tv Brexit BBC News March 1, 2019 9:00am-10:01am GMT
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hello it's friday, it's 10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. today — two men tell our programme exclusively that they were sexually abused hundreds of times by michaeljackson — we'll hear from them and the director of a new documentary on the sexual abuse claims. you're watching bbc first he would tell me what this is, news at nine with me annita mcveigh. the headlines: this sexual activity, is because he social media firms are told to do andi this sexual activity, is because he and i love each other and this is more to tackle child grooming, how we show our love. then he would immediately follow that up with, if after 5,000 online offences anybody else in the world ever found were recorded injust 18 months. out what we were doing, people are destined to fail — ignorant, they wouldn't understand, and what would happen is you and i a damning report says problems with the part—privatisation would go to jailfor the rest of the probation service in england and what would happen is you and i would go to jail for the rest of our and wales have cost taxpayers lives. we'll bring you that almost £500 million. interview in five minutes. pakistan is set to release the ex—boyfriend of louella fletcher—michie a captured indian pilot will be sentenced this as a "peace gesture" today, after shooting down morning for her manslaughter his plane in kashmir. after supplying her and coming up in a couple of minutes — a special programme where we'll be hearing your views and questions about brexit. we'rejoining forces with bbc radio 5 live for a brexit edition of your call and bbc ask this — nicky campbell will be hearing from viewers and listeners
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about what they want to know with less than one month to go. good morning — and welcome to the bbc news at 9am. more than 5,000 online grooming offences were recorded by police in england and wales in the last 18 months. according to new data obtained by the nspcc — instagram, facebook and snapchat were used in 70% of cases of sexual communication with a child. the charity accused social media firms of "ten years of failed self—regulation". ben ando reports. the nspcc describes it as the wild west web, and it's children who are falling prey to online outlaws and being groomed.
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most are in their teens, but many are younger — one just five—years—old. of the big social media apps, it's instagram that's seen the biggest increase in abusers targeting children. but snapchat and facebook are also widely used, and between them, these three platforms account for 70% of reported cases of sexual communications being made with children. the figures were obtained by the nspcc and freedom of information requests to police forces in england and wales. the charity found that between april and september 2017, paedophiles attempting to groom or coerce children into sex used instagram on 126 occasions. but in the same period last year, that figure had gone up threefold, to 428, and while girls aged 12—15 are the most common targets, one in five victims was aged 11 or under. in a statement, facebook said...
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but the nspcc says this is the result of ten years of failed self—regulation. we are looking at the largest sites here. the sites that have the biggest resources to get on top of this problem are the ones that now have the most significant problem in terms of the number of offences. i think for us at the nspcc, that really underlines that we have seen the social networks simply will not do enough by themselves to protect children who are using their sites. and that's really why now we are calling for the government to step in and commit to statutory regulation. the government says it's listening, and a forthcoming white paper will clearly set out what responsibilities social media companies have, and the consequences of shirking them. ben ando, bbc news. a damning report has found that problems with the part privatisation of the probation service in england and wales have cost taxpayers almost
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£500 million. under the changes, 21 companies were awarded contracts to supervise low and medium—risk offenders. the national audit office says the government's approach to the reforms, which it said were rushed, meant they were destined to fail. pakistan is due to release an indian fighter—pilot who was captured on wednesday after his plane was shot down in kashmir. the country's prime minister has described the move as a "gesture of peace" after two weeks of building tension in the region. india has welcomed the decision but says its armed forces remain vigilant. the united states is offering a £1 million reward for information about the son of the late al-qaeda leader, 0sama bin laden. intelligence officials say hamza bin laden is emerging as an extremist leader. now on the bbc news channel we can join radio 5 live for a brexit edition of your call and bbc
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ask this with nicky campbell. hello, i'm nicky campbell and welcome to this special edition of your call. today we re broadcasting notjust on bbc 5 live but also on the bbc news channel. we arejoining forces to hear your views on brexit, and to take comments and questions from you — our viewers and listeners. it's the first of march — so later this month — if all goes to the government's plan — the uk is due to leave the eu. so how are you feeling about the prospect? we are moving into a new month and a new era. we also want to hear whether there are aspects of brexit you d like to see or hear more of —
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or less of — on the bbc. we have rachel who isjoining us as well, rachael burford and in the 5 live newsroom. yes, nicky, i m rachel burden in the 5 live newsroom. as part of a day of special coverage across the bbc we ve recruited a panel of 12 audience members with a range of views to help shape the bbc‘s brexit coverage today. you will hear from some of them throughout this hour—long programme. you can get your comments and questions in now — on twitter use the hashtag #bbcaskthis or @bbc5live. or if you want to text us, the 5 live text number is 85058 or call us on 08085 909 693. joining us to help answer those questions we have the bbc‘s reality check correspondent chris morris with us. so any of those thorny brexit issues that have just been confusing you?
