simone was 19 when she had a baby to the man she was forced to marry. the long—term damage of her breast ironing became apparent. hello. it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. who's in charge of brexit? mps have decided they are — they've voted to take control of the process. and tomorrow they'll start to vote on options for the future of brexit. but the government says they might ignore parliament anyway the home office says breast the only way to deliver on a brexit ironing is child abuse and should be prosecuted under that's ready and can allow us to get on with it is to vote general assault laws. for the prime minister's deal. and if teachers have concerns, three ministers resigned they have a duty to report a girl from government last night to vote at risk of significant harm, against theresa may. one of them — richard but how can a teacher report harrington — is with us. he says the pm is "playing russion roulette with the lives when breast ironing isn't part of sex education or even a mandatory of british people". part of their training? do you back mps who are now i did safeguarding training a year in control of this? let me know today. ago and the lady there had a sixth former who'd put her hand up awareness of breast ironing — when they were talking about it in the subject, ironing a girl's chest with hot objects to delay her breasts and said she had it done from growing — should but she didn't know it was abuse. be taught in schools, the largest teaching union she didn't know it in the country has told this

was something wrong. programme exclusively. at that time i must've hundreds of girls of west african origin are thought to have been been about 14, 15. i always hide myself, subjected to it here in britain. but pe you can't hide yourself. if you've got pe, you can't hide the amount of times i used yourself because someone decided to mutilate my body. to try and get out of pe. we are not even allowed to cry out. that was when i noticed their breasts are different to mine. it's like you have brought shame to your family. if my pe teacher had known you are not strong enough. back then, they would have noticed something. we can educate young girls that this is not normal. if i had had help then, it's abuse. i would have been able to deal with it, growing up. a former education secretary but now that i'm a full—grown adult tells us teachers must learn to spot the signs. and i'm now finding out these are the reasons i'm going through this is england players condemn the racist because someone decided abuse chanted at them during last night's euro 2020 qualifier in montenegro. to mutilate my body. it's a real sad thing to hear. i didn't hear it personally but my team—mate danny heard it. the first thing has to be so, it's a sad thing to hear. about education of teachers, people working with young women, to make sure that they realise and, coroners may be given new powers to investigate stillbirths. that this is a thing and it's happening here in the uk ryan and amyjackson‘s daughter and that they should be talking lily mae died before she was born — about it and prepared to listen they say it would have helped to have clearer answers to understand what's

about why she died. going on and to then advise the young person what action they need to take. we know it's still very harmful to children and will impact on them. the pe staff might notice something. we would want those staff to feel empowered, to know what to look for, hello. and also to know the routes to make welcome to the programme. sure that the safeguarding we're live until 11 this morning. procedures are put in place. later on we'll be talking to three people who've lost thousands of pounds — there is a real sensitivity amongst their life savings in some cases — staff about how we perceive, after the collapse of the investment how we look at children, and i think there's a fear in staff firm london capital finance. of them being prosecuted if they notice something irregular going on. the bbc‘s money box programme has learnt that it could take two years so we know what about looking out before they get even a tiny percentage of their money back. for the signs and indicators. were you someone who had some even with the new legislation coming in, you still culturally have savings with this firm? parents who will flatly refuse get in touch. for their children to take part in any kind of phse, first annita mcveigh has the news. as far as they are concerned, and unfortunately they are the children sometimes most at risk. mps have voted to take control of i have been fighting here in the uk and internationally the parliamentary timetable to try

to find a majority for any brexit for fgm, for over 34 years. i don't want to see our african option. the government was defeated ona option. the government was defeated on a cross—party plan to find out women and girls wait 34 years. what kind of deal a majority of mps we can educate young girls would support. 30 conservative mps that this is not normal. voted against the government, it's abuse. including three ministers who resigned. steve brine explains why he rebelled. these are extraordinary thanks for your messages. times in the country are tucking its biggest constitutional crisis since 0ne facebook user says, we are stuck in a never—ending merry "they did this to me, they used a wooden spoon go round doing the same thing and to beat me on my breast for days to stop my breast from growing too expecting answers. something has got to change. people who voted leave in large, i wish they didn t do that to me." another says: "it was done to me as well. the 2016 referendum have become every night before bed, my breasts deeply critical of the government's are massaged with a hot towel because i developed quite early. it was a painful experience, that management of the brexit i will not wish on anyone else." negotiations. new research showed let's speak to sharon raymond, a gp who specialises in safeguarding issues. and sarian karim—kamara, that as many as 80% think the negotiations have been handled badly. that figure is almost as high who is a victim of breast ironing. as it is among remain voters, who had previously been more critical.

