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have it covered. see then. -- will have it covered. see then. —— see you then. this is bbc news. the headlines at 11:00pm: the eyes have it — the eyes have it. mps vote to allow themselves to take control of the commons timetable and let them stage a series of indicative votes on alternatives to the prime minister's brexit deal. three ministers resign to vote for the commons talking control of the timetable away from the government. after chairing cabinet, mrs may told mps that approving her deal was still the best way to avoid a no—deal brexit. it is with great regret that i have had to conclude that, as things
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stand, there is still not sufficient support in the house to bring forward the dealfor a support in the house to bring forward the deal for a third meaningful vote. and at ii;30pm, rebecca will be taking an in—depth look at the papers with our reviewers, director of uk in a changing europe anand menon and political correspondent of the financial times laura hughes. stay with us for that. mps have tonight voted to take control of the brexit process. it will mean that there will now be a series of votes in the house of commons on wednesday in a bid to find a way to break the brexit deadlock. three ministers resigned and 30 conservatives voted to defy the party whip and support the amendment, which was proposed by the conservative sir oliver letwin.
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this is the moment the result was announced. the ayes to the right, 329. the noes to the left, 302. the ayes to the right, 329. the noes to the left, 302. so the ayes habit, the ayes habit. unlock. —— ayes have it. the labour leader congratulated mps for the result, saying the debate on solutions to the impasse needed to be widened to include a variety of options. i would like to congratulate the house for taking control. the government's approach has been an abject failure, and this house must now find a solution. so i pay
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tribute to the honourable member for west dorset and the member for leeds central, and others who have worked to achieve tonight's result. mr speaker, the government must take this process seriously. we do not know what the house will decide on wednesday, but i know there are many members of this house who have been working for alternative solutions, and we must debate those to find a consensus. and this house must also consider whether any deal should be put to the people for a confirmatory vote. mr speaker, where this government has failed, this house must, and i believe will, succeed. letsjoin our colleague lets join our colleague chris mason. mps have been filing out of the chamber in the last couple of minutes. business still going on but not as high octane as it has been, a
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dozen mps still in there towards the end of business for the series of votes we have been reporting on the last hour, now coming to a conclusion. we heard from a conservative mp a couple of minutes ago. let's bring in andy mcdonald, leader —— labour mp. good evening to you. your reaction to what has just happened. so parliament taking control of business on wednesday, but i guess the question is can it coalesce around anything that it can agree on, as far as brexit is concerned, as opposed to just rejecting stuff? well, i mean this is momentous, that parliament has wrested control of the process away from the prime minister, who is completely rudderless. she is not even here to respond to points of order and process on this hugely important day, she actually beetles off. let's see what comes out in this process later in the week. we will have these indicative votes and for the first time we will be able to properly tease out whether there isa to properly tease out whether there is a consensus and what that consensus is a consensus and what that consensus looks like. i hope that it is going to coalesce around a credible alternative that we have
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been asking for some months. and in fa ct been asking for some months. and in fact i think there is some appeal across the house about it. you guys talk about being in a customs union. explained to me, what is the difference between the withdrawal agreement, with its backstop, which ultimately is a customs union, and what you guys are advocating? it seems the gap, actually, between the government's plan and your plan is tiny, and yet you have consistently rejected it. well, because it is not just the withdrawal agreement, is it? it is the future relationship. it is that political declaration which sets it out. it is completely nebulous. and this will be just the start of the process. we got years to go. what we're saying is that union should be at the floor of our relationship with the european union, and that will be the right way to go. and this does not resolve matters. there's all sorts of floors the withdrawal agreement itself. it is not a happy document, and that is why it does not meet with the support of the house from across both wings of the house of commons.
