hello. it's thursday. it's 10 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. brexit. does your head feel like this? do not worry and stick with us because we will talk you through everything that is happening and all in plain english. we have our political guru norman smith who this time yesterday reported that mrs may's brexit deal was not dead and would likely be brought back again. you are joking! she had suffered two cataclysmic defeats. how on earth could she bring it back again? my view is that she still thinks that is the best way and the only way really to get any sort of agreement with the eu. what would brenda in bristol say? you arejoking! not what would brenda in bristol say? you are joking! not another one! 0h,

yes, brenda. we are heading fora third vote and maybe even a fourth vote. also on the programme today: should you be worrying about gaming addiction? the where things got with my family, the more i went into that online world of gaming and it consumed my life to the point i lost myjob and my consumed my life to the point i lost my job and my family, consumed my life to the point i lost myjob and my family, my home and everything. one of the largest addiction treatment firms in this country addiction treatment firms in this cou ntry tells addiction treatment firms in this country tells us that although the figures are still small, the number of people they have seen with addiction to gaming has tripled in the last four years. we will talk to an addiction therapist. what is his advice for making sure people do not become addicted to screens? hello and welcome to the programme. we are alive until 11 o'clock this morning. i have a question for you. as you know, the eu is due to leave

the eu -- as you know, the eu is due to leave the eu —— the as you know, the eu is due to leave the eu -- the uk as you know, the eu is due to leave the eu —— the uk is due to leave the eu on the 29th of march. do you think that is going to happen? please send us an email. eddie said: all those mps who have now betrayed the referendum vote and the british people back in 2016 should now resign. a list of mps should be made available. it is out there, eddie. you have now killed democracy, says eddie. the british people will not forget this betrayal big time and it is now time for theresa may also to resign. this text: this is how democracy works? mps blackmailed into accepting mrs may's deal for fear of no deal? revoke article 50 110w fear of no deal? revoke article 50 now and do what is best for the people? this tweet: a cooling off period is recommended. 0ne people? this tweet: a cooling off period is recommended. one year sounds about right. davy: allowing

the public vote for a second time on brexit is undemocratic and theresa may making mps vote three times on her desperate deal is fine? stop trying to make your deal happen, mrs may. do you think the uk will leave the eu on the 29th of march? let me know this morning. and now the news. good morning. mps will vote today on whether they want a delay in the uk's departure from the european union, after rejecting the idea of leaving without a deal in the commons last night. the government is willing to ask the eu for a one—off postponement until the end ofjune. theresa may will make a third attempt to get her eu withdrawal deal through parliament in the next week. the chancellor, philip hammond, has urged members on all sides of the house to come together. an awful lot of us are not going to get exa ctly an awful lot of us are not going to get exactly what we would have wa nted get exactly what we would have wanted that we have got to be mature about this and form a compromise that the house of commons can get behind. this afternoon, huw edwards will be live from westminster, as mps prepare to vote on whether to seek an extension to article 50, thereby delaying the uk's departure from the european union.

you can watch it on the bbc news channel and bbc two from 4.115 this afternoon. follow it online on the bbc news website, and listen on radio 5 live. in the next hour, prosecutors in northern ireland will announce whether former soldiers are to be charged over the killings on bloody sunday in londonderry almost five decades ago. troops from the parachute regiment shot dead 13 people at a civil rights demonstration in the city in 1972. charges, including murder and attempted murder, have been considered against 17 british army veterans. the number of people cautioned or prosecuted for carrying a knife has reached its highest level for ten years. the ministry ofjustice says more than 21,000 offenders were dealt with in england and wales last year, the highest number since 2009. 37 per cent of those caught were jailed. the nhs in england has now missed its flagship cancer target for more than 1000 days.

hospitals are meant to start treatment within 62 days of a gp referral and have been set a target of achieving that for 85% of patients. but the last time that was met was december 2015. the latest monthly figures for cancer, covering january, showed 76.2% started treatment in 62 days, the worst single performance since records began in 2009. boeing's entire global fleet of 737 max aircraft has been grounded after investigators uncovered new evidence at the scene of sunday's ethiopian airlines crash which killed 157 people. it was the second fatal accident involving the model in five months after one crashed over indonesia in october, claiming 189 lives. boeing says it'll now suspend all 371 of the aircraft. a third man will appear in court this morning charged with murdering teenager jodie chesney in east london almost two weeks ago. the 17—year—old was stabbed

in the back while she played music with friends near a playground in romford on the 1st of march. svenson 0n—a—kwie, who's 18, will appear before magistrates this morning. a former council tenant who bought their home under the right to buy scheme made a £277,000 profit when they sold itjust nine days later. research by the bbc has found that the solihull buyer was among 140 in great britain who bought and resold within a month. opponents of the scheme say too many people have profited but supporters say the policy gives people the chance to climb the housing ladder. that is a summary of our main stories. back to you, victoria. thank you. 10:06am. thank you. brexit, where are we today? if you are feeling like this, join a club. it feels chaotic and crazy and one vetera n it feels chaotic and crazy and one veteran conservative mp told us yesterday it would be entertaining if it wasn't so serious. and in the

