hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the uk's highest ranking police officer contradicts the prime minister and says there is a link between violent crime and falling police numbers. we've been given exclusive access to nottinghamshire police's knife crime unit, where officers are dealing with on average least two stabbings a day. my son is my everything, for me. i miss my son. i'm crying every day. mn, i cry. in one night i had six stabbings, and that was in a 12 hour period, from seven till seven. so it's certainly increased a lot. a former home office minister tells us exclusively that knife crime should be treated like terrorism. for a child to witness violence in their home is traumatic, and the impact can last for years. now there's a call for these

children to get priority for school places and mental health services. a british man becomes only the second person in the world to be cleared of hiv after receiving a bone marrow transplant. we'll be speaking to one of the doctors who treated him. why should women pay more than men for some seemingly identical products like deodorants and razors? it's called the pink tax, and one mp wants it to be stopped. we will talk to her. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. as we are each weekday. question for you today — what should a smear test be called instead 7 public health england say the term could be putting women off going for one — we find out today the numbers have hit a 20 year low,

and so there's going to be a new advertising campagin. some powerful suggestions from you on my twitter timeline — lila says, "call it a healthy woman's cell test — and it did put me off, the name, when i was younger, though i did do the tests." andrew on twitter, "save your life test." jenny on twitter, "how about cancer avoidance test, maybe that will make people think harder about missing it." what would you call a smear test instead? later we're going to talk a young woman who had a smear test after we demonstrated a live smear test on this very prog. she was 36 years old. the article on your show the other week, when someone's brave enough to go live on tv in front of millions to have their test, it's probably about time i got myself sorted.

we will speak more to emma later in the programme. do feel free to get in touch. let's bring the news with annita mcveigh festival. good morning. met police commissioner cressida dick says there is a link between violent crime and cuts in police numbers — appearing to contradict theresa may. the message comes as former home office minister vernon coaker says the government should be treating knife crime with the same urgency as terrorism. two i7—year—olds were killed in separate incidents in london and greater manchester at the weekend. home secretary sajid javid said he would meet police chiefs to look at ways to combat violence. jewish labour mp dame margaret hodge has expressed fresh concerns about how her party is handling accusations of anti—semitism. in a letter tojeremy corbyn, she claims she has been misled over assurances that his office was not involved in any disciplinary process. what is so awful about this is that jeremy always proclaims zero—tolerance of anti—semitism. when it comes to the actual cases,

if they're his mates, he doesn't demonstrate zero—tolerance. labour has dismissed margaret hodge‘s suggestion as categorically untrue. in only the second case of its kind, a uk man's hiv has become undetectable following a stem cell transplant. the london patient, who was being treated for cancer, has now been in remission for 18 months and is no longer taking hiv drugs. researchers say it's too early to say the patient has been cured of hiv. disabled pensioners will no longer have to face repeat assessments to continue receiving personal independence payments. work and pensions secretary amber rudd is set to announce that about 270,000 people will not have their benefit regularly reviewed. in a speech later, she's expected to say her blind father's experience influenced her plans to level the terrain for disabled people. but a disability group said millions of younger people would still be stuck in a failing system. the number of women

undergoing cervical screening has hit a 20 year low. i'd like to thank my grandma. my sister. my lover. my best teeth. my westie. the government has now launched its first advertising campaign in england, to encourage more women to undergo the test. the campaign — being run by public health england — has avoided the term smear test amid concern it may be putting people off. every year, more than 2,500 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer. one of canadian pm justin trudeau's top ministers has quit, saying she has lost confidence in the government's handling of a corruption inquiry. mr trudeau said he was disappointed by the resignation of treasury board president, jane philpott. he has denied shielding an engineering firm from a bribery trial. a number of opinion polls indicate mr trudeau's popularity is slipping in the run—up to a general election scheduled for october. and the clean—up continues

in the united states after tornadoes swept through the state of alabama. at least 23 people are known to have died in lee county, with the youngest believed to have been six years old. there are fears that the death toll will rise as emergency crews dig through rubble. dozens more are hurt. back to you now, victoria. treat knife crime like terrorism. that's what a former home office minister has exclusively told this programme. police are continuing to investigate the deaths of two 17—year—old knife victims — youseff makki in greater manchester and jodie chesney in romford in east london. they are two of ten teenagers fatally stabbed so far in 2019: 14—year—old jayden moodie, nedim bilgin, i7, 19—year—old lejean richards, sidali mohamed, i6, abdullah muhammad,

