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this is bbc news. between donald trump and kimjong un. there was no return the headlines at 12.00pm: to the name—calling either — no "rocket man" or "deranged dotard" — it was still smiles and handshakes as they parted. but remember, the north korean leader goes back to sit at a desk on which he says he has a nuclear three, two, one, zero, ignition, liftoff. button commanding a fleet of weapons spacex's falcon rocket blasts off that can reach anywhere in the us. into orbit from florida's kennedy space centre it's so what did the hanoi on a mission to show nasa it can carry astronauts into space. summit achieve? labour's internal row over anti—semitism has deepened with two greg, you set us off. it achieved of the party's most senior figures clashing over how to handle complaints. precisely nothing. it was a total failure in terms of producing any tangible progress towards reports from the disputed region denuclearisation. clearly it did not of kashmir say there's been accomplish anything. i'm not one of a new violation of the ceasefire those who criticises president trump along the line of control for meeting with him. the us foreign between india and pakistan. britain's golden girls — katerina johnson—thompson takes gold in the pentathlon and laura muir policy establishment things it is a mistake to go into summits without defends her three thousand metres any proper preparation or agenda. it does not hurt anything to talk, and i think one could argue perhaps it is less of a confrontational situation. they have accomplished
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nothing, and the spectacle of the president of the united states fawning over quite a brutal dictator makes a lot of americans and a lot of people around the world quite uncomfortable. this is his style, the way he does business. on the achievement of nothing. they have had with stick tests for the last six months, they have had none of those. to a degree, that's true. that is an argument that bears some fruit. we are no closer to an agreement. i don't believe the north koreans are serious about giving up their weapons. i am supporting in general the idea that it's better to have these talks than not. analisa? yes, absolutely. it was always bound to bea yes, absolutely. it was always bound to be a long and torturous and difficult process, so you actually expect him to come out with
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something over, he will shut these down, was a bit unrealistic. i would say it is a good process and a signal that north korea is feeling the weight of the sanctions and is feeling that they need to do something. one side of it that was interesting that did not make it to the front page of the newspapers was that north koreans are increasing cyber attacks on american financial institutions, or western financial institutions, or western financial institutions because they are desperate for cash. there is a clear sense there is a crisis going on in terms of what the sanctions have done to north korea. they are strapped and desperate for cash. all of these things mean that there probably will be more progress on the part of the north koreans. yasmin, there is a camp that says kim jong—un winsor in this process, he gets to sit at the big table, present himself as an international
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statesman. do you agree that he has been posted to that table? statesman. do you agree that he has been posted to that table ?|i statesman. do you agree that he has been posted to that table? i don't think he allows softer be pushed to any table. he is one of the worst, most murderous, and predictable dictators. it is strange to me how comfortable trump feels with men like these. he is comfortable with president putin and these men, men ofa certain president putin and these men, men of a certain kind. but one must not forget the desperate need that has i'iow forget the desperate need that has now been expressed over several years between south korea and north korea. they want things to change almost as much as the rest of us do, but for other reasons. this is about their lives, their families, their ancestral connections. one of the things i'm pleased about is that this is a man who says, i never fail when it comes to deal. he failed.
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some of the people who love him. the red states. they will ask, what happened here? will they? they will, but a lot of people will side with relief. it was cut short by a day. you don't want leader to leader diplomacy to last very long. you don't want them alone and striking a deal between the two of them. you have no idea what's going to come out. well, unless you think that that kind of personal chemistry and trust building between two key people will make a difference. but that comes after a long time of negotiation, step—by—step by both administrations. i feel sorry for the south korea leader, who put so much behind the reconciliation of the two countries, he is the one i felt sorry for. you also never
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know... trump wanted the —— trump said that north korea wanted the lifting of all sanctions. they haven't provided an inventory of the production of their nuclear missiles. it is the fourth us president entering negotiations with north korea. and i think there will be more. they were the first to meet, obviously. coming back to yasmin‘s question about what trump has micro base things about all of those. ego to say that it was a diplomatic bright spot, he did something, he took the initiative. what are people back home going to think of hanoi? back home is very diverse and, more important back home was co—in‘s testimony —— was
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cohen's testimony. in hanoi, home was co—in's testimony —— was cohen's testimony. in hanoi, he did what he said he was going to do. the trump sceptics are saying, why is he partying up to this man question mckee is papering over than american citizen. that young man, his young family were not impressed by president trump talking about how he believed kim jong—un earn, president trump talking about how he believed kimjong—un earn, that president trump talking about how he believed kim jong—un earn, that he didn't know what happened there. believed kim jong—un earn, that he didn't know what happened therem the litmus test forjudging a nation's behaviour is whether donald trump believes personally the words of the other leader, then i think it's hard to know how anything will get accomplished or established. americans don't buy it when he says, i understood him to be telling the truth, or he says the same about vladimir putin. george w bush said famously that he looked into the
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eyes of vladimir putin and had seen his soul and understood him. i'm exaggerating a bit. then he came to regret that position over the years. looking deep into the eyes of the opposite leader, i think, has full and flat. is it falling flat for his base? what does his base make of this cosying up to ruthless dictators? there is nothing that donald trump is doing that is falling foul of his base at the moment. let's talk about the next big issue for donald trump back home. the line is... he's a racist, a conman and a cheat — the character reference this week from a man who once said he'd do anything to protect mr trump. but did michael cohen's testimony to congress tell americans anything about their president that they didn't already know, guess, or discount as lies? greg, i know you watch this, because you were ill at home and you watched all seven hours of his testimony.
