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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is 0utside source. the there have been many dramatic moments since amendment, the rumours were... the toughening of no—deal. the uk voted for brexit. amendment, the rumours were... the toughening of no-deal. which take up none, though, match what has just lost five or votes, i am hearing but have not been able to confirm this, happened in westminster. four ministers abstained, and when the cut loses by four votes, quite extraordinary. legal force or not, the ayes to the right, 321, the noes to the left, 278. it has become clear the prime in the midst of chaotic scenes, minister has no control over her parliament has voted against a no—deal brexit on any date party, as if we didn't know that — delivering another already. what happens next? well, as defeat to a prime minister you say, an impossible question! two who still vows to go on. things would have to happen if this is to have any meaningful status, which is to amount the withdrawal the legal default in uk and eu law build you to look at the reference means that uk will leave the eu without a deal unless... unless... u nless without a deal unless... unless... unless something else as agreed. to the 29th of march. the big question will be, as you alluded to earlier, what happens when the eu says, it will be six months because we need to find out what will change... and we have got other fish to fry. a new president for the commission! if they say, we have had
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enough of yourdrama, commission! if they say, we have had enough of your drama, could she come back and say to the brexiteers, look, we still have a way to leave on the 29th of march, it is my deal, and win it? that still feels like the most likely outcome, because the advantage that brexiteers have got over everyone else in parliament is that the only thing parliament has passed with legal forces the article 50 process, we are still leaving as a fa ct 50 process, we are still leaving as a fact of law, and that is the only thing that is off the shelf, there is no other accord that does not require further negotiation. sol would not be surprised if the upshot is still may's deal passing through. i think she will spend the next few days trying to push the brexiteers to her deal, saying you did not want this choice, but it is my deal or a much softer kind of brexit, the kind of thing thatjeremy corbyn has sketched out, norway, words that are absolutely anathema to brexiteers, that kind of thing will be in place. all right... yesterday we sought nadine dorries...
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all right... yesterday we sought nadine dorries. .. hold all right... yesterday we sought nadine dorries... hold that all right... yesterday we sought nadine dorries. .. hold that thought, i have to tell our viewers it another historic night in british politics, mps have voted to reject any no—deal brexit. we say goodbye now to viewers on bbc two, but stay with us, because live coverage continues right now on the bbc news let me come back to you. would you advise brexiteers who voted against the deal to vote for it? that is tricky. brexiteers would tell you that that is almost certainly keeping us in the customs union. it isa keeping us in the customs union. it is a very tricky situation, but what i would have thought completely ridiculous only yesterday, the idea that the prime minister could bring her deal back for a third time, it
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looks increasingly more possible to me and! looks increasingly more possible to me and i think some hard brexiteers will have changed their minds, like nadine dorries did yesterday. the former leader of ukip, nigel farage, has been waiting patiently in strasbourg as events have been unfolding in london. there you have heard it, a substantial majority voting for a motion which has toughened up the no deal prospects, mrs may saying she will have to go to the european senate to get some kind of extension, whether a short oi’ kind of extension, whether a short or long one. what you say to that? there is no point in a short extension. the european parliament is provoked at the 18th of april, they are going to fight european elections and they are fighting a populist surge, as they see it, right across europe. if the united kingdom is still a member of the european union on may the 23rd, we
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will have to contest european elections, and that is becoming pretty much unavoidable. are you gearing up to fight the european elections at the end of may? i have been for some time. i first said injuly 2017 that may? i have been for some time. i first said in july 2017 that the great brexit betrayal had begun, tonight it is nearing completion. i never trusted the career political class to honour the result of the referendum, even their own election ma nifestos, referendum, even their own election manifestos, never mind the fact that 500 of them voted for article 50, so i have been preparing for some time. the point i was asking you about before we had to go back to the vote in the house of commons, you are lobbying your friends in the house of commons, you are lobbying yourfriends in european governments to veto a british request for an extension, correct? that's right, the legislation is still in place, we are still on course despite this vote tonight to leave the european union with no
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deal. if such thorium on the 22nd of march are request to extend article 50 has been vetoed, it seems to me we will be leaving with no deal, whatever the career political class thing. who's here to you have? who might be minded to veto our application? —— whose ear do you have? is your mate in rome minded to push that?” whose ear do you have? is your mate in rome minded to push that? i will not name names right now, i had started already and i will do my best to obtain a veto. i may succeed, i may fail. the base nigel farage, thank you for patiently waiting while we covered the events inside the chamber.m patiently waiting while we covered the events inside the chamber. it is a native dramatic developments. above all, the government has lost a motion it was hoping to keep
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relatively mild about no deal. the commons voted to make it much tougher by a small majority of four, and then voted for the overall motion, made much tougher by a substantial majority. the official house of commons position, by co mforta ble house of commons position, by comfortable majority, is we do not leave the european union on no deal. asa leave the european union on no deal. as a result, the prime minister got to her feet as a result, the prime minister got to herfeet in as a result, the prime minister got to her feet in the commons and said she would seek an extension to the article 50 process. there will be a motion about that in the commons tomorrow. coupled with that, maybe an amendment which gets the commons to make a number of votes on what the commons wants if there is a majority for anything. is there a second vote, norway plus, is it all the various options? behind—the—scenes, mrs may is still working for her deal. let's go straight back to vicki young at the houses of parliament.