also 16, connor brown, 18, hazrat umar, also 18, 19—year—old kamali gabbidon—lynck, 17—year—old jodie chesney, and yousef ghaleb makki, also 17. we've had exclusive access to nottinghamshire police's knife crime unit, the only force outside london with a dedicated knife crime task force. 0fficers there are dealing with at least two stabbings a day and doctors at a major trauma unit in the city say they resuscitated 28 children with serious knife wounds in 2018.. here's our reporter noel phillips‘ exclusive film next. it has been described as a national emergency. families wrecked, families ruined, communities almost under attack. i lost all my mind

after my son died. these cctv images show what the authorities are up against when it comes to tackling knife crime on the streets. i could walk out of here now, and someone could pull a knife or a gun on me. like, it's normal. it normal in nottingham. these violent attacks across the uk all happened in broad daylight, amid concerns that the victims and perpetrators are getting younger. nearly every day, nearly every other day, we are having someone come and who's been the victim of knife violence. one night i had six stabbings, and that was in a 12 hour period from seven till seven. this programme has been given unrestricted access to nottinghamshire's police knife crime unit. the only force outside of london with a dedicated knife crime task force. we are on an operation with officers targeting the criminals, targeting the streets of nottinghamshire. and it's not long before reports come in of a man

with a deadly weapon. last year, on average, police dealt with 17 knife incidents per week. incidents involving knives, i would say, average about two a day within a 24—hour period. sometimes that goes higher, usually in the summer months, and sometimes that goes lower, usually in the darker months. but those incidents don't always involve physical stabbing. quite often they involve threats with knives, or where people have committed a threat with a knife and then we go and arrest them later. nearly 900 incidents involving knives were recorded in nottinghamshire last year, compared to 794 the previous 12 months. where there are drugs, there are often weapons like firearms and knives. this is what you recovered from the car? yes, this was down by the driver seat, literally within arms reach of the driver. which he claims is a tool from his tool box. home office figures show, out of 43 forces, nottinghamshire police saw the seventh highest number of knife

crime offences per head of population between april 2017 to march 2018. the chief constable says children are being trafficked beyond nottinghamshire's borders by gangs spreading violence and drugs to rural areas, often referred to as so—called the chief constable says children are being trafficked county lines. i am more concerned about younger people being involved in knife crime. i think what we've seen particularly of recent times is that we have recovered children from outside nottinghamshire who were born and bred in nottingham, and certainly they have been used as part of a wider criminal network to go and ply their trade of selling drugs elsewhere, so we are, i think, a net exporter of children who are going to do that as part of gangs. 50 there at the minute. back at the police station, officers have carried out a strip search on a man arrested earlier, and found what they suspect

to be class a drugs. they are separate, they are. at nottingham's queens medical hospital, one of the biggest trauma centres in the uk, doctors are seeing at least one person a week with severe knife injuries. the last 12 months have been the busiest 12 months we have ever seen for violence leading to trauma, and certainly from knife crime. nearly every day, every other day, we are having someone come in who has been the victim of knife violence and are seriously injured and need a procedure of one sort or another. the youngest patient i have treated is probably 14. the most i have seen in one night, i had six stabbings, and that was in a 12 hour period from seven till seven, so yes, it is certainly increasing a lot. a glimpse of what medics are dealing with at this trauma centre. this 20—year—old student was given a 1% chance of surviving after being stabbed twice

following an argument in november 2017. across the country we do need to take this up as a public health issue. we don't want to see any of this. we need do something to try to reduce the number of patients who are becoming the victims of knife violence. we don't want to have these conversations with families, with loved ones, to explain that their son, daughter, brother, sister has been involved in knife violence. last year, medics at this hospital resuscitated 28 children with serious knife wounds. a 50% increase compared to the previous year. but not everyone can be saved. my son is my everything for me. i miss my son, i am crying every

day, 2a/7, i am crying. i am lost, all my mind after my son died, you know? i can't live without my son, my son is my everything. her 20—year—old son was stabbed to death in september 2018. he died at the queens medical centre. this is one of the last videos that she has of him before he left home. before, iam ringing my son, he is not answering me, i am sending him a text message, not answering. my body is shocking, what is going on with my son? i am scared of the minute because maybe he is crying, maybe he is calling my name, saying, mummy, or something, i don't know. five teenagers have pleaded not

guilty to his murder, he is one of six people who died in knife attacks between october 2017 in september 2018 in nottingham. # faster like speedy gonzales. # i'm feeling like speedy gonzales. before turning his back on crime, nottingham rapper phidizz served a short prison service for carrying a blade. if i didn't carry a knife, i didn't feel safe. my life could have been taken in an instant if i didn't have a knife. i could walk out of here now and someone could pull a knife or a gun. it is normal in nottingham. it's normal. because i actually thought i wouldn't be that guy to carry a knife when i was younger, but i was. and when you decided to carry a knife, where did you get that from? god rest her soul, it was in my grandma's kitchen. like, you could get it from your mum's kitchen, your dad's kitchen. i used to think weapons are power.

