hello, it's monday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. britain is in the "dark ages" when it comes to fighting knife crime, says britain's former top cop. two 17—year—olds were stabbed and killed over the weekend in london and greater manchester. it needs a leader and somebody who is day after day going to say, "what are the police doing? what are the other agencies doing?" "how can we get the charities to work together?" if it is not treated as a crisis, it will take another two years before we see action. new figures show the number of children in england aged 16 and under being stabbed rose by 93% between 2016 and 2018. trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport. that's the view of the former british swimmer sharron davies, who has called for urgent research into the issue. she's been called a transphobe and accused of "spreading hate speech".

we'll talk to her live at 10:15 and to lucy clarke, a trans referee. and how can we eat in a way that's good for the planet? students at loughborough university are going to try and change their diets this week as part of our sustainability challenge. or is way three of our sustainability challenge, we live in loughborough, this week it is food week, they are going to going to have to drastically change their dietand have to drastically change their diet and cut down on the amount they waste. and we'll talk to these women who are on "birth strike" — they've have decided they won't have children because of the impact on the planet. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning with some new colours and a new logo — hope you like it. and if you don't, we have done it

now, it is too late! what do you think of sharron davis, former olympic swimmer, saying that transgender women who have a so—called "male sex advantage" should not be able to compete in women's sport? we will talk to sharron davies and lucy clark later. anthony on twitter: "i totally agree with sharron davies." "what if caitlinjenner has changed her gender while she was still competing, a men s olympic gold medal decathlete then joins the women s heptathlete competition, would that be fair?" angela on twitter: "why are people segmented by gender anyway?" "people should be assessed and matched to compete according to their overall characteristics — build, muscle mass or something." let us know your views, send us an e—mail, and you can message us on twitter, of course. the home secretary will meet senior police chiefs later this week at the two more teenagers were killed in stabbings over the weekend. jodie chesney and yousef makki were killed in separate incidents on friday and

saturday night. sajid javid, the home secretary, has said the situation cannot go on. the former commissioner of the metropolitan police, bernard hogan—howe, says the government needs to appoint somebody to coordinate the fight against knife crime. it needs a leader. somebody who is day after day going to say, "what are the police doing? what are the other agencies doing?" "how can we get the charities to work together?" if it is not treated as a crisis, it will take another two years before we see action. fashion show in ted baker says its ceo has resigned after allegations of misconduct. ray kelvin had been ona of misconduct. ray kelvin had been on a voluntary leave of absence since the claims came to light in denmark last year when employees launched an online petition. he founded ted baker in 1988 and denies the allegations. the government is launching a fund which it says will help some of england's least

well—off towns. the £1.6 billion will be made available to boost employment and training opportunities. more than half of the money will go to the north of england and the midlands. labour has called for stronger towns fund a desperate brexit bride. at least 23 people, some of them children, had been killed in tornadoes which swept through the us state of alabama. the storm struck causing catastrophic damage according to a county sheriff. the national weather service has recorded winds of up to 165 mph, more than 20,000 homes are still without power. here, the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse is beginning to hear evidence this morning about the way institutions responded to allegations against prominent figures at westminster. that powerful men might have been involved in paedophile rings were central to the government's decision to up the inquiry in 2014, but some of the claims have since been found to be false, and the scope of the

investigation has been greatly reduced. graduates with no experience of police work are being invited to apply to become detectives. a five year programme run bya detectives. a five year programme run by a charity is being launched, supported by the national police chiefs‘ council and the home office. it initially aims to fill 90 vacancies in eight forces across england and wales. the government is to set aside £2 million to help tackle what is known as period property in the developing world. this is where women cannot afford access to sanitary products. any mordant will announce the move ahead of international women‘s day, which falls later this week. in some developing countries, it is estimated half of all women and girls are forced to use rags, grass 01’ girls are forced to use rags, grass or paper to manage their periods. well, that is all the latest news, 110w well, that is all the latest news, now back to victoria. good morning, welcome to the programme. later on, we‘ll be talking about ted baker. the founder of the brand, ray kelvin, has resigned after allegations that he forced members of his staff to hug him. were you one of them?

let me know. the home secretary is meeting his serious violence taskforce later this week after two teenagers were fatally stabbed in different parts of the country this weekend. jodie chesney was killed in harold hill near romford in east london on friday night — she was 17. yousef makki was attacked in hale barns near altrincham on saturday evening — he was also 17. two 17 year—olds have been arrested. the incidents follow three teenagers dying in knife attacks injust two weeks in birmingham. the west midlands police and crime commissioner, david jamieson, has said we are facing a "national emergency". the home secretary, sajid javid, said it‘s "vital we stop this senseless violence". the metropolitan police and greater manchester police have appealed for witnesses to come forward.

we can speak now to labour councillor tele lawal, who‘s local to the area where jodie chesney was stabbed, sophie linden, london‘s deputy mayor for policing, and we will talk to more guests when they arrive. thank you both for coming on the programme, i want to ask you first of all for your and people in the area‘s response to the death ofjodie people in the area‘s response to the death of jodie chesney, people in the area‘s response to the death ofjodie chesney, and also to yousef makki. it is a complete shock in our community, something that has made our community really wake up and think, do you know what? central government needs to do more, there needs to be more funding implemented into social services, adult social services, youth services, into policing, because this cannot continue. we cannot continue to see young people‘s lives being taken away at such a young age, when they had a whole life ahead of them. it again, we are seeing young people carrying knives, and it is them