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people here are trying to digest what happened, it is pretty unexpected. as far as conservative party how many, and i use that description rather loosely, this will not help at all. that as far as conservative party how many. there was a large number of abstentions, mps and cabinet ministers not following the orders of the prime minister in order to make sure that no deal was left on the table for the future. let's speak to the former minister san guy mccrea who joins us now. —— the former minister sami joins us now. —— the former minister sam i voted no deal, as i have through the brexit process. the prime minister pledged house of commons to bring forward a motion, but that was not the motion the government brought forward, everyone voted for it is meant amendment if they wanted no deal, which became pa rt
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they wanted no deal, which became part of the government motion. i voted against no deal, i believe that of all the negotiable options available it would be irresponsible for the government to choose the one option that would cause disruption asa option that would cause disruption as a result of their rupture from the eu after 45 years. are you surprised that cabinet ministers and ministers defied the orders of the prime minister to abstain, to not vote either way? no, because the reason we had this debate in the first place was that a significant number of cabinet ministers threatened to resign if we could not have a debate and a vote on the deal on the floor of the house of commons. the prime minister made a concession to have that debate today, the motion brought forward was not what anyone expected, hence the confusion. this is a trust thing. i have heard a number of conservative mps and ministers say that the prime minister promises one thing, the reality is not what she
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has promised. that is quite a criticism of her? the prime minister has a very difficultjob, balancing lots of different views in the party, but we are 19 days away from leaving the eu and it is time for us all to engage in plain speaking and say what we mean and mean what we say. we cannot keep on playing the game, as it were. today what is bizarre is the government whipping against a motion it had tabled itself, i have never seen that before in the house of commons. provides we are in unusual times. it feels as if tomorrow there will be a move to extend article 50 and delay brexit. you want to do that, presumably, but you want to stay in the eu? where i and is that the deal we have on the table is not good. —— where i am. the prime minister gave
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an artificial choice, her deal or no deal. as a result, we have not discussed any other options in detail. many mps have been asking for indicative votes. if at the end of all of that we cannot decide, maybe let the people back into the process and let them decide, but to have a situation where parliament is given an artificial choice and essentially told that the frying pan or the fire, that is when you get the confusion we have had today. what sort of exit from the eu would you be prepared to go for? the biggest prime minister —— the biggest prime minister —— the biggest problem, many people had spoken about the backstop, it gives no sense of where we are going and the direction at all. there is another fact about parliament, it is deadlocked. many people want different forms of exit. it is
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possible be will still be experiencing deadlocked, in which case we have to take it back to the people. thank you, sam gyimah. many people make that point about an extension to article 50, it could be that we are back injune with the same issues and parliamentary deadlock. thanks, vicki young. parliament has voted against mrs may's deal, voted against no deal and is talking about extending the article 50 process which would keep the brexit negotiations going on and keep us in the european union beyond the end of this month. the prime minister said there were two ways to extend the process , there were two ways to extend the process, one was a technical extension to pass a deal, but that assumes a deal is passed by the house of commons and indicates the prime minister has not given up, and secondly a long extension meaning the uk would have to take part in european parliamentary elections at the end of may, and you heard nigel farage say he is gearing up with
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that. with nina is the conservative minister for children and families. chancellor philip hammond said today that it was time to reach across the house and seek a compromise deal. is that the prime minister's policy? her policy was to get her deal over the line, which has not happened. she has come back to the house tonight and explains again, as you said earlier, the law as it stands, we will leave on the 29th of march without a deal unless parliament decides to pass a deal. colleagues need to examine their conscience, think about where we are and need to think about where we are and need to think about where we are and need to think about the instruction the british people gave us. a face if the government is still operating, andi the government is still operating, and i am not sure it is, of the government is still operating on the basis of leaving without a dealer
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much the 29th, why is she seeking an extension of the summit? tomorrow there will be a vote in parliament, as the prime minister has promised, to ask parliament if they would like a technical extension until the rant about the 22nd of may, which is what presidentjunker said. about the 22nd of may, which is what president junker said. if she is seeking an extension, we are not leaving on march the 29. the options area leaving on march the 29. the options are a technical extension to allow us are a technical extension to allow us to pass a deal and leave in an orderly way. ijust us to pass a deal and leave in an orderly way. i just said that, either way we do not leave on the 29. as the law stands, we are, but she will ask for an extension. 29. as the law stands, we are, but she will ask for an extensionm seems pretty clear, there is no point seeking an extension if we will leave on the 29th. the prime minister has said that if her deal for she will bring back a motion
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tomorrow to ask for an extension —— if her dealfalls. think tomorrow to ask for an extension —— if her deal falls. think this through for a second, even if we ask foran through for a second, even if we ask for an extension, how long is it full, will be 27 countries agree and what is the outcome? what do we want to do, leave or remain? mr hammond, the second most important person in government, was saying she should reach across the house foray compromise withdrawal agreement, a compromise withdrawal agreement, a compromise deal. is that her policy? i think the prime minister's policy is to try to keep working with the house on her withdrawal agreement. 0n house on her withdrawal agreement. on her deal. so you are telling our viewers tonight that the policy of the prime minister is different from the prime minister is different from the policy of her chancellor, who talks of a compromise, she is still trying to rescue her deal? the two