but knowledge is power. that's what i've come to the realisation, that i don't need to roll with anything to feel power. back on the road with the knife crime unit, and the next call is to a teenager with a knife. there's a lot of smashed glass and stuff about, i think he has been smashing stuff. find out where the knife is. a 14—year—old boy was found with a knife following an argument with his family. knives are notjust being used on the streets. there are 329 incidents involving blades inside homes in the last year. the challenge to keep knives off the streets is an ongoing battle. the knife crime team, though, have seized more than 125 weapons and have arrested more than 240 people in the last 12 months. for whatever reason, knocked off his moped, and for me the focus of it was just, people say this, people say that, but he was a 14—year—old boy.

horrendous. in this park in nottinghamshire is a memorialfor a teenager, jaden moodie, who was stabbed to death in east london four months ago. it is a crime that left his local mp demanding action. well, i am calling for cobra to meet. it's a national crisis, it's a national emergency. in the face of other national emergencies, whether it be terrorism, whether it be floods, the government quite rightly in those circumstances bring eve ryo ne together at cobra. that's what they should be doing with respect to knife crime. we are seeing the murder of young people and many others on our streets, families wrecked, ruined, families ruined, communities almost under attack. you are a former home office minister, you know how the government operates, you've been to many cobra meetings. do you really believe that knife crime should be treated with such urgency? if a terrorist incident occu i’s, of course we should deal with that really seriously, but this is also something that is a national crisis, a national emergency. the home office tell us knife crime is

claiming too many young lives and that devastating communities, which is why they created a serious violence task force chaired by the home secretary and senior police officers. the incident took place, and i had the hammer on me. so why are more young people carrying dangerous weapons including knives? this isjoka, a former offender that went to prison for attacking someone with a hammer. why did you feel the need to carry a weapon? i guess the people that i was moving with at the time, we all had something rolling, we all had something on us, you know what i mean? so just in case anything happened. in case we had any beef with anybody or a problem with people or whatnot. but you need to defend yourself, really. trasch but mainly to defend yourself, really. what is your message to anyone who is carrying a knife right now? if you get into a situation where you pull

it out, you're going to find yourself using it. good luck in court, because it is onlyjail you are going. although nottinghamshire police's knife crime task force is barely two years old, its chief constables says the force is already turning the tide when it comes to fighting back against those using deadly weapons on the streets. what is your message to those families who have lost loved ones, whose lives have been completely ripped apart? ifind their position something which is absolutely unbelievably devastating, and i can't begin to contemplate how it would feel to lose a child. that's my first statement. but let me be really clear, as chief, i am absolutely committed to attacking this issue. the chief constable of nottinghamshire police. the pm theresa may has been criticised for saying there was no direct correlation between certain crimes and police numbers. this morning she was contradicted by the commisoner of the metropolitan police cressida dick,

who told lbc, "there is some link between violent crime on the streets obviously and police numbers," adding, "everybody would see that". i think if you went back in history, you would see examples of when police officer numbers have gone down and crime has not necessarily risen at the same rate and in the same way. but i think that what we all agree on is that in the last few years, police officer numbers have gone down a lot, there's been a lot of cuts in other public services, there has been more demand for policing and therefore there must be something and i have consistently said that. so you agree that the prime minister is wrong..? i agree that there is some link between violent crime on the streets, obviously, and police numbers, of course there is, and i think everybody would see that. let's talk to the head of the union for rank and file police officers — john apter, chair of the police federation. the victims‘ commissioner for england and wales baroness newlove is also here. good morning to you. who is right,

mrs may or the head of the met? the head of the met, absolutely, and i have said that since i had the prime minister's comments, which i was staggered by, the delusion she has that there is no correlation beggars belief. everybody knows that, the professionals within policing, the public. the commission is right, it is not just cuts public. the commission is right, it is notjust cuts to policing, as devastating as they are, it is all the other services which have created a perfect storm allowing crime to take hold, and we are in the crisis we are in. is the prime minister or head of the met right?|j agree with cressida dick and that there is correlation with a lack of resources and police officers, and i say that nothing to do with

politics, as somebody watching that film, knowing the pain the mothers go through when you lose somebody, and that is what i feel is being lost in all this, we are not only lose that young lives but we are losing the human message in all this, so i agree there is a correlation, as cressida dick said. people feel let, you can't deny what people are feeling, they do not feel safe on the streets at young children do not feel safe, there is a correlation and i believe we have to roller proceeds, as i did as community champion, speak and hear their voices and work with them while the palace that the app the top work at their own task. and what they will deal with. why is the prime minister saying there is not a link? as home secretary she did lots of work with the police, i did not really listen to the full message. i am not an academic, i do not do