last few minutes, another conservative mp, george freeman, has called for mrs may to quit. that was before last night's dramatic and confusing events in the comments. let's talk through what happened between seven o'clock and eight o'clock at westminster. the government ordered its own conservative mps to vote against its own proposal, its own motion, because of a bit added onto it by other mps, called an amendment which had changed the meaning, to rule out no deal in any circumstances. did conservative mps do what they were told? no. 1:6 members of the government defied how their bosses wanted them to vote, went against conservative party instructions. four of those were ministers who abstained from voting altogether. remember that some of these are mrs may's top team. that would normally be a sackable offence, but these are not normal times. tonight there's a vote

on whether to push brexit day back, extending article 50, but no one seems to be able to spell out specifically what that extension would be for. and as reported by our own political guru norman smith at about 10:30 yesterday, theresa may's deal looks like it's coming back for a third vote very soon. let's talk to norman but first, george freeman's tweet. there is this the beginning of the house of cards crumbling or not? if mrs may gets a brexit deal, let's be honest, who knows? it is hard to see how she can go on much longer. a cabinet is openly defying her and her party is split. she looks tired and weary and she has probably exhausted all her political resources. i wouldn't be surprised if she felt she had done herjob and that was it. i don't think mr freeman is a lone voice and i think other tories will probably start to say if you get it through, and that is an almighty big if, then

really bad is it and you have got to move on. let's read this tweet: this chaos can't go on much longer. the pm should promise after the withdrawal 20 is secured to allow a new leader to reunite the country and oversee the next stage. she should. it looks like you are right about this deal coming back again. how will she sell it this time? part of it is the robert the bruce strategy with the spider in the cave. if at first you don't succeed, try and try and try again and that is what she is doing. she is trying to wear people down. she has got some levers that she can pull. number one, to say to recalcitrant tory mps, if you voted down my deal, we will get a really long delay from the eu, which means brexit could be delayed for years potentially. secondly she is hoping to get some

reworked legal advice from the attorney—general in hopes that will get more tory mps on board. and lastly, we a re get more tory mps on board. and lastly, we are hearing that relations are beginning to thaw between the dup and mrs may. there isa between the dup and mrs may. there is a hope that they might come on board and if they do, a lot of tory mps might come on board. that is a game plan but the bottom line is she has still got to overturn a majority of 11:9, has still got to overturn a majority of 149, which is a huge majority. that is why i think there could still be a meaningful vote four, never mind meaningful vote three. what would brenda say to that? never mind brenda! what would we all say? absolutely. it does not bear thinking about. there are a few swear words that might come to her mind. fourcabinet swear words that might come to her mind. four cabinet ministers defied instructions to vote against the plan, definitively rolling out an

ideal brexit. they are mrs may's supposedly top team, her close confidant in government. they did not vote in a way that she wanted. —— ruling out no deal like that. normally they would be sacked or resign. they are still in their jobs. how come? because mrs may simply now lacked the authority to sack them. if she were to kick them out, it is possible that would trigger a stampede of other ministers and open up the naked civil war within the tory party. the only option she has really got is to grit her teeth, looked the other way, and try and ignore it. the problem is the brexiteers are up in arms. they are saying, hang on a sec, you have got rebellious remainers. why aren't you cracking the whip and kicking them out? it

makes some of them think, that does it. we are never going to support your deal. it is almost impossible for her. if you moved against the remainers, she might trigger more of them to go and on the other hand, she has got the brexiteers are saying we will never back your deal. she is basically in the cross hairs of both sides. yes or no, is britain leaving the eu on march the 29th? probably not. there will be a shortage delay, i expect, and it mrs may's motion is passed today, that will be until the 23rd ofjune. thank you. on facebook: i think mps have seemed to have forgotten to put them in their position in the first place. how dare they vote in parliament against their

constituents' wishes? they should grow up and stop patronising up and do what we want and get us out of the eu. so many more different views and of course i will read many in the next hour. if mrs may but said it again to mps, will the eurosceptic conservatives who voted against a deal twice change their mind and vote for it this time? could they get it over the line this time? mark francois is deputy chairman of the group led by jacob rees—mogg which calls itself the european research group. would that be enough to get you to vote for it? the way this has been handled has been chaotic. 0n the monday night, we had complex legal documents being given out to mps at a quarter to midnight. 0n

documents being given out to mps at a quarter to midnight. on tuesday, the attorney general provided his written legal advice to parliament, which we all read very carefully before we voted. they gave that out mid—morning. then at five o'clock, two hours before the vote, they came up two hours before the vote, they came up with some sort of additional advice. so it was all a bit of a rush? so if he clarifies this, and this does turn out to be true that becoming, he makes it clear that if the backstop becomes permanent, that means a fundamental change of circumstances so the uk could unilateral —— unilaterally pull out of it come up with that be enough to get you to vote for‘s deal of their time? yes or no? i am not here to do yes or no questions. but it is really straightforward. would that be enough for you. i have not seen what the attorney general has said yet. if it is that, would that be enough? with respect, we are talking about an international treaty and

one thing i have learnt as an mp after 18 years, particularly dealing with european union, is to read the small print. we established a star chamber. let's not go back over that. you got at it and the advice wasn't enough so you said if there is not a change, you won't vote for it. iam is not a change, you won't vote for it. i am saying this might be a change and i am asking you if this might be enough? the star chamber will examine this and then advise the erg on what to do. i'm not trying to duck the question but i can't give you an a nswer question but i can't give you an answer without that advice. theresa may will warn that if a deal failed to pass a third time, you will get a really long delay and you might lose brexit. are you prepared to take that gamble? the deal, the withdrawal agreement, a draft

