lectures decision to revoke her pulled up how much do you know about british citizenship. her sister renu has written to sajid javid, saying that despite being "sickened living cesena amy, first? well, i by the comments she has made" in recent interviews, know we recycle and that, i‘ve done they cannot abandon her. she added they will fight that before but everything else that the decision in court. has been coming up, honestly, i had one in 13 young people in england no idea about half of it. it is and wales experiences post—traumatic crazy, the amount of stuff that we stress disorder by the age of 18, need to do to be sustainable and the according to research from king's college london. things that you are doing in a study found that most of those everyday life, you don‘t even who had had ptsd also had realise that you are unsustainable.
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a major depressive episode, what about you guys? after looking and one in five had attempted suicide. however, only the same number, a fifth, had been seen at this, i've realised there is a by a mental health professional lot of waste in terms of food waste and clothing and everything, and we in the past year. have to work to tackle the problem. a fly—past of british and american planes has paid tribute to ten airmen like repairing clothes, for killed 75 years ago when their plane instance. well, did you know much about living sustainably? was it a crashed in sheffield. big dealfor you? about living sustainably? was it a the fly—past was a lifelong dream big deal for you? why about living sustainably? was it a big dealfor you? why did he want about living sustainably? was it a big deal for you? why did he want to ta ke big deal for you? why did he want to take part in the challenge? the for pensioner tony foulds, industrial side is on michaels but who was eight years you don‘t see the everyday impact of old when he witnessed the things you do and they add up the b—17 flying fortress crash in a park as it returned and it really has an effect.” from a bombing raid. thought living sustainably was more mr foulds has since then carefully about conserving water, energy, and maintained a memorial in the park to the lost airmen. sort of waste, so knowing about clothing and food, i did not think about food as an option. some of the stats that mike was reporting on, two more women have come forward that you should be expecting now, are astonishingly —— astonishing, with allegations of sexual specifically about clothing. textile misconduct against the r'n‘b singer r kelly. industry emits more greenhouse gases they've told a news conference they were given drink and drugs than international shipping and at an after—concert party aviation combined. that is in baltimore in the 1990s. they say the singer then extraordinary. britons are sending a
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third of clothing to landfill that cornered them in a hotel would otherwise generate £140 room and demanded sex. r kelly has been accused of decades of sexual abuse against women. million or local authorities, he's never been convicted and denies charities and other organisations. what do you think of that? all the allegations. charities and other organisations. what do you think of that7m charities and other organisations. what do you think of that? it is huge. ridiculous. shocking. and and that is a summary of the main seeing that tonnes of stuff that this money. back to you, victoria. we re seeing that tonnes of stuff that were going to 0xfam, it is —— main stories this morning. ridiculous, you would never think that those amounts of waste, no one later on we're going to be talking about tuition fees. a group that represents some is ever going to wear it. it is of the top unis, the russell group, has said that any plans to cut them great they grasped that because of will make it harder for poorer the c02 great they grasped that because of the co2 emissions, 40% that the students to go to university. fashion industry is putting out comes from the production of let us know your view on that, synthetics, mainly polyester, which particularly if you are an goes into the majority of the cheap undergraduate right now. tuition clothes that people like gobi where fees, how did they feed into your decision about whether to go to buying from fast fashion brands. university or not? and also the best when you consider that they are only way to pay for higher education. one a couple of times and they often end up, people aren‘t necessarily do get in touch with us throughout the morning — sending them to charity but they go use the hashtag victoria live. in landfill, that is a terrible the father of a british jihadi waste of resources. we have a challenge every week for two of you. killed in syria has told this programme that he is desperate what have we got next week, to find his grandson, left behind in the country. plastics? yes. and then we are doing