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was it showbiz or something else? this was not showbiz. i will be brief, but this was very real, very direct, under oath, if he is found to have been lying to congress, his jail sentence will go from three yea rs jail sentence will go from three years to ten, 15, the rest of his life in prison. this was not showbiz, this was very high—stakes and very much on the record. what cohen did was present evidence that trump was engaged in illegal activities will stop we will not know for another six or 18 or 2a months. this was not for show, this was real. donald trump and supporters say he is a proven liar, so supporters say he is a proven liar, so why other believing anything he says, even under oath? that is the most tragic aspect of what otherwise
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could look like a farce. the moral corrosion, the kind of complete disappearance of the border between being a good man, of integrity, and being a good man, of integrity, and being a good man, of integrity, and being a cheat, racist, a lawyer, someone being a cheat, racist, a lawyer, someone who pays a porn actress. we are now at a stage in which it is a gang against the world. whatever their leader does, he is always that leader. it is phenomenally tragic, because american democracy has been inspiring for countries all over the world. as you were talking, i was thinking it sounds like italian politics. some of it must be familiar to you? absolutely. when the rest of the world was laughing at italy because of silvio
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berlusconi's actions, nobody felt that there was some kind of great democratic tradition and inspiring values that were under attack. when it comes to america, and you see the indifference of the biggest majority of americans to these moral corrosion of their own democracy, thatis corrosion of their own democracy, that is tragic. one of the interesting things is that is worse than that. i agree, when you put it so than that. i agree, when you put it so well. there are people there. there a wonderful line in salman rushdie's new book, which is set in trouble's america, where a character says, we know he is all of this, we know he is a liar, a criminal, that's why we like him. he is like one of us, he says it like it is. it is almost that the appeal of trump is almost that the appeal of trump is that he is this morally dodgy trap, which is even more frightening. coming back to what
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greg was saying, there is a legal process under way here as well. the president's pit bull has bitten him on the bottom, and the question is, what next? exactly, buti on the bottom, and the question is, what next? exactly, but i think there is this problem that this guy was a lawyer, was an operator, a middleman for the president for the longest time, and even i feel, do i believe him? iwish longest time, and even i feel, do i believe him? i wish i longest time, and even i feel, do i believe him? iwish i had longest time, and even i feel, do i believe him? i wish i had watched. longest time, and even i feel, do i believe him? iwish i had watched. i wa nt believe him? iwish i had watched. i want to be persuaded. the point remains, though, that there is this very important process going on, legal process, political process, but they seem to have no bearing on populism, the populace of america. sound and fury signifying nothing very much, or did you watch it couude very much, or did you watch it collude and think this is the beginning of something?” collude and think this is the beginning of something? i watched it and went to somebody because the president of the united states of america a bigot, cheat and con
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artist, we are not even shocked. this is the more shocking thing. we probably know it is true. we had lost complete trust in this man, and the institutions to appoint when i think the democrats are quite right not to talk about the eye word, impeachment. they are just waiting for all of these different words of enquiries to come to an end, so that we know everything there is to know, and something is going to happen. impeachment is so divisive, so partisan. i'm not sure it's the right way to go, and they know that. he might for one be considered for tax evasion. that is probable the only thing left. or obviously for collusion with russia. but facts are
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important. the last thing i would like to say... i was of course shocked but not so astonished by what i heard about trump, but the response from the republican party is extraordinary. the cool calculation by standing by a guy... they are willing to overlook everything that he has done wrong and know he has done wrong, just for tribalism, and the republican party is going to go not well. it is such an is going to go not well. it is such n ugly is going to go not well. it is such an ugly look for history books. and yet, greg, coming back to everything that you charted as though seven hours went by, people know he is not a boy scout, as we have heard from this side of the table, and yet there is a difference between unethical behaviour and criminal behaviour. coming back to the politics, is there a point at which the republican party looks at the legal process and says, 2020 is getting closer, should we think