thinking, why are they carrying knives, what could have been done? is it early intervention? so the community is just shocked, the community is just shocked, the community is just shocked, the community is scared, it is not something that usually happens in oui’ something that usually happens in our community, so everyone is a bit speechless. what is your reaction? well, i am a mother of four, mighty mike the youngest of 15 and 18, and i cannot begin to imagine the anguish that their families are going through, and their friends and the community, and i'm sure it is just as tele has described, just sickening that young people are losing their lives, and it is happening too often in london and across the country, and that is why sadiq khan is determined to tackle this head on. he is investing in the police to get knives of the straight and catch these who are perpetrating this awful violence, and also investing in prevention, like you talk about, millions going into programmes for over 60,000 young people this year so that they can be

diverted away from causing trouble, diverted away from causing trouble, diverted to the right path. that will be nearly 200 projects in london because of the investment the mayor is put in. does that mean it is not working? there are a few things that need to happen, and you have covered this awful violence thatis have covered this awful violence that is happening in london and across the country, i have been on before, and it is really complex. we have to have the police enforcing, the mayor has invested millions into the mayor has invested millions into the metropolitan police, and there are over 300 police officers at a special task force dedicated to this. they have made over 3000 arrested and taken thousands of weapons off the streets. but you cannot arrest your way out of this problem, and what is needed is early intervention and prevention. the mayor is tackling that, but he is hamstrung by national government, which is pulling away the funding, cutting funding to vital services, like youth workers, mental health services, and schools are vital, and

thatis services, and schools are vital, and that is why we have been consistently, over the years, calling on government to step up and play its part in working with us under the police and crime commissioners to tackle the problem. you will know that central government have set up the serious violence taskforce, chaired by the home secretary, they say they have got 61 commitments for further action, including 21 million in the early intervention fund, and they have provided over 17 million funding for 29 projects endorsed by police and crime commissioners, they have knife crime prevention orders coming in, there is a list of things they are doing, including putting their money where their mouth is. are welcome the funding... is it not enough? it is absolutely not enough. when you put it into context, £22 million across the country, the mayor has put £45 million into a fund for london, under the commissioners are putting money into intervention. it is not enough to make up for the millions of pounds of cuts to vital services for

ensuring that young people are given the best way out, given the ability to do as well at school, not to be excluded, for families and parents to work with them. this is a complex problem, it is policing, it is youth services, working with parents, and we have to work together, we need to go we have to work together, we need to 9° up we have to work together, we need to go up to step up, notjust warm words and meetings, we have been calling on them for years to do this, and it is a little bit too light for the home secretary to be pulling in chief constables now, when we have this happening on our streets. tele, tell our audience what you know aboutjodie chesney. streets. tele, tell our audience what you know about jodie chesneylj am aware that she went to my former sixth form, i am aware that she was a scout, she was loved by the community, and to have a person like her taken away from our community, is that not a wake—up call to our government? for me, it‘sjust shocked us all, it shocked her family, everybody, of course, and it is sad, but then itjust highlights,

especially for me as a counsellor, what more can we be doing in our council, what more can we be doing asa council, what more can we be doing as a community, and i always say that you need to keep on reporting so that the intelligence can be built and resources can be implemented in the right way. if you are saying, i am saying this but you have not reported it, i‘ll happily supposed to prioritise resources? how is the council supposed to intervene? so refer to the relevant authorities, refer to the relevant partners, whether it is school, gp services, whoever it is. ray douglas is joining services, whoever it is. ray douglas isjoining us, good morning, you work with young people around the country to prevent them from getting involved in violent crime, david jamieson, the police and crime commissionerfor the jamieson, the police and crime commissioner for the west midlands. good morning to you. bernard hogan—howe, the former top cop in this country, says there is not enough leadership, and that we need, amongst other things, a knife crime

tsar. he said he didn‘t particularly like the word, but we understand what it means, do you agree?|j like the word, but we understand what it means, do you agree? i think it is probably more complicated... of course, he acknowledges that.|j of course, he acknowledges that.” am sure that would help, but there isa numberof am sure that would help, but there is a number of things that have come together, one is the drug trade and all the violence that goes with that, and what has happened there is violence has been normalised amongst young people. we have got large numbers of children being recruited, who are excluded from school, they are being recruited into the drugs trade, and they are getting in violence. we know that a lot of the violent crime in the west midlands, and i'm sure it is true in london and i'm sure it is true in london and elsewhere, a lot of the children involved are actually excluded from school. yeah. not all, but quite a few of them. add to that that local authorities have virtually ceased youth work, it is not happening to any degrade us it was previously. in my area, you take out 2000 officers,

a lethal combination of things that has led to this really serious violence we are seeing on our streets. it is not the norm for all teenagers, but it is becoming more normal to carry a knife, to use a knife. we are talking about a systemic problem, a generation who have grown around the internet and access to violence, desensitisation to violence, but also, alongside that, you have issues about masculinity, we could spend a whole show talking about that... don't worry, we have, and we are no further forward, we are worry, we have, and we are no furtherforward, we are having worry, we have, and we are no further forward, we are having the same conversations. i believe violence has become dominant in youth culture, as you say, not every young person is involved, we know that, but if the dominant youth culture is the intersectional tea of

music, language, film, what is happening in the media, young people are so connected. one of the reasons i‘ve come here today is because something happened that we said would, that it would no longer be a stereotypical black lad from the floods, it is other communities, thatis floods, it is other communities, that is my argument about it becoming a dominant youth culture. pa rents, becoming a dominant youth culture. parents, when the teenagers walk out, they don‘t fear they will be involved in a terror attack to they fear they will be involved in a knife related attack, when you speak to parents, that is what you say. i would like to see more work around this, but heightened to the level of terrorism, because more people are dying at the end of a knife than terror related attacks. talking about life preservation across the board, we have to start now dealing with the systemic issues, rather than small projects and programmes — we have outgrown that. and as an emergency, jodie chesney, according to police, was sitting in a park with some nights, including her