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even though, if it was passed, and i get it is not popular because it has been thumping the rejected twice, if the uk was legally outside of the european union, who knows might happen after that, there might be a general election and you guys could be in power, your long—term vision for brexit could still be delivered and it would deliver on the referendum. what it would do is fetter our ability to look after our public services in the way that we would wish to, because embedded within that the withdrawal agreement isa within that the withdrawal agreement is a marketisation of our public services, which emboldens the competition and markets authority and prevents us from doing a whole range of things. so it is unsatisfactory for that reason. but evenif unsatisfactory for that reason. but even if it was the greatest agreement in the world, which it is far from, we would still not resolve our future relationship. and so we would be back at this parliament
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with the same people, with the same divisions, and the same urgency to keep the tory party together. and that cannot be how we run our business with the european union in the future. last thought, we saw hundreds of thousands of people on the streets of london at the weekend. your deputy leader was amongst them, but your leader wasn't. where are you guys on another wreck referendum ? wasn't. where are you guys on another wreck referendum? well, as you heard, jeremy said right now when we find a consensus, it should be put to confirm entry vote of the public. so i don't know how much more clear we can be about that. that should absolutely now that, and thatis that should absolutely now that, and that is exactly where we are tonight, and that has been announced by our leader tonight, and that has been announced by ourleader in tonight, and that has been announced by our leader in the chamber this evening. cheers for your time, andy mcdonald, the shadow akrotiri. so the commons will be wrapping up for the commons will be wrapping up for the night, christian, relatively soon, and then we look forward to this day on wednesday when there is an attempt which may or may not come, of mps trying to coalesce around an idea that may offer an alternative vision for brexit than the one that has been rejected, what, twice now i mps that the government has been putting forward —— shadow secretary.
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government has been putting forward -- shadow secretary. tristian, are you putting your name to the idea this will be a decisive day, wednesday? today? i have given up trying to label days of being decisive, for fear that either the next one is more exciting, for the next one is more exciting, for the next one is more exciting, for the next one unravels what happened on the day before. a bank of superlatives, christian, has been exhausted. i will take your name off that one, then. joe rutter is just the right person to go through what this really means. this amendment appends the balance between our democratic institutions and sets a dangerous, unpredictable precedent. bill cash is saying it is a constitutional revolution. is it? well, the commons can control its business. usually the government does that because usually the government has a majority, and as people have said, usually of the government is trying to get something through and it gets rejected by the commons, it doesn't keep on trying to do it. it gives up and tries another way. the problem with brexit is that it can't do
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that, because it is on a mission to sort this out, and it has got the externally imposed deadlines now from the european commission, the european council, that we have to make some sort of decision by 12 april to do that. so the government doesn't have really that option. so it is... breaking precedent, yes, not usual for it is... breaking precedent, yes, not usualfor government it is... breaking precedent, yes, not usual for government to lose control in this way, but the commons can control its business. it is just usually that the government can dominate that, and therefore get its way, which is why this is obviously therefore very uncomfortable for government, it likes to be in control. the phrase we're going to hear a lot about in the next few daysis hear a lot about in the next few days is vote. how do indicative votes work? how are we going to manage this? that is what we are not com pletely manage this? that is what we are not completely clear on yet. there are different ways. when the government has done them before, the government did them before and the 2000s on house of lords reform. it offered mpsa house of lords reform. it offered mps a series of different propositions and just said vote for the propositions you like. and what happened was mps voted on those propositions and none got a majority. so that might tell us something, it wouldn't necessarily
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be very helpful where we are now. 0ther be very helpful where we are now. other people have suggested different things, so there was an amendment that ken clarke put forward back in february to one of the many motions that we have had on brexit that he suggested that mps should all be given a ballot paper and should go away and mark their preferences, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six, and it would bea three, four, five, six, and it would be a secret ballot while they did it, so they didn't know, would be able to game how are other options doing, and things like that, in would count the votes and then you would count the votes and then you would publish how everyone voted. so another way of doing it. you could imagine possibly doing something where you test opinion and then take some options off and then see what's left. because really you need to get toa left. because really you need to get to a solution. having loads in play doesn't solve this problem. 20 for them to discuss tomorrow ahead of those votes. thank you for being with us this evening. you are watching bbc news. let's go back to
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the lobby, chris mason is getting reaction. dominic grieve has been very outspoken about this. your reaction to what happened tonight?” am pleased about what happened tonight, i was a supporter and signatory of the letwing amendment andi signatory of the letwing amendment and i am pleased it has gone through. of course it is not a pa na cea , through. of course it is not a panacea, it is not going to solve every problem. wednesday may well be quite a difficult day in terms of trying to identify how we proceed and do things properly, but at least we are making some progress. frankly up we are making some progress. frankly up until now we have been going nowhere, just round and round in circles. this is the first time that we have started to move forward again, andi we have started to move forward again, and i hope that it is going to work to start identifying where the majority lies for proposals, and to enable us to start to express an opinion on things other than the government's deal. how would you like to see the mechanics of wednesday happen? i know this is quite complicated, but it matters, doesn't it, in terms of potentially the voting system that is used, or whether or not all of the options