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ash khurshid, a bus driver and acupuncturist from east london, food and then energy. we look forward to how you get on. lots more lost contact with his online of course. thank you for three—year—old grandson salmaan joining us. and for taking part in the first challenge. more to come in a month ago. the first challenge. more to come in the next two weeks. bbc newsroom live is next, have a good day and a —— two—year—old grandson. lovely weekend. we will be back on the toddler was living monday at ten. there with his canadian mother who supports is and wants to stay there. ash and his wife hope to find salmaan and bring him to the uk to live with them. here's poonam taneja with the background to the story. in 2013, 18—year—old haroon khurshid good morning. for many areas, travelled to syria from london without his parents‘ knowledge. another fine —looking springlike day, but we have got some lingering fog patches, which are showing up quite nicely on the satellite image his family say he was radicalised by down towards the south of england. extremist preacher anjem choudhury, more cloud for northern ireland and jailed in 2016 for inviting support western scotland, quite blustery for islamic state group. with outbreaks of light and patchy once inside syria, it's rain. some low cloud and mist lingering for much of the day and thought haroon fought with militant jihadist groups. here, temperatures pegged back. elsewhere, lengthy spells of sunshine, albeit hazy at times, but he met and married a canadian very mild, 13—16dc the top ten
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woman, aisha, and in 2016 project, some spots, north—east they had a son together, england, north wales and north devon, we could see 17 or 18. when named salmaan. a few months after salmaan's strengthening further through birth, haroon was killed. northern ireland and western he was 21 years old. scotla nd northern ireland and western scotland overnight, ploughed increasing here and the return of some low cloud, mist and fog, back in the uk, his parents tried particularly for eastern england. not a particularly cold start to to stay in touch with their grandson saturday morning but some of the low cloud, mist and fog will linger in through video calls the morning. 0utbreaks cloud, mist and fog will linger in the morning. outbreaks of rain made by their daughter—in—law. working through northern ireland and western scotland. gradually, the wind easing down here. elsewhere, lengthy spells of sunshine once a month ago, those again and feeling mild. temperature calls came to an end. and they are worried. 13-15dc. the recent government decision to strip shemima begum of her citizenship has raised the issue of britons who joined islamic state group who now want to return with their children. it is estimated more than 2,000 children of foreign fighters are being detained in prisons in iraq and at camps in syria. it's not clear how many have british parents and what happens to them. you‘re watching bbc newsroom live — it‘s 11am and these are the main it's why salmaan's grandparents
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stories this morning: are desperate to find him and bring him to the uk. ian austin becomes the ninth mp to quit labour this week —— and attacks the party for failing to tackle anti—semitism. let's talk now to ash khurshid, this is the most difficult decision the father of haroon khurshid i‘ve ever had to take. and valerie peay, who's but i‘ve taken it because i‘ve become ashamed of the labour from the campaign group party, if i‘m honest. international 0bservatory of human rights. the irish government publishes legislation the group is assisting the family for a no—deal brexit — and try to raise awareness of their a scenario that the irish foreign minister warns situation. would cause widespread damage. thank you forjoining us. your a special fly—past to mark 75 years since a world—war—two plane teenage son was radicalised and crashed in sheffield, killed fighting forjihadi groups in killing ten us soldiers. thousands joined tony foulds — who witnessed the crash — syria, thought to be is. and you for this special event. wa nt syria, thought to be is. and you want his son, your grandson, who will be three next month, back here. thank you, i can't believe all this, tell the audience why. to live in a this is unbelievable to me. safe environment, where we know that, you know, he is being catered for in the right way. at the moment, we don't know what is happening to him. it is... we are going through a
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lot of emotional strain. it is a war—torn country, basic needs are not being met. we are living in worry for him continually, every day. so concerned for his safety, obviously, because he is in a war zone. yes. but also, he is your and flesh blood? yes, yeah. and a link to your dead son? that is right. we are going to show a clip of you having a skype conversation with your grandson. when was this? this was about three months ago. 0k, your grandson. when was this? this was about three months ago. ok, so this is salmaan on the call. let's have a look. say hello. i... love... you. daddy. and... and... i...
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love... you... dadu. and, come on... salmaan... i... love... you... andy. —— aunty. salmaan... i... love... you... andy. -- aunty. that was your grandson saying he loves you, his grannie and your daughter come his auntie? that is right, yeah. how does it make you feel when you see that?” is right, yeah. how does it make you feel when you see that? i want him back home and to be a normal grandparent to him, to love and cater for grandparent to him, to love and caterfor him and... grandparent to him, to love and cater for him and... and look after him. do you think the case of shamima begum makes it harderfor you and your family to get your grandson back? it does. why?