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leading people in this government are on different tracks? compromise is sought by the prime minister, her chancellor and cabinet. he said reach across the house, implying speaking to labour, the scottish nationalists, the lib dems. she has been speaking to them. she is not now. she is trying all the time. father of the house ken clarke as the labour spokesman, keir starmer, what do they want? the deal the prime minister has put forward is as close a relationship with the eu while sleeping. they had to make up their mind. are you aware that talks with the dup have begun again? talks continue without coalition partners all the time. we are talking to them all the time. we are talking to them all the time. —— talks continue with our coalition partners. if the house wa nts to our coalition partners. if the house wants to leave the european union in
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an orderly manner, we had to agree what that looks like. the house can decide to revoke article 50, which i think is a terrible error of judgment, you will unleash forces that none of us know where it ends up that none of us know where it ends up when you betray the way of the people. the house could decide it wa nts to people. the house could decide it wants to have an extension but maybe pass the prime minister's deal. revise how did you vote on the substantive motion, once amended, which toughens the no deal stance? i voted against, i taking —— which toughens the no deal stance? i voted against, itaking —— i which toughens the no deal stance? i voted against, i taking —— i think taking a wait no deal is a terrible place to be. you had done a few negotiations in your life, if you can't walk away from a deal, you will always do a bad deal. can't walk away from a deal, you will always do a bad dealm can't walk away from a deal, you will always do a bad deal. if there was a terrible thing to take away no deal, what should happen to the fellow government ministers including cabinet ministers who abstained? any minister who has
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defied the web should consider their position and resigned from government. between belief that mr coke, amber rudd, david mundell, the scottish secretary, vote against it —— but we believe that. it would bring your government down if they we re bring your government down if they were all fired or resigned.“ you're going to vote against the web, the honourable thing to do is to resign your duties as the minister to vote against it. —— if you are going to vote against the whip. i think if you vote against a hard, three line whip, that is the honourable thing to do. many ministers and cabinet ministers have resigned in the past. george eustace designed cell resigned a few weeks ago because he thought he would pursue the debate from the backbenches —— george eustace resigned a few weeks ago. these are
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probably that others negotiations we will contact in my lifetime, certainly. colleagues are finding it difficult, but ultimately i think the prime minister is in the right place, the nation think she is on the right place, she is ten points ahead of labour in the polls, even now. revise the conservative party is. the prime minister's own ratings are ahead ofjeremy corbyn's. the country feel she is doing the right thing, being moderate, delivering brexit... thing, being moderate, delivering brexit. .. she thing, being moderate, delivering brexit... she can't thing, being moderate, delivering brexit. .. she can't deliver brexit! parliament is failing the people and failing to listen to the prime minister, who is delivering, i think, the best outcome for our country. we all need to examine our consciences and think about what the consequences are if we do not deliver brexit. when it comes to extending article 50 to keeping us
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in the eu for longer than we were meant to be, how would you vote? extending article 50 for the sake of extending it, ithink, is admitting you want to stay in the european union. if there is a sure technical extension then of course i will vote for that. you will not have passed that by tomorrow night, but thank you very much for being with us. let's go back to the houses of parliament and speak tojohn healey, the shadow secretary, from labour. —— the shadow housing secretary. it looks like we are asking for an extension to article 50, how long would labour like the process extended? the fact we had to ask for an extension at all is clearly a reflection of the failure of negotiations over the last two years and the failure to get any agreement. we need a shorter time is necessary to get a deal agreed and
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to see through brexit. —— as short a time as necessary. revise what the purpose of that be? —— time as necessary. revise what the purpose of that be? -- what would the purpose of an extension be? what is labour's policy? a short extension for as short as necessary to get a deal agreed, just asjeremy corbyn said tonight, the top priority for labour is to put to one side a busted flush of a deal that the government has proposed and had defeated twice and to see what's common—sense, common ground can be found within parliament. a compromise that shifts the lines of the deal towards the proposals labour has made for sometime. no mistake, the european union has said, where the british parliament to do that, they would respond
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immediately and favourably. that is the best starting point in the chaos we are left with after the vote tonight and the emphatic rejection of the prime minister yesterday. are you saying you want a short extension of the brexit process to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement? we don't want an extension at all and are only faced with the inevitable need to ask because we have failed to have a government capable of commanding a majority in the house of commons. do you want her to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement? are first priority is to see the house of commons agree a better deal than on the table at the moment. we have made it clear that can be done. do you want a better withdrawal agreement? that goes together with the political declaration. we had set out the lights we believe should shape the political declaration, legally binding for the future, and
