this is bbc news, i'm clive myrie. issue, knife * to obligate this issue, someone knife * to obligate this issue, the headlines at 11:00pm: someone who can look at all these the home secretary, sajid javid, says there is no single solution issues —— knife tsar. someone who to tackling serious violence, after two i7—year—olds are fatally stabbed in separate can see the bigger picture, and bring all the threads together to incidents over the weekend. try to deal with this. you were about to start with your analysis as there is no hiding from this issue, about to start with your analysis as mr speaker. serious violence is on a result of having worked with boris johnson on knife crime back in 2008. the rise. communities are being torn i think this is really interesting, apart, and families are losing their just go into what the level of knife children. is it a brexit bung? labour accuses the government crime was then, and what happened of bribing mps with a £1.6 billion when borisjohnson fund to boost deprived areas, crime was then, and what happened when boris johnson became crime was then, and what happened when borisjohnson became mayor? crime was then, and what happened days before a crunch brexit vote. when boris johnson became mayor? the issue was that in the run—up to there are celebrations boris becoming the mayor, the on the streets of the capital, caracas, as thousands welcome home numbers were not where they are now. venezuela's self—declared interim we ended up with that campaign, leader, juan guaido. there was a huge focus on knife crime, and we toured all 32 london boroughs endlessly. and one of the # i'm #i'ma # i'm a firestarter, twisted biggest issues was what was happening with young people at that firestarter. time, what were they doing? there we re time, what were they doing? there were youth groups all around london who are spending time, particularly

in that vulnerable period after school where some schools are checking kids out at two p:m., they have hours before mum comes home. a lot of the families that we met didn't have a father figure that had been around for many years —— 2pm. a lot of the youth groups were providing structure and stability for these people, and going over to places like the aylesbury estate, that was quite an inner—city housing estate where there were huge issues. we followed a double—decker bus that used to be between play stations and xbox is that kids could play on. but there were groups of young people who were five years younger than the kids that were actually pictured here, early 20s. they were all youth workers who were there to befriend these kids and gain their trust. the problem then is that the funding for those groups, post boris getting in, as the numbers dropped in terms of the victims, the cases that were being seen. there's lots of factors

why they dropped, but it picked up was about stability being created for these communities. they stopped funding all these groups. so to be clear, the success of those afterschool clubs and youth workers working with these young people, keeping them occupied to a degree, giving them something to do... and steering them away from gangs or drugs. the success of that meant the funding was cut? it was almost like you pulled the weed out, the wheat has grown back because there was nothing in the stability. some of these kids will be related to those people who those services let down, i'm sure of it, because you go back to the people involved in those groups, they were absolutely devastated. places like king's couege devastated. places like king's college hospital in london, southeast london is the critical ca re southeast london is the critical care centre. if something happens, everyone goes there. these phone calls you to get phone calls in the middle of the night to go talk to

the victims. they would go out and talk to the gangs and talk them down from retaliation. we don't have the infrastructure any more. because the money has been cut. even the recognition of some of that work has gone. i think there's something in what bernard hogan howe is saying, but we have people who have looked at the stuff in the past, but the problem is they solve it for a bit then ditch the solutions. itjust comes back again. kids will always need to be steered away. you also have to look at all the differences in the cuts, notjust youth services. massive cuts to education, everything from funding for materials to stuff her afterschool services. there's actually something we never talk about, there is a massive crisis today in children's social care which is paid for by local government. that protects the most vulnerable children, the ones who are most likely to come from deprived backgrounds and have troubling issues, and potentially go

on to be homeless or commit violent crimes. all these things come down to austerity, they really do. at some point the government will have to say that they care more about saving money or lives? sajid javit calls emergency knife crime summit. there will be a meeting of various police chief constables across the country later on this week. theresa may has made it clear there is no correlation between a rise in knife crime. i interviewed the head of the police federation this evening who said she has her head stuck in the sand. is the number of police on the ground part of the issue here? or is it the complete issue, ? ground part of the issue here? or is it the complete issue,? every single service has been cut. crime is something that is a function of one's environment. if you look at all the evidence, then you see that it is correlated, but violent crime

is by far the most correlated with any quality. when you have these inequalities, you see someone being killed over a pair of trainers, it isa killed over a pair of trainers, it is a status thing. it becomes a part of people's identity and community, and they find that in these gangs that provide a sense of being and something to do. but also, life has been cheapened where there is high levels of inequality. you can't look at anyone of these things in isolation. the fact we have basically no police anywhere is probably a significant factor in this. but a more important thing will be no youth services, poor education. also the fact that these kids's parents are working longer hours for less pay, all sorts of economic issues here. the front page of the telegraph, bring back stop and search. it is at the way forward , and search. it is at the way forward, is that what this is all

about? it is an interesting point, actually. the story reverses 60 powers which allows the search of suspects with no grounds. the chairman of the west midlands police federation has written in the telegraph or tomorrow, claiming they have seen a drop, they've seen success have seen a drop, they've seen success by using those sections the past week. it goes back to what grace is saying, this is a very complex issue. the problem is in no time at all, we will have stories about how groups of society are feeling victimized. there is a reason stop and search was actually relaxed slightly, there were severe issues around different parts of communities, particularly black youths being victimized. it goes back to the fact that this is highly complex, there are lots and lots of issues at stake here. there are lots of reasons this stuff is happening.