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are voted on at the same time, as opposed to them being a sequence?” think the mechanics have got to try to deliver a process by which people feel that they don't have to play games with the system, so that they can games with the system, so that they ca n vote games with the system, so that they can vote on options, multiple options. they don't have to vote for one and not for another, just to express their opinion of what would be acceptable to them. and that cove rs be acceptable to them. and that covers the substantive possibilities, whether it is a norway relationship or a customs union or anything else. and it also cove rs union or anything else. and it also covers the process issue, which for me is very important, whichever of these might be preferable, which is that we go back to the public and put this to the public in a public vote, i people's vote. because my opinion is we are now so far away from what was being debated in 2016, i would not be happy with pushing any of these through without them being approved by the public as an alternative for remain. but provided we can do all of that, then obviously we can progress things.
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you obviously spend your professional life loitering in these corridors and speaking to members across the house. where do you detect there might be a majority for something? what could this parliament, broken and split and hungin parliament, broken and split and hung in balance as it is, potentially coalesce around ?” hung in balance as it is, potentially coalesce around? i think there are number of possibilities. there is talk of a softer form of brexit than the one that the prime minister has negotiated, one that keeps us more embedded with the eu. of course, there are downsides to that, and some of my colleagues won't like it. but i get the impression there may be more collea g u es impression there may be more colleagues who want a softer brexit than what the prime minister has negotiated. and then there is the question of a people's vote, a referendum. the more we move away from what i think were the abstract ideas of 2016, the more necessary for me that we should go back and ask people. but as i say, that as well, there are divided opinions. some of my colleagues are very
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unhappy about having another referendum. i personally think it is essential, but again, i can't force my will against the majority of the house, and we willjust have to see how that pans out. as i say, i don't think people should expect an answer on wednesday. i think we're going to need more days. the tragedy of all of this is that we have taken 2.5 yea rs, of this is that we have taken 2.5 years, and resolutely been prevented from having this sort of debate. we appreciate your time, thank you. dominic reeve, the conservative mp, fleshing out the question in all of this, which is that wednesday will mark the start of this process, rather than the end —— dominic grieve. doing so against the clock having a brexit could happen within just a handful of weeks. and of course, that was the plan in brussels on thursday night, what they wanted to do was create the space, a three—week period for parliament to get to grips with this and indicate what it was in support of. the european commission
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has warned there's an increasing likelihood that the uk will leave the eu without a deal on 12 april. let's get more on this from our europe correspondent gavin lee. today they say they are ready. harrington every few months we have had bits and pieces. the main new bits of information that we have got after people going into europe in the event of a no deal, a visa for up the event of a no deal, a visa for up to 90 days. if you are a tourist you will have to go to a different line for airports and ferries and a nswer line for airports and ferries and answer new questions and have your passport stamped. for 90 days and having no more than that. the question is, can you vote for yourself? have you got enough money, where are you staying? more invasive than the simplicity so far. pets,
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vaccinations, roaming charges. the day there was no deal and the top line if they do see now as a result of what happened in the last few daysis of what happened in the last few days is just struggling with any momentum theresa may. in the past few minutes, on the back of what we're seeing, the parliament getting a sense of control on wednesday, you might geta a sense of control on wednesday, you might get a sense perhaps not, on which way indicative votes will go. a senior officialjust told me that if we get a sense of convergence from mps that we have not had before, maybe it breaks the deadlock. a former prime minister on rapidfire twitter. downhill, downhill tonight, where does this
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end? i doubt that anymore will until the morning. people have been asking me where the new deadline will be — the 12th of april or the 22nd of may. if they did not find a consensus on wednesday and we were still in this paralysis come at the end of next week, do you see the european union sing the 12th as the date? possibly yes. unofficially it is the date they still wanted to give because they do not want this to keep sliding away. i spoke to emmanuel macron on friday, the french president and to what extent is that the blame game going on and from the eu side they do not want to seem from the eu side they do not want to seem to be bullying the uk but at the same time they cannot keep
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extending this. if there is no deal 18 days from now but both the president of the european commission and council are away for those two daysin and council are away for those two days in canada. they see the 12th of april as the key day. all of a sudden you start to ebb away at the days. we are told, if there is absolute panic and for whatever reason they kickstart a longer extension, the eu are looking at whether it is a referendum, the norway answer, that is the sense they would give for long extension. gavin lee in europe. theresa may making the point today that the votes on wednesday are not binding.