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we re legally binding for the future, and were the government to shift, to redraw the lines of the deal put before the commons, i believe, and labour argues, we could find common ground. tory mps say they are interested in the customs union, the eu has said they would respond positively. it is possible but it requires will and leadership and to recognise this is what needs to happen in the country's interest. what is there in the withdrawal agreement and the future parliament that would stop you from negotiating? at the moment there is no commitment to a long—term customs union. you can argue for that. there is an insufficiently close relationship with the single market, there is no guarantee that consumer and worker is' writes will keep pace with developments in europe, there is no commitment to the common institutions required for our country's well—being and no commitment to the security, policing
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and anti—terrorism agreements we need. those are the proposals that labour has laid out. they show the way and they are the best starting point for a possible agreement. that can be done, but it requires parliament to step in whether government has failed. lets explain to our viewers, what is there in the future partnership agreement that would stop you from lobbying, argue waiting —— arguing and negotiating? we would continue to argue for that, but if the country wants a deal that the commons can agree then we have to have that as part of the agreement and declaration for the next period. that is what labour has set out. we believe there could be common ground, particularly as it is clear that the government's brexit deal is a busted flush. you want to change other trading relationships going forward with the uk and the eu, but do you want to change the
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withdrawal agreement? we have said, this was our argument a couple of weeks ago when we set it out for the house of commons, that we want to see the legal guarantees in the political declaration. see the legal guarantees in the political declarationlj see the legal guarantees in the political declaration. i am asking about the withdrawal agreement, do you want to changes in the withdrawal agreement? we had to accept what the european union says about the withdrawal agreement, and has consistently said for six months. you would not change that? we have to accept it is done and tested, the most importantjob is still to be done and it is what has been failed to be done by the government over the last two years, to secure the agreement on our future trading relationships, immigration policy, security agreements. all things that should have been part of what came to
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parliament at this stage at the end of the article 50 process but it is the measure of a failure of a government which has been too divided and dysfunctional to do the job the country needs. that the european union cannot agree any of that immigration policy, trade policy, customs union. it cannot agree any until we agree the withdrawal agreement, which you voted against? there are two parts, as you know. there is the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration. what is lightweight, insufficient and incapable of commanding the broad commons majority involved to get a deal in place for the country is the political declaration and determination of what comes next. the red line is that the prime minister has always stuck to and failed to carry the house of commons
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with her, if she is ready to shift the lines, the eu has been clear they would look on that favourably. the outline of a possible deal which could command that common—sense majority, which would need to be put together by parliament with a short extension to the article 50 process to allow that to happen, is the challenge before us now. jeremy corbyn has said we are willing to do that tonight. labour would not seek to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement? it would only seek to change the future partnership? that is done and dusted, we have never said we would seek to reopen the withdrawal agreement. 0ur concern is about the period ahead, where the child that still needs to be done, because they have not done it in the last two years, remains to be done. it is the future trading relationships, the security
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relationships, the security relationships, the security relationships, the relationship the country has to keep our people safe, guarantee our nuclear, make sure we get medicine to people who need it, the kind of things that have been in jeopardy with a new deal, which we got off the table tonight, which we re got off the table tonight, which were not result in the brexit deal the prime minister had rejected again, emphatically on monday —— which were not resolved. tomorrow is the third and a third part series for parliament this week, which is to force the government to face up to force the government to face up to its failure, go to brussels and seek a short extension so that parliament could do the job, and labour is ready to do this, so we get a deal along the lines we had set out, for which i believe there could be a majority and there could be support in parliament. john healey, i had to stop either. we have had a good run and i am grateful for your time. thank you for yours. -- john healey, i have to
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stop you there. after last night's dramatic defeat of the government, when the may deal went down in another massive landslide defeat, the government has lost again tonight, this time in leaving no deal. government was prepared to accept we would not leave on march the 29th, but that a cce pta nce leave on march the 29th, but that acceptance was acceptance was toughened by an amendment which made it much harder about leaving on no deal, much harder against, it much harder about leaving on no deal, much harderagainst, and it much harder about leaving on no deal, much harder against, and that a mentored motion, the government's amended motion, passed by a substantial majority. the number of government ministers did not vote for the government position, they defied a three line whip. 0ne for the government position, they defied a three line whip. one has already resigned tonight, we wait to see which other better—known names such as amber rudd or david gokal going to do. they defied their own government's three line width to vote against the toughened no deal
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motion. let's go back to katya adler in brussels, i am sure they are watching all this there with slight mystification, puzzlement and probably some despair. we now know that the prime minister will either come to the summit to ask for a technical extension, but she can only do that if she has a deal through the house, and she does not, all for a much longer extension in which britain would take part in the european elections. what you think they would say to that? they have been watching things very closely this evening, as they are throughout the week. all my contacts across the eu are very confused, and i get quite a lot of phone calls and texts, saying please explain what is going on and tell it what will happen. i think everybody feels very much in the dark. the european commission tonight, a spokesman