statistics, i have always said that, but it is common—sense, lack of police officers on the ground, brighton has risen so, so much. they are not in it for the money, they are not in it for the money, they are ina are not in it for the money, they are in a two feel safe. it is local authorities being cut back, no youth facilities. i am a champion of youth stones. there has to be a correlation, it is like making a cake, if you don't have the right ingredients, no one gets the perfect feeling that they have made a good project, and communities feel they are not being listened to.|j project, and communities feel they are not being listened to. i can understand why the prime minister failed to accept this, because it was her policies both as home secretary and prime minister which has overseen the dismantling of

british policing and other public—sector areas as we see a. as helen says, time to put politics aside. we need to think about the victims, we need to think about my colleagues, the dedicated police officers who want to do the best they can and cannot because of the devastating cuts they have had. the prime minister must accept that if she is the true leader of our country. in march 2010 babel144,230 police officers in england and wales. march 2018, according the home office, 122,786. wales. march 2018, according the home 0ffice,122,786. in england and wales. that is 21,500 fewer. between 2010 and 2017 there has been a 20% cut in police funding. as chair of the police federation you will know there was £970 million coming to the police in the forthcoming year and the serious violence strategy launched by the home office last year is investing 220 million p in early intervention projects, you must welcome those things? there has been devastating cuts to police officers, budget goes much deeper. we have lost many thousands of

police community support officers and police staff who provide vital support and front—line policing. and police staff who provide vital support and front-line policing. so the coming investment, does it match what has been cut? it does not scratch the surface. i welcome it because it will help police forces in some cases sustain themselves, but the way the funding has been applied is very different, the responsibility has been passed to police and crime commissioner is to top up the local council tax. if they do, which many will, it will not see hundreds more police officers on the streets, it will sustain us. we need a genuine investment in policing. it is helpful but we need more.|j investment in policing. it is helpful but we need more. i would like to ask about the west midlands, where emergency stop and search powers, known as section 60, had been introduced. so police officers can stop and search people without reasonable grounds, which is what normally happens. 0bviously

reasonable grounds, which is what normally happens. obviously you are in touch with many, many victims and theirfamilies, do in touch with many, many victims and their families, do you in touch with many, many victims and theirfamilies, do you think in touch with many, many victims and their families, do you think these emergency stop and search powers should be rolled out across the country? yes, i think there was an issue when stop and search was not allowed to be taken anymore, i worked in many communities, in the black communities, who themselves we re black communities, who themselves were angry because they believed it would stop a lot of this. the problem with the communities was police officers not saying sorry if they got it wrong. if you treat somebody with respect and dignity, you get it back. we do this for floods, we are talking about human beings, they are children. this is a national crisis. the rhetoric is that we should not criminalise children, but they are six foot two, it will take health, schools, early interventions, but in the meantime we are seeing stabbings daily, and we are seeing stabbings daily, and we have to get all the pallets, if

thatis we have to get all the pallets, if that is emergency pallets we had to do it. if you do not get the route cause, it will spread. we have seen that with county lines, cuckooing, we need a task. the grant and we need to speak immediately. the chairman of the west midlands police federation says that as a result of emergency stop and search being introduced, arrests are up and dangerous weapons have been taken out of the streets. would you like this rolled out across the country? section 60 is therefore other chief co nsta ble section 60 is therefore other chief constable is, and they use them. richard cook from the west midlands, stop and search used properly, i know it is divisive but it works. we had to explain ourselves to the public, but where there is a national crisis it should be used more widely. provide that is now? we are in the midst of a crisis and it

should be used. wary chief constable believes it will prevent violence increasing, it should be used. vernon coaker exclusively told the programme, a former home office minister, that what is going on with knife crime should be approached like we approach terrorism, is he right? i am surprised the government, the home secretary, has not called an emergency cobra meeting. i had seen cobra meetings called for things which are questionable. approach it like terrorism? absolutely. yesterday the former head of the met bernard hogan—howe said we need a knife crimes are, would that help?m depends what they were due, the devil is in the detail. as i keep saying and said in the house of lords yesterday, we need to look at this. human rights are being lost, it is terrorism on our streets and

we need somebody who is accountable. i would like some the independent, the victims commission is independent, somebody who can advise the government and police and work around the table. we need a language everybody understands. are you putting yourself forward ?|j everybody understands. are you putting yourself forward? i have been out there and given intelligence, as victims commissioner and a conservative p, what is getting to me is thinking how my daughters felt when they saw their father being kicked and punched, and we are talking about knife crime. my loyalty is to my daughters and my late husband that we have to be loyal to these families, we cannot win to address any more, we need to mean what we say. i had seen tsars for drugs and other societal issues fail and not