the london speedboat killerjack thank you both for coming on the shepherd has consented to programme. this happened to you when extradition to the uk. he was you were younger at your family home convicted of manslaughter by gross in sierra leone. how old were you, negligence of charlotte brown but fled to georgia in march before his he was doing it and what happened?” trial started. his defence lawyer said although they disagree with the was 12 when it happened. i had already been through fgm at age 11. case, his client consents to extradition and wants to take part this was done to me by my aunt but in his appeal the uk. the national my mum was there, my grandmother was education union says that breast there. it simply because my breasts ironing awareness should be made we re there. it simply because my breasts were too big and i was growing pa rt ironing awareness should be made part of the mandatory school breasts more than my older sisters. curriculum to protect young girls. so they have to try to destroy the the practice involves ironing a girl's chest to delay breasts from growing so she doesn't attract male tissue. this would do? they beat my attention. the home office say teachers have a duty to report concerns. raheem sterling condemned the unacceptable racist abuse of breast with a wooden spoon. it's a england players during their 5—1 win special spoon we use to cook and in montenegro last night. danny rose had racist chanting directed at him

dish, there is a belief in my culture that if you hit that on a during the qualifier. gareth man ‘s private parts it will destroy southgate said the incidents will be his manhood. the belief that it will reported to european football's do the same if you want to with governing body uefa. the health secretary matt hancock told the bbc social media companies could be a girl is growing breasts too early, required to remove content which the word is like send it back. they promotes misinformation about vaccines. nhs leaders are concerned put the spoon into a fire. until it about campaigns against vaccinations is very hot and that is when they including measles, mumps and build massage, hitting the tissue. rubella. the uptake has been falling massage it, it's very painful. can in england and last year there were more than 80,000 measles cases in you describe that pain? to be europe, the highest in a decade. honest, i just know you describe that pain? to be honest, ijust know it's very painful and it goes on for days. coroners in england and wales may be yes. you know when you start to grow given new powers to investigate stillbirths so that each baby's a breast, even if you bump into death is independently assessed. the government is consulting on the move to help bereaved parents gain something it's painful. imagine someone hitting that and massaging a nswe i’s to help bereaved parents gain answers on what went wrong and why, it with the intention to destroy for and to help prevent more baby deaths. nine babies are stillborn this building up inside. are you every day, that's one in every 225 also burned? no, iwasn't. you this building up inside. are you

births although rates have been also burned? no, i wasn't. you could see that with people who use iron falling. ex poachers are being asked stones. it's not visible. in my breast. you know? let me bring in to protect snow leopards in russia. conservationists estimate there are sharon. this is going on in this only 4000 left in the wild and country, clearly. we have seen the film. what awareness do we need in hunting them is banned worldwide, but over the last 30 years poachers schools and in gp surgeries to help in russia almost wiped out the population. their knowledge of the stop this child abuse?” animals has now been reclaimed to schools and in gp surgeries to help stop this child abuse? i think it's monitor snow leopard populations. really important for us to have that is a summary of some of the main stories today. back to victoria. good morning. regard to raising awareness about who's in charge of brexit? who's in charge of this very serious form of abuse. running the country? against women and girls. i think a late last night mps voted to take control of brexit lot of work has been done to draw parallels with female genital as the prime minister was forced mutilation, so much work being done to admit she still doesn't to raise awareness, to incorporate have the votes she needs fgm into safeguarding for health ca re fgm into safeguarding for health to pass her own deal. care professionals and professionals within education but it also remember her deal has been voted down twice already. includes not the mandatory side, but mps will now hold a series of votes it includes having regard to tomorrow on different options for how to move forward with the brexit process. educating pupils, educating students 30 tory mps voted against their own government, including three junior ministers who resigned