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doesn't matter how simple or basic you think they are. get in touch. and also tell us how optimistic you're feeling about the brexit you want to be delivered or not. as the case may be. whether that's theresa may's deal, a second referendum, no deal or anything in between. rachel mentioned those 12 audience members who are shaping our coverage today and we've got two of them with us in the studio. mary mcgrath from bolton who voted leave and a remain voter. classic bbc balance, you cannot fault it. absolutely, you're wonderful. not long to go, how do you feel about it in your heart of hearts? to be honest, i kind of switched off like most people did after a while. it has been a really long time. white noise? yeah, and it gets quite
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confusing, people seem to get aggressive and seems to be a debate amongst the parties and sometimes it feels like the publicjust doesn't matter. like i said, i kind of switched off, sometimes i listen to some bits and other times i have avoided it. i think that's what the government wants. i think the government wants. i think the government wants. i think the government wants to tie us in knots and confuse us so we get bored of it and confuse us so we get bored of it and we have had enough and don't wa nt to and we have had enough and don't want to talk about brexit. they want to do that? yes, because nothing is clear. at the end of the day, nicky, leave m ea ns clear. at the end of the day, nicky, leave means a leave. they didn't think the people would vote 17.6 million, they did, and the people spoke. what happened? david cameron scarpered off, george 0sborne's face, picture! david dimbleby when the results come in the morning, his face was a picture. unfortunately, we are leaving the european union. yes, they are, the people spoke of the people voted. we have been
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hearing this from both sides. aliens didn't vote, people voted. there are two sides to every story. obviously, i voted to remain and marie voted to leave. either way people want a decision, even if it is leave, it has kind of been it being up in the air which is more frustrating than a decision being made. right now, even if we left and i wanted to stay, as long as is made and people know where they are heading and what is changing, just to be informed would be nice, but right now there isn't really any answers for anyone. you wa nt really any answers for anyone. you want clarity, and finality? yes. can i ask you to leave and go and answer some phones? yes, we can come actually. as long as they are kind to me. they will be, they have been listening to you all morning and now they have seen you on the television. they have been very nice! let's speak to holly and aisha. holly, thank you for coming
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on this programme this morning on the television, on the radio. student from cardiff. what would you like to say? first and foremost i would like to say people are ignoring the opportunities of brexit, there is lots of talk about the bad sides to brexit and things that will go wrong. what is happening now, we need to start looking to the future, i'm quietly confident theresa may's withdrawal agreement will pass but obviously it keeps getting voted down and everything else but i think when push comes to shove it will pass and we get the brexit we want. confident about that, not long to go. do you have a question or a point for chris morris you would like him to clarify? 0f fa ct morris you would like him to clarify? of fact to check? morris you would like him to clarify? of fact to check? my question is, does brexit mean more trade opportunities with the commonwealth? chris. well, that kind of depends on the government of the day. i think any government after brexit, priority number one has still got to be doing a trade deal
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with the european union because that is nearly half of our total trade. other countries around the world are going to want to know what our relationship with europe is before they commit to some deep free—trade agreement with us. one of the advantages of leaving the european customs union, spoken a lot about buy brexiteers, as we can set an independent trade policy. one of the things that means is, for example, we do not have to take account of the needs of, i don't know, spanish olive oil producers, or industries that are not that significant in the uk in the way we do at the moment when we negotiate as the eu as a whole. one of the disadvantages come of course, is that we are a small offer to other countries and at the moment we are part of an offer of a coi'isuitiei’ moment we are part of an offer of a consumer market of more than 500 million people. in the future, it willjust of the uk, 66 million. the government has said to have its priorities are trade agreements with
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australia and new zealand, so, yes, commonwealth countries there. but don't forget other big commonwealth countries, canada for example, the eu hasa countries, canada for example, the eu has a free—trade agreement with canada, and at the moment we are trying to recreate something the eu already has. but i think that leaving the eu does mean more opportunity, like you have said, for further trade with other countries that we couldn't have previously because of being in the eu. i don't think we talk about this enough and the opportunities are there. we have project fear going on, that's something i'm really not happy with when it comes to brexit and the brexit discussions at the moment. we will come back to chris for more clarification. it is interesting because i feel what murray said a few minutes ago rings true and will chime with a lot of our listeners and viewers because what we have picked up on these phone—ins on 5 live which have been so busy and passionate, is an increasing anger, not just about the issues passionate, is an increasing anger, notjust about the issues but passionate, is an increasing anger,
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not just about the issues but with the parliamentary and political process. people just want to get it done, and it seems to be endless and taking an eternity. aisha is with us, english and history teacher in keighley. hello. what would you like to say? morning, nicky, morning, everyone. listening to holly now and this kind of optimism that everything is going to work out, don't worry, we are going to be absolutely fine, it is so misplaced. we have seen three years of negotiations break down and we haven't achieved anything. in fact, the last week or so we have managed to inch forward very, very small baby steps. but the reality is we still don't know what is going to happen four weeks from today, we still don't know what trade deals we are going to have and we simply have i'io are going to have and we simply have no idea, and people i have spoken to, people who voted to leave subsequently changed their minds and they want to remain, simply because of the shambles that this government has put the country through. and i