international treaty, does not take us international treaty, does not take us out of the european union. international treaty, does not take us out of the european unionlj international treaty, does not take us out of the european union. i have read it. that is why we have been against it all along. there must be some reason why against it all along. there must be some reason why we against it all along. there must be some reason why we keep voting against it. that it is the only deal on offer. the eu will not negotiate another one. you surely don't believe that is a realistic possibility? that is the deal. believe that is a realistic possibility? that is the dealm you are buying a car and someone said it is a car which will not start, you wouldn't buy it. you can give me all the analogies in the world. you know that is the only deal the eu will offer. that is clear. the telegraph and the sun, when nothing came out, went through it with a fine tooth comb, as did members of parliament. -- when this thing came out. they concluded it was a surrender document and i am not prepared to surrender to anybody. but it could take the uk out of the eu on the 29th of march. are you prepared to the gamble? the

default position, despite yesterday's vote, legally we leave on the 29th of march. you surely don't believe that will happen? theresa may is preparing a request for a one off extension tojune. theresa may is preparing a request for a one off extension to june. she can request whatever she likes. after the shambles in the house of commons last night, in 18 years as a member of parliament, i have never seen anything like last night. that may be the case that the eu is likely to grant that extension. the house of commons has got to debate it today. we have not taken a decision yet. your viewers might wa nt to decision yet. your viewers might want to know that we are likely to be voting today on whether to take a second referendum of the table and an amendment was tabled for that last night and if it is selected, we will vote on that. if theresa may is mandated to go back to brussels and ask for an extension, they are likely to say yes, so we are not leaving on the 29th of march, are we? if you read this, it says we would ask for an extension but only if the withdrawal agreement passes.

and that is likely to be amended. can you look me in the eye and tell me that it uk is leaving the eu on the 29th of march. everybody hopes so. we all know what that means. you can't guarantee it and you don't know. i can't guarantee it but 17.4 million people voted for it. excuse me, it is my turn. i very much hope that we will honour the decision of 17.4 million british people and leave on time on the 29th

of march. and if mrs may were here, she would say, if you vote for her deal on the third time around then we will be leaving. and i would say, asiam we will be leaving. and i would say, as i am here, having read the deal, and with respect, victoria, have you read it? of course i have! twice. so have i. you know it means we don't leave. that it is the only deal in town. if it is a rancid deal, why vote for it? that is your choice. should cabinet members who defied party instructions be sacked? yes. i think collective responsibility fell off its horse and died last night. there newton was one minister who resigned on the point of honour because she did not obey the three line web and i think among her collea g u es line web and i think among her colleagues she has engendered tremendous respect for doing the proper and the right thing in those circumstances. why hasn't mrs may sacked them? i don't think she has a political authority to do that anymore. how would you describe the state of her political authority today? i have seen better run parish councils than the house of commons last night. this is your own government and your own conservative prime minister you are talking about? i can only say it as i see it. because the first vote on taking the deal off the table was so close, only four votes in it, a number of very pro—remain ministers realised that and thought, grams, if we don't do something it could be overturned on the second because it is so close, said they deliberately left, and in defiance of a three line

whip, the prime minister, with her own three line whip, all the other ministers and backbenchers went through the lobby to oppose the amended motion, and these ministers are themselves. do you think they'll be by number 10? are themselves. do you think they'll be by number10? number10 has done nothing about it so of course they are. what do you think of that? if you do not have collective responsibility... ministers are supposed to support each other and work together as a government. that is how our constitution works. under our constitution, if a minister cannot support the policy of the government, they have got to resign, which is what sarah newton honourably did. but they don't have to resign. discipline has broken down. collective responsibility fell off its horse and died. it is not the fault of the whip's office. you may as well dissolve them and send

them off for a two your holiday. bearing that in mind, how long can your government last? i will focus today on the critical votes. how long? we will see but can i say that the prime minister's authority is seeping away? so she has got some authority left, you are saying? every backbench mp in the tory party, in fact every mp in the house of commons can see what is going on. when you have ministers who openly d efy when you have ministers who openly defy the prime minister and openly d efy defy the prime minister and openly defy a three line whip, and nothing happens to them, you have got to ask yourself are you really in power and indeed are you really even in office? that is a conservative mp talking about his own government. we did ask the government to put someone up did ask the government to put someone up to adopt to us today and they haven't got back to us. we also asked many junior and cabinet ministers who did not vote the way they were expected to last night to come on the programme. no success yet but we are nothing if not persistent on this programme. let's

talk to a former polish foreign minister. mps are likely to mandate theresa may to go to brussels to ask foran theresa may to go to brussels to ask for an extension to article 50. so to delay our brexit day. tanya, do you think the eu will say yes?|j don't you think the eu will say yes?” don't think that you can anytime soon leave the eu, listening to your last guest. it is not a secret that we hope you will find a way to remain and keep membership of the eu. when it comes to the extension, i have got to say that we need to see why. we need more clarity. it is not only about the time. so far it has been handled in a very chaotic way. it was a historic defeat for