so educating pupils, educating students so they know this is wrong. fgm is a from their posts. the cabinet is meeting right now specific criminal offence and it has been since the 805, we've only had to discuss a way foward. the first conviction in the last few week5. should this specifically be so do you back mps the first conviction in the last few weeks. should this specifically be a criminal offence? i'll be honest, as they seize control? particularly when the pm has already said she could ignore whatever i'm troubled by the fact we know the commons votes for? this is going on, ok we don't have richard harrington was a business minister until last night. that much awareness in this country he resigned so he could vote and further afield. we know the against his government numbers in cameroon, may be one in and for mps to take control four women have been victims of this type of abuse. i think it is of the brexit process. absolutely a key to actually have a law that specifically addresses good morning. are you in charge now? breast ironing in the same way that yes, a law came in in 1985 against fgm and that was tightened in 2003. i'm personally not in charge of 0k, we've only had the first anything, i'm not even in charge of conviction but in the time those this interview as i'm sure you're laws had been in place, obviously it has raised awareness and it has made about to prove! in all seriousness, mps have done the right thing which is to take control. a lot of us people very mindful of not breaking the law because those laws are in feel, and all of the ministers who place and you can go to jail up to 14 years if you perform fgm. do you both agree with the former education resign support the prime minister secretary nicky morgan who says

and her deal including myself, but teachers need to have training, pe teachers need to have training, pe teachers in particular in order to we all felt we were going nowhere potentially spot the signs of this, with this endless alternative of her deal or no deal stoplights are you aren't hundreds your colleagues are as girls are getting change? now in charge of brexit. -- so you definitely. the pe teachers will be the best, you know, people in that position until i dry to spot things and hundreds of your colleagues are now in charge of brexit. parliament because they will be with children, has to come up with a consensus, you know, they take off their which it has never had the chance to uniforms, they have a vest on, you do so. say you are in charge. could see there's two aspects, parliament is democratically isn't there, within education? it's elected. each mp represents an area educating teachers that they are aware the abuse goes on and they can of the country and they have to do talk about it, we have relationships their best to represent the views of their best to represent the views of their constituents, and it's not education coming in next year, fgm will be compulsory taught within easy. who do you and your fellow mps schools and i think breast ironing think you are? elected members of parliament. now apparently running should also be incorporated into the brexit process. the fact is, we wa nt to the brexit process. the fact is, we want to be in a position so that the prime minister can say to people in the eu, who have had very legitimate

concerns that they don't know what that come into lessons. let me put the british parliament thinks. they know what it's against but they don't know what it is in favour of. this to you, it's pertinent. christine says i work as a health this is calling parliament's bluff visitor in the west midlands. we and saying show some responsibility, knew about this back in 2011 when i discuss this and decide what you're came across my first case. it seems actually in favour of because the it's still being swept under the carpet because it's culturally sensitive. in the case i was government position which is the involved with there was no prime ministers deal or no deal prosecution but it did result in safeguarding procedures and a case hasn't reached anything that can review. there are people too pass and i think that's worried, are people in authority to unreasonable. you said after he read to get involved because they may be accused of being racist, culturally insensitive? again, the resigned that mrs may was playing same issues with fgm, when you think about it, 20—30 years ago. for me, russian roulette with their lives and livelihoods of the british at this point, i think we need education for the entire community. public, what did you mean? the entire nation. it doesn't matter whether they are from practising and livelihoods of the british communities are not because you public, what did you mean7|j don't know who will protect a girl and livelihoods of the british public, what did you mean? i didn't say russian roulette, i said from getting breast ironing. it's a roulette meaning she isjust bad experience, it is dangerous for say russian roulette, i said roulette meaning she is just giving two alternatives, neither of which their health, you know, some women are acceptable to the majority of are not comfortable taking off their mps. there's been no proper clothes in front of other women. discussion about alternatives, no chance for mps to decide on because of those reasons. finally, another viewer on twitter it says anything, whether they are in favour how can your own parents abuse you in this way? it's not abuse in their of the deal which of course i am because i think it's a brilliant eyes. they believe they are doing the best thing for you to protect you. this is why we need to educate