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do think that in four weeks' time we will not have a substantial deal, we will not have a substantial deal, we will not have something that we can say this is even better than the deal we have right now with the eu. we are going to crash out come actually, not walk away, we are going to crash out in a catastrophic mannerand going to crash out in a catastrophic manner and it's going to take generations, decades, to recover. not a rosy outlook from you. i want to pick up on the point you made, aisha, which i want to throw back to holly and then we will go to rachel in the newsroom. holly, aisha picks up in the newsroom. holly, aisha picks up from her friends, in the newsroom. holly, aisha picks up from herfriends, acquaintances and colleagues that there has been a shift towards remain and she said she has spoken to many people who voted leave, and have changed their mind. what do you pick up from your circle? i have exactly the opposite, i know quite a few remainers who wa nt to i know quite a few remainers who want to have brexit now. so i feel like it depends on your circle. but there is a growing number of people
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who did vote remain who now want to leave. it is the idea of wanting to get up done it on with it and want be over so we can start looking at trade deals with the eu and other countries. yeah, it's kind of enough already. 0ut countries. yeah, it's kind of enough already. out to the newsroom, and rachel burden is right there right 110w. thank you, nicky, this is the 5 live newsroom and we are here at the heart of where it happens. when people call to talk to us, as they do often in the hundreds when we talk about brexit, this is where the calls come into and cathy is one of our most experienced phone answer is, it is quite a toughjob our most experienced phone answer is, it is quite a tough job because sometimes you get people on the phone who are very angry. anger, passion, frustration and many, many people call frequently, some people call daily because they are so passionate about this topic. when you get the calls, how do deal with it? how do you talk to them? lots of people are curious to know how the bbc decides who we put on air. first and foremost we would research the
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criteria we have been given that morning in our brief, so if we were talking in particular about what will happen after brexit, what do you want to happen and what do you wa nt to you want to happen and what do you want to see? if the caller fits that criteria, then that is a star call, the person we want to hear on air. however, a programme can change com pletely however, a programme can change completely with the tone from the callers, fantastic call can come in, the studio will pick it up, it goes out on airand the studio will pick it up, it goes out on air and callers respond in their hundreds. i hesitate to ask this because i don't want to draw you into the political debate, but do you get a sense from all the calls that come in, and on a day like this we will have hundreds about which way the debate is going? i have to admit that beforehand i had already said it would be a leave vote, however, i never believed it would come to fruition because the majority of our callers were leave voters. it is still very similar, the percentage of remain callers is much lower than the callers that wa nt to much lower than the callers that want to leave. but many people are now fed up and have changed, so people want to just go and get out and walk away. it is a fascinating
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insight. for marie who is here as an audience member, you feel very much the conversation at the bbc is swayed one way or another. does this give you an insight as to how the discussion is turned around? yeah, i've had a great time and a good insight into it. notjust the bbc, i think a lot of the news channels, sky and itv, when they interview anybody who is brexit it is a negative tone, it is a frown and it is doom and on the edge of the cliff. it is not. iwouldn't is doom and on the edge of the cliff. it is not. i wouldn't say you get that from a lot of our listeners who phone in as cathy was saying. get that from a lot of our listeners who phone in as cathy was sayinglj would who phone in as cathy was saying.” would just say that i just feel that even would just say that i just feel that eve n every would just say that i just feel that even every time nigel farage is interviewed, i'm not saying i'm his fan, but! interviewed, i'm not saying i'm his fan, but i think i agree with a lot of what he says. but when he is on it is like it is negative, and i think it is pity buyers, the bbc. it is like it is negative, and i think it is pity buyers, the bbcw is interesting because earlier you said this and i put it out on twitter and said it is the bbc bias in favour of twitter and said it is the bbc bias infavourof remain, twitter and said it is the bbc bias in favour of remain, which is what you said early on our programme on 5
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live, and looking at the responses that come through, a lot of people saying yes, and a lot of people saying yes, and a lot of people saying no, no, nigel farage gets too much airtime, saying no, no, nigel farage gets too much air time, brexiteers are allowed to go on air unchallenged. definitely not, definitely not. another thing, i think a lot of the channels, when they interview somebody who is a brexiteer, we are xenophobic, racist. we are not, i love europeans and i love europe, we think you are great, we want to be your friends but we don't want to be in bed with you, we don't want you our roles, we want to make our own rules. theresa may, just go forward, stop dithering, we have had enough. you can see that marie is starting to get in the swing of things at 5 live, i think she wants to take over this newsroom but she is passionate and it is reflected in the level of calls we get into the newsroom. and the quality of the course, lots of our listeners are really informed about the issues they are passionate about. cathy must get on with it because it is a busy morning, and marie, i will take you around and
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show you more of the newsroom. a guided tour by rachel burden, what more could you ask for? it is nearly 9:20am. let's look at these calls, these people we have got to hear from, catherine in manchester, good morning, how are you doing? good morning, how are you doing? good morning, loving the show. thank you very much indeed, great to have your contribution and i know you will make a telling point. good morning. hello, how are you? hope is there as well. just what we need in these troubled times. thank you! if i may. catherine, you kick off and everyone else can respond to you if they want to pick up on what you say. great stuff. i really want to talk about specifically the nhs and the effect of brexit on the nhs. i myself have a health condition and rely heavily on the nhs and many of my family