boyfriend, sitting on a bench listening to music, stabbed in the back. i mean, itjust doesn‘t make sense. can ijust say about being no further forward in treating systemic problems, in places like london, we are beginning to see really, really early signs of stabilisation... where is your evidence of that? early signs of stabilisation... where is your evidence of that7m had fallen by the end of last year, thatis had fallen by the end of last year, that is no compensation for those who have lost their loved ones, but we are beginning to see the early signs. but we are not able to make more progress without the government stepping up, and it is really, really important that they do so. 0k. lease of his numbers have fallen, cuts to youth services and mental health services, those are the systemic problems we should be dealing with to make sure that those communities that are really affected by knife crime, and it is everybody thatis by knife crime, and it is everybody that is affected, but the most

deprived and poorer communities in london, i am sure the same in the we st london, i am sure the same in the west midlands, are really affected by the scourge of violence. at how well are we working with those communities, engaging with those communities? the same issues are occurring, but when you speak to communities, they say, no—one is speaking to us, with the police, with the services we need, nobody is speaking to them. we have all these strategies, but he was engaged with them? not those that are most affected. i feel that the them? not those that are most affected. ifeel that the main them? not those that are most affected. i feel that the main thing that we need to start doing is mobilising communities, speaking to them. we have the independent advisory group, the stop and search group, the safer neighbourhoods groups, but those are not the people who are directly affected, police need to keep communicating with the communities. it is a national issue, lam being communities. it is a national issue, i am being invited to smaller towns across the country, which are having

knife crime problems. birmingham, my home town, three teenage murders in ten days within three kilometres. that is a tipping point nationally. how are you trying to stop young people carrying a knife? a blower early intervention is the start. that means there has to be some statute around how we work in schools, not an afterthought. schools have to have it embedded in a curriculum, and some schools are doing quite well, but i would like to see more statute around this work, cbt for practitioners, skilling staff and practitioners, some deep dive parenting work. what does that mean? basic stuff with parents, you would be very surprised how many parents aren't doing basic stuff. and more partnership work. how many parents aren't doing basic stuff. and more partnership workm that where we are at, parents need to count how many knives are in the draw, to make sure one is not missing? definitely, to let them

know that mum and dad are switched on. right? and meaning... some professionals have contacted me whose children have been found with knives, professionals, in primary school. and they are female as well. so for me, we have to do now, people talk about a public health response, and we have to be careful that we do not hide behind the jargon, we have to invest. like they have in scotland. is a word missing, community centred public health response. much of the work we need to do, we have got the mechanism to do it, we are working with parents in parts of birmingham, with mothers particularly who are coping on their own with difficult teenage boys, we have got the systems for that, we should be tackling exclusions from school. government could stop some of the informal of rolling, as they call it, by fining some of these

schools, but most of all we need the resource to do it, and the other thing we need is a grown—up, intelligent discussion about drugs... meaning what? a new approach. what we‘re doing at the moment is failing, we are throwing billions of pounds into trying to solve the drug problem. we have looked at a programme, within current laws, of diversionary work to get people away from drugs and criminality. it is that type of conversation we have to have. the home secretary, a lot of talk about getting tough — you don‘t arrest your way out of a problem like this. the police to a valuable job in suppressing certain types of crime, but in the end it is strengthening communities and putting in place real action that will make a difference. thank you so much for coming on the programme, thank you for your time. still to come, we‘ll talk exclusively to three women who‘ve made a pact not to have children until the planet no longer faces global extinction.

so they may never be having children, obviously! and the labour mp louise ellman says she faces a barrage of anti—semitic abuse — we‘ll ask her if she‘s thinking about leaving the party. the founder and chief exec of ted baker, the fashion retailer, has resigned following allegations of misconduct, including "forced hugging" of members of his staff. ray kelvin had been on a voluntary leave of absence since the claims emerged in december when employees launched an online petition accusing him of inappropriate comments and behaviour. ray kelvin denies the allegations. we can speak now to business correspondent, ben bland. what do we know about why now? well, he has been on a voluntary leave of absence, as you say, since december, and this petition has now gathered more than 200 ted baker staff, finally breaking their silence on this, and we understand 50 reported

incidents of alleged harassment at the fashion group, so it got to a point ina the fashion group, so it got to a point in a statement ray kelvin said, difficult though the decision is, given that it has been my life and soulfor over 30 is, given that it has been my life and soul for over 30 years, the right thing is to step away and allow the business to focus, so he is now taking a step away from it, and an investigation is going on, the company is investigating the misconduct allegations, and this means that someone else will take charge of it, lindsay page will continue in the role, but she has said that as chief executive will only stay until the end of 2020. but ray kelvin started the store in glasgow. we have talked about force hugging and what that might mean, some staff say that young female members of staff were forced to do

things like set on his knee, cuddle him, let him massage their ears. these are all allegations that ray kelvin denies, but this has got to a point now where i think he feels it isa point now where i think he feels it is a distraction from the business, and so he has decided to step away. it is interesting, when you look at the share price, always a gauge of how investors feel about this — they had fallen 4% and have since picked up had fallen 4% and have since picked up and rebounded, that isjust in the days so far. if you look over the days so far. if you look over the course of the year, they are down about 40% from where they work this time last march. thank you, ben. we hope later to talk to a woman who alleges inappropriate behaviour at the hands of ray kelvin later in the programme. next, sharron davies, a former olympic medal—winning swimmer for great britain, is calling on sporting authorities to urgently research the impact of trans athletes competing in women‘s sport. ms davies, who won medals at the commonwealth and olympic games, says that "those with a male sex advantage should not be able to