compromise to take into the people that do this practice.” consideration leaving the eu but think it's seen as an act of love in removing us having to pay a lot of the same way fgm is seen as an act money for having no control, or no of love, it's a hidden scar, that's deal which i think would be an utter why it's important to bring the disaster, which no self—respecting conversation into the open, educate mp should be part of let alone the professionals and children to know government. you will have heard theresa may say yesterday, unless that it professionals and children to know thatitis professionals and children to know that it is wrong. communities that practice it do not know it is abuse, they do not know it is best are this house agrees to it, no deal will not happen. well, she said that earning. we know it like, it's like dry to protect this girl from, you at the end of her statement but she know, the girl not to be true made it contradictory statement at attractive at a young age. thank you the beginning. she should stay as leader, which we've asked her to do bill, thank you so much for coming many times, to completely rule out on, we really appreciated. thank no deal and to say that she won't you. the bbc‘s moneybox programme have anything to do with it because on radio 4 has been told of the disaster it will cause. do that the 11,605 investors who put money into the investment firm london capital finance might now you trust her? i trust her integrity face a two year wait before getting just a small percentage what concerns me... but not as prime of their money back. a total of £236 million minister? what concerns me is that was invested into the firm there are so many different by people who mostly thought they were putting their money into safe, fixed rate isas. influences on her, within the conservative party let alone outside of it. there is a group of members but, the money was actually

going into so—called mini—bonds of it. there is a group of members of parliament on sunday afternoon he went to see her at chequers who will which are high risk investments. do anything to bring her down. she the company collapsed injanuary has to listen to these people. she following an investigation by the financial conduct authority into misleading advertising, and the serious fraud office now has to listen to these people. she has to listen to these people. she has to accept now, as we've asked says it's arrested four people her to do, to accept there is no in connection with the case. conservative party only solution to this. it has to be a parliamentary solution and i don't understand why we can speak now thatis solution and i don't understand why that is anything other than democratic. i'm going to bring in a to julianna lancaster viewer or two in a moment but ijust who lost her life savings — wa nt to viewer or two in a moment but ijust want to briefly talk this through. over £100,000 — her retirement pot; in burnley is amanda cunningham let's say mps themselves managed to who lost thousands in savings that actually agree on one thing through she d set aside for her son; this series of votes, and then the christine anderson in plymouth prime minister doesn't implement it, who also lost a substantial sum of money, and finbar 0 conell one then what? she will be in an of the administrators impossible position. i think she of london capital finance who 5 will implement it... but if she trying to find ways for investors doesn't, what would you do then? i'm to get as much of their money back. dodging the question is a typical politician does because i actually so what went wrong? people put huge don't know the answer to that.

amounts of money, often their life knowing theresa may as i do, i savings into what they thought was a cannot accept that she will suddenly protected bond. it had regulated i say parliament, you've come up with set status and determines that the a clear and consistent view and i'm people behind it were not intending not going to bring it to the eu. you've just told me that... sorry to to invest their money wisely and help them to get it back, let alone interrupt. you've just told you've just told me that... sorry to interrupt. you'vejust told me you've just told me that... sorry to interrupt. you've just told me you don't really trust her as prime the interest. where has the money minister because she is in hock to gone? 25% of it went to a company the hardline brexiteers. now you're telling me you don't know what you called serge which is the take on would do if parliament agreed on a company which effectively assured majority option for brexit, you don't know what would happen, you're the bondholders into london capital just hoping she would do whatever you wanted. she said she might finance, and lcf then lent the money out, supposedly going to a number of ignore you. i asked her this small and medium—sized enterprise question yesterday, and by the way it's not right to say i don't trust borrowers. it was accepted they her as pm. is the influences on how would repay 100% of the money. i mentioned, which is true of any effectively ended the 25% which had politician. people could start already gone. but briefly coming to me and saying you're doing only two of those are independent absolutely wrong, and i would listen entities, the rest were leaked into to the people that speak to me. i a core group of people and those

don't think that's unusual. the real monies are gone, they passed through the entities and myjob is to try to issue is, will she do what recover it. juliana, do you have parliament has cut to do? i believe lost over £100,000. we have saved the reason that she answered the question is that she couldn't guarantee that is because if your entire life, that was your parliament was as mad as some people retirement pot. tell our audience say they are, by the way i think how you cope with that? well, parliament is really quite sensible, firstly it was a shock. i went into i could just imagine theoretically there could be an alternative which she would find totally unacceptable to ta ke total shock mode, i tried to ignore she would find totally unacceptable to take to the eu. i'm sure that she it, i didn't do anything. then i would resign rather than do that. i waited for a bit, then i wrote to my don't think that's going to happen, mp nicky morgan. i started at the i believe parliament will vote for a reasonable compromise, if not the top. and now, two months later, i'm prime minister's deal then some variation of it which allows us to leave the eu but allows business, in bereavement. that's the only thing. the only way i can describe jobs and the economy to continue without this dreadful crashing out the feeling. i am trying not to which some people pretend is think about it, i have written it off. fine. iget acceptable. it isn't. let say she does do what you want, does she then think about it, i have written it off. fine. i get on with life. in go back to the eu and ask for a fa ct, off. fine. i get on with life. in fact, in the month in between i've