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have had their lives saved by our wonderful nhs. whether you voted leave or remain, i think that's one thing we can unite on that we have to protect our nhs. now, many leavers voted in good faith believing the £350 million per week for the nhs, including believing the £350 million per week forthe nhs, including my believing the £350 million per week for the nhs, including my own mother, and she is absolutely furious now. 84, and you would not wa nt to furious now. 84, and you would not want to see her now, she is very angry. what we know now is that brexit in any form is already affecting the nhs, paying millions and millions of pounds more for inputted nhs supplies. can i ask about your mother for a second? it is interesting. she believes the promises on that side of the debate. did you have lively conversations with her before the referendum? do you know what, before the referendum i was probably 60% remain and 40% believe because we need to reform the eu, there are bad things about the eu, there are bad things about the eu, there are bad things about the eu, and so the conversations
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we re the eu, and so the conversations were quite evenhanded, you know? but about six months after the event the penny dropped with my mum. about six months after the event the penny dropped with my mumm about six months after the event the penny dropped with my mum. it all kicked off. yeah, the nhs saved her life three times, she is 84, she is desperate for more money for them. she rang up three weeks ago and she said the devalued pound means when the nhs is buying supplies from abroad, importing nhs supplies, it is costing millions of pounds more a week, nobody said anything about that. and the lancet this week has come out with a report saying any brexit is going to have an effect on the economy, outside the single market, outside the customs union, there will be a reduction in the economy. very simply, that means there is a reduction in tax revenues that pay for our nhs.” there is a reduction in tax revenues that pay for our nhs. i will tell you what, we have a number of points there and we have chris morris, our fa ct there and we have chris morris, our fact checker supremo. the love in our nation for the nhs, chris, is inestimable. but what are the
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implications of brexit potentially? what are the arguments and debates here forfunding what are the arguments and debates here for funding and staffing? overall, slogans written on the side of buses is a bit of a red herring. any government after brexit can decide how much money it wants to spend on the nhs and everyone seems to say, yes, we should spend more on the nhs, both on the conservative side and the labour side. but it depends on the overall size of the economy, as the caller suggested. what is brexit going to do to the overall size of the economy? economic forecasts can be controversial but the official forecast we have had from inside government are that they believe over a 15 year period, deal or no deal, the economy will be smaller thanit deal, the economy will be smaller than it would have been if we had stayed in the eu. now, maybe you can spend more of it are still on the nhs. but if you do that and have less money to go around, it means you are going to be spending less on
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other areas. finance is a political decision but you can only spend the money you have got. as for staffing, there is a really big concern within there is a really big concern within the nhs can obviously a lot of nurses and doctors come from other eu countries and at the moment they can come easily because of free movement of people. if that comes to an end then there will be staff shortages, and already the nhs is reporting fewer nurse applications from other countries because people feel, well, may be the brexit referendum was a sign that this isn't the best place for us to go and work, let's go to germany or other countries instead. thank you very much indeed and catherine, thank you for your contribution to our programme this morning. hope, and what is your point?” our programme this morning. hope, and what is your point? i don't have and what is your point? i don't have a beef as such but my main point would be that we are not putting enough confidence in the government. i believe the government will achieve a good deal at the end of the day. people are saying it is a
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shambles, they haven't been able to do what they went out to do but we need to remember this is unprecedented work they are doing, nobody knew what they were expecting when they were doing this. it is quite fascinating to see this will stop i've done that i am a student myself and i've spoken to a lot of stu d e nts myself and i've spoken to a lot of students and it is interesting to see the range of reactions people are having about brexit at the moment. and how they feel about the whole process itself. but the main point for myself is how we are going to maintain the academic connections we have across europe and how are we going to maintain our access to european universities after brexit? i think that would be my only concern, that it would be great to get some more clarity on that. let's do it, let's get more clarity on it from chris. while you are there we are going to use you are chris. we are going to use you are chris. we are going to squeeze you dry. there are going to squeeze you dry. there
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are concerns in academic circles which have been expressed, articulately, not unsurprisingly, about the effects of brexit. what can you tell us? a lot of universities rely on european research programmes. it may be that all of those research programmes disappear but the government has already said that even after we leave it does want to continue to pay money into the eu budget, less than we pay at the moment, but pay some money into the eu budget to continue to participate in some of those research programmes. i think free movement of people is another difficult issue for universities, because if it's harderfor academics to come here, they may choose to go to come here, they may choose to go to other countries where it is easierfor them to to other countries where it is easier for them to operate. and then there is the issue of students. a lot of british students now take advantage of studying in other european countries, places like the netherlands and belgium, which offer courses in english. at the moment, what happens because we are in the eu, as any uk student can go and study in any other eu country, or