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there, basically said after the vote tonight that parliament was not in favour of leaving the eu without a deal, basically the commission says there are two ways to leave the european union, with a deal or without. voting against leaving without. voting against leaving without a deal is not good enough. they said again tonight that the united kingdom now must unite around a deal, otherwise it will be a de fa cto a deal, otherwise it will be a de facto no—deal brexit. when it comes to the idea of extension, eu countries need to come to an agreement among themselves on a common position for effect when the prime minister comes to them and asks to delay brexit, under what conditions and for how long. at the back of their minds, and this will not then have to do with the european commission, this is a political decision that needs to be taken by the 27 litres of the european union countries, they need to be unanimous in granting the
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extension, they are worried about the european parliamentary elections, worried that if the process is still ongoing, the brexit process is still ongoing, the brexit process will encourage the populist parties who are predicted to do very well already in the european parliamentary elections, they worry about brexit overshadowing their day to day its nest along an extension would go on. would you make of nigel fa raj would go on. would you make of nigel faraj agreeing saying he was lobbing friendly governments to his way of thinking perhaps in rome or in budapest to veto a british extension? would only take one of the 27 to do so, what did you make of that? it would only take one of the countries but when we have looked for so long around if they blink act in their own interest clearly, and it's not in the eu's interest to have a new deal break that. they say they are prepared if
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there needs to be one but it will cost them a lot of money and it will cost them a lot of money and it will cost them a lot of money and it will cost them political capital, it's not good for the eu. an extension is not good for the eu. an extension is not idealfor them not good for the eu. an extension is not ideal for them either, not good for the eu. an extension is not idealfor them either, a long extension farfrom ideal. is not idealfor them either, a long extension far from ideal. is that less costly than no deal break that? probably the answer is yes but these are the political decisions and they all have to come to a unanimous conclusion about it. the answer is farfrom certain conclusion about it. the answer is far from certain tonight. a story running longer than the mousetrap. thank you very much for that. let's go back to vicky young and the houses of parliament. people have been crunching the numbers on the number of conservatives rebels and to clarify that's the mps and cabinet ministers who did not do effectively what theresa may told him to jail. to vote against that option and basically to take no deal off the table. they decided they could not follow her orders. there
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we re could not follow her orders. there were 17 who decided to to vote against that and one of them was a minister, sarah nguyen has resided. i had minister, sarah nguyen has resided. ihada minister, sarah nguyen has resided. i had a quite long chat with her couple of days ago it was clear if she was given the option of voting against a no deal break that she was going to take it. she felt it would be truly bad for the economy and said she could not be in a government that was going to follow through with that kind of policy. she was actually angry and emotional. she says it's been a com plete emotional. she says it's been a complete failure of the house of commons and political class. the other interesting names in this list are those who abstained and did not vote either way. again to did not vote either way. again to did not vote in the way that theresa may told her to. but it was a very large number of cabinet ministers. let's get reaction to all of this now. simon clark is with me. what you think should happen to those
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ministers that did not vote the way they were told to? will be massive for the prime minister in the end. you would expect discipline to be applied fairly robustly. that's beside the point. president has let the british people down tonight. they have ta ken the british people down tonight. they have taken away the remaining negotiation room in a way that i personally find very hard to understand or forgive. there will be sadly flabbergasted problem it has been so weak at this crucial moment. isimply been so weak at this crucial moment. i simply cannot understand how anyone thinks we're going to get the changes that we still need in order to get an acceptable deal. it's annoying and that's an understatement tonight. i will try and be as sensible as i can, but i hope no one is under any illusions there was real anger in the house tonight and in the country at large but will parliament has done. this feels to me that those who were never reconciled to the vote leave
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have done it in in the process and probably made in a negotiation unviable. the choice now is between a bad deal and no break that. after last night you and many others voted against the deal and i had your collea g u es against the deal and i had your colleagues who campaigned for remain in the referendum saying to me this is ridiculous, i have reconciled myself to the referendum and i last night voted for a deal to get out and yet i am there and looking at collea g u es and yet i am there and looking at colleagues who voted to leave and they are not voting for it. that's what happened in your party. how do you now get through this? you voted against the deal. i voted against one that has major problems. the attorney general's own advice was very clear. if they are negotiating in good faith will have no means of getting out of the backstop if we end up in it. that's why voted against it, i wanted to have a raised as bad as the next person. i don't want to send my country into a
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relationship in which we are effectively a prisoner of the eu relenting and letting us go. a lot of reflection in the next few days because it seems to be the choice i'm going to face is between packing a deal i hate and not having break that at all and that's a very difficult and which find myself. it's not ten placed myself. the weakness frankly absurd ministers has done this to us, the weakness of the labour party has done this to us andl the labour party has done this to us and i denied and angry and bewildered of having a gun to my head to vote for a wretched deal on not to leave. but that's what you think you will have to do?” not to leave. but that's what you think you will have to do? ijust don't know where i will come down on that. i don't know workaholics will come down on that but i do know the starkness of the choice by the front of us. anyone that can do the math can see that parliament has decided to do its damnedest to be sure we cannot live without a deal and while practice the legal position remains