theresa may. we asked for confidence in her. i hope we still have confidence in the members of the parliament. they have got to bring back control and bring more clarity in the process. what kind of explanation do you think the eu would accept if or when britain asks foran would accept if or when britain asks for an extension? i think the eu will be sympathetic. the president of the eu council, donald tusk, my prime minister, already said so. i think there is a great deal of goodwill towards britain. the hope would be that either you will sort your problems out and we will have a deal, or both sides need more time, still very little, to prepare for a no deal scenario. i think it is likely to be granted. and how long would you give us, briefly? only until the end of june would you give us, briefly? only until the end ofjune because on the ist ofjuly, new members of

parliament are taking their seats. and britain would then be in breach of european law, not having its members of parliament. this is only their withdrawal agreement, remember. this is just their withdrawal agreement, remember. this isjust settling the bill at the bar after you have sent your resignation letter from the clerk. —— the club. this will be like this for years and decades because the negotiations on the future relations are going to be much harder and will take much longer. and then of course the eu is not a static body. it will develop new policies with which britain will need to have a relationship. these negotiations will be very hard for britain because one of the fundamental causes of brexit has been britain overstating its influence on the eu. who would have thought? thank you very much for coming on the programme. this text:

if we don't leave on the 29th of march i and many others will take to the streets to show politicians what happens when we are ignored. bring on the revolution because democracy is dead. this text says: rather than having a gun to the head and voting for what nobody wants, why are mps so scared of going for a people's that? that really would be democracy at its best, putting the people first. peter on email: at listening to politicians and seeing the brexit vote, they have turned this process into a vote, they have turned this process intoa tsunami vote, they have turned this process into a tsunami which with a bit of luck will drown them. mrs may has negotiated in good faith with the eu while they have done everything to destroy brexit and get as much money out of britain as possible. there's regularly a moral panic about children and young people getting addicted to gaming, and this programme has learned that there are a growing number of people seeking private help because they are alarmed about being hooked on playing video games but, interestingly, the figures are small. one of the largest addiction treatment firms in the country has

told us the number of people they ve seen for video gaming has tripled in the last four years — going from seven people to 22. hardly an epidemic, but it's a trend other private therapists and providers are also seeing. the world health organisation has classified gaming disorder as a mental health condition for the first time. and the first nhs clinic to treat gaming addiction is soon to open. here's divya talwar‘s report. if you see a story about video gaming in the news, it is often negative. the world health 0rganisation now recognises gaming disorder as a mental health condition. my gaming was pretty much all day, every day. while for most, gaming is harmless fun, for some it can spiral into a problem with major consequences. depression, anxiety, loss of relationships. one of the

largest private addiction treatment firms has dulled this programme the number of people they have seen for video gaming has tripled in the last four years. if i wasn't gaming, i was thinking about gaming. itjust consumed me. here on harley street in central london, a number of clinics offer private help for video gaming problems. this is liliana. we are not using her real name. she has come to see an addiction expert based here. whatever it is, you wouldn't be doing that consistently if it wasn't giving you something that actually you need emotionally. i have been allowed to sit in on liliana's session. she is 18 and she started playing online video games on her phone about six months ago. most days i willjust get home and i will feel tired after work. i just

decided to play on my phone instead of doing whatever it is i need to do. i say i will do it tomorrow or inafew do. i say i will do it tomorrow or in a few hours. you use it when you are bored, when you are stressed, as an antidote to a lack of challenge perhaps. do you ever use it late at night for example? yes, i will use it until the early morning sometimes. what consequences have already ta ken place sometimes. what consequences have already taken place as a direct result of you playing this game?” feel like a socially and in my work it is affecting me. i will be really tired from staying up late. i will be in tired from staying up late. i will beina tired from staying up late. i will be in a really bad mood and i won't be in a really bad mood and i won't be able to concentrate. liliana works in a coffee shop. she tells adam that playing games on her phone is taking over her life. she is isolating herself from friends and family, staying in her bedroom to play games. other than relaxation, what else do you feel you get back positively from the games that you play? i would say challenge. because

i feel good once i have completed a certain song. the key thing is that you need at some level elements of challenge and relaxation, and there may be other needs as well, and you are not currently getting that from how you primarily spend your time. at the end of the 40 minute session, liliana takes an important step. at the end of the 40 minute session, liliana takes an important stepm may be that the best thing you can do is delete those games. are you willing to? yes. ok. can you do that now? 0k. willing to? yes. ok. can you do that now? ok. you can always make that decision to reinstall them, even if you lose high schools and things like that, but it means it becomes a decision you are making to choose fabricated experiences rather than real experiences. liliana will see adam again in three weeks. we catch up

adam again in three weeks. we catch up after today's session. you have taken a really big step today, deleting all the games from your phone. do you think that you can keep it up? i hope that i can. i really wa nt keep it up? i hope that i can. i really want to try. now it is time to fight back. there is an specialised treatment for gaming disorder on the nhs, but that is about to change with plans to open the first internet addiction clinic in london. 0ne one of the largest providers of addiction treatment across the country run several private rehab centres like primrose lodge in guildford, which treats all kinds of addictions. ucat‘s clinics have seen more people getting helpful gaming addiction. we are calling this man sean, he was one of them. it was in escapism for me and if i wasn't gaming, iwas escapism for me and if i wasn't gaming, i was thinking about gaming. what impact has gaming had on your life? the absolute worst, my gaming was pretty much all day every day.