started a new business, i am hoping longer extension and start the whole to start a new business, just to negotiating process again?|j longer extension and start the whole negotiating process again? i think the eu have said in the past that provide for my future. but when someone mentions it, like today, you they will look at any, i think they are asking me how i feel, the amount call it off the shelf, any of the of money, ijust are asking me how i feel, the amount of money, i just feel sick are asking me how i feel, the amount of money, ijust feel sick in my existing arrangements. for example, stomach. let me bring in christine. it already has efta arrangements in new to lost a substantial sum of money, i don't know if it was over place. customs union, which i'm sure would be quite simple to do. i think £100,000 like juliana but to come up with something not even money, i don't know if it was over £100,000 likejuliana but how is this affecting you? luckily i did not put all of my batch of eggs into one basket so it's not quite as contemplated up to now would involve devastating for me as it was for a lengthy extension, but i hope that juliana. i was looking to move my convention in low yield ice into an won't be the case and i hope we can innovative finance isa. and i doa won't be the case and i hope we can do a deal really quickly and we can leave the eu but at the same time not damaging jobs, the economy and believed as the fca work regulating the advertising that everything i everything which is my main concern. read was true. so yes, it was a there is a possibility theresa may horrific shock to find out it wasn't could say let's have a snap general election, that could be her only even an isa. amanda, what about

yourself? i was trying to save for route. do you really want a general election with theresa may leading? my son because my future, he has i've no problem with theresa may leading us on the campaign trail, by the way. the question is, until this autism. basically, they weren't is solved, what would labour campaign on, but with the doing anything in a deposit account. loss of sound ...i conservatives campaign on? there's genuinely different opinions within those parties. that's why i think it's better dealt with separately. doing anything in a deposit account. loss of sound i found an 80% i if there was a general election said. basically it went from there. people wouldn't know if it was a referendum or whether it was to do i wanted to get a little bit more with health, education and the income on that money. you know, so it would grow. how much do you think economy. i don't think a general election is the solution to it. lydia carter is in royston. do you you've lost, do you know? well, the support mps and what they've done to thing is, the administrators say we ta ke are only going to get minimum, support mps and what they've done to take control of the brexit process? i find it incredibly difficult to maximum, 20% back, it could even be understand that they are just less. to be quite honest, it's more willing to go round and round in circles with all the options that or less all of it, to be honest. you they want to continue to table. the know, it's not going to be much

more options you have to put to the table, the more confusion there will left. which is how much, amanda? i be. and there is never going to be a mean, for me, i'm not willing to say result. this could take a lifetime on here, it's basically it's a life to solve. it's got to stop. they changing amount that i've lost, that said that they would take us out of i would lose. can ijust say? the eu, we employ them to do so and changing amount that i've lost, that iwould lose. can ijust say? i didn't put all my eggs in one basket the eu, we employ them to do so and the majority of the mps don't want either. initially. iwas to leave. it'sjust ridiculous! do didn't put all my eggs in one basket either. initially. i was very cautious and i first started with talk to lydia. lydia, i accept your point about going round and round £5,000 many bond which i knew was and one of the reasons i want parliament to decide this because not a nice and i took this risk with we've been going round and round the that. and the reason i took the risk was because the lcf said they are circle where the only two options have been either to have the prime putting their money into small minister's deal which i'm in favour businesses and start—up and i had of, or leaving without a deal. i lots of friends who were doing start—ups and small businesses and i don't believe that the majority of thought this would be a nice way of helping them as well. i was doing mps would vote not to leave, by the that and cautiously waiting for the way. i think most are like me which 5000 to see how the company works. i is to say they campaign for remain but the majority of people, people we re but the majority of people, people were given the choice and fated to also went to visit them personally