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norway and switzerland, for the same amount of money that a local student can study, and in some countries that means it is free. in the netherlands you pay little money to go to university, far less than the uk. if we leave with no deal, then the netherlands would treat students starting in the future as essentially as they would any student coming from anywhere else in the world, and that would mean there would be considerable fees to pay for uk students going to study and many other eu countries. orhan, any clarification? i think it does clarify it. obviously, it seems that the best thing for all of us in the situation would be to get a deal so that students like myself, but also academic professionals still have access to all of their european partners that they have worked with for so many years. from myself as a student, i think the most important thing i want to see is parliament agree with the government to try and
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push forward a sustainable deal for us so push forward a sustainable deal for us so that we can make sure britain's future is more prosperous. thank you for that. great to have gone down that particular line this morning. hope! as mentioned and as promised and previously advertised stuff i should have brought you in sooner because catherine made the point about the nhs, chris morris gave brilliant summing up of the arguments and potential problems down the line, and you were in the nhs. what is your position? i don't mean your position in the nhs necessarily, but your position on the brexit debate. well, i think from my aspect it is all about the integrity of our politicians really from my point of view. for instance, we we re from my point of view. for instance, we were given the vote and we did and we spoke and we were clear about what we wanted. 17.4 million voted to leave. i think my biggest bugbear
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is more about the integrity of our politicians to fulfil the mandate that we voted for. i think what has been demonstrated definitely over this past duration, what has been in the news, it feels like our politicians are trying to overturn because they didn't believe in what we voted for. that's where i'm coming from. i think that's sad really. it is certainly a bit of a tangled web politically at the moment. it is a confusing labyrinth. but, listen, what about your collea g u es but, listen, what about your colleagues in the nhs. we hear a lot of come on this programme and others on the bbc news channel and here on bbc radio 5 live, we hear people from the nhs who are worried. what are your colleagues saying to you? you're nhs colleagues. —— your nhs
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colleagues. people have their own opinions, i'm not speaking for the nhs, i'm speaking for myself. but there are people who voted to leave and people who voted to remain. obviously there are concerns about what will happen after that date if and when we do leave on whatever date they decide to go. so there are concerns. from my angle ijust believe that it would be a great opportunity, that's what i believe. so, you know,... but obviously we haven't been down this road before, so who knows exactly what is going to happen? but i believe that we should just go for it. ok, thank you very much indeed. david in great yarmouth. can i just very much indeed. david in great yarmouth. can ijust say on the phones and elsewhere, all means of communication is absolutely jammed busy this morning. so that's indicative of the passion and strength of feeling, and the anger
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and frustration that people are feeling about all this at the moment. david, how are you this morning? i'm fine, thank you, nicky, thank you for involving me in the programme so far, what a lively discussion so far. very important that we hear as many viewers as possible. do you want to get it done and over with? fed up? nicky, we had and over with? fed up? nicky, we had a referendum over two years ago and triggered article 50, and we are now just about to enter the leaving process. i think it's ridiculous there is still so much debate over whether we leave or whether we stay. we are almost at the exit gate now and the problem is the negotiations don't begin until after we have left the european union. so i think at this stage what i would like to see would be our government and our politicians, members of parliament, actually forgetting about their party lines and tribal allegiances
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and actually doing some proper debate about what we can achieve, what we need to do just now and what is going to be in our country's best interest. you are in dreamland, aren't you? actually, i was more heartened to see, i think it was kenneth clarke, speaking in the chamber of the house of commons last week, and he said he was trying to encouragejust such a week, and he said he was trying to encourage just such a debate. the labour party, in my opinion, think they have a chance of power and particularly the revolutionary left wing side of the party. i think they are so amazed that for the first time since the revolution in russia we have communis banging on the door of no 10. i never thought we'd be back to the october revolution of 1917 so quickly on the phone. i've
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got to leave it, david. the very mention of the word ken clarke, i've got to say, this is indicative of the divisive nature. half of the nation cheers and the other half of the nation booze. rachel burden is in the newsroom. this is where our programme produces meat, they get together and decide what goes on air, how we discuss things, who we talk to, the kind of conversations that take place, editorial conversations as well about the nitty—gritty of brexit and what it is we feel our audience needs to know. so much that these days takes online, on social media. 0ne days takes online, on social media. one of our audience members is here today looking at our facebook page, which has loads of messages, which would be typicalfor a morning we are discussing brexit. does it reflect for you the kind of conversations you are having on your real life? yes, to be honest, a lot of people have turned around and saidi of people have turned around and said i have zoned out a brexit, it's very negative and stop looking at
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it, people are using words like dark times and dangerous. to be honest, it's how i feel about brexit myself. these are not scientific surveys by any means and some social media skews more to remain or some towards brexit. it can get quite heated. have you found yourself getting engaged in debates and rows or shied away from it? i shy away from it but i will have the conversation and put my views out there. people are passionate and it will affect everybody does ‘s lives but everyone has their own opinion and there are two sides to a coin so i don't get too frustrated myself. where do you stand? a gentleman on the phone just now is that his viewers we have to get on with it. it is just a few weeks to go, 28 days left. is there any sense you are shifting your position as we move closer to the leave date? i would say i stick to remain but i understand everyone just wants a decision. if we are going to leave now, let's leave and if we are going to stay, let's stay.