my was pretty much all day every day. my children were like an inconvenience because they wanted my time and! inconvenience because they wanted my time and i wasn't able to give them my time and my love. i remember shouting at my partner telling my children to go away, the dog used to sit next to me because i would never ta ke sit next to me because i would never take the dugout and i would literally swear at the dog. eventually, things got so bad, sean checked into rehab and spent a month in treatment. the worse things got with my family, the mori went into that online world of gaming and it consumed my life until i lost myjob andi consumed my life until i lost myjob and i lost my family and my home, job, everything. spending hours playing video games isn't a sign of a problem, it is when it gets in the sign —— in the way of your life with negative consequences. there is not enough research to know how big a problem video game addiction is but most experts would put it at less than a few percent of all players. while the majority people coming into private treatment centres like this are for alcohol, drug and gambling problems, there is a real

and growing number looking for helpful video gaming. in four years, ucat has seen more than 200% increase in people crossing their centres. why do you think you have seen this increase? there is some good research out there to show games are designed to engage people in sucha games are designed to engage people in such a way to create an addictive process. secondly, accessibility to games. so, moving from a console to tablets and mobile phones. and lastly, it is more in the public consciousness now. and it is notjust a trend seen by ucat, several other private therapists and treatment providers have also told us they are seeing more cases, like this place on harley street we came to three weeks ago. so, the last time we were here, we met a young girl who came to get help with her gaming problem. well,

she has another session today and i wa nt to she has another session today and i want to know if she has managed to stay away from those video games. her therapist, adam cox, has been seen more cases like liliana. typically, several each month. a few yea rs typically, several each month. a few years ago, he hardly saw any. what has been different, have you found? it has been really weird because every time i thought about it or i could have played games, ijust, the feeling this really different. i wasn't enthusiastic about it as much any more and ijust felt happier when i realised howl any more and ijust felt happier when i realised how i was feeling. liliana has not played any games in three weeks, she has been tempted but has been practising some of the technique she has learnt by thinking about what real experiences she is missing out on. do you think you will be able to keep up and stay away from the games? i think, yes, keep up and stay away from the games? ithink, yes, it looks like it. ijust think there are some better things i could be doing. you

are smiling canal so clearly happier than you were then when we met you three weeks ago. yes, i was really embarrassed and really ashamed, but lam embarrassed and really ashamed, but i am really happy now that i have changed the way i am seeing it. sean relapse after leaving rehab a few times but is back on track the last 14 months. he is hoping with gaming disorder now recognised as a clinical condition, it will legitimise a problem he struggled with for many years and open the doorfor more treatment with for many years and open the door for more treatment options. do you think you could ever pick up again and just play without it turning into a problem? no, it is like an alcoholic can never go back and drink normally again and i can never do that again, i am pretty sure of that. it is not like i think, i will go home and mess up. i can only make plans for the future, it is good to have dreams and hopes but live in the moment and live for right now and right now, everything

is ok. lets speak to the therapist and addiction expert adam cox who you saw in that film. good morning, for our audience who might not necessarily be worried about people becoming addicted to gaming but worried about their kids being on screen is too long, what is your advice? for parents, set boundaries. games are designed to be very addictive because the gaming companies want people to spend more time and more money through micro—transactions on the games so that to do is set boundaries, let them have a certain window of time they can play the games and say they can only play the games if they do certain key things like finish homework and get good grades, things like that. what about that moment, may be 7pm in the evening, when you say, time is up, you have had your time on the screen and they say, i am in the middle of the game, i can't stop now, and it leads to fiction and worse? the reason is the game formats have changed and it used to be games didn't involve other people, but these battle

royale formats, you play against other people and if you have invested a lot of time and still play that game, that represent success. for a parent to say to stop now and does everything they have done to that point. my advice to pa rents would done to that point. my advice to parents would be, allow them to choose certain games that enable them to pause and stop without any consequences and may be those of the formats of games play at weekends and other times. the numbers addicted to gaming looking for treatment privately are small. do we really need to worry about gaming addiction? i think the nature of the model of how these gaming companies make money has changed from selling games, playing those games, to a lot of the time, the games are free and they make money inside the gaming experience. i think we are at the tip of the iceberg and we can expect more cases like we saw with this nine—year—old weeing herself rather than leaving the game. we will see more cases like this and people spending thousands and thousands in games and they can't simply stop.

thank you very much, adam, we appreciate you coming on the programme, thank you. still to come... ‘pornography laid bare' — i'll speak to some of the people involved in a bbc three documentary, which claims one in five young people in the uk think they've been addicted to porn. and as all the chaos and confusion continues at westminster — we'll speak to voters to hear what they make of it all. and to see if they could do a better job, actually. campaigners say that free sanitary towels and tampons should be available in primary schools — to stop girls missing school when they're on their periods. the chancellor, philip hammond, yesterday announced that they will be provided to secondary schools and colleges in england from the next school year. but campaigners point out that some girls start their periods as young as eight. let's speak now to amika george,