leave. the real question is, can we in brighton, spent a couple of hours in their office to make sure they stomach leaving with no deal which we re in their office to make sure they were genuine. but its only, the is the only alternative now to be whole reason as when the ice came prime minister's deal. i say no, i out, even then, as an ice it say we should leave but we have to do it in say we should leave but we have to matured, i changed over to lfc. it do itina say we should leave but we have to do it in a measured way over a period of time. it's all happened was a couple of months before this over the decades. i don't accept happened, that all my eggs were in it's a secret way to stay in the eu one basket. i'm very sorry to hear andi it's a secret way to stay in the eu and i feel that we want to break the that. it wasn't at all, initially. thank you, all of you for coming on impasse and want to break it in the and we will see what happens but next few days. it's certainly not to thank you, we appreciate your time. drag it on. stephen bradley is in burton on trent. hello. can you hear cani thank you, we appreciate your time. can i say one thing? just that amongst the assets which i'm in me? let me read some more tweets. possession of, there are a couple of real assets, i don't want people to think that everything they invested this viewer says, yes, i support the in was not real, there are a couple mps and the prime minister should of real, genuine assets which will produce some funds to go back to the have trusted parliamentary democracy a year ago. another viewer says, bondholders. 0k, thank you all of yes, i trust them and support the you. if you are getting in touch, you. if you are getting in touch, you are welcome. mps because theresa may is a hostage to the dup and hardline brexiteers if you're emailing and are happy and her party and is mentally unable for us to contact you —

to change her mind. another viewer and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone says, if mps had carried out the number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged result of the referendum we wouldn't at the standard network rate. some more england players have be in this mess. it's down to endured racist abuse while playing for their country. theresa may and every remain mps who on the pitch last night, have done all they can to reverse england beat montenegro 5—1 in that second euro 2020 the democratic vote of 17.4 million qualifying campaign game. monkey chants were directed at danny rose. england manager, gareth southgate has called for the football people. another viewer says, no, governing body uefa to investigate. the democratic vote of 17.4 million people. anotherviewersays, no, i don't support them, i don't trust ididn't hearduring i didn't hear during the early part them. i don't know if you can hear of the game but i am told there were things during the early part of the me, stephen. no. he's not there so game and when danny rose was booked, don't worry. mr harrington, thank you for talking to us. a pleasure. it's unacceptable, we will report it but i think that reporting is already in place because so many thank you for your time. please send people in other areas of the ground us thank you for your time. please send us your views. i had so many have heard it. i believe the uefa m essa g es us your views. i had so many delegate also heard it. messages about whether you support mps and what they've done. raheem sterling scored england's fifth goal in the 81st minute still to come. and celebrated by putting his hands players condemn the unacceptable to his ears. racist abuse directed at them he shared the picture on twitter during their 5—1 win in montenegro. after the match "best way to silence the haters, and yeah, more than 11,500 people who put money into investment i mean racists" he says. firm london capital finance may face having to wait two years to get only

a small amount of their money back — we speak to some of those who say after the match he spoke to 5 live they've lost their life savings. it's a shame. we knew how hard it we first reported on "breast would be, harder times. ironing" in 2016. it's a shame. we knew how hard it would be, hardertimes. we it's a shame. we knew how hard it would be, harder times. we stuck together as a team. some great it's where hot objects are used performances. but a couple of to press and destroy the breasts of girls as young as nine. idiots, pardon my language, a couple of idiots ruined a great night. it's it's a practice that a real, sad thing to hear and i originates in west africa, but it's happening here in the uk. didn't hear it personally but my experts are now telling this programme that authorities team—mate, danny, heard it. it's a are "in denial" and that pe teachers sad thing to hear. garth crooks as a need to be trained to spot signs in young girls. board member of the anti—discrimination charity kick it 0ur reporter amber haque has met out which challenges racism and all women in middlesbrough, birmingham and london — sorts of dissemination and football. john barnes and the former england all speaking for the first time — about their experience of being breast ironed by members and liverpool player is with us. how of their own family. do you think the players dealt with it? very well. i would like to see it? very well. i would like to see it's a community it going a stage further. meaning? sensitive hidden crime. the numbers are far greater than we anticipate.