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because... the consideration for the children is not there. i mean, our main aim is to get the children back. it has just got to be looked at in back. it has just got to be looked atina back. it has just got to be looked at in a humane kind of way, because the children are innocent. that is what i would like to say. do you think the home secretary —— how do you think the home secretary has dealt with shamima begum's case?|j think it is a bit unfair, and to be honest, a bit inhumane. and... yeah. the other voice we heard on the call was your grandson's mother, i shower, who is canadian. —— i shower. your bra nson shower, who is canadian. —— i shower. your branson would have access to british nationality because his dad was british. he is
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110w because his dad was british. he is now dead but also, canadian nationality, and his mum, as far as we know, does not want to bring him to britain, is that right? yes. so how do you see this happening, trying to get your grandson from syria, somewhere, back to this country? well, to get the media coverage, and then get the international red cross, who we have contacted, to do their bit, to look out and put as much out there, which you have kindly done. it is going to bring a lot of awareness. yes... hopefully, somebody will be able to locate the mother and our grandson and we can progress forward. locate the mother and our grandson and we can progress forwardlj wonder if you could describe to the audience what it was like for you and your wife when you discovered that your son and left the country without your knowledge and had
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become radicalised by the extreme preacher anjem choudary. myself, i was traumatised for the first three months, devastated, continually crying, because it is a war—torn country, and the consequences of the action, there is only one outcome, so action, there is only one outcome, so it is just a matter of waiting for the phone call to receive the news that this is actually happening. right. so it is a very traumatic time, to be honest, very traumatic. did you notice anything different about him in the run—up to him leaving the uk? no, i didn't. no, ididn't. i him leaving the uk? no, i didn't. no, i didn't. iactually him leaving the uk? no, i didn't. no, i didn't. i actually was not in
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his life, so, yeah, that's what gave awem his life, so, yeah, that's what gave anjem choudary the opportunity to radicalise him. how do people treat you, as the father of a british jihadi fighter, killed on a battlefield somewhere in syria? to be honest, i don't vocalise it to a lot of people, so it is pretty much like... you can't advertise it. because? because if you did, you know, you would probably get people saying, " well, this is not a good thing". so pretty much, you just lead your life in a low—key manner, to be honest. because you expect people to shun you? yes. right. let
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me bring you in, valerie, should people have sympathy for aa and his search for his grandson. stop you of course they should cover this is brave for haroon and his family to put their head above the parapet but they have a three—year—old grandson, and they have not heard from him in and they have not heard from him in a month, their daughter—in—law is clearly radicalised but wanted to give them the child for safety and this is their chance to really reach out and say, anybody on the ground, the british red cross is going to be helping, anyone on the ground that sees this child, because he is only three and we don't know if his mother is still alive, but from what ash is doing, he is trying to open the doorfor all of ash is doing, he is trying to open the door for all of these other families that cannot speak up because they have been cowed by the home secretary. this is our attempt, there's a lot of people helping,
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acf, the act for change foundation have been involved as well, and it is really about bringing baby salmaan home. we have started a campaign. but ash has been working with i oh are for a long time on a widercampaign, not with i oh are for a long time on a wider campaign, not born a radical. th that is your point about the grandson, he was not born a radical? -- th. i grandson, he was not born a radical? —— th. i understand the international red cross have taken up international red cross have taken up the case of looking after the boy. in practical terms, what will they do because you don't have a document or a birth certificate? that is what we're trying to find out, what options are available because ash is not the only parent orgrandparent because ash is not the only parent or grandparent who was sitting watching this. people need to know, they need to get a clear pathway from the government, what options are there, how they their family members and today, it is not clear. william on twitter says his heart brea ks william on twitter says his heart breaks for their family, they lost
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their son first to clerical fascism and then to death, and now the grandchild is missing. "we have every reason to exhaust every effort to unite they are good —— are these good people with that little boy. they are all victims of anjem choudary". giles says, "the fact children are being born and raised in is territory is horrible not theirfault but i in is territory is horrible not their fault but i worry that by rescuing them and their family, it gives the adults a way out". what do you say to that? sharmeena begum, we have got a 19—year—old and they home secretary who has no faith in all of the incredible security services. —— sharmeena begum. we have people who can run de—radicalisation programmes, so can run de—radicalisation programmes, so if we can't deradicalise a 19—year—old and they are worried about a three—year—old child, it says a lot about us as a society. i have a lot of faith that bringing some of these parents home, and in ash's case, his daughter—in—law does not want to come to the uk but surely we have one of the best places in the world to try to rehabilitate these people? the government says it does not
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provide support for british nationals in syria because the uk government does not have representation there so if british children of deprived nationals are able to seek consular assistance outside syria, then they would work with local and uk authorities to facilitate their return when the pa rents facilitate their return when the parents give consent but decisions are made on a case—by—case basis. thank you forjoining us. still to come. we're going to be talking to these six students from loughborough university who've agreed to take up month long challenge set by this programme — to live more sustainably, which means thinking about the way they live their life impacts on the environment. this week two of them, gobi and marcus, have agreed to overhaul their wardrobes to try and stop buying so many cheap clothes, which are bad for the planet. we'll find out how they got on in about half an hour, but first, here's mike cowan to explain why so called "fast fashion" is damaging.
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fashion. it generates around £66 billion every year in britain. whilst that's great news for the economy, it is not so good for the planet. so—called fast fashion is the problem. globally, we are making over 100 billion garments a year, and 20 billion shoes. we are consuming five times what we were in the 1980s. it is consumerism at its most extreme, perpetuated by social media and influencers, normally young reality stars who are paid by high street brands to tirelessly promote their products. their followers, normally teenagers and young adults, rush to emulate their looks. but even though we are buying more, we are wearing less. each garment we buy is now worn an average of seven times by women before it is thrown away.