deliver. i have reflected on this. if there is a tsar, a government appointed individual, who will demonstrate leadership and coordinate this, we need all the help we can get, so let's see what it would bring. provides data on facebook says knife deaths are taking a generation of kids and need serious attention, cuts to youth and police services, the pm is saying no link, she does not believe in the real world. this text says put more police with powers to stop and search on the streets. people have to a cce pt search on the streets. people have to accept that stop and searches have to be made. people seem to think it does not happen anymore, it does, you reasonable grounds. victoria, over recent years, especially the current prime minister, she has criticised police officers for how they used up and search. the prime minister has put a barrier there. you look at the number of stop and searches that have reduced significantly over the last few years, this is because of the government's intervention. they need to support, not hinder. chris

says it is horrendous that so many youngsters are being murdered, it needs to be addressed by government but we all have a responsibility to try to salvage. thank you both for coming in, iappreciate try to salvage. thank you both for coming in, i appreciate it. still to come... a charity calls for more to be done to help children who have witnessed abuse at home. we'll speak to a survivor of domestic violence about the impact on her son. plus, what should the smear test be called ? public health england think the name might be putting many women off having one. let us know what you think. here's what some of of our viewers think. anna on email says: "i just watched your piece on smear tests. this prompted me to phone my gp to get an appointment. please hold. you are number eight in the call queue. when they eventually answered. we have no appointments for the next two weeks. experiences like this make it much, much harder to do the right thing." jkd on twitter: "my sister died at 45 leaving three boys because she didn't keep up her testing. by the time she went she was diagnosed as stage four. i have one thing to say — go, go, go."

a man in britain has become the second person in the world to be cleared of hiv after receiving a stem cell transplant. being diagnosed with hiv once felt like a death sentence. hiv—aids have killed around 35 million people worldwide. in recent years, retroviral drugs have given hiv sufferers hope by suppressing the virus, but the search continues for a cure. there are around 37 million with hiv worldwide. so, the news that a patient who's had a bone marrow transplant is now disease—free is of real significance. i'm joined by dr ian gabriel who worked on the case. this was a collaboration between imperial college and hammersmith hospital and the transplant team

which has great experience. at university college. this particular patient had advanced hodgkins lymphoma. he had a stage iv cancer, very difficult to treat. in that situation, we give a transplant using their own cells. because of his treatment and his hiv, we were not able to do that. we needed an unrelated donor. we saw a few matches worldwide. we try to replicate the berlin patient to find a small chance there would be a donor who is putting on the surface of their cells had mutated. by transplanting him with cells that we re transplanting him with cells that were unable to allow hiv into his

body, hopefully if he was cleared prior to transplant, there was potential for a second cure which is what we managed. you found a bone marrow donor that had, that was resistant to hiv. 196 had, that was resistant to hiv. 1% of the publishing has this gene mutation which is where this research will go —— population. the mutation prevents the hiv from infecting the individual. by transplanting him with those, we turned him from someone who was hiv positive with a malignancy, into someone positive with a malignancy, into someone with new bone marrow from a new donor which could not be infected. he is completely undetectable by no known techniques. no evidence of hiv in this man at all. that is so exciting. almost

unbelievable. no cancer, no hiv. my goodness. it is exciting. not applicable to the whole population. is it translatable? not everyone can have a bone marrow transplant because the mortality is quite high. but it has never been proven a change like this allowed a cure. what we can look at is whether research into this is where we should be going with hiv. everyone ta kes a should be going with hiv. everyone takes a tablet but we know from cancer treatment even if you have a drug that saves your life, not eve ryo ne drug that saves your life, not everyone takes the tablet every day. if we can modify the body, to prevent the virus infecting the individual, that would be the ideal scenario. how is it possible for this man to

thank you enough. that is what we are therefore, the hiv team, at university college. i know it is yourjob. this is extraordinary. thank you for talking to our audience. if you're a woman aged between 25 and 49, you're supposed to go for a cervical smear test every three years. please do stay there for a moment. we are talking about cervical smear tests. but, despite all the warnings, screening rates are at their lowest levels for 20 years, and so, the government have launched their first ad campaign to try and stop this drop. they've wondered if it's the term "smear test" which puts people off, and so have avoided using the term

in the ads. i'd like to thank my grandma... my sister... my lover... my bestie... my westie... my mother. thank you for reminding me to go to my cervical screening. two women die every day from cervical cancer, but cervical screening can prevent potentially harmful cells developing, and stop cancer before it starts. so, don't ignore your invite. and if you missed your last cervical screening, book an appointment with your gp practice now. at the beginning of the year, we did a smear test live on this programme to show you what it involves. let's remind ourselves what happened. i'm going to just ask chloe to bring her knees up, which is what we would do in the test, and make your feet into a diamond shape, just like that. 0k? and then, i'm going to put my little pot there, and my little brush. even from this moment, actually, though, chloe,