a secretive practice happening to girls as young the football association, referees as nine here in britain. and officials invoke the protocol a bit been working on for the last five years. what would that mean practically? three steps, when they hear racist abuse the referee is obliged to go off the pitch, and for the spectators if it continues, he will take the players of the page. the second process, if it continues, difficult to detect but devastating to the lives ta ke of the young girls affected. it's mothers, grandmothers that the second process, if it continues, take them off and appeal again to are the perpetrators. the spectators to stop what they are you can no longer sit back and say, "i'm fearful doing and thirdly, is to abandon the game. that protocol has been in of being labelled racist." if you've got pe you can't hide place and agreed with the football authorities, i've been involved in yourself because someone decided those discussions for five years. to mutilate my body. i've never seen it happen. has it? howard webb did it once in a game we can educate young girls against norris when sebastian that this is not normal. bassong was being abused. you're it's abuse. talking a world cup referee. it has been happening twice in italy and the italian association, the referees, officials, disregarded. montenegro has previous for this breast ironing, sometimes known kind of behaviour. gareth southgate and the football association put as pounding, flattening or sweeping, u efa and the football association put

is a hidden form of abuse. uefa and the players on notice they we re uefa and the players on notice they were going into a hostile the practice originates in cameroon environment. that was a subtext, and other countries in west africa. shorthand for a racist environment. it involves ironing a girl's i'm not quite sure he called it for chest with hot objects what it was but those players to delay their breasts from growing, so she doesn't attract male attention. deserve the protection, not only of and whilst many authorities are now their association, but their familiar with the cultural practice of female genital mutilation, or fgm, where families employer. every employee deserves a cut their daughter's genitals, duty of care in a working environment. the players did not get most have never heard of breast ironing. that. let me bring john n. what did you think of it? of course it was organisations say they have deplorable, absolutely, but i'm anecdotal evidence of it happening interested in for the solution is. to dozens of girls every year for me, the solution as garth talks about from a legal perspective, here in the uk. legislation, players walking off, we've come to middlesbrough that's been spoken about for many to meet ka naya. years. will that stop people being that's not her real name. her family are cameroonian and she racist? it's not, only three education can we do that. i know we was breast ironed at ten years old. have to pass laws, laws are being passed but they are not working so you have to go hand—in—hand with

education, unconscious bias. we are all unconsciously biased. let's not point the finger at montenegro, what is happening in this country. should the current —— should the players walk off? it's happening up and down the country. what about montenegro which has been suggested being forced to play future games behind closed doors? so their supporters are not allowed in? of course that what we need to understand in terms of breast ironing is it's could happen and that happened in a community—sensitive hidden crime. the past. we had closed doors games. women are not going to speak openly. has it stop? no. do we want a they are not going to seek help. solution? we can pass laws so we it's not out there on our government's agenda. don't hear it anymore we can come i know this is happening together with some kind of because people have divulged it to me and they have said it's educational programme throughout not the first time openly just montenegro but england as well, that they've ever spoken about what's happened to them. to make people know why it's wrong and they felt ashamed. to make people know why it's wrong to do it. which is what kick it out you know, they felt ashamed that tries to do. a big school in hell, it's part of their body that they should feel proud of. 125 teachers, we do that, with the with breast ironing it's covert, its hidden, it's done behind next generation of citizens. it is closed doors in secrecy. it's mothers, grandmothers that ongoing. that is a societal problem, are the perpetrators. what i hear from women is this i'm talking about a football problem

that has rules and regulations. why don't uefa take it seriously? this is part of a girl becoming a woman. is window dressing. they are this is a practice carried out by women on women. containing this and asking us to be the pressure on some mothers to carry on the cultural tradition in the uk can be immense. quiet, like nice little boys. we'll deal with this. and when players are being abused they are doing little or nothing. why, briefly? you would have to ask them. why do you think? pa rt of have to ask them. why do you think? part of myjob is to hold them to account, part of the job of kick it if they would have been able out is to hold them to account and to get them, what would to your credit, part of me being they have done to them? here is in part to do that. the final word, john barnes? as long as it exists in society, it exists in all walks of society. kick it out can do nothing until it gets rid of it in society and we are doing at what do you think that would have the wrong way round. let's look at targeting it in society, football been like if they were actually able fans are members of society first. you cannot take it out, we are doing to do that to you and to your body? i don't think i will ever forget. i would be scarred for life.