compete in women‘s sport." at the moment, the international olympic committee allows people that have transitioned from male to female to compete in women‘s sport, providing their levels of the male hormone testosterone are below a certain point for 12 months prior to an event. testosterone helps boost muscle growth and is found in higher levels in men than women. tennis champion martina navratilova was criticised for making similar comments earlier this year. in a moment, we‘ll talk to lucy clarke, who‘s a trans referee, but first let‘s talk to sharron davies. good morning to you, sharron, thank you for coming on the programme. this is about whether trans women athletes have a physical advantage, what are you worried about? athletes have a physical advantage, what are you worried abounm athletes have a physical advantage, what are you worried about? it is very specific, this is not something thatis very specific, this is not something that is aimed at the transgender community, i would say that my and my friends are very proud, this is absolutely about a level playing field in sport, and the fact that a transgender man

field in sport, and the fact that a tra nsgender man that field in sport, and the fact that a transgender man that transitions to a woman can compete in a men‘s race and probably be at a disadvantage, whereas a transgender man converting to bea whereas a transgender man converting to be a woman will have a physical advantage, and so that is not fair on everyone else in the race, and i spent ten years racing against east germans, which was a different process but the same result, i was standing next to people that meant, no matter how hard i worked in training, i couldn‘t beat them. no matter how hard i worked in training, i couldn't beat them. is this, for you, about trans women who have not had gender reassignment or gender confirmation surgery? so biologically they still have the body of a man? in america at the moment, there are 17 states where young boys who identify as girls can race against girls up to high school level, which is 18. we have seen races where they have been able to get scholarships, scholarships for women to go to university, and that must be very difficult. an 18—year—old boy he was not on any

form of chemical or surgical help is just a boy, he is absolutely biologically a boy, they are big and strong and strapping out 18 years of age. no, this is purely about the physical advantages that is there when you are born, it stays with you for the rest of your life. sorry to interrupt, those rules brought in by the ioc in 2016, where they say testosterone levels which would have been present in a trans woman‘s body since birth have to have been below this particular level, a certain level for at least one year before their first competitive event — you say that is not enough? it is not enough. it used to be two years, it has been recently changed to one year, and what i am saying is, biologically, if you go through puberty as a young male and come out the other side with all the benefits ofa the other side with all the benefits of a larger hard, you are probably taller and stronger, you certainly

have more testosterone, you have more red blood cells, a dense bone structure, all of those things will stay with you, the things that are bought do my part of your dna stay with you. what about the point made by some that there is no level playing field in sport? you have competed against women who were short of the new, taller than you, we can come and stronger. in the olympic final, i have to say we were pretty much all the same, most people who get there are all quite tall, and gymnastics they are all quite small, in major competitions and basketball they are quite tall. so what happens is that you go to do any sport that physiologically knows there is some benefits for, so i was not competing against people that we re not competing against people that were four foot six or seven foot two, they were all pretty much my height. so it is as level a playing field as we can get, and we are co nsta ntly field as we can get, and we are constantly trying to keep it level, thatis constantly trying to keep it level, that is the whole point of water and

the international doping federation. but this makes a mockery of that, because you are just saying that someone because you are just saying that someone that has those genetic benefits can go in and compete against women, we have made such massive strides in women‘s sport over the last few years, it would be a real shame if we lost that. you will know that rachel mckinnon, a trans—athlete who won a track world championship title in october, got 100,000 hate messages as a result.” genuinely think that was terrible. of course. she says that you are a transphobic and you are sharing hate speech, and potentially that is because you are treating trans women as men — menjust pretending to be women. and i am treating transgender women. and i am treating transgender women as people that were born as men, with male benefits stopped i just think we have to be real and honest about this, an open and honest about this, an open and honest about. i‘m interested to talk

to rachel, i have never spoken to rachel before, i don‘t understand why she thinks she can say those things, because she doesn‘t know me at all. i pride myself on the fact that i was in a mixed—race relationship, i am that i was in a mixed—race relationship, iam not that i was in a mixed—race relationship, i am not sexist, that i was in a mixed—race relationship, iam not sexist, i that i was in a mixed—race relationship, i am not sexist, i am not a just, i treat people as i see them, andi not a just, i treat people as i see them, and i will not be abusive to anybody. but i just them, and i will not be abusive to anybody. but ijust want them, and i will not be abusive to anybody. but i just want a fair and honest debate, really, and i wanted backed up by medical science. it is important that we engage all the authorities and governing bodies and lots of research to find solutions, if it means we need separate competitions or a transgender game is, there has to be solutions for everybody in this. rachel since there to you, as a trans woman currently going through transition, may i say that the comments deeply hurt me? being trans—is not a choice, it is part of us, i thought eve ryo ne choice, it is part of us, i thought everyone was encouraged to participate in sport and exercise. the comments to me sound like the

person who made them does not understand what tra ns—people person who made them does not understand what trans—people are about treats them as a second category of people, which is discrimination, and she should be brought to book to face that, and does not want to be beaten in any shape orform. does not want to be beaten in any shape or form. i does not want to be beaten in any shape orform. i think she does not want to be beaten in any shape or form. i think she should have thought more carefully before making her comments, perhaps she is an educated and how trans people feel, but that is no excuse.” an educated and how trans people feel, but that is no excuse. i have got a twitter account, and 99% of the people who responded, including many transgender women, not saying that at all. i think, at the end of the day, the transgender community is less than 1% of the population, and half of those men, half of those women, and half of those down to choose to turn to my transition, they transgender but they don‘t change their sex. we are talking about a very small part of the population, i sometimes think in this world that the majority lose out to the minority, and i think in my case i am happy to stand up, i