when you are lying there and you are having to do that, if you've never done it before, you are young, you are embarrassed, how does it feel the first time? it is a bit nerve—racking, but i think you've just got to try and relax and talk to the doctor about it, so say, i'm feeling a bit nervous — which i am — and it does kind of... i think verbalising it, you tend to relax a bit more. someone tweeted to say that she watches the news on her app to distract herself. what i also tell people is, pop your hands by your sides, think about keeping your bottom down and breathing. if you tense against the speculum, that is when it hurts. so just think about bottom down on the bed, i'm just going to pop it in now, if that's ok. so, bottom down on the bed, and breathe. and this is the point where some people feel some stretching type pain. yes, it is not painful, but it's weird. it's a bit of an odd feeling. and these are the brushes, and we will use thatjust to swipe some cells from the cervix, and at this point some women will feel a period type pain.

slightly, but it's dealable. and it's over. amazing. and the speculum comes out. it's over really quickly. you did pull a face, though. it's the waiting for something to happen — and it didn't happen. emma sanford saw that item, and it gave her the push she needed to stop avoiding her smear test and book an appointment to get it done. well, i saw all the articles on your show the other week, and when someone is brave enough to go live on tv in front of millions to have their test, it's probably about time i got myself sorted. i was also sitting in the doctor's surgery, waiting for some counselling, and they were just plastered everywhere, "have you had it, have you had it?" and it was just one of those things where i thought, probably about time i did, because at 36, i hadn't even had one, which is awful, really. wow. in your whole time as an adult woman, you've never had a smear test? no, i've travelled a lot,

i've been out and about in different countries, you know, it's one of those things, i willjust get to it, but you find every excuse not to. when the main excuse, there is no excuse, really, is there? and may i ask if you have had the results from the first smear test that you took the other week? yes, i had the test results back last week, they came through really quickly, in two weeks, and everything is clear and fine, and actually with all the other health problems i've got, it's a massive relief not to have that sitting on the back of my mind, actually. yes, i bet. and the actual experience of having a smear test, how was it for you? i was really lucky because the person that performed it, she was really kind, and she put me at ease, and it didn't really take long. a little bit uncomfortable, but that wore off. i had a little bit of spotting afterwards and a little bit of pain in the evening, but actually that wore off quite quickly, and it wasn't as bad as potentially i thought it could have been. and how do you react today, emma, to this news from public health england

that the rates of take—up of cervical smear tests have reached a 20—year low? i think it's just something that needs to be normalised and sort of spoken about within families, men and women need to say actually this is something really normal, it's a life—saver, because these figures are really low, and it puts extra strain on the nhs if we cannot catch it earlier. because you've got to go through a lot more treatment which costs a lot more money. and there is a suggestion from public health england, they are not using the word "smear test" in their new advertising campaign because they fear potentially it might put some women off. do you think that's right, and do you think we should rename it? i personally haven't seen anything to suggest why. i'd like to see why they are saying that's wrong, and maybe some statistics on that. but if there is something else they can call it to make it more friendly, easier to talk about, i think that would be good. whatever it takes to get more women having their test done, i think.

you just said a moment ago, it's a life—saver. we could call it the life—saver test. absolutely. i think you're absolutely right. it does save a life if you can catch it early, and it is simple, listen to the medical professionals because they have been through medical school, they know what they are talking about. this e—mail, great to see a positive push. let us rebrand it as avoid cancer test, act. another tweet, the use of the word test and examination have negative connotations from school days. perhaps call it a routine. and a tweet saying it is not the name but the procedure which is off—putting. and another, bowel screening is off putting but why dress it up? it

would help if the test isn't sold as quick and painless when it is agony for some. the risks and benefits need to be the selling point. the name isn't great. and lisa says, call it what it is, cervical cancer screening. and, over the years, cervical cancer screening. and, overthe years, i cervical cancer screening. and, over the years, i have had painful and painless tests, it depends on the professionalism of the nurse. she goes on, i mean, opening the speculum before for inserted, i mean, come on. coming up. up to £1.4 billion — that's how much one charity says it costs the taxpayer to help and rehabilitate children who have been exposed to domestc violence in the family home. research by the charity hestia looked at the long—term impact and cost of things like counselling, health and social care, fostering and other residential care, crime and education. they want the government to put

more support in place for children, as part of its domestic violence bill — not only to help bring down future costs for support, but also help them deal with family breakdown in the short term. we can talk now to lyndsey dearlove from hestia. also with us is "lisa", not her real name, who was the victim of domestic abuse for five years. her young son witnessed some of what happened, and she believes it's the reason he went on to be suspended from school, and has needed ongoing therapy. thank you forjoining us. lisa, thank you for coming on to the programme. you were 18 when you met a woman who fell in love with. within a few months, she became violent, in what way? it started off with the emotional, financial and mental abuse, and moved on very quickly to kicking, slapping, pushing. then, it moved on