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the law says what he said beforehand in particle terms there's no deal is off the table. it did not need to be this way. a fellow brexiteers that he could vote for that deal. he said he could vote for that deal. he said he did so because he feared the scenario unfolding. was wasn't as though david has become a convert to the merits of this deal, it's about that. the? now simply whether there's any break that at all that does not run with this deal. in the end all of us will have to take personal responsibility in the days ahead for how we vote. thank you very much indeed. a difficult issue for many here tonight and as you heard very starkly so much anger the conservative party bubbling away for months if not years early spilling over this evening. thank you. another dramatic and indeed historic night in british politics. mps of
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voted to reject any no—deal brexit. mrs may must now seek an extension to the brexit process and meanwhile behind the scenes still working to try and get a third vote on her own deal. it's going to be a busy few days until the end of january. that's all for me tonight and the tea m that's all for me tonight and the team here, plenty more coverage right now on the bbc news channel and bbc world news with my colleague christian frazier. welcome to continuing coverage here in westminster as mps vote to reject that no—deal brexit. 321 mps but if the deal and 278 voted against. majority of 43 and despite the rejection of a no—deal brexit any scenario theresa may saying tonight at the house of commons means to face up to the fact that no deal remains the default if no agreement
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can be reached. the options ahead are the same as they had always been. those voting numbers which have taken some in westminster by surprise were boosted by the members of the cabinets and other government ministers abstaining and even voting against the conservative whip. 12 cabinet ministers and all, i can quickly go through some of those names. amber rudd, the work and pensions secretary clark, david, the justice secretary and this got secretary all for those cabinet ministers are cabinet secretaries abstaining tonight and then claire, robert buckland, alastair bert, margojames, robert buckland, alastair bert, margo james, richard robert buckland, alastair bert, margojames, richard harrington and and milton. all abstaining. margojames, richard harrington and and milton. allabstaining. 0f margojames, richard harrington and and milton. all abstaining. of sarah newton, a junior minister in the work and pensions department voting against and she has resigned tonight because of that decision that she has taken. let's go to the lobby and speak to our chief correspondent
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vicki young. everyone trying to absorb what's going on tonight, dozens absorb what's going on tonight, d oze ns of absorb what's going on tonight, dozens of ministers and mps going against their orders but one ministerial resignation and edge of your just jealous of her ministerial resignation and edge of yourjustjealous of her that voted against the deal last night, a brexiteer saying now the stark choice he is facing is over the deal which he thinks is dreadful or there will be no brexit whatsoever. let's speak to anna from the independent group. are you surprised by the numbers tonight? i did not think we would win the first vote on the caroline spelman amendment because it was all organised very last minute because we thought there was going to be a vote and that there was not, and then there was a vote. the final vote when the government exceptionally and foolishly broke word did not have what we called a free vote, it was whipped against its own deal. whipping against own policy of not surprisingly it was
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heavily defeated. i'm afraid this is a terrible crisis and we have a pitiful lack of leadership, i did not think that what we try to make progress in seeing what we don't wa nt progress in seeing what we don't want to do, and saying what we don't wa nt want to do, and saying what we don't want forward. the prime minister just does not listen. the other thing worrying me is that she is making promises of the dispatch box which i'm afraid to say she is then breaking. this is terrible. it's like somebody that isjust breaking. this is terrible. it's like somebody that is just a breaking. this is terrible. it's like somebody that isjust a robot who is determined she is going to get through her agreement and almost battered people into submission. seems to be working it would seem. it's got to be a better country. this is possibly what's going to happen now. you have people like your formal day happen now. you have people like yourformal day former happen now. you have people like your formal day former colleague saying i'm faced with that choice. either lose breaks to completely or vote for her deal. her deal could possibly go through for the third
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time of asking. and they will be. you have to do the right thing by your constituents and by your country, and the problem with her deal is never mind the irish backstop, you will actually make up our country for her. i'm not going to vote for something in the full knowledge that my constituency will be worse off. it also does not deliver the promised deal, the trade deal. we have years and more of this stuff. your viewers will be tearing their hairout stuff. your viewers will be tearing their hair out thinking we can't get their hair out thinking we can't get the agreement through. that's the end ofan the agreement through. that's the end of an far from it. all of this confusion and chaos will continue. do you think the prime minister can survive that the leader of your party for much longer?” survive that the leader of your party for much longer? i meant despair because i'm afraid i think her qualities have seemed to have disappeared, she does not listen, she has ten years as a put it and she has ten years as a put it and she has ten years as a put it and she has this terrible stubbornness as well. to be the only way through this nightmare, and i know nobody
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really wants to have a second referendum, but it's the only way through it. it's the right thing to do. people can now see brexit and if you think that such a great deal why did she not have the confidence to put it to the british people? have the people spoke with means that they could vote for her deal and that would be the end of it but of course you have the right to say the best deal is the current deal we have in all of those young people that will bear the burden have a right to have a say. now that seems quite an astonishing night and terribly disturbing because she just will not listen to people even on the go and vote in the numbers that we do. she dismisses it. if you don't agree with her you are out. that's not the markedly good prime minister never mind a great prime minister. she is extremely poor. she will put on a motion tomorrow at saying extend article 50, delay brexit, what do you think might happen there? that's what she