who has led the campaign for free sanitary products for children whose families can t afford them. she was named one of time magazine s most influential teenagers. lucy cannon, a pe teacher from an academy in bristol which provides free sanitary products and says it s helped improve participation at school. nadia collier, who works in a primary school in hackney, in london, and wants the government to extend its help to primary schools now. 0k, why is this necessary, would you say? we know that this is 100% happening in the uk and notjust affecting girls in secondary schools and colleges, it is incredible the government has finally announced they are going to provide the products for free they are going to provide the products forfree in —— as they are going to provide the products for free in —— as scotland has done. we have been campaigning for this for over two years and it is amazing they finally responded but it needs to be rolled out to primary schools because there is definitely a need. charities are providing the products in primary schools to ask many as 25% of girls sometimes and it is amazing they are taking this step, but it does need to go further. is it an issue in

your school, your primary school? yes, very much so. in the sense of, for example, my primary school is in a deprived area and we look at children who are in receipt of free school meals so we know they are deprived families and children are going into their menstrual cycle a lot earlier. just the support they would need for primary schools to be able to go through those times is essential and we are seeing it more and more with young girls now in our school. lucy, you would say, what, to the chancellor? i think it is really put it to make sure we have free products for all school children from all ages, it has been amazing we have now got it in secondary school and colleges, but primary schools definitely need them as well. what difference will it make to secondary schools and colleges, do we all think?‘ make to secondary schools and colleges, do we all think? a huge difference, scotland has already started giving out the products for free in schools, colleges and universities and it is transforming so many lives. period poverty is literally rubbing girls of an

education and it is awful that in the uk in 2019, girls are too poor to go to school so hopefully this will make a huge difference. but as well as being rolled out to primary schools, it needs to be enshrined in legislation. this should notjust be a political commitment that the government can make in a one—off and the next government can come in and ta ke the next government can come in and take it away, it needs to be solidified as a law. two girls at your primary miss school because they can't afford sanitary products and they cannot come to school? -- do girls. i would definitely say so but i would not be able to say definitively that is the reason because they would have various excuses, but we are aware that is one of the main reasons why some children would be missing school, the stigma and being ashamed of asking for help and support but not being able to talk about it. and how do we change that, lucy, so it is com pletely do we change that, lucy, so it is completely normal? i mean, i can't imagine being 12, 15, even 22 and wanting to talk about my periods to anybody, do you know what i mean?

but being young and not having the right stuff to help me on my period isa right stuff to help me on my period is a nightmare. yes, we have an open policy that we talk with all our students about periods, there is nothing to be ashamed of, and they know they can go to any member of staff within the school to ask for the red box. we have made it available at different locations and we have ensured they can take whatever they need, an entire pack of pads to last the entire period or if theyjust need one sanitary towel to last the day or for a few hours. where do you provide the free stuff, in the toilets? no, they are in three different places within the school, within reception come up with in another office and in pe. and the girls openly go up to reception and take stuff, they feel 0k about that? reception and take stuff, they feel ok about that? yes, they are absolutely fine with it. they normally say, can i use the box? of course, not a problem. and they take as much as they need. thank you, all. we will see if the goodwill of

the chancellor extends to primary schools, we will see what happens. thank you very much. thank you for your messages about the commons. this e—mail says, last night, we proved we now live under parliamentary dictatorship, we should break the union and allow the countries in the uk to find their own way back to democracy. i was never a supporter of the snp, but i can now see why they want to leave the uk. sus says, this shambles shows the english are not fit for the eu and they are dragging the other nations with them, the union is finished. kevin says, the government could not honour the uk public in two years so what is the point seeking an extension to brexit, the vote was to leave, let's honour it now, even without a deal. rosie says, we should not refund such a bad deal, take it back to the people as voters did not realise how much it would affect their lives and mess up the entire country. and there are many more where they came

from, thank you, do keep them coming one in five of all young people in the uk think they ve been addicted to porn. that s from a new survey by bbc three that has looked at young people s attitudes towards pornography and its effects on relationships. a third say they ve had riskier sex due to pornography, while a quarter say they have felt pressured by a partner to do pornographic stuff. despite that, over half surveyed agreed that taking part in pornography is a good way to make money, and over a quarter would like to do that. bbc three s new documentary series, porn laid bare , follows six people with very different attitudes to pornography as they undertake a journey to explore the ethics of it all in spain s booming sex industry. in spanish: she makes the job seem like, she makes thejob seem like, i want to do it now. she is so beautiful!

i'm surprised at how blinded i am to it, it doesn'tjust seem sexual in the slightest. i don't find it sexy. 0ne the slightest. i don't find it sexy. one thing! the slightest. i don't find it sexy. one thing i have struggled with is how fake porn stars look. seeing lussier here, she is beautiful. being here and watching the end product... meeting a girl and seeing how charismatic and funny she is and how charismatic and funny she is and how beautiful she is in real life, it makes her more sexy, i think. we are going to start the shoot now so make sure you turn off your phones. yes. anyway, let's have a good time. good luck! thank you. 0k. drew wyllie, neelam tailor and nariecejordan all took part. drew... what was your relationship with porn like before you took part in the series? so, before i took part, i think growing up and what is really interesting about this programme is