have got broad shoulders, i am not competing any more, and i‘m just prepared to stand up and fight for the rights of fair play, that is all. thank you very much for talking to us. sharron davies, herfirst tv interview since she made those comments at the weekend. lucy clark is a transgender woman, and also football‘s first transgender referee. shejoins me now from surrey. thank you for talking to us. what do you say to sharron davies? the fact of the matter is that transgender people have been allowed to compete in the olympics since 2003, but none of them have made the qualifying mark. so it's a fuss about nothing? yes, i appreciate mark. so it's a fuss about nothing? yes, iappreciate both mark. so it's a fuss about nothing? yes, i appreciate both sides of the argument, but let's look to the future and the future of young transgender children today. they

will have puberty blockers, so they won't go through the male puberty. oestrogen is a wonderful thing, and once you have that into your body, it creates lots of changes. but what about the trans women athletes who are competing now, who in some cases still have the body of a biological male, and despite the rules saying that in a year of the competition you have to keep testosterone levels below a certain limit, people like sharron davies and martina navratilova argue that they have the advantage of having testosterone in their body from birth, they have muscle mass and power. when you take oestrogen, and we also take testosterone blockers. my testosterone blockers. my testosterone is a very, very low, and oestrogen has the effect on the body where it reduces your muscle mass, it reduces your bone density, you have a lower speed and stamina, lower strength. so all of the physical advantages you may have

had, you don't, and the olympic committee who have done lots of research into this as saying that provided transgender athletes have low testosterone levels, they are allowed to compete, and that is the way it should be. and would you describe sharron davies or martina navratilova as transphobic?” describe sharron davies or martina navratilova as transphobic? i really don't think in my opinion that they have done full research. martina retracted her comment that she made about transgender people. they need to look into both sides, they need some balance. at the moment there is not balance. they have been fed information from various sources, but they are not getting the balance from both sides. sol but they are not getting the balance from both sides. so i wouldn't say they are transphobic, no, but i would say that they need to be careful what they tweet or retweet, because there is transphobia in some of those tweets. especially if they

are endorsing tweets. and what about the suggestion that trans—athletes should have a separate category of competition? come on. it is 2019 now. there wouldn't be enough athletes for it, but i'm sure there is some olympic discipline i could excel in! we are human beings, nobody chooses to be transgender, so give usa nobody chooses to be transgender, so give us a break and stop bashing us up, because it is unfair. there are already rules and regulations,, there are a lot of physical and mental things that people have to deal with when they are undergoing hrt. providing that they reach the right levels in sport, they are not allowed to go competitive in all of these sports, pretty much every sport has levels and limits and

things that transgender people must adhere to. providing they meet the regulations, just let us compete. nobody won and olympic gold medal, so nobody won and olympic gold medal, so let's have a bit of a reality check on this. this text from susie. i agree with sharron davies, it is so obvious that trans—women would have a physical strength advantage because they were born then. sharron is break to suite —— speak up. this person says, i assume she is also calling for fifa to 11 women with big hands and feet to have their own swim category. another person says, what she is saying is logical, not hateful. thank you, lucy, thank you for coming on the programme. we appreciate your time. lucy clark, and before that, sharron davies. its week three of our sustainability challenge — a house of six students in loughborough university have been given a month to try to make different choices about food, heating, plastic, recycling, which clothes they buy to be more environmentally friendly. we‘ve already covered

fashion and plastics. this week it‘s food. so how does what we eat impact on the planet? michael cowan reports. a third of all foods made for human consumption is wasted every year, according to the un. americans per person threw away more food than any other country — a staggering 95 kilograms each every year. compare that to rwanda and east africa. rwandans only waste one kilo per person annually. it typifies our overconsumption in the west. in the uk, we waste about 55 kilos per head. it is costing the average british family around £700 a year. it‘s also about what we eat. our insatiable appetite for meat is a huge driving force in the global temperature rise. a study by the university of oxford found, if you eat two lamb chops, it has the same environmental impact

as driving 11 miles in a car. and one hamburger is the same as driving 20 miles. we are feeding animals so they can feed us. the environmental impact is gargantuan. 36% of the world‘s crops are used to feed animals. soy is commonplace in the west. as well as being used to feed livestock, it is also a popular substitute for meat and dairy. soya beans are exceptionally bad for the environment. rainforests like the cerrado, here in brazil, have to be cut down so soya beans can be grown. these forests are called the lungs of the earth because they suck up so much carbon dioxide. when they are destroyed, those gases go directly into our environment, contributing to climate change. science is conflicted on how to solve the problem. research commissioned by the british government suggested we would see a 38% reduction

in greenhouse gases if we all move to a vegan diet. in the short—term though, scientists see a so—called flexitarian approach as the most realistic for people to adopt globally. enter the planetary health diet, developed over two years it claims to be the most healthiest and sustainable diet to follow. in short, we need to drastically reduce the amount of meat we eat and up our intake of nuts, chickpeas and lentils. and mike is in loughborough for this morning. good morning. today we are looking at food. we are taking a two pronged approach, one where the stu d e nts pronged approach, one where the students have to move to the planet health diet. what that means is it isa health diet. what that means is it is a big move towards a plant —based