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everyone wants a decision. on a day like this you get dozens and dozens of m essa g es like this you get dozens and dozens of messages on social media. we get hundreds of messages on text and twitter as well. mary says, no change of opinion for me or my family or extensive circle of friends. we all want to leave. we are informed and educated. john got in touch and said, we have returned to empty patriotism and jingoism whilst in reality we will become a small, unsuccessful country, with all our former assets ruined. small, unsuccessful country, with all ourformer assets ruined. i'm sickened by the whole thing and feel i have lost any pride in being british. 0ne i have lost any pride in being british. one from kirsty on twitter, com pletely british. one from kirsty on twitter, completely horrified that 27 days before b day, businesses don't know if they can afford to buy orders or if they can afford to buy orders or if they can afford to buy orders or if they will arrive in april due to unknown tariffs. people are worried about essential medications, food. revo ke about essential medications, food. revoke is what she says. let me tell you this morning how to get in touch. this conversation is going on until ten o'clock but well beyond that as well. get in touch on
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twitter now using the hashtag bbc ask this or on bbc radio five live. you can call us as well. let's bring injason who is in dundee. hello, how are you doing? hi, good morning, thank you for having me on. our pleasure. and also a trader in london. where are you on this, are you a remainer? damian penaud yes... i was a remainer but now i think we need to get behind what is happening which is us leaving. but what is happening, what kind of leaving will that be? that is the big question, isn't it? i don't think even the people in charge of helping us leave know what the answer to that question is. i
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wouldn't speculate. i think it is important that there is clarity in this transition period, which i think is missing. there is a whole load of speculation and no real conversations, no real clarity from leadership on what exactly they plan to do, which is why people are so frustrated. you meet a lot of people in the course of your day and deal with people, what are they saying, what you getting from your collea g u es what you getting from your colleagues and members of the public you come across about this? i'm not actually a trader anymore, i re ce ntly actually a trader anymore, i recently left. as i said to your producers, their frustration for people in the city is, in terms of our access to the single market. so a lot of the banks or corporate is in the city are moving their headquarters to mainland europe because they won't be able to take advantage of that pass porting by
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being based in london anymore. that means we've already lost thousands ofjobs in the city will continue to haemorrhage jobs for that reason. the remain as say if we have a chance of a reversing this, we can stop that catastrophe the business happening. do you support that, that it's not too late? i think that is unrealistic. the way the markets work is they have to try and think about what is going to happen in the future and make decisions now, today. the view is still we would be leaving. so all the contingency plans for most of the banks and most corporates are working with that assumption. you know, it's unrealistic to expect businesses to only be able to react in real—time to any sort of change in the way the wind moves. exactly, there is no
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position, no bus ability of hedging 1's bets. do you have a question for chris morris, anything you want to know from our fact checker? not particularly. i guess, know from our fact checker? not particularly. iguess, has know from our fact checker? not particularly. i guess, has there been more clarity on... i know sadiq has tried to get more clarity with how we can access the single market and pass porting into the eu for many financial services companies. has there been any further clarity? any financial clarity? not really, no. as david said, one of our callers, most of the negotiation, bad news if you are getting fed up with brexit, is still to come. at the moment, all we are doing is negotiating on how we leave that their negotiation on the future relationship, and services and financial services in particular, really important for the uk economy, we still don't know exactly how that will work. the government's proposal
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is we would not be in the single market for services and therefore it would be more difficult for service companies to access the european market. but the detail of that negotiation all still to come. thank you. jason, how are you doing? great this morning, thank you for asking, how are you? i'm good. i believe you area how are you? i'm good. i believe you are a leaver. what is it like to be surrounded by remainers in scotland? that is a country that wants to stay put in the european union. absolutely. to be honest, it's fine. i think peoplejust absolutely. to be honest, it's fine. i think people just need to get on with it and start talking with more positive language towards whatever direction we go. i think there is a lot of doom and gloom being cast around leaving, that we are going to drop off the edge of a cliff, the world will end, its doom and gloom. i don't believe that. i believe that it can be the most positive situation there is, if we believe it will be that situation. how do these
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people know that if we leave it will be so bad? have they got a crystal ball that they are looking into? that i don't have access to? i believe we could really make the best at this opportunity that we've got and to be on our own and set up new agreements worldwide. i believe that can be achieved through brexit. i will throw that to lance, who is a remainer. can you hear us 0k? i will throw that to lance, who is a remainer. can you hear us ok?” i will throw that to lance, who is a remainer. can you hear us ok? i am indeed. too much doom and gloom says jason, what do you say? there might bea jason, what do you say? there might be a great deal of reality and the doom and gloom. it seems that way to me. yes, i see nothing but losing things, rather than gaining anything. why should... the theory that we can have a great life on our own, it's all back to empire is,
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surely? jason? i think if you believe... where are the good news stories for leaving? where are the opportunities that are being cast around? opportunities that are being cast around ? there aren't opportunities that are being cast around? there aren't any, it's we will lose this and lose that. it will lose this and lose that. it will be a doom and gloom situation. the point of the matter is, without us the point of the matter is, without us arguing about it, 17.4 million people voted to leave the european union. whatever that looks like. i think what bothers me is the talk of the potential as a referendum, to almost say people didn't know what they were voting for but people now know what they are voting for so therefore they will make the right decision this time round. i think thatis decision this time round. i think that is a dangerous game to start playing. having lived in scotland through the independence referendum, it's extremely divisive. these types of politics are very divisive. i think the decision has been made and we need to rally behind that decision as a nation. lance, you don't sound very happy? i'm not, i'm
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not. i'm petrified of the whole thing, to be honest with you. petrified? yes, yes. i've looked in european countries in the past, once in my late teens, before we were full members of the eu and i spent nearly as much time not being arrested and deported as i did doing my work. several years later, i went to work in the netherlands. i walked into their city hall with my passport and walked out with my numberand passport and walked out with my number and started work the next day, fantastic. i'm petrified of having those rights taken away from me. how do you think the history books will view this?” me. how do you think the history books will view this? i think the history books, to be honest, will probably say a whole bunch of old people who still remember the empire and love the empire, robbed the
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future of our youth, frankly. quite a contrast with jason. jason saying optimism, let's get on with it. but we have to get on with it because it is going to happen, so we have to make the best of it? the one thing i agree withjason make the best of it? the one thing i agree with jason entirely is the pointlessness of a second referendum. because if remain wins, it's obviously an immediate and inevitable call for best—of—3 and then may be best of five. i hate and resent the result of the referendum, but i can't see anything other than enormous divisiveness throughout the country. by having another one. jason? we are where we are. i'm not