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promised. that's what we all thought, that's what you thought. and those viewers at home who pay any interest or still paying interest will think the same as well but we have not got that. it's conditional yet again on her withdrawal agreement being voted for. that's what it's all about. it's about bashing people into submission through her absolute delusions and stubbornness. this is not good for our country. her duties asa memberof not good for our country. her duties as a member of parliament, your primary duty to your country not your party or ideological belief or stubborn view is about investing for your country and i don't think she is doing that. thank you very much indeed. tomorrow there will be more events happening here in more votes do, but very clear tonight talking to mps that many of them did not see this coming from up the level of anger the conservative party is as
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high as it has been for a very long time. i think that anger is palpable within the conservative party this evening. all sides we should say. please to say i'm joined by georgina from the institute for government and conservative mp george freeman. cani and conservative mp george freeman. can i read you a tweet from laura, or political editor. a former shares but he has a ministers that were unable to support government are allowed to remain in place we will have no weight to persuade and it collects to ever support future three line whips. 12 cabinet secretaries and ministers who did not go with the government tonight. collective responsibility was suspended two and a half years ago for the referendum and has never been installed. afraid it was one of the implications of the brexit revolution. the pity is that it has dropped his country of proper and effective government and that's why we have got to get through this will
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find a brexit gel that can get through the house and get back to proper effective government. let's start there. tomorrow there will be a vote to delay and i would presume that it will be indicative votes attached to that. what do you think is going to happen? at the it's very important for your viewers to understand what has happened, firstly last night, it voted against the prime minister's deal. i was a remainer, i went to vote for and i'm happily voting for brexit, i was abandoned by hard—core conservative brexiteers who joined hard abandoned by hard—core conservative brexiteers whojoined hard left abandoned by hard—core conservative brexiteers who joined hard left s mps and anti—brexiteers. you could not make it up and afraid the deal is now dead, and tonight parliament said we're not prepared to crash out in two weeks which was what some of the rebels last night wanted. as a majority in this house for a sensible break that or at least 100 labor mps sensible break that or at least 100 labormps in sensible break that or at least 100 labor mps in northern brexit voting constituencies who provided they can
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show that the government is humiliated enough to hold her noses. they will vote for brexit and have absolutely committed to finding a brexit deal that can get through. you're talking about norway plus. a customs union. no. the european free trade area, it's not a customs union. if you are there you are in the singles market. the issue is... they want to keep the border and island opened. —— ireland. they want to keep the border and island opened. -- ireland. they demand their price. for me it's not a customs union, it's a very close customs partnership, it gives us the alignment to sell goods if the market but also the freedom to trade internationally. i think that's the central gravity of this country, most of my leave voters said i want to be ina most of my leave voters said i want to be in a common market, not a political one. the problem with it
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requires that. it's free movement of workers, not citizens. we would need to do two key things. major welfare reform to start my first tourism, getting thejob in reform to start my first tourism, getting the job in setting housing but if it back to poland and then secondly we have to put in place to big skills packets for our blue—collar voters feeling abandoned to technology and globalisation. interesting detail. is it indicative vote with the prime minister has made it clear today she wants meaningful vote three and there's some suggesting tonight that would hold their nose and vote for that deal as opposed to what you just set out? of the prime minister had done what i and others asked to have a third at the beginning of february would be on vote five think it to the majority of about 15. that is not what happened, we are two weeks out it was defeated by at 150. the prime minister's deal is dead in the
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house now wants to and should be given the chance to have a plan b. the commission is playing out state m e nts the commission is playing out statements tonight, it does not think her deal is dead, it is saying it's either that deal or what? revoking article 50? that's what they will try and catch you in a short extension. will be of her tonight and they said very plainly the vote against no deal does not ta ke the vote against no deal does not take no deal off the table. the only way to date take it off the table is either to accept some form of deal orto either to accept some form of deal or to revoke article 50 and stop the process altogether. those are the options at the moment is a deal on the table, parliament has rejected it. there is not a deal to stop altogether. then you state what you going to do? does withdrawal agreement stop what george has just set out? you could pass through agreement and still get out. in
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september at mr tusk said we have you originally a canada free trade agreement or a norway one. candidate would not have brought ireland when it happened. they decided to go down this weird path or having this weird deal. my information and intelligence instinct is that europe does not want a no deal either if they think it's a serious chance of this house finding a sensible plan b there will give us the time to do it. dave indicated if the government changed its redline, if for example the government position changes that actually we want another agreement there may be flexibility in that withdrawal agreement and there might be that they are. but because of this we want to leave this single market and leave the customs union add and freedom of movement they say well we have gone as far as we can and now the ball is in your court. in mind what we are setting out, the