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about another candidate? getting closer, should we think about another candidate ?|j getting closer, should we think about another candidate? i don't think there is a point at which they say we will nominate a different candidate for the presidency. they may look when the muller report comes in. they might say, i see evidence of criminality here, here, here, i see a pattern of criminality and i'm no longer willing to support this presidency. that is how president nixon lost his power in congress and came to the conclusion he had to resign. something similar could happen in the us, but it is nowhere near happening yet. one thing i want to say quickly, something cohen said in his last paragraph did not get much attention, but i did not see him say it, but i saw it written down. he said, in the end, i fear that if president trump loses in 2020, there will not be a peaceful transition of power. i also had that thought myself because i remember how he said he would not trust the result if he didn't win the first time
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around. that was chilling, that he said that. that deserves some attention, but it got lost and everything else will stop we will leave the job discussion on that sobering thought and we've closer to home. brexit needs no introduction when we're less than four weeks away... orare we? the prime minister has set out a careful list of ifs which might result in a delay. will those ifs come to pass and, if they do, what then? so, agnes, take is away on that one. i was interested by what michelle barnier said i was interested by what michelle barniersaid in an i was interested by what michelle barnier said in an interview he gave to spanish, german, french and italian papers yesterday. he sort of changed his tune. a week ago, he said... he was having and puffing and saying that an extension, what for? we need a decision. you need good reasons for an extension. yesterday, he said an extension is unavoidable, and will be granted,
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although he is not the one to grant it, it is the 27. that is slightly different. so it looks as though we are going there, if her deal is not voted on on the 12th of march, because that is another possibility and we will go back to that later. he also said some other things. the backstop will not be removed, or there won't be any time limit on it. and he said the eu is ready for no deal, which i'm not sure is the case. so different language. when you say you are not sure, are you implying that this is a bargaining position as we get closer to the line? the whole thing is not a bargain, because it's not something the eu wanted from the start. what i'm saying is that i doubt anybody on the continent or he is ready for no deal, because nobody knows what will happen. you'd be surprised with the eye was talking on television
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la st the eye was talking on television last week with nadine doris, an adamant leader, who said on television, we are ready, this country is ready for a no deal exit. everybody is ready. honestly, there is this mad fantasyland we are living in. according to her. she is strong for the no deal site, so...” should intervene here and say it is a mad fa ntasyland. should intervene here and say it is a mad fantasyland. she would say that you are a project via person. exec lee what she said. the smacker exactly what she said. everybody is worried. we have had a relationship with the eu for so long, i would be surprised if nobody was worried about it. leaving how much people ca re about it. leaving how much people care or don't care about no deal, other negotiations going anywhere? no, i don't think so. nobody... the
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two parties are divided. the resignations say... one of the cleve re st resignations say... one of the cleve rest lawyers, resignations say... one of the cleverest lawyers, theresa may's, said that if you don't agree to my deal, it is no deal. that one is playing even amongst those who are very pro—eu. but i think the numbers don't add up. the numbers and the time are too short now. great. what you are calling theresa may's ploy, she may be able to get together a deal that gets enough support to pass by two or three votes. that is possible, and people at the ap also agree. there is this implied threat that you might go off the cliff, and there will be no connection between calais and dover, and good luck getting fresh fruit and vegetables. it is project fear. i did not hear
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what michelle barnier said, but in general the tone from europe in the last 1a days has been harsher and a bit more exasperated, white on the world can't they agree on anything? also what you said earlier about what happens with those who will not agree with anything? nigel faraj is now threatening a march. promising a march. if he pulls that off, which he could, he is a big influence, one of the biggest in this country. there will be an after—shock to whatever the decision is. we are in a bad place. just dealing with the parliamentary arithmetic. you have heard that prime minister may be using the threat of no deal to get in line behind her deal. the other
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stick that she could use to get the brexit supporters is the threat of a delay, hence the talk of delay? yes, but all of these tactics are not working. so it's hard to see how they will finally kind of work closer to the 29th of march deadline. i think it's more likely that an extension of article 50 will be granted because, at the end of the day, apart from the gesticulation santa announcements, the reality is that nobody is ready for brexit. reality will hit hard the closer we get to the 29th of march. what with the extension before? that is the question. the 27 are ready to grant an extension as long as there is good reason for it. it is not for theresa may to keep kicking the can down the road, that is clear. it will need to be