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and the process of making this volume of clothes is highly polluting. the world bank estimate between 17—20% of water pollution globally comes from dying and treating textiles. uzbekistan is one of the world's leading producers of cotton but it is a thirsty crop. since the millennium, the country's aral sea has gradually dried up. at 68,000 square kilometres, it was once the world's fourth biggest lake. now it is virtually dust. and the production of cotton is thought to be one of the main causes. almost 3% of fresh water on earth is used to grow cotton. it takes between 10,000—20,000 litres of water to make just one pair ofjeans. as a global industry, fashion is responsible for around 10% of carbon emissions. the use of synthetic fibres used
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in the majority of our clothes are made from fossil fuels, making their production even more energy intensive. experts say we need to buy less but buy better, so how do we do it? and what kind of role does our high street need to play? we will be back with the students' fast fashion challenge in about half an hour. in the past hour, another mp has quit the labour party, but ian austin says he won't be joining the new independent group in the commons. let's chat to our political correspondent ben wright at westminster. who is ian austin, how long has he beenin who is ian austin, how long has he been in the labour party and why has he left? hello, ian austin has been the labour mp for dudley north since 2005. he was a minister in the gordon brown government, towards the end. a well respected labour backbencher, a very small majority, his constituency at the moment, only
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22. but he has launched a blistering attack on the party leadership as he has walked out. it was expected that if there was going to be another labour defection in the next few days, ian austin was the top of everyone's watch list. he has been in despairof everyone's watch list. he has been in despair of how the party has been handling anti—semitism for a very long time. he had a big run in with the party chairman, ian lavery, last summer, which put him under investigation, actually, with how he approached the discussions with the party chairman. in his resignation interview that he has done with the local paper, he said a culture of extremism, anti—semitism and intolerance was driving good people and mps out of the labour party. he is very cross. this is what he said this morning. i have decided to leave the labour party. i have written to my constituents this morning to tell them that and i've told the labour party that i have left as well. this was the most difficult decision that i have ever had to take. but i have taken it because i have become
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ashamed of the labour party, if i'm honest. i grew up listening to my dad, who was a refugee from the holocaust, teaching me about the evils of hatred and prejudice. one of the main reasons ijoined the labour party as a teenager here in dudley, more than 35 years ago, was to fight racism. i could never have believed that i would be leaving the labour party because of racism today. ian austin speaking this morning, describing what has been the hardest decision, he said, of his life but he said he could never recommend to his constituents thatjeremy corbyn could or should be prime minister. he becomes the ninth labour mp to abandon jeremy corbyn's he becomes the ninth labour mp to abandonjeremy corbyn's party he becomes the ninth labour mp to abandon jeremy corbyn's party this week. he is notjoining the new independent group of mps. that group is glued together by opposition to brexit in many ways. in austin,
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interestingly, is supportive of getting a brexit deal through parliament so it does not change the dynamics around that but it is obviously very difficult for the labour leadership, who will once again see intense focus on their handling of anti—semitism. a spokesperson said that they regretted mr austin's decision and said he should now stand down and fight a by—election. said he should now stand down and fight a by-election. thank you. there are calls to ban some diy teeth whitening kits that you can buy over the counter in high street shops. researchers say some non—hydrogen peroxide kits can damage your teeth. their study published today in the british dentaljournal selected five over—the—counter teeth whitening products and found they significantly reduced the hardness of the teeth, and increased sensitivity. the british dental bleaching society is also concerned the do—it—yourself nature of the products risk misuse, and overuse, without a professional dental consultation. let's talk to drjoseph greenwall—cohen, he's a dentist and lead author of the study from the british dental bleaching society.