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they have to be negotiable as well and if it takes longer to negotiate, there will have to be a debate in there will have to be a debate in the uk taken part in the european elections. plenty more reactions coming up. back to rebecca in the studio. i will update you now with the headlines: mps vote to allow themselves to take control of the commons timetable and let them stage a series of "indicative votes" on alternatives to the prime minister's brexit deal. three ministers resign to vote for the commons talking control of the timetable away from the government after chairing cabinet mrs may told mps that approving her deal was still the best way to avoid a no—deal brexit. a woman in charge of a primary school in birmingham has said she won't resign following protests by some parents about lessons on relationships including
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the teaching of lgbt equality. five schools in the city have now stopped using the ‘no 0utsiders‘ programme which is used by hundreds of schools in england. last week we questioned some of the parents who object to the lessons today our correspondent sima kotecha talked to the chief executive in charge of the school. it's been going on for ten weeks now, parkfield school under pressure to scrap the controversial ‘no 0utsiders‘ programme. hundreds of parents, many of muslim faith, don't want their children to be taught about same—sex couples. now, for the first time, the woman in charge of the school has publicly spoken about her views. what parents tell their children at home, it's up to them. there are some fantastic families round here, whatever way they want to bring their children up is fine. but in school, they need to be
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educated to the law of the land and at home they can follow their religion and that's fine, the two sit together. so here we have ‘mama, mummy and me' and this is a lovely board book of cartoons... no 0utsiders has temporarily been suspended by the school. it involves teaching children about same—sex relationships through cartoon characters in story books. but some people believe homosexuality to be morally wrong. weekly protests here continue. the impact on the staff has been tremendous. people have said they‘ re losing weight, some of them said they can't sleep. some of them have been shaking when they've come to school. there are some parents who are convinced that you are islamophobic, what would you say to those parents? not at all. why would i come here and work in this school? i chose this school when i moved over from leicester. it was an amazing school. it's very clear from the parents i have spoken to that
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they want you gone, that they don't trust you, they don't feel that you are able to control the school. it isn't the time for a change of leadership at all. there's so much i know about the way no 0utsiders is introduced. there's so much trust i have within colleagues and i still feel, out there in the community. later this week, parkfield has its first meeting with the government and the parents with the hope they can find a way forward. sima kotecha, bbc news, birmingham. almost a thousand people contracted measles in england last year, the highly infectious viral illness that can sometimes lead to serious health complications. many of them were children. meanwhile the number of parents giving their children the mmr vaccine continues to fall. england's most senior doctor is linking a lot of it to misinformation circulated on social media. professor dame sally davies says the nhs must take a more modern approach to fighting fake information. 0ur health correspondent catherine burns has the story.
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the 20th century was called the golden age of immunisation. but then, as now, parents were exposed to anti—vaxxing messages. there was such a lot of talk in the papers about the danger of it, you know? i want other people to see how it goes before i give my child to be a guinea pig. what has changed, though, is where parents see this kind of material. recently, the royal society for public health warned that social media is helping to spread misleading and dangerous information about vaccines further and faster than ever before. public health officials are trying to get their message heard too often with leaflets like this explaining the benefits of vaccination. a recent public health england strategy report mentioned social media just twice. now, though, professional bodies representing gps and paediatricians are calling for a fresh approach to cut through fake news about vaccines online.