diet, but you can still have small bits of meat and fish here and there, it is roughly about one burger a week or once a month, to show the students they can eat very well of a plant —based diet, we have a fantastic vegan chef here, rachel. you are cooking pancakes for us this morning. you are a vegan chef. you only became vegan five years ago. these guys might struggle this week. how difficult is the transition?” think it is like adjusting to something completely new to what you are used to, so i'm hoping with the recipes i've given them, it is giving them an easy approach to just doing some really simple recipes using plants and grains. what will they be cooking this week? were going to do a spaghetti bolognese with lentils, chick pea curry, for and vegetables, keeping it really simple and delicious. one of the key things is it doesn‘t have to be expensive. it is relative to anywhere that you shop, you can shop ata high

anywhere that you shop, you can shop at a high end supermarket or you can go to at a high end supermarket or you can gotoa at a high end supermarket or you can go to a more affordable one. buying legumes, vegetables, basic ingredients, is affordable, and it is not too expensive. and will is here. you are a bit of a carnivore. are you dubious about this week?” think i will be able to do it. i normally eat meat every day, so for my dinnerl normally eat meat every day, so for my dinner i would have something meat —based like a chicken breast or a steak, but i think i will be able to do it. these look pretty good, so imight to do it. these look pretty good, so i mightjust to do it. these look pretty good, so i might just survive to do it. these look pretty good, so i mightjust survive on pancakes. you are going to be able to eat bits of meat, but it will be mostly plant —based. now we are going to move outside, because the second strand of this week is food waste. in this country, as i think you heard, we waste one third of all the food we buy for human consumption. it is a huge amount, and experts say one of the key ways to tackle food waste is to look at what we are throwing away at what we do with it. dr elliot

woolley is a food waste expert from loughborough university along with our student helen, and in front of them is a weak‘s worth of this house‘s food waste. dr woolley, what impact does this have on the environment? if we think about this food and where it comes from, it gets processed, packaged, delivered toa gets processed, packaged, delivered to a food market, you store it and cook it, all of these things have an environmental footprint, but that is not the end of the story. if you then throw it away and it goes to landfill or you send it for anaerobic digestion, that generates greenhouse gases which are bad for the environment, so it is this double whammy on the production, and then after you have thrown it away. so what are they going to be doing this week when it comes to food waste ? this week when it comes to food waste? typically with household food waste, two thirds is avoidable and a third is unavoidable, so that is your meat bones, egg shells, things like that. so what i'm asking that house to do this week is to reduce

food waste by 50%, and i think that isa food waste by 50%, and i think that is a manageable target. do you think thatis is a manageable target. do you think that is manageable, helen?” is a manageable target. do you think that is manageable, helen? ifeel like we could do it, because a lot of us will cook a different meal each day, so if you don't finish up you cook for lunch, some thing else for dinner, you got something is the next day, but if people only cook the amount of food they want to eat or if they have left over they eat at the next day or for another meal, thatis at the next day or for another meal, that is a good way. that is a big pa rt that is a good way. that is a big part of it, meal preparation. that is a good way. that is a big part of it, meal preparationm that is a good way. that is a big part of it, meal preparation. it is about planning what you want to eat and then cooking that right now, and if you end up with leftovers, this term i don't really like, these are perfect ingredients for your next meal, so it is storing them in utilising them in an appropriate way. and you said a lot of the stuff in that bag is yours? yes, a lot of it is mine, i won't lie. but it was only because i couldn't afford to eat it. perfect, brilliant. we are going to get started on this. we have the rather grim task of having

to sort through this food waste. you can find out why on friday. we are going to eat some pancakes and sort through this lot. you can see how they got on this friday. thank you very much. sticking with the environment, there s a growing group of women who say they re on a "birth strike". they re too scared to have children, they say, because of what they call "ecological armageddon". let‘s meet some of them in an exclusive tv interview — blythe pepino, is the former lead singer of the band vaults who is the founder of birthstrike, scarlet fry who is a nurse — alice brown who s 25 and says she s so scared about the future of the planet its debilitating . blythe why are you on a birth strike? because i‘m terrified, and that is putting it mildly. of what? our planet is in a kind of collapse, and thatis planet is in a kind of collapse, and that is happening right now. and i‘m

so disappointed by the response by our authorities to this crisis, and so freaked out by everything that i‘ve read, that last year i came to the decision that i couldn‘t bring a child into that. and i was asking around people that i know and realised quite a lot of other people are making this decision. and so we realised it was really important to tell the public that there are people out there who are so scared about this that they feel that they can‘t actually have a family. about this that they feel that they can't actually have a family. and you have come to the same conclusion? i have. each day for me asa conclusion? i have. each day for me as a struggle. i am so depressed, i feel so hopeless over... you know, just in the last couple of months, insect numbers are plummeting so fast, it now threatens the collapse

of nature, that we are destroying biodiversity so quickly, that threatens our food, and the un have said that that can lead to the risk of our own extinction. david attenborough talking about the collapse of civilisation coming from this, andl collapse of civilisation coming from this, and i know that that is so ha rd this, and i know that that is so hard to really sit with and take in, but i have done that, and that has led to a fear that i have never felt before, and my decision for being on birthstrike mostly has come from not wanting to pass that fear onto someone wanting to pass that fear onto someone else. if we are in a situation now, even since my parents had me we have destroyed 60% of life on this planet. what will that be like when my child is my age? would that be just 10% left? that is not just to do with being a wildlife enthusiast like i am, that is actually dangerous as well. enthusiast like i am, that is actually dangerous as weltm enthusiast like i am, that is actually dangerous as well. it is a life—and—death situation.