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good morning. so not all bleaching products are the same. which one specifically did you look at and how did you test them? today, the study, we looked at five over—the—counter products and we selected them from boots and superd rug. products and we selected them from boots and superdrug. they were readily available so that is why we selected them. we have some of them here. yes, and we basically, there was very little evidence behind the products and the active ingredient in them. with bleaching products which we use as dentists and dental practice, we have 30—110 years of evidence to show the safety of the product and the effectiveness of the product and the effectiveness of the product but we did not have anything in line with these new products and it was concerning to us at the british dental bleaching society and asa british dental bleaching society and as a profession that this was the case when patients came and asked us about the products, we had very little in terms of evidence to give advice. how did you test them? the testing was done at the university of manchester and in paris and we
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took these products and applied them took these products and applied them to freshly extracted teeth. we evaluated the effect of the products through micro—hardness testing, which tests the effect on the ha rd ness which tests the effect on the hardness of the teeth. what did you find? we found some products significantly reduced the hardness of teeth, making them wake up. we also evaluated the effect on the surface of the teeth through microscopy studies and we found that some products, in fact most of the products were significantly altering the surface of the teeth which was concerning to us. finally, we evaluated the shade, what effect it had on the whiteness of the teeth. what was interesting was some products were having less of an effect than say line, and everyday saltwater solution, almost. —— then saline. how much would you have to use these products for them to wea ken use these products for them to weaken your teeth and make them more
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sensitive? it is difficult to say because every person has a different situation and we encourage that if you are situation and we encourage that if you a re interested situation and we encourage that if you are interested in bleaching, you need to have a dental consultation because discolouration comes in many forms and has many causes, medical or genetic causes as well, and as a result, the only person who can determine if you are suitable for bleaching treatment is a dentist. but that costs potentially hundreds of pounds? it does but we need to put safety as a priority rather than the financial situation. the safety of the patient is our main concern at the british dental bleaching society and as a dental profession and if there are products harming patients' teeth, that is a concern. 0ther patients' teeth, that is a concern. other companies have said fizzy drinks arejust as other companies have said fizzy drinks are just as bad. other companies have said fizzy drinks arejust as bad. —— their companies. yes, they are and we know that as a dental profession but we have compared the new over—the—counter products to the ones we use every day in practice and there is a difference to be seen in the results. right. obviously, i'm going to say, you would say this
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because you are a dentist, but what do you say to that? as i said, as a dentist, my concern is the safety of the products and my patients' teeth. it is nothing to do with business going through high street chemists and, you know, people buying cheaper things and doing it themselves at time? i would be over the moon if we had over—the—counter products which people could use. i would still advocate a dental consultation because ultimately, as i said, there is some dental discolouration which would not be adequately treated by bleaching. what would be interesting is if there were over—the—counter products similar to the ones we used in practice that could be prescribed through a pharmacy, that could be an interesting alternative. but dental consultation is key with all bleaching treatment. are the people behind the ultra—white strips say they no longer sell them. mr blanc say they
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ca re longer sell them. mr blanc say they care about the health of the people that buy their products and they work with the largest retail chains in the uk who put the product and labouring through strict guidelines before selling it in—store and we asked the other company for a statement and they have not responded. someone said they used to kit after being harassed through social advertising and it did not work. emily says that she is teeth whitening kits and none of them worked. the last result was to fork out at the dentist and it was the best decisions ever made. —— the last resort. thank you forjoining us. still to come. we're going to be talking to six students from loughborough uni who've agreed to take up month long challenge set by this programme to live more sustainably. two of them have agreed to overhaul their wardrobes. we will bring you the results later. you can get in touch with this in the usual ways. use the hashtag victory alive if you are tweeting and you can send an e—mail. a group of universities is warning that if tuition fees are cut it
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could reduce access to higher education to students from poorer backgrounds. at the moment, universities in england can charge up to £9,250 a year per student, up front to cover teaching costs. students can get a loan to pay for this, and they only have to start paying this off after they ve finished uni and they re earning over £25,000 a year. the loans are written off if they ve not been paid off 30 years after graduation. the government is looking at changing the way universities are funded. but the body representing the unis, called the russell group, says any reduction of tuition fees will have to be covered by tax payer money. let s talk to professor colin bailey, the vice chancellor at queen mary university of london, a member of the russell group; rupa huq, the labour mp and former university lecturer and summer dolan, who is a post—graduate student who funded herself through
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university with loans. thank you very much for coming on and thank you for your patience. colin, why do you say that a reduction in tuition fees would reduce access to university for poorer students? a reduction in fees will mean a reduction in funding for universities and at the moment world leading universities like queen mary, it cost us £9,250 to teach the students. if there is a reduction in funding it means we would be teaching uk students at a loss. that is different to the question i asked, so why are you claiming it would lead to reduce access for poorer students? there would be a de fa cto ca p poorer students? there would be a de facto cap on the number of students because there can only be so many stu d e nts we because there can only be so many students we can teach. but why would it disproportionally affect disadvantaged students? when you put a cap on student numbers or a limited number of places then people from less privileged backgrounds,