the fact that myself and my generation have been exposed to porn from such an early age. i started watching pornography when i was 12 or 13 watching pornography when i was 12 or13 andi watching pornography when i was 12 or 13 and i think that's true for many people. on your phone? 0n or 13 and i think that's true for many people. on your phone? on my phone and my laptop, the exposure of pornography for my generation has been quite extreme and i think that that has really played into my own perception of masculinity and how i feel that people view their sexuality. ok. so how do you view it asa sexuality. ok. so how do you view it as a result of watching it as you we re as a result of watching it as you were growing up? growing up, i remember vividly being in a pe changing room at 12 or 13 and really little things like page three being passed around and as a boy growing up, ifelt like passed around and as a boy growing up, ifeltlikei passed around and as a boy growing up, ifelt like i had to have this urge to engage with the sexualised image of a woman with fake breasts. for me, that did not resonate with me. i think pornography, although it allowed me to explore my sexuality, it also meant that i sort of had a

lot of self hatred towards myself and through growing up, i kind of went on a journey of self acceptance and sort of self discovery. so it took me a long time really to ove rco m e took me a long time really to overcome the kind of harsh, rigid forms of masculinity that things like porn put pressure on young boys to go through. neelam, you don't watch pornography any more after you realised it was having physical effects on you? yes, i started watching porn around 12 years old andl watching porn around 12 years old and i watched it most days until about 15, 16. and then when i had my first relationship at 16 and my first relationship at 16 and my first sexual experience, i realise that my physical morale was always affected by the porn that i was watching. kinda by process of elimination, i guess. and i stopped watching porn. i'm going to ask you specifically what you mean, bearing in mind we are on at half past ten in the morning, but the audience know we don't tiptoe around things, if you use the correct terminology,

that would be fine. to let anyone know with kids watching, you may or may not want to listen to the next few minutes! yes, when i was having sex, i could not get wet. during that sex. but i could do watching porn. that is howl that sex. but i could do watching porn. that is how i knew something was wrong. porn. that is how i knew something was wrong. so pornography had to be the triggerfor that? was wrong. so pornography had to be the trigger for that? yes, exactly. ijust thought, the trigger for that? yes, exactly. i just thought, maybe the trigger for that? yes, exactly. ijust thought, maybe i have been desensitised. so as soon as that happened, i stopped watching porn because real—life intimacy was more important to me. and after about three, six months, my body returned back to usual and i haven't touched it since then. so interesting. before the trip, i think you are an aspiring pornography performer, explain what that means. so, it really did appeal to me joining the porn industry. i love sex and porn

empowered me, ifelt. it helped me find my way to say, i deserve to be pleasured and i deserve to say what i want pleasured and i deserve to say what iwant in pleasured and i deserve to say what i want in bed and i don't have to be there to please the other person. so, especially after meeting, there are loads of mothers who are porn actresses. do you mean an actual films that go online, or do you mean aduu films that go online, or do you mean adult web cameras in the bedrooms, what you mean? there is literally so many different types of porn, it is notjust one type. many different types of porn, it is not just one type. and many different types of porn, it is notjust one type. and overall, i was notjust one type. and overall, i was interested in doing lots of stuff from erratic photography down to actual pornography, lots of different things i was interested in. because it seemed at the time like it was really good money. there was like it was really good money. there was lots of mums that are porn stars and able to be a good parent and one

child's —— and one mother's child speaks three languages. you are not saying if you become successful in pornography, your kids will be multilingual! no but she was able to bea multilingual! no but she was able to be a big role model for her child still. i get you. so you went on this trip to spain and you saw the booming sex industry and what is going on, did that change your view? it changed dramatically, especially after seeing certain things. i kinda felt like i was adding to the problem. by watching it. and after seeing... it gave me my voice back after going through things. so it kind of changed me. ok, what do you mean, specifically? what did you see that but you off? women that have beenjerked that but you off? women that have been jerked and trafficked and that but you off? women that have beenjerked and trafficked and been in situation where they decide and they can be none the wiser until

they can be none the wiser until they see it on the screen. and when they see it on the screen. and when they say they want to take it down, they say they want to take it down, they can't because they signed a contract, they were oblivious. they did not know what happened except for the winds they have the next day. do any of you have a positive view about pornography now?” day. do any of you have a positive view about pornography now? i think the biggest thing i have learned, victoria, being part of the show, there is a lot of talk in government about changing the legislation so it is harderfor young about changing the legislation so it is harder for young people about changing the legislation so it is harderfor young people to about changing the legislation so it is harder for young people to view porn, but the biggest thing that needs to change is a serious lack of sex education we have in schools. i remember putting a condom on a cucumber, i don't remember speaking about sexual relations and connections between two people, and for me, that is the most important thing, porn is being used, it is the only way that young people can learn about sex and i feel that if we improve sex education at schools, then porn won't necessarily be used asa then porn won't necessarily be used as a tool for education. so i think that rather than my opinion of pornography being completely bad,

obviously, the industry is by no means perfect or perfect role models for young people, but! means perfect or perfect role models for young people, but i think rather than focusing on changing porn and banning it, ithink than focusing on changing porn and banning it, i think we should really focus on teaching sex education in school. you couldn't ban it, you couldn't legislate. because of the internet. you can search for it, it doesn't matter what legislation any government in any country brought m, government in any country brought in, it would be accessible. yes, i think that porn, there is negative sides to it and the wider society, societal implications of porn is problematic, but i think that porn is still providing an important sexual outlet for a lot of people who don't have that. and it allows people to explore sexual desires and things like that. i don't think porn is inherently a bad thing. it might not be great if you are watching it on your phone at the age of 12. yes, it is to around it, when i was 12, i

felt very ashamed of it as a woman watching porn, iwas felt very ashamed of it as a woman watching porn, i was like, felt very ashamed of it as a woman watching porn, iwas like, girls don't watch porn. that is an issue and if we open up these conversations, we can tackle the issues within it. because it is so close, we can't talk about it. thank you, i'm going to posit, i am sorry, but thank you so much and i cannot wait to see this, it starts and much the 17th? i think that is right, on bbc three. is that today? no, it is the 14th today, but it is out today. it is on the bbc three i player. —— the bbc iplayer. thank you so much. quick correction on the numbers we gave you at the start of the programme, 46 is the number of conservative mps who voted against the government or who abstained. 13 of those were ministers, 12 abstained and one voted against.