actually dangerous as well. it is a life-and-death situation. and you don‘t want to put a child in that scenario, pass that fear on? oryou don‘t want to continue the impact of the population and the way we live on the planet? i'm concerned they wouldn‘t have a life, that there is no future for them. i just had wouldn‘t have a life, that there is no future for them. ijust had a friend phoned me up and say that she is now pregnant, and it is such a mixed feeling for me, because i feel so happy for her at the same time as iam so happy for her at the same time as i am terrified for that child, and i think there is a lot of people who are having to deal with this massive cognitive dissonance of everything seems normal, but kate mulford nasser said that this is a slow motion horror story, and we really aren‘t being carried by our authorities through this crisis. no one is managing this with any kind of responsibility. this text says, i ama of responsibility. this text says, i am a woman not having kids because of the planet. why do we keep

breeding, the problem is too many people on the planet. we would be cold if we were animals. ray says, the world is overpopulated, anything to reduce the population has to be a good thing. how does your partner feel about your decision? and i just come back on that? that is an important point. a lot of people co nflate what important point. a lot of people conflate what we are do with advocating for population control, and population is an issue, even if there was a catastrophic event mid century, we would still have numbers by the end of this century would be a massive problem. but the fact is, and it has been proven, that if we don‘t change how we live now, we haven‘t got a chance, so population is something we need to talk about, but it has to be voluntary, and so the changes that we make that we could possibly make with population are not enough to make any kind of difference, and it has also been proven that we can make much more of a difference via sustainability and decarbonisation, reducing how much

we are consuming. so what you are doing is not about not adding to the population, it is you‘re worries and fears about the way we live, and you are not going to bring a child into that? your partner, is it a joint decision? it is a joint decision. i think, for anybody, it is really ha rd to think, for anybody, it is really hard to emotionally come to terms with a decision like this, and i suppose there is a part of me that hopes that humans can turn this around. i have lost a lot of faith in our ability to do that, because we seem in our ability to do that, because we seem to be ignoring the subject for a good 25 years, scientists have given us that notice. so if things changed, you might reconsider your decision? for me personally, i think i'm in lucky position, i'm 25. meaning you could change? sisley, if there is a radical deep—rooted change in the next decade, within our government, our media, the way

we live our lives, we can turn that around, andl we live our lives, we can turn that around, and i do have a hope for that. but at the same time, i don't with the way we are reacting to it. and it will have to come from eve ryo ne and it will have to come from everyone united, and across the board, we are going to have to deal with big corporations, and deal with politics. it has to be a political thing, it can‘t be, that segment you did in the previous segment of what we do as individuals, bisley that is important, but unless we get our authorities telling us the situation, which is terrifying, we all have to come to terms with that grief. if we don‘t come to terms with it, we won‘t be making the changes that are necessary on that level. thank you very much for talking to us. we can speak now to a former employee of ted baker who wishes to remain anonymous. we are calling her eve. as you know, the boss of ted baker has resigned

over allegations of difficult work conditions and for tugging. eve, thank you for talking to us. thank you for having me. tell us about your experience of working for ted baker. i was very excited about working in a fashion retail company, i had only worked on the shop floor, and it was a way to get into fashion. i was only 18 at the time, andi fashion. i was only 18 at the time, and i was really shocked how unprofessional the office was. it was quite a fun environment, music blaring. i was shocked at how the secretary used to sit on ted baker‘s lap. i sort of kept my head down and just worked, i was quite intimidated by the adults in the office, and i just assumed that this was what working in an office was like. sorry to interrupt. you say the secretary

sat on ray kelvin‘s knee? to interrupt. you say the secretary sat on ray kelvin's knee? yes, there we re sat on ray kelvin's knee? yes, there were lots of cuddles going on, she would be sitting on the desk. ijust remember asking, thinking, how inappropriate, ijust remember asking, thinking, how inappropriate, i just didn‘t think that that went on in an office, didn‘t seem quite right. that that went on in an office, didn't seem quite right. and what happened to you specifically?” didn't seem quite right. and what happened to you specifically? i was brought in and trained. the young man teaching me was a few years older than me, teaching me the ropes, an array would walk past and say, you too should get together. and i thought, this is really odd, why would you say something like that, this is a professional environment, i am learning a skill. why would you say that? so that was probably one of the first things that made me feel uncomfortable personally. and then what really

happened to me was when i was asked to come in to work on a saturday, and sort out the warehouse, because myjob was an allocator, i was asked to be in control of what stock went to be in control of what stock went to what stores, so it was said, you need to come in on a saturday and work with me in the warehouse, just you and to me, and my reply to that was, i don‘t work saturdays. myjob is monday to friday, and ifelt really intimidated to have to go into a warehouse in londonjust really intimidated to have to go into a warehouse in london just with the boss, bearing in mind i was uncomfortable with him anyway. so on the monday morning, i walked into work, he was waiting for me, where we re work, he was waiting for me, where were you , work, he was waiting for me, where were you, i waited for you. and i explained again that i don‘t work saturdays, my job is explained again that i don‘t work saturdays, myjob is monday to friday, i made that quite clear. he gave me a really hard time over it. i felt so awkward. i was only 18.