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the a—levels they get and the family support, so take me for example. i left school at 16 and going to university was not in my dna. what we are looking at is seeing how we can encourage more people from less privileged background to go to university. you are saying poorer stu d e nts university. you are saying poorer students wouldn't get the grades? notjust students wouldn't get the grades? not just the students wouldn't get the grades? notjust the grades but students wouldn't get the grades? not just the grades but the students wouldn't get the grades? notjust the grades but the support around it. any amount of reduction infunding is around it. any amount of reduction in funding is a reduction in the widening participation access agreement. not necessarily. if you make the decision to cut the money from the programme that supports disadvantaged students, you might have an impact, but you have to make that decision. but at the moment you can only run so many courses at a loss, so if you run it at a loss you have to limit the number of places and once you have limited number you have a cap on student numbers and if you go back in history, when there isa cap you go back in history, when there is a cap on student numbers, the stu d e nts is a cap on student numbers, the students from the less privileged backgrounds do not go to university. do you accept the link, rupa. there
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was a government review promised after the 2017 election because labour had a very popular policy to have a zero fees for all students and then at the disastrous tory co nfe re nce and then at the disastrous tory conference where the letters were falling off behind theresa may, she said she would do a review but it's not seen the light of day and it's another burning injustice and now colin's group is saying that there shouldn't be any cut in fees because the review is predicated on no treasury funding being supplied. so cutting fees, zero fees was the policy but it was a properly costed thing. zero fees is the policy under labour corbin, but the labour government brought in tuition fees. —— underjeremy corbyn. government brought in tuition fees. -- underjeremy corbyn. it is a different government now. there's a big difference to a 1945 and 2020. it's a long time since 19 45. 1997,
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it's over 20 years ago. the most re ce nt it's over 20 years ago. the most recent policy was to have no fees. and i paid no fees. do you accept the link? if there is a cap on the numbers of the reduction, it means it will be poorer students affected? i would say if you're going to cut the fees you should have treasury spending to pay for it. the money has to come from somewhere and this government promised a review because it seen how popular the policy was at the last election but say they will not pay for it. that money has to come from somewhere. summer, how much do you owe as a result of going to university, and good morning, by the way. i thinki sat to university, and good morning, by the way. i think i sat and worked out yesterday and it's around 45,000 but that includes my postgraduate duration as well. you are doing a masters now. your mother is unemployed and your dad is a care worker and they were not able to help you in any way, but it did not put you off. the fees, the debt you
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would a crew did not put you off going? no, it didn't but there are ple nty of going? no, it didn't but there are plenty of people when i was studying for my a—levels in sheffield that we re for my a—levels in sheffield that were put off by it. , typically from working—class backgrounds like myself. do you think a cut in the cost of tuition fees would be a good thing? i don't agree with tuition fees in general sol thing? i don't agree with tuition fees in general so i would welcome a cut but i would reiterate that the cut but i would reiterate that the cut needs to come with assurances that procedures currently in place to make sure social mobility is something universities are encouraging, that needs to come with the cuts. it can'tjust be appeasing students by cutting tuition. you also have to put procedures in place. thank you, all of you, and rupa, are you considering leaving your party like a number of other mps? they are people i know and respect and like that i think
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they've made the wrong decision and i won't be joining them. you are staying with labour? yeah, it's the party of it's been the greatest vehicle for social change we've ever known, gave us the nhs, free education and i'm incredibly proud of these and they are issues that need addressing. let's talk to a man who has left your party, ian austin. you've been a memberfor how who has left your party, ian austin. you've been a member for how many decades, mr austin? i've been a member of the labour party for 45 yea rs member of the labour party for 45 years and ijoined when i was 18 in dudley and the reason ijoined the labour party, ironically, is the same reason that i am leaving it today. the main reason ijoined the labour party as a teenager was to fight racism and i would never have believed that i would be leaving the labour party because of racism today. you mean specifically anti—jewish racism ? today. you mean specifically anti-jewish racism? i do and i am
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appalled that the position that the labour party has got itself into an jeremy corbyn has allowed this anti—semitism to flourish. jeremy corbyn has allowed this anti-semitism to flourish. it is interesting you say he has allowed it to flourish. i'm just looking at a list of the number of times that he has said that anti—semitism in your party is absolutely unacceptable and the number of times he has apologised for it and the fa ct he has apologised for it and the fact that he has taken action. you will know the general secretary recently said 96 members had been suspended and over 200 had been given a notice of investigation hundred and 46 were given preliminary warnings and another 200 cases did not have sufficient evidence of anti—semitism to proceed. i think the figures are a joke and i think the labour party response is a disgrace. i think that they elect people likejim sheridan, a former mp, responsible for
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straightforward anti—semitism. he was suspended then readmitted without even any action being taken at all. . why aren't you joining the new independent group?|j at all. . why aren't you joining the new independent group? i just want to deal with the anti—semitism issue. louise 0rmond told the labour party repeatedly that a specific member has told her that she does not have human blood because she is human because she has beenjewish. that person was not booted out the labour party. there are people responsible for holocaust denial and it took repeated complaints them to get suspended but if margaret hodge andi get suspended but if margaret hodge and i complain about anti—semitism, they were quick enough to act then. they are more angry with the people who complain about racism and they are with those responsible for it andi are with those responsible for it and i think it is extraordinary. sorry to interrupt, but why aren't you joining the independent group of