that is so much more clear for you, isn't it? let's talk to various people, jason is one of them, a businessman who we have spoken to a number of times before and we have been tina's factory, i know we have, we did a programme from there, he ru ns we did a programme from there, he runs a space and ethnic foods business in the west midlands. kerry is based in hull and wants parliament to decide and get on with it. and we have also got... aaron brown founded fishing for leave and thinks no—deal would have been a godsend for his industry. kerry, what you make of events in the commons last night and where we are now with brexit? welcome yet again, still not much further on our way, we are still not knowing what is going to happen on the 29. assuming we are going to walk out and leave but who knows? we need

a nswe rs and leave but who knows? we need answers and we need them quickly. and leave but who knows? we need answers and we need them quicklym it even a possibility of uk will leave the eu march 29th? who knows? if the people of westminster don't know, how can we be expected to? personally, no, idon't know, how can we be expected to? personally, no, i don't think we will, i think there will be an extension. jason, do you think you could have done a betterjob than in government? well, i think it is a complicated deal to strike, but what we have to understand with the nature of any deal is that there is compromise involved. what has been happening is this total shambles of what has been going on and businesses are not sure what will happen and they are not sure how to necessarily plan going forward, so it is quite a bad situation to be in. quite a bad situation to being, imean, in. quite a bad situation to being, i mean, that like an understatement from your point of you as a businessman trying to get on with things. how is it possible to do anything when you don't know what is going to happen, in 15 days' time whether we are leaving, not leaving,

ha rd whether we are leaving, not leaving, hard brexit, soft brexit, ten —— no—deal? hard brexit, soft brexit, ten —— no-deal? what baffled me, yesterday's vote apparently doesn't hold legal weight anyway so it is either we go with the deal or we get an extension or we fall out with a ha rd an extension or we fall out with a hard brexit. now, how can businesses be expected to plan in any particular way when the government can't plan themselves? aaron, what do you think? hello, good morning. thank you for having me this morning. 0ur thank you for having me this morning. our thoughts are, thank you for having me this morning. 0urthoughts are, it thank you for having me this morning. our thoughts are, it is descending into a completely farcical situation, the government and parliament, this parliament, has effectively collapsed. and the one thing i would say to you and your other two people and to the general public is, we do know what is going to happen on the 29th, that is legislated for and that is the legal base which is we leave the european union with no deal for future

relationships and we revert to wto...iam relationships and we revert to wto... iam not relationships and we revert to wto... i am not sure relationships and we revert to wto. .. i am not sure that will happen, the prime minister is preparing this request for a one—off extension. well, that is what it comes down to, it is what we are into now and what we saw last night is effectively parliamentary temper tantrums. as your other guests alluded to commit the motion last night was not bounding. what has to happen now for mp5 who want to stop brexit, and that is what they want to do and they had to break cover after paying lip service to fulfilling what was the mandate delivered by the people in the referendum, and what we saw last night was effectively a temper tantrum. what they have nowt to do to overturn brexit is to pass legislation to do so. and from reading through various comments here and everywhere, i think the british people are disgusted with their parliamentarians. this text says, we were never going to leave

and we won't. linda says, the people wa nt to and we won't. linda says, the people want to leave, so let's leave, please stop using the term brexit as this does not explain remain or leave. i now want to leave without a deal on the 29. jill says, there is no way we are leaving on march 29th which is good because we are totally unprepared. the only way to sort this mess is a one—off rendering gem in mrs may's deal, no—deal and jermaine. graham —— and remain. kerry, one word to describe how you think politicians have handled this? we have not long until the end of the programme. poorly. jason? it is a shambles and it needs to be fixed,

fast. aaron? which reasonably. is that a word? it is treason the mp5 are committing. it makes is a vassal state of the european union and they are effectively trying to do the same thing with —— to thwart brexit. five seconds to go, that is how we end the programme, treasonably. bbc newsroom is next. good morning, heavy rain and strong winds this morning but a lot of that rain is clearing away. showers in the forecast for the rest of the day. in between, there will be sunny spells just like this scene here. but you can see from the wind gusts, still blustery out there, gusts up

to 14, 50 mph across england and east wales. they will ease off gradually this afternoon but still a blustery afternoon. showers feeding in on that north—westerly wind across northern and western areas. quite cloudy in the south—west of england, south wales, a few spots of rain here and a maximum temperature this afternoon up to nine, 30 degrees. through this evening, we will repeat the process again because more rain is going to move its way in from the west and that rain will spread east and south east. as we go through friday, a lot of the rain will clear away, leaving sunny spells and showers. another blustery day, strong winds, particular, across eastern parts of england, goodbye.

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