you don‘t really know what to say in an office environment to adults, so the next day ijust couldn‘t bring myself to go to work, so i phoned in with a broken ankle and said i had been dancing and broken my ankle. he replied, not a problem, been dancing and broken my ankle. he replied, nota problem, i‘m been dancing and broken my ankle. he replied, not a problem, i‘m sending you a taxi. and i thought, i can‘t get out of this. i declined the taxi and said, i‘m not getting in a taxi. went to work the next day, and again i was made to feel extremely uncomfortable. i couldn‘t wait to leave, i knew this wasn‘t a job i could stay in. thank you so much, eve. eve left after a year, and i said, ray kelvin denies all the allegations against him. the deputy leader of labour, tom watson, has been told to leave party officials to deal with the anti—semitism crisis engulfing the party. tom watson had asked anyone making allegations about anti—semititic

behaviour by party members to forward them to him, in a sign that he didn‘t have faith in the current complaints system. the party‘s general secretary jennie formby accused him of uncacceptable behaviour. anti—semitism is defined "as hostility prejudice or discrimination against jewish people". some labour mps remain doubtful that the party has the will or ability to deal with allegations of anti—semtitism they include louise ellman — the mp for liverpool riverside — who‘s a vice chair of labour friends of israel. let‘s talk to dame louise ellman mp. good morning to you. why haven‘t you left the labour party at? i'm struggling. i believe in the values of the labour party. i have been a memberfor of the labour party. i have been a member for many years, of the labour party. i have been a memberfor many years, an of the labour party. i have been a member for many years, an elected representative for nearly 50 years now, so i don‘t want to go. but i am deeply uncomfortable in the way in which anti—semitism is now defining the labour party. but i have decided i‘m going to stay and fight for this

from within the labour party, and i‘m very encouraged by the support of so many labour mps who overwhelmingly support that fight. i‘m encouraged by tom watson‘s intervention, because he is showing that there are people right at the top of the labour party who abhor the anti—semitism, the hatred towards jewish people, the anti—semitism, the hatred towardsjewish people, that we are now seeing all too often within the labour party. so you are ruling out the possibility of leaving the labour party? i'm not leaving anything out. i am staying and fighting for the moment. i am a fighter and used to campaigning for what i believe in, i don‘t want to be hounded out of the labour party. i think it would be horrendous of jewish people all felt they had to leave the labour party. i‘m fighting, but i‘m not ruling anything out in the long term. you will knowjeremy corbyn has said on many occasions that anti—semitism will not be tolerated. he has apologised for it and published a code of conduct. people have been suspended from the party and so on. have all those measures failed?

jeremy corbyn talks on a strong way, but he doesn‘t act in a strong way, and now we find that coming from the top of the labour party, from the general secretary‘s office, there has been interference. i made the complaint about a very serious case of anti—semitism in my own local party, somebody downloading an image from a white supremacist website depicting jewish people as alien parasites, and they were let off until i raise this in the public arena, andi until i raise this in the public arena, and i now find allegations that it was jennie arena, and i now find allegations that it wasjennie formby‘s office who instructed that in this particular case, the member was let off. that is one example of tom watson ‘s revelations. off. that is one example of tom watson 's revelations. so therefore do you want the man who is now in charge of looking at this, lord falconer, now labour‘s anti—semitism watchdog, if you like, would you like him to reopen that kind of case

and others in your own constituency? incidents which were looked at in 2017, but it was supported that no one was suspended or disciplined. i am not entirely clear what lord falconer will be doing. he is a very respected person, but i know he was taken aback when the labour party announces appointment before he had even agreed it, so i am unclear about what we will talk to him about. but as far as i‘m concerned, responsibility for the situation comes from the top of the labour party, and when we have a crisis like the one we are facing now, and jeremy corbyn and the people around him repeat that they are concerned about anti—semitism, but the actions have to follow that. only last week we saw the example of chris williamson, who again made comments saying that the labour party was giving in too much on dealing with anti—semitism. the immediate reaction of the leadership was again to do nothing whatsoever about that.

but he was suspended. only after public pressure and the exposure in the media and what had happened. very briefly, has jeremy the media and what had happened. very briefly, hasjeremy corbyn contact very briefly, hasjeremy corbyn co nta ct you very briefly, hasjeremy corbyn contact you personally over the abuse you have received? not personally, no. since i have been voicing opposition, he says he wants to talk to me, so i may go and talk to talk to me, so i may go and talk to him, but i‘m not really interested in talking, i‘m interested in talking, i‘m interested in talking, i‘m interested in action. thank you very much for talking to us, dame louise ellman. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. good morning. we have had some sunshine across many parts of the uk for this morning, storm freire is

now long gone, but we have some showers in the forecast today, this is the scene at the moment in shropshire. we will continue to see a lot of sunshine across much of scotland, england and wales, the showers across northern ireland through wales in the south—west are moving their way further east, and they could be quite heavy, perhaps even thundery at times during this afternoon. sunshine will return across these western areas, and maximum temperatures getting up to 11 celsius. through tonight, those showers will ease away, and for many of us there will be clear skies, turning quite chilly, they could be a touch of frost first thing on tuesday morning, and then more persistent rain coming in through northern ireland. those are the overnight temperatures, chilly start on tuesday morning, but as we go through the day on tuesday they should be sunny spells, a few showers particularly for northern ireland, central and southern parts of scotland, and highs of up to 13 degrees. goodbye.

you‘re watching bbc newsroom live — it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: former metropolitan police commissioner, lord hogan—howe, calls on the government to appoint a knives tsar, after two more teenagers were killed in stabbings over the weekend what they haven‘t got a is catalyst to pull it together, and i think it needs a leader, someone saying, day after day, what are the police doing, what are other agencies doing, how can you get the charities to work together? if it is not treated as a crisis, it will take another two years before we see action. "a brexit bribe" — that‘s how opposition mps describe the government‘s new £1.6 billion fund to boost england‘s rundown towns after britain leaves the eu. the founder and chief executive of fashion chain ted baker, ray kelvin, resigns following allegations