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mps? you joining the independent group of mp5? i you joining the independent group of mps? i agree with them that the labour party is broken and i agree with them that things in politics have got to change. but you want to deliver brexit and they want to stop it? joining an independent group is not about this. this has been a really difficult decision for me to ta ke really difficult decision for me to take this week and i'm concentrating on this and that's what i'm doing today. i've got no plans to do that andi today. i've got no plans to do that and i want to talk to them about doing that. i personally voted to stay in and i wish we went in this position. and i promised people in dudley i would uphold the result of the referendum and that is why i tell the local people the truth and i keep the promises i make and that's why i voted the way i have. will you give your constituents the chance to keep you if you have left labour? i will be working as hard as ican to labour? i will be working as hard as i can to stand up for local people and improve things in dudley. that
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sounds like you're saying no for a by—election. sounds like you're saying no for a by-election. i won't be calling a by—election. by-election. i won't be calling a by-election. because you would lose? because you have a majority of 22? when alan howard left the conservative party in 1996... when alan howard left the conservative party in 1996. .. but why aren't you going to have a by—election? why aren't you going to have a by-election? my priority is to work as hard as i can for the people in dudley. they might not want to anymore know you have left the labour party. i was spoken to people today and the response i had has been overwhelmingly positive —— i was speaking. some people will be disappointed, i'm sure and some people will think there should be a by—election. let me tell you this, just a few months ago the labour party took control of dudley council because the conservative council in a safe tory seat switched from the tories to labour. jeremy corbyn celebrated we taken control of the council and nobody from the party said that the council should go to a by—election and myjob is to do what
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i promised that the election, which is to stand up and fight for local people in dudley. would you return to labour or want to return to labour, ifjeremy corbyn was not the leader? underjeremy corbyn i think the labour party has completely changed. i think what was a mainstream party has gone off in a com pletely mainstream party has gone off in a completely different direction just very different policies as well. the ha rd left is very different policies as well. the hard left is entrenched in parts of the labour party and we have got rid of lots of decent mainstream mps and it's very difficult to see under this leadership how it can ever return to being the mainstream party that won elections and change the country for the better. who do you wa nt to country for the better. who do you want to be the next prime minister? jeremy corbyn or theresa may?” want to be the next prime minister? jeremy corbyn or theresa may? i hope that won't be the choice of the next election. you want a different labour leader? welll election. you want a different labour leader? well i just want to say this, victoria,... labour leader? well i just want to say this, victoria, . .. this labour leader? well i just want to say this, victoria,... this is labour leader? well i just want to say this, victoria, . .. this is what it comes down to. it's going to be
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between labour or the conservatives at the next election, so do you want at the next election, so do you want a labour government or a conservative government? that is exactly the question that every labourmp exactly the question that every labour mp has. what is your answer? my labour mp has. what is your answer? my answer is the reason i left the labour party today is because i could never tell anybody that jeremy corbyn is fit to be prime minster. he's not fit to lead the labour party and not fit to be prime minister. i very much hope is not the choice and i cannot imagine it would be the choice. but if it is... this is three years away. not necessarily. i'm thinking it will be three years away and there is no easy a nswer to three years away and there is no easy answer to the question. all i know is, i have to tell people the truth and i have to do what i think is right and i'm telling you the truth today, which is thatjeremy corbyn is not fit to lead the labour party and he's not fit to be prime
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minister and that is why i have taken the decision i have. who would you rather have a leading labour? i think there are good people still in the labour party. like who? lots of good people. like who? frankly, any one in the labour party... jeremy corbyn has spent his entire life on the fringes of british politics defending and working with and tolerating all sorts of extremists and anti—semites and terrorists. i've always thought, and i warned about this on the 2015 election, i a lwa ys about this on the 2015 election, i always thought he was completely unfit and nothing he's done since has persuaded me different. thank you for your time, ian austin mp, no longer a labour mp. this month we are challenging a group of students to try live more sustainable lives. that means thinking about every aspect of the way we live — what we eat and drink,
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what we wear, how we travel — literally everything and making changes to make the impact of our lifestyle better for the environment. they can be big changes — like deciding not to have a car, or small ones, like buying less food and using less plastic. six students have taken up our challenge. they are from loughborough uni, and they all live together in a student house. they re all here, apart from amy who s got lectures today so she s on skype. for next four weeks they will get a different challenge at the start of each week, to see if they can change an aspect of their life in order to live more sustainably. this week was london fashion week, so for this first week of the month long challenge, we ve had two of the students goby and marcus thinking about the clothes they wear, and about so called fast fashion. so marcus and goby, with the help of our expert alice wilby, you ve spent the week trying to think about what s in your wardrobe and why? let s see how you got on. with the globalfashion industry producing over 100 billion garments a year and responsible for 10% of global emissions we wanted to challenge our students to reuse, repair and recycle. they've got to find an outfit
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for an event without buying anything new. 0ur sustainable fashion stylist alice wilby started by rooting through their wardrobes. we've got a lot of cotton, a lot of t—shirts, haven't we? how many t—shirts do you think you buy a year? probably ten, 15. it takes up to about 3,000 litres of water to make one cotton t—shirt and that's about as much water as we drink three years. you're buying 10—15 of them a year. that's madness, 3000? i thought you were going to say i was doing really well, to be honest, i'm not going to lie. you've got lots of branded stuff as well. there's two things i'm noticing here. we've got versace jeans. and an emporio armani jacket. but the thing that's interesting about these styles, is that there isn't anything to me specifically that sets them aside as being designer.