i think we are going to get caught into a massive tit—for—tat over austerity versus police numbers. the reality is we have a bunch of young people who are making the wrong choices. now you can go through all sorts of issues such as kids having free bus travel meaning they are able to go further, meaning they can go to other areas. that is not austerity or inequality, they are able to travel for free. but it means they get do other people's postcodes, which is why kids are getting killed. the reality is the government, the mayor of london who openly has gone on holiday, which will cause endless controversy today, there are a lot of people who need to sit in a room and be locked into it until... i'm petrified of what my ten—year—old son is getting into, and this is happening in suburbs, a part of cheshire, this is notjust suburbs, a part of cheshire, this is not just happening in suburbs, a part of cheshire, this is notjust happening in the ghettos of london that everyone watching thinks

is where it happens, but their doorstep. 0k, may be chris grayling is on holiday? that's a thought. let's get off that topic. grace, and vaccine linked to lower levels of autism? —— mmr. vaccine linked to lower levels of autism? -- mmr. you see scientific studies like this based on trials that take a long period of time, what time you find a link, other times you don't. all the studies suggest there is no link, and this is probably one that suggests it goes the other way. you are bound to get that, there's always one that makes it look like it. it's crazy that we are still talking about this, it really is. we've obviously seen this, it really is. we've obviously seen measles this, it really is. we've obviously seen measles cases this, it really is. we've obviously seen measles cases rise recently because people aren't vaccinating their kids. the only way the

vaccines work is when you vaccinate eve ryo ne vaccines work is when you vaccinate everyone and you get rid of the disease entirely. 0k, everyone and you get rid of the disease entirely. ok, i everyone and you get rid of the disease entirely. 0k, ithink everyone and you get rid of the disease entirely. ok, i think we are going to go to the independent. we may not be able to bring it up. joe, front man of prodigy, firestarter is a classic. we've all dance to it at some point, high on alcohol. i'd like to make that point. just in case anyone thought it was anything else. in case there is a misconception. about my rave days, indeed. mr flint, you have some anecdotes about him ? indeed. mr flint, you have some anecdotes about him?|j indeed. mr flint, you have some anecdotes about him? i saw some stories about him, and the prodigy we re stories about him, and the prodigy were one of those bands that i definitely spent my youth dancing too, but tonight on twitter, james blunt was talking, saying at the q awards years ago, he said that if

there were for kindness, he would have an enemy. damon alber and refused to be any picture, and paul weller said he would rather eat his own faeces then work with him. in the middle of this all happening, keith flint goes over to james blunt and gives him a hug, and says he would be pleased to work with him. i thought it was really fun. also apparently he was so sick of hearing firestarter jokes apparently he was so sick of hearing firestarterjokes that keith had a pub in essex, and had a square box above the fireplace so every time he lit the fire and they made firestarter jokes, . .. lit the fire and they made firestarterjokes, . .. incredible stage presence, for a man who looks so stunning. did you ever listen to them? i was hoping this wouldn't come up. you were four years old

when this guy came up.|j come up. you were four years old when this guy came up. i remember the firestarter song, and finding it terrifying. let's leave it there. you both will be back in about 35 minutes. that's it for the papers tonight. don't forget, you can see the front pages of the papers online on the bbc news website. it's all there for you, seven days a week, at bbc.co.uk/papers. and if you miss the programme any evening, you can watch it later on bbc iplayer. i west and final is coming up in 35 minutes. thank you, political strategist, jo tanner, and economics commentator at new statesman, grace blakeley. sunshine on monday, hail mixing with some of those showers. this picture was taken in the new forest following a particularly heavy hail

shower there. lots of rainbows have been coming in from our weather watches. tomorrow will be a chilly start, there will be more in the way of rain and hail and snow, but for the good part of the day it will be clear. back to this evening into night, we have those showers easing away. still a few showers southwest of england and wales, some rain and hail snow for northern ireland in southwest scotland. at clear skies and lighter winds else to a touch of frost likely on tuesday morning. tuesday starts off quiet, but here's the next area of low pressure, bringing increasingly wet and windy weather later in the day. much of england and wales should keep dry and bright weather before more rain and bright weather before more rain and heads into the southwest later on. for the north, and heads into the southwest later on. forthe north, hillsnow and heads into the southwest later on. for the north, hill snow will cause some problems across central parts of scotland, mostly falling as rain. some sunshine for the far north of mainland scotland. sunny spells for northern ireland, the

scottish borders towards northern england, a few showers. eastern england, a few showers. eastern england is mild and sunny, i3 celsius in london. the rain pushes across wales and the south of england. wednesday, that rain works its way northern and dashed northwards in eastwards. cold to the north, certainly frosty for northern scotland. mild etzler across the uk to start the day on wednesday. through the middle part of the week, it will be unsettled with low pressure. soggy, breezy start to wednesday. scotland will see more in the way of hill snow, but further south across the rest of the country, a day of sunshine and blustery showers, some quite heavy. there will be thunderstorms, i3 celsius across england and wales, only 7—8dc across northern ireland. cold air developing more widely on thursday as low pressure clears to the east, we are left with these northerly winds bringing that mix of sunny spells and a few wintry

showers. top temperatures by thursday, only 6—iidc. bye—bye.