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prime minister if she followed your advice went to the deal she would lose a fair chunk of her party which would be opposed to that. she would have to preach one of her redlines and lose conservatives. they demonstrated their knot with her anyway. we are going to have to deliver brexit without them across party brexit. i'm sure they want us to exercise some political wit and maneuverability and compromise to find a brexit deal. the point i was coming to is that once you have agreed to the deal you have to pass the legislation for it that means the legislation for it that means the prime minister would have to put an enormous amount of trust and the opposition so do you pass the deal and then inevitably go for a general election? general election is coming. difficult to see how a government with a majority of aids is rapidly going through. we lost three mps last week and 30 in the 2017 election. this is only going in
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one direction. i think when you just start to begin to prepare for that reset moment and i were at the moment the conservative party which looks like it's relishing no deal has not got the wit to find it. it looks like it's in danger of defying the public vote for brexit and proving itself incompetent to finding a solution. the point you're saying is the solution you just offered can be done within a short time span it would not need a long delay. you could do that in two months. yes. they will get a three months. yes. they will get a three month extension tomorrow could be. after they said we would be happy to have brittany and if that's with the british prime minister is happy for us going. we are already there the legal bit that would give us access to the single market. it's doable unlike the morehouse compromise which is a complete deconstruction of the deal. it's the off—the—shelf solution that best matches what they
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want. this sounds bad to some brexiteers in remainers. they are saying this is staying very close to the european union. he is saying that he will be doing all of he can to try and get one of these countries to veto the extension. there would only need one to veto it. i caught wind of the interview as well. we have got to place these negotiations and the broader context of what is going on in the eu right now. they are the different member states discussing how the budget committee seven your budget will be spent. we realistically think that a new country would side with the uk and oppose all of the others if it thought that that might in some way impacts how much money it would be able to get along that big term of the coming years? i think that's the problem is that these negotiations are not happening in a vacuum is
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lots of others internal and negotiations going on and member states will be cautious about yes we will try to help the uk is much as possible but it's unlikely it will side with the uk and oppose everyone else because they might use leverage elsewhere. how much longer can the chaos we have seen across the road continue? you make it through the softer brexit but then you set out tonight but there's more defeat, the 15th member of the government to resign tonight and i dare say if you go to the country there will be a lot of people that will blame the conservative party for this and want to give the conservative party anything. that's why abate collea g u es anything. that's why abate colleagues yesterday to vote for the deal, it's not perfect at all all sorts of weaknesses but it's a deal that would give us an orderly transition and would have taken us out of the european union in a way that businesses could live with. i bitterly regret the colleagues voting against it. i think it's wearing very thin and at this rate is quite clear we will have a
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general election long before 2022. it's also clear to everybody including the prime minister she's running out of road and running out of room to maneuver goodwill, trust and all the things you need to be able to negotiate. i think what she said last night to the house i am your servant, tell me where you want to go and i will do my best and that's her last chance. now it is up to parliament and i'm absolutely committed to seeing whether we can't find a cross party brexit. i think she will be lauded as a hero in the nation for going beyond party and reaching out across party, one nation brexit a link to the northern labor voters with the people that voted to leave but in a way that does not insult the 48%, and one nation conservative brexit, not a ukip brexit. thank you to both of you. another historic night here at the house of commons in westminster tonight. the government defeated
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again the resignation and tomorrow we go forward of course to the vote ona we go forward of course to the vote on a delay. you are watching a bbc news special. wednesday cost in excess of 17 mph. the heart of the area that is low pressure that is gareth. a great big white ribbon feeding all the way across to north america and that's the conveyor belt that will keep the stormy weather coming for us in the next few days. strong winds thursday and friday maybe even another name to storm on saturday. for this evening and overnight looking to see rain pushing into the north and west singing its way south east and the winds remain strong again and the gusts of 45 mph. more persistent rain will head away from southern
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reaches of the uk quite quickly on thursday as the weather front sinks to the south but there will still be plenty of showers following on behind during the early part of the day. for most offering up at least some reign as the day goes on prospects overall will become a much brighter but the wind will still remain king. in some areas will feel quite similar to today at seven or being more sunshine in terms of the winds having similar strengths despite having a low pressure centre not being named. we are talking about 50 mph gusts and even higher than that. our temperatures eight to 13 should about cover it. we will see another low spitting up on that conveyor belt running to the north of the uk, friday another windy day and a lot of showers eating fat across the eastern areas faring best and that's why it's showing up.
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scattered snow showers on friday and then we have another low etc develop an even deeper once again for saturday. if it is deep enough it will be named hannah and be bringing ina will be named hannah and be bringing in a widespread gales and heavy rain. potentially also heavy snow across the northern half of the uk. 0ur forecast remains very immobile as we go through the coming days and strong winds with potentially another stormy day to come on saturday.
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