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so you could pick these up from a sustainable brand, it's a pretty classic cut, it's a pretty classic style. could i get that, though? i feel like you could buy this from a vintage shop. that's very much a diss. why does that feel like a diss for you? it's very expensive. like, i've looked at vintage shops. i think they smell a little bit, they are not that great, it's just all clothes that no one wants, that's my opinion. we've got such a surplus of clothing that's already been made that people aren't wearing, or using. tell me about this beautiful piece. my grandma bought it for me from india. it's broken, it's broken under the arms. this is where things tend to go a lot. i think this is perfect for us to go and get fixed this week. with one item found for repair it's off to goby. we've got a bunch of dresses here, i'm, i think it's safe to say they are one of the cheapest online british retailers. they're like six, seven, £8 a pop.
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i feel like the most important thing is the price. especially for a uni student. that's why when you have seen a cheaper thing you just go for it. this one doesn't look like it's been worn. it still has its label. it's new. where did you get this? a month ago. you've had this for a month and you haven't worn it. did you buy it for something specific? meant to be nights out. you are kinda scared of like people looking at you, have you worn that dress again? there's kind of panic. there is nothing in that that necessarily suggests you have to go out and buy a new thing, it could be about how you style it differently, the accessories you put with it, the jacket you put over it. the entire way of presenting your outfit and your look. this is a perfect example of something we can get fixed really easily. and then you've got a really great top and a really good starting
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point for an outfit for a night out. we can't have you going out with a safety pin holding your top together. it's a look but it might not be the one you want right now. this is exactly the kind of thing we are talking about, rips on seams thats are really easy to fix, a lot of people feel they haven't got the time or skill to do. that should be good. while their clothes get repaired, we headed to batley in yorkshire, nestled between the hills is the 0xfam recycling centre. holly showed them round. we've got garment sorters sorting through donations picked up from all around the uk. these guys sort through 80 tonnes of donated clothing and textiles per week. it's a huge amount of stuff. we sort through them here, a lot of these guys are doing is a really quick check to see if we can resell the item, if it's a general good condition and if it isn't it goes down the shoot down to the next part of the line. each worker sorts between four
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and 500 black binbags a day. everything coming off this little chute, we couldn't resell. around 6% will never be worn again. but it will be turned into something else we can use. just have a little look for a second. asos. river island. i think they've got some boohoo and missguided in here. have you seen a rise in this kind of, sort of fast fashion clothing coming through that's misshapen easily and you cannot sell on? yes, we really have. we get a lot of lower quality, low end high student and there's nothing we can do with it. such a shame. so everything that you see here has been through that process that we've just been through. my god. each of these bales weighs half a tonne. every week in the uk we send over five and a half thousand tonnes of clothes to landfill. that's equivalent to
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11,000 of these bales. luckily nothing here will go to landfill but this room represents a tiny fraction of the clothing britain throws away every week. it's shocking, right? it's horrible. think about the amount of plastic in the material, it's not going to breakdown. it is shocking. it's no good for the environment. back on the trail for their outfit challenge we are in nottingham, a mecca for second—hand shops. ok, so we want you to build an outfit to go to an event. we're going to use the one item from your wardrobe you are having mended and we are going to give you £30 each to build the rest of the outfit. 0nly £30 ? 0nly £30 and you have
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to buy everything rest of the outfit. 0nly £30 ? them and where better than london fashion week? 0utfits complete, now theyjust need somewhere to wear them and where better than london fashion week?
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