to cigarette burns and other things. and, yes, there was a lot of... kicking and pushing, manipulating, that was the hardest bit. what did your son see?|j that was the hardest bit. what did your son see? i didn't think he was exposed to any of it. but he was exposed to all of it, and i denied it to myself. if he was in his room, he did not know about it, but he had me crying, he had us screaming, he heard me being pushed up screaming, he heard me being pushed up against walls, banging, all of it. how old was he? from the age of two until seven, a long time. and was he ever physically assaulted? yes, in the end, she punched him, so ha rd yes, in the end, she punched him, so hard it fractured his cheekbone, and

gave him a black eye. that is when we escaped, really. social services stepped in, you can ta ke social services stepped in, you can take him, or not at all. were you there when she attacked him? no, the first and only time i had left him with her, the less than an hour. you came back, had he already been taken to hospital? he stayed in bed, he was too scared to come out of his room while she was there. the next day, he had his black eye and fractured cheek. i felt physically sick seeing it. there was a period when you had left, and your son was still sleeping with what's under his pillow? with a knife next to his bed and by my bed. he would say he needed to do

this in case she came back. i would tell him off because he told eve ryo ne tell him off because he told everyone what had happened. he was scared we would get in trouble for what we had done. we ended up moving so he would never have too fear she would find us again. what would you say the impact on your son has been experiencing that, and seeing you experience it? it has damaged him more than you can imagine, you don't realise how much damage people are doing to these children. they are seeing it. they are impacted probably more than the person going through it. he lost his school, his friends. he had to move schools. he wouldn't trust anyone, he would lash out, throw things. he didn't want to be around people. it is not only experiencing it or seeing it happen to someone else as

a kid, just hearing your mum being beaten up is horrific. you are u psta i rs beaten up is horrific. you are upstairs thinking, what am i going to do, go to the police, run down to rescue her? what should change as a result of the impact on children of experiencing domestic violence? the first thing we have to realise is children do not witness domestic abuse, they experience it. right now there are children in schools who la st there are children in schools who last night were in their bedrooms hearing instances downstairs, terrified of what is happening when they are there and not there. there needs to be the right support for children. specialist counselling services. in schools? if it is safe st services. in schools? if it is safest in schools, definitely. know many children coming into a women's refuge will receive support. they are more likely to be able to access

mental health support but that is a tiny portion of the children experiencing domestic abuse. many are living in a community, going to school, living with the outcomes of what they have witnessed. we need to ensure there is the right support. how would counselling help a child? giving them the chance to talk, outside of the family. we have heard how lisa's son was terrified and his responsibility he felt for the disclosure. lots of young people tell us they feel they are the reason why things changed. they are terrified of the abusive partner as much as the victim. that can be difficult, we have to think about child contact, and put the needs of the child first. lisa, your son is 11. how is he? he is doing amazing now.

he loves school. his personality is com pletely he loves school. his personality is completely different. unrecognisable to many people who knew him before. so much,, he can identify what emotions he is having, and how to act on them. before, he had no idea. he is happier, that is the best bit. seeing him smiling, it was a rarity back then. now it is daily. it is amazing. all thanks to the school he is in and the counselling he was provided. but it was a struggle to get to that. that is heartbreaking. some of it is down to you as well. yes. thank you very much for coming on to the programme. these days, parents obsessively film their children on their smartphones, creating an abundance of video memories of childhood, much of it ending up on social media. but should parents also turn

the camera on themselves to make private videos so their children can one day see what they were really like? for those who are suddenly faced with a disease diagnosis that could cut their life short, it's an important question. one woman has developed a free app to help parents in this situation to do just that, with the aim of helping children deal with losing their mum or dad. here's dougal shaw with the story. dean mucklow was diagnosed with motor neurone disease in 2013. he knew you would lose his voice, so he recorded more than 80 videos for his young family. the videos contain personal

messages and life lessons. he made his videos with an app called recordmenow, developed by this woman who worked for many years in counselling and childhood trauma. i am driven by the wish that if a child is unlucky enough to lose a parent, they will be lucky enough to be left something special for them, to help them at the time of death, with grieving and living life fully afterwards. the free app guides parents through questions bereaved children like to hear answered, based on her research. the questions encourage parents to talk about the tough times in life, notjust the good times. it is meant to be a resource people can dip into. gaby has used the app for her own children. david, one of the funniest things you've said was when we were booking a holiday for grandma who was about 80. we were asked her date of birth. and you said, her date of birth! oh, i didn't know she was pregnant!