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sure i agree with the whole empire —ism or colonialism of before. people voted for a variety of reasons. in the main that might be correct, but there are some that don't fall into those boxes. we all voted for our own reasons. it's a democratic society. what was your number one, top reason for voting to leave ? number one, top reason for voting to leave? i think... what was my number one reason? it has become even more apparent now and find out more for me, the politics coming out of the eu from an unelected parliament, in my opinion, we have zero control over it. i think all the stuff that has come out now is interesting because it has brought people into politics. i almost find positives in every situation and it has brought people into politics. i think the eu have been exposed through a lot of
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the things they have or haven't done over time. can i ask your politics out of interest, you don't have to tell me about what your politics, how did you vote at the last election? at the last election, i was switched off by the nationalism and the bully tactics which were imposed. i felt the and the bully tactics which were imposed. ifelt the remain campaign we re imposed. ifelt the remain campaign were supportive of that. how did you vote in the last general election? conservative in the last general election. so you will be watching the conservative party with great interest at the moment. thank you both very much indeed. let's go to rachel. iam in iamina i am in a part of our newsroom where i'm not often allowed. this is the control room, where they control what goes out on air. at the moment, we have our producers fielding the calls as they come in. and then felicity and hannah pushing the
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buttons, the faders, controlling what goes out on air. it's a very busy place to be fussed that we turn to the speakers down because normally there is a lot of noise in here and people talking to each other, giving out instructions. for you, it is quite an insight as to how you put together a programme like this, when we are trying to get this vast range of views on air but also find a mix and balance? yes, i guess we don't really see behind—the—scenes, how much effort and thought goes into what we watch. it makes you appreciate the news a bit more. i agree, ifind it it makes you appreciate the news a bit more. i agree, i find it really interesting because of its good seeing, i've seen more opinions today on brexit than i have done before, people that leave. i've enjoyed it. if there's one more thing you could say about the bbc coverage that you would like to see ora coverage that you would like to see or a different voice, what would it be? that's a tough one. i think it would be interesting for me to see where each and every fact comes from. so i know what's put out there
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by the bbc, but if i could know where it's coming from, whether fact or opinion, where it's coming from, that would be great. so many factor open to interpretation, as we have learned this morning. definitely. i think one thing i didn't like, not the bbc that a lot of the channels don't keep interviewing people that are brexit that look like they have just got out of bed and not had a wash. laughter are not educated. we allow everyone to have their views. if they are as well presented as you or otherwise! lets show two fair sides, not just showing the businessman who is remain. there are two sides to this. both of you feel quite passionate about this on either side but you must come into contact with people, friends and family, who are saying, i have had enough already! definitely. i think people have had enough. they are confused but it shouldn't have got to this point was up shouldn't have got to this point was up two years question might no wonder people have had enough, it
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should have been sorted in the beginning. i think that's what theresa may and the ministers have done. because they are remainers, they want us to have had enough. nikki trying to work out where they are going next with our producer. you have people saying they are bored and have had enough? yes and i agree. it's been too long. a decision needs to be made and it needs to be straightforward. it doesn't need to be so complicated. sometimes it isjust doesn't need to be so complicated. sometimes it is just agree to disagree. everyone is different. we are engaged and i have seen that on social media. lets read a few more. robert said, mainstream media use terms like crash out, disastrous about leave when there are other more positive comments about the opportunities after we leave. ciaran said, i still can't believe we've taken a decision which will affect our country for generations on the basis of a simple majority of those who voted. changing the status quo and a massive way should be on the basis of consensus. and the fact the majority for leave was amongst the
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older rather than younger parts of the population leaves me convinced this is nothing to do with democracy. if you want to have your say this morning, use the hashtag to ask this on twitter. you can also text us. the numbers are on screen. and now i hand back to you, nikki. sorry i was making a noise, i was pressing buttons and trying to work out what was going on, which is what eve ryo ne out what was going on, which is what everyone was asking this morning to stopjordan everyone was asking this morning to stop jordan in lincoln, everyone was asking this morning to stopjordan in lincoln, christine and busayo as well. on the point we heard from marie, a mark out of ten for the way that the mainstream media, we can put the bbc at the top of that, marks out of ten for impartiality over this whole piece. jordan? seven. chris lynn? seven.
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busayo? six. that went quite well, considering. christine, ithink busayo? six. that went quite well, considering. christine, i think you have a question chris morris can deal with, and thank you forjoining us. thank you, good morning. the economic confidence in the eurozone is falling quite considerably. today, the guardian reported that factories are suffering contraction isa factories are suffering contraction is a step then using the youth unemployment rates. it is not a healthy project to want to stay tied to. chris morris? there is no question the eurozone has some problems. one of the reasons why other countries want brexit sorted one way or another is they feel they are spending too much time on this endless argument with the uk. they know they have other things to deal with, notjust the health of know they have other things to deal with, not just the health of the eurozone but questions of migration, questions of splits and values between western and eastern european countries in the eu. so they have
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ple nty of countries in the eu. so they have plenty of other issues. you go to most other capitals around europe and brexit is not top of their agenda. when it keeps creeping up the agenda, they want to push it to one side. they are as keen, i think, as we are to get some kind of resolution. they certainly have their own problems to deal with. certainty as needed but i think the argument here still lies with people not accepting the outcome of the referendum, the result. so the progress is not going forward. certainty is not being gained because people are still arguing about should we leave or remain first i think if we could get through the exit and into the detail of negotiations, that would be far better for this country. and for the eu as well. i think it comes back to a couple of things that we had from the leave campaign in the referendum campaign nearly three years ago. numberone, campaign nearly three years ago. number one, they wait is to say the eu got into every aspect of our life and in that they are properly right. we have seen, who knew there was
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anything called the customs union. itjust chanted anything called the customs union. it just chanted along anything called the customs union. itjust chanted along in anything called the customs union. it just chanted along in the background and worked. they were right about how complicated that process was. right about how complicated that process was. i think where they were wrong, they said it would be really easy to leave all this and that has not proven to be the case, because we are talking about 45 years of laws and rules and regulations that do govern all areas of the economy. just clicking our fingers and walking away from that is very, very difficult to do. you have heard from all the callers, remain or leave, why don't we know more? but it's a very complicated process that no modern country like ours has ever tried to do in quite this scale before. you have all the facts on one hand and on the other hand, chris morris, you are what we need, the nation's family therapist, keeping us together and showing us their other points of view. also just manifestly that it is incredibly complicated, whole thing.