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substantial reasoning and preparation for the extension. what would be realistic would be for theresa may to say, let's give ourselves one year for a deal, or for a second referendum, putting the deal, whatever that deal would look like, to the people and trying to reconcile this country, which has been split in the middle for too long. she has said again and again she would not agree to a second referendum. she might not, but she might be forced to. let's talk about labour, because obviously this weekend there are huge ructions about anti—semitism within the labour party. however, overthe about anti—semitism within the labour party. however, over the past few days, we have seen white smoke coming out of the top leaders, about
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letting that deal through in order they can go to a ratification referendum. do you believe that? no, i don't believe that and i don't think thatjeremy i don't believe that and i don't think that jeremy corbyn, who is a brexit supporter, is being sincere about this was top nobody is being sincere. it is about keeping the party and each party going and winning, or whatever. if party and each party going and winning, orwhatever. if we had party and each party going and winning, or whatever. if we had a more coherent position on what the opposition once, we might be in a better place. but that's split. labour party mps... better place. but that's split. labour party mps. .. they say one thing at 10pm and another one at 1pm, and by 8am it is obsolete and nobody remembers. they have got four or five people speaking. keir starmer knows what they want, what he wants. yvette cooper presented
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herself well. what i'm hearing is that, as this clock ticks down, we are in the month of march now, where are in the month of march now, where are we headed? we have less than four weeks to sort this out?” are we headed? we have less than four weeks to sort this out? i would not be surprised if there is an extension. but not a year long, because basically this would mean that the uk needs to organise european elections, and this is out of the question for may. this means three months, three month extension. there are two macro conditions. labour says, there are two macro conditions. laboursays, ok, there are two macro conditions. labour says, ok, but we need a second referendum on your deal. so how would they tailor their question in the referendum? because the remain option is probable not what corbin wants. the other thing is that the tory party says, we will
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vote for your deal, but tell us when you are going to go, because we want you are going to go, because we want you out. those are the three options. you are really sitting on the fence was top is anybody coming off the fence? i sort of think that theresa may has a strategy which is slowly and an embarrassing way working. i think the opposition has no strategy, and no strategic goals. soi no strategy, and no strategic goals. so i have a feeling, if we don't think of march 29 but we think of six months down the road, theresa may will have gotten a lot of what she wants, in some form. we have to leave it there, i'm afraid. we will have opportunities to discuss this before the 29th of march was. that's it for dateline london for this week — we're back next week at the same time. goodbye.
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hello there. it was a fairly quiet start to the weekend. however, we expect weight and 20 whether to push on from the atlantic by the time we get to the latter part of sunday. we have storm for a on the way. that has yet to develop into a storm. it will come from that area of cloud there. this cloud bringing some wet weather. it is brightening up in the south—east, we have bright weather here. it is already into northern ireland, pushing into scotland and north wales was top strong to gale
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force winds here. as you can see, a southerly wind, so not that cold. temperatures in the rain around ten or 11 degrees were stopped it stays low to drive through the middle and said eastern england, 13 or 1a is likely. we will get rain here later in the evening, which could linger all night across southern parts of england. at the same time, it gets really windy in north scotland, gales or strong gales frequent and with gusts as well. tomorrow morning, temperature stepping away to three orfour celsius. morning, temperature stepping away to three or four celsius. tomorrow, windy for much of the day for north—west scotland. lots of showers, especially in the morning. the rain in southern england that wales moves northwards. how far north will it get? perhaps into northern ireland. rain, strengthening winds, temperatures in double figures for england and wales. it is the wind we need to worry about later in the day, because this is when we have the
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arrival of storm for. that is a deepening area of low pressure. the track could change was that we have yellow warnings from the met office. it is into the evening that the winds pick up, initially in the south—west of finland and wales, 60 or70, south—west of finland and wales, 60 or 70, maybe even 80 mph near western coasts. the strong winds push north overnights towards northern parts of england. it stays windy here through the night. into the rush—hour, it stays windy on monday morning in north—eastern parts of england and south—east scotland, then the storm moves away and leaves us with a blustery day on monday with sunshine and showers.
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