gaby found children wanted direct messages to confirm the parent love them, and was proud of them and happy for them to enjoy their lives. she also found children wanted to know very practical details about their childhood. details like, what kind of floor cleaner did we use? i remember that smell. how did you do my hair, i want to do my children's the same way. herfree app has been used by tens of thousands of people in more than 30 countries. and used in hospices by people with illnesses like terminal cancer or huntington's disease. it is also used by a lot of people diagnosed with motor neurone disease. people like dean. he is proud of his videos and was happy to share the ones you've seen here.

two products, let's say a razor or a deodorant, made by the same company, apparently almost identical. only one is targeted at men, and the other at women. and that crucial difference means that the female version can cost more than the male version. that price difference is often called the pink tax. first up — this right guard total defence deodorant. £2 on the boots website in the men 5 section. but that goes up to three quid for the women 5 equivalent. its a similar story for this for the women 5 equivalent. the classic sensitive skin version for men was on sale on the tesco website for £1.50. but the satin care sensitive skin equivalent is £3.50. and it was also true of more luxury items. this chanel allure eau de toilette spray for men was on sale in a number of places at £78,

but for women, the cost was £95. john lewis, by the way, say the items are not alike due to their different ingredients. we can speak now to christine jardine — the lib dem mp behind the bill. dr gloria moss, professor of management and marketing at buckinghamshire new university. is it discrimination? i think it is everyday discrimination that we don't notice. i didn't until i was chatting to some of my liberal democrat colleagues and they said they are paying more. we checked and found, yes, we are. a simple thing like a razor can't have a different ingredient but the colour is different so you pay 10p more for a pink razor and an ordinary one. this is what procter and gamble say.

our products are different because men and women are different, and they have different shaving needs. in principle the price of shaving products for women should only be different if the product is different. if the products are the same the prices should be around the same. it is also crucial to highlight that shelf prices in store are always set at the full discretion of the retailer. so they are saying there are differences not just in so they are saying there are differences notjust in the name. iam differences notjust in the name. i am probably not the only woman who has gone into the shower and used my husband's racer. there is no difference. it is marketing. it sta rts difference. it is marketing. it starts very young. we get sucked in. we think we have to pay more for things. no, we don't. we have to clamp—down. i am going to be talking to the companies, pointing out, if you come from a family with three daughters and a mother all buying toiletries, all paying 20% more than a man, that is a sizeable impact on a man, that is a sizeable impact on a household budget.

is there anyjustification for this? you have worked with big companies. i would say, there is a justification for this. in fact, it runs counter to best business practice. there is a concept of corporate social responsibility that suggests companies should show appropriate expectations, economically and ethnically. that is in regard to customers. and to charge women a price differential of up charge women a price differential of up to 20% breaches the ethical aspects of corporate social responsibility. businesses are losing a trick. this is simply bad business practice. because all the research evidence shows that poor corporate social responsibility leads to a diminution of profitability, and a loss of

customer loyalty. and right guard says this. "retail pricing is the sole responsibility of the retailer, this includes any decision to promote male and female lines at different times, or at the same time." we can pass the buck, say it is the retailers, manufacturers. we have to stop it happening. any chance of this becoming law? i would rather the companies take the initiative, i will be talking to them to make them see the garden —— the allegations, that it see the garden —— the allegations, thatitis see the garden —— the allegations, that it is bad corporate policy. if you want women to buy your products, charge them the same as for and they will come back. the important thing is to make the retailers and producers see this, and stop trying to market it to us directly. 0ne friend phoned me last night saying she had been in a supermarket and had seen tour tiller chips marketed

differently to boys and girls —— tortilla. i forgot to ask her about the price. but i was so annoyed with the price. but i was so annoyed with the principle telling them at that age they are different, that is what we have to stop. thank you both for coming on the programme. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. good morning, many of us have started this morning with sunshine,

that has been the scene in east sussex through this morning, but the blue skies and sunshine, they are not going to last for that long, because we have some cloud moving in from the south—west with maximum temperatures up to 17 degrees. this rain will continue northwards and eastwards, is strengthening wind. some clear spells in the far north of scotland. temperature is about nine celsius. goodbye.

you re watching bbc newsroom live, it's11am and these are the main stories this morning... britain's top police officer says there is a link between cuts in police numbers and violent crime. i agree that there is some link between violent crime on the streets, obviously, and police numbers. of course there is and i think everybody would see that. this as the prime minister says there's no direct corrleation between police numbers and knife crime. a former minister demands the government treats it like terrorism. this is also something that is a national crisis, a national emergency. a british man is clear of hiv after a stem cell transplant — he received the bone marrow stem cells almost three years ago. the labour mp, dame margaret hodge, expresses fresh concerns about how her party is handling