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now a tech entrepreneur from county tyrone, naomh. the centre of the storm. yes, i was listening and thinking you have very little to worry about compared to us. i read in the irish times motorists will have to get green cards to go up and down the road. so it isjust a mess. how is it going to work out for you? i was talking with a colleague yesterday and we were kind of... my dream would be to pretend this is a nightmare, didn't happen and we are still part of the eu, but u nfortu nately still part of the eu, but unfortunately that is not the situation. so it is like any divorce, it is how do we get to the point where we've become just good friends? and keep the kids out of counselling?! what of the arguments where you are? is it very backstop
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focused where you are or are people seeing the long—term picture?” focused where you are or are people seeing the long-term picture? ijust think the conversations that are happening at the minute with sdlp and sinn fein, they are looking to create this irish forum, where we can both agree as an all ireland, how we can deal with brexit. but you are dealing with such people living in the past, they are not futuristic, they are not seeing future generations and what we can do for business here. it is so frustrating because none of us know. none of us know what to prepare for, the volatility of the pound against the volatility of the pound against the euro. i literally live 20 miles from the border. it'sjust the euro. i literally live 20 miles from the border. it's just that total u ncerta i nty from the border. it's just that total uncertainty for businesses here in northern ireland, in particular, that we don't know what will happen. what about the ghost of the past? how much is that stalking people in northern ireland? listen,
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you only have to look at the assembly that is not in place. it is all in the past. it frustrates me, to be completely honest, because it's like we understand that there's a lot of trouble here in northern ireland in the past but we have to move on from it. unless the party sees the potential this brings, we're just sees the potential this brings, we'rejust going sees the potential this brings, we're just going round sees the potential this brings, we'rejust going round in circles. and there is a low level trouble all the time and the fear is it ramps up. of course, i live in cookstown and cou nty to course, i live in cookstown and county to ronan there was a bomb scare last weekend was we think seriously, are we going back to this? thank you, that is all we'd have time for on the news channel. thank you to all of you for getting in touch with us with your calls, with your texts and tweets and e—mails and thank you as well to our audience panellists for all their contributions and also to the brilliance of reality check‘s chris morris. it has been a
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fascinating special edition of your call. viewers on the channel, thank you and goodbye to you. have a good weekend. hello, good morning and happy cent david's day. also the first day of meteorological spring. whilst it properly felt like spring over the last few days, we had a big change through yesterday, much cooler conditions will stop still a lot of cloud around at the moment and that cloud around at the moment and that cloud will stick with us through much of today. later today, we start to see some rain moving in towards western areas, before out towards the atlantic, we have some weather systems brewing up which move their way in for the weekend. for the rest today, quite cloudy. potential for some showers across central and eastern areas of
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england. some brighter skies the south west england and across wales. some brightness in the north—east of scotland. staying dry for many of us, apart from their showers in the east, and temperatures getting to 10-13. east, and temperatures getting to 10—13. later this afternoon and through this evening, the rain is present in northern ireland, gradually pushing its way into scotland, england and wales. the rain pushes from west to east. it will break up gradually as it moves into eastern areas and overnight temperatures no lower than about 5-7. going into the weekend, it will be a fairly bright start but turning wet and windy, particularly through saturday afternoon and into sunday. this is the pressure chart. this area of low pressure moving its way in on saturday. the isobar is getting closer together, so some fairly strong winds, especially to northern and western areas through saturday forced a bright start after any saturday forced a bright start after a ny early saturday forced a bright start after any early morning shower is clear to the east but the rain gathers in the west through northern ireland. the rain heavy across scotland and eventually into wales, the
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south—west of england. central and eastern parts probably staying dry for most of the day on saturday but increasing winds and temperatures 12-14. by 12-14. by sunday, rain affecting southern areas still. this will develop, this areas still. this will develop, this area of low pressure, moving its way in and it will bring heavy rain, spreading northwards and strong winds developing. temperature is about 9—13 but it is this feature that the met office have named storm freya. strong winds on the irish sea coast, gusts of up to 70—80 miles an hour on sunday evening and into monday. it doesn't look like much at the moment but it is a developing area of low pressure. it will move its way through. as we go into monday, it should have played away but expect there could be some disruption through sunday evening, especially for travelling.
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