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some fears about the mmr vaccine date back to 1998 when a doctor called andrew wakefield linked it wrongly with autism. that view has been completely discredited. but 21 years on, the impact continues. the number of parents getting their children vaccinated has dropped. health officials say we need 95% to have the mmr vaccine to protect the public. but at 87%, rates in england are well below that target. meanwhile, there has been a 30% spike in measles around the world. last year, there were almost 1,000 cases in england. we've got to start making sure we're out there. if people listen to celebrities, maybe we're going to have to work with celebrities, because many of them get the science too. so, i think we are going to have to look at how we communicate and see if we can be a bit more modern. there are examples of good science on social media.
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measles is one of the most infectious illnesses... and sites like youtube and facebook say they are trying to reduce the ranking of false information about vaccines. that was me about a month before i caught measles. jane stanton has retired early because of health problems. they started 30 years ago when she got the measles. it left her with scar tissue on her brain and she's had epilepsy ever since. 18 months ago, i ended up in three orfour induced comas. one for over a week. the measles has made my life hell, really. and i'd hate anyone else to go through that. just for a simple injection. but others are going through it. the world health organization has named vaccine hesitancy as one of the greatest global threats of the year. catherine burns, bbc news. the israeli armed forces have
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launched air strikes across the gaza strip this evening they say it's in retaliation for a rocket attack early on monday. it came as prime minister benjamin netanyahu was in washington meeting president trump. the rocket hit a village near tel aviv injuring several people. tonight the united nations warned against escalating violence as israel said it had destroyed the offices of the hamas leader ismail haniyeh. from jerusalem our correspondent yolande knell reports. another nerve—racking night in gaza. israel's military says it's targeting the sites of hamas, the militant group which runs the strip. here, its leader's office was hit as missiles were fired at israel. i just want to say bibi it's an honour to have
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you at the oval office, thank you. thank you. meanwhile in washington, isreal‘s prime minister, fighting a tough election campaign, had wanted to show he's an unrivalled statesman. in a day of history, we have never had a greater friend than president trump. mr netanyahu has now had to cut his trip short and hurry home. this is why. a house in central israel destroyed by a rocket fired from gaza early this morning. little children were among those injured. robert wolf, their grandfather, is originally from the uk. this is the real price and ijust paid it and i nearly lost my family. and if we hadn't have got to the bomb shelter in time, i would now be burying all my family. there was already fear of rising tension this week coming up to the anniversary of protests here along gaza's boundary fence. tonight, egypt, often a go—between for israel and hamas, has been frantically trying to broker a ceasefire and avert
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a wider conflict. yolande knell, bbc news, jerusalem. the technology giant apple has unveiled its own tv and film subscription service as it tries to boost profits after flagging sales of its iphone. already signed up with commissioned programming are stars such as steven spielberg, oprah winfrey and jennifer aniston. but apple faces tough competition from the likes of netflix who already have more than 130 million subscribers globally. 0ur media editor amol rajan reports. wa nt want me to help you find your opening. like the big bang it explodes. thank you guys, this is so exciting. the $900 billion company announced resources in use, credit ca rd announced resources in use, credit card and games but the biggest draw was a beefed up tv programme called
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apple tv plus. it will launch later this year in many countries. apple is making a bold play in a new attention economy. more for our ears, attention economy. more for our ea rs , eyes attention economy. more for our ears, eyes and minds is raging. —— a war. if you're watching this, i am not around anymore but do not spiral... netflix has said it will not put any of its shows on the apple service. but others have pulled out of netflix.” apple service. but others have pulled out of netflix. i do not want to give you an opportunity... the brains behind one of the biggest shows this year says there has never been a better time to be a producer. the algorithms that sit behind the services is that whereas the linear
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broadcasters tend to approach a niche demographic, the streamed services can work out exactly what audiences the programme will fit onceit audiences the programme will fit once it is delivered. a great wave of consolidation is sweeping across the media as the creators of content are getting together with the distributors. rather than by a content com pa ny distributors. rather than by a content company outright, apple are big enough and brave enough to have agoat big enough and brave enough to have a go at content themselves. for punters that is great but for traditional broadcasters, the fact that even rupert murdoch thinks he is too small, is notjust ominous but terrifying. with its iphone business slowing down, apple is expanding its horizon beyond hardware to hollywood.
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