my best friend in year six, it the wrong way round. he is she went through it. entitled to his opinion but he is she was a really nice person. terribly wrong. absolutely. 20 years it is going on and nothing has she was very happy. changed, nothing has changed. thank you. a stillbirth is a tragedy for any then one day she was sad parent — and in the whirlwind all the time and always of grief that follows, wanted to be by herself. many can feel that they are left i didn't know what was going on. without clear answers about what went wrong. later i discovered her mother today the government is announcing proposals to change the way that was doing that to her. stillbirths from 37 weeks of pregnancy are investigated — by giving coroners the power there's no official figures to investigate all full—term to estimate how often this stillbirths. is happening here in the uk at the moment, coroners can only as we aren't collecting any data. hold inquests for babies but the un estimates worldwide who have shown signs of life after being born. that there are around four million teenage girls at risk they can't investigate of having their breasts ironed. where the pregnancy appeared healthy we've discovered the practice isn't but the baby was stillborn — just about making women in these circumstances the health care safety less attractive to men. investigation branch investigate. it goes to the heart of a woman's let's speak to ryan sexuality and how to control it. and amyjackson, whose daughter lily mae was stillborn. simone, whose identity we are protecting, was breast ironed at 13 after her mum found out thank you for coming onto the that she was gay. programme. when did you realise something wasn't right in your pregnancy? i think really,

something wasn't right in your pregnancy? ithink really, i had something wasn't right in your pregnancy? i think really, i had had a couple of weeks, they didn't think the growth was quite right. they we re the growth was quite right. they were happy everything was ok. one day i realised i hadn't had any movement that day. so i rang ryan so when she found out, what was her reaction? andi movement that day. so i rang ryan and i told him and we went from there. you go to hospital. you have scans? we rang the hospital and they said come in and we will check it. we went to the local hospital and we re we went to the local hospital and were scanned, firstly by a portable scanner and wasn't really told much, we we re scanner and wasn't really told much, we were told we needed to move to another scanner. i think you could see the fear in the midwives eyes at that stage. i don't think any kid because she was on the bed. but there wasjust a because she was on the bed. but there was just a change because she was on the bed. but there wasjust a change in the midwives 's eyes. she told us it was an old scannerand midwives 's eyes. she told us it was an old scanner and she wanted to ta ke an old scanner and she wanted to take us to a new room with an

up—to—date scanner and we were taken round and within minutes, a couple of minutes, we were told there was a consultant in there and there was a bereavement midwife there as well. which, i don't think she was there for that reason but we were told, literally within minutes, lily 's heart had stopped and there was nothing that she could do. and then you have to give birth, either naturally or via cesarean. yes. we we re naturally or via cesarean. yes. we were told i would be induced two days later. i was given a tablet right there and then to help open the cervix. sent home from hospital and told to come back two days later to be induced. my first pregnancy before this was a cesarean but they prefer before this was a cesarean but they p refer to before this was a cesarean but they prefer to go in and go through labour naturally. really for yourself and future pregnancies.” know you want to tell our audience what that is like. because you don't

necessarily believe that people realise that you have to give birth to your dead baby? yes, i think a lot of people were shocked that actually you are sent away from the hospitalfor actually you are sent away from the hospital for two days and brought back into be induced and that labour is exactly the same as a labourer with a normal paper apart from the end result, there is no point the baby comes out and that room is com pletely baby comes out and that room is completely different. and i think i had a lot of, kind of, thoughts afterwards, people questioning, didn't even realise she had to do that or what happened ? didn't even realise she had to do that or what happened? you went into labour? that is a big shock to a lot of people. i think the one thing, on amy 's side, as the mother and my side as the father, is the immediate impact on the father is. i think mothers, certainly with amy, amy, she had almost mentally prepared herself, knowing that we were going

back to hospital in two days and we almost found we were comforting others when they were coming round to the house. even back to any 's parents house and family members came round and we almost felt we we re came round and we almost felt we were comforting them because we had had to put ourselves in a psychological state knowing what was going to happen two days later. i remember asking questions about why could she not have a cesarean now? why can this not happen now? for obvious reasons, the cervix is ready, they have to prepare you for an induction. but that day and a half, two days before we went back to hospital wasjust i don't think there is a word for it. surreal. so surreal. i rememberamy saying, i can feel the baby kicking. and they say its phantom kicks, don't they? and it's devastating. absolutely devastating. not only for

us, for the wider family as well. our parents, who are seeing their children it's horrific. you spend some time with lily mae. tell our audience about that.” spend some time with lily mae. tell our audience about that. i gave birth atjust before 7pm on the evening. i think what was amazing, we we re evening. i think what was amazing, we were given as much time as we wa nted we were given as much time as we wanted and a lot of the family that we see through the charity said that the best thing they are given. if you want to stay in hospital with your baby and have them for one or two days, that is there for you. we stayed overnight and decided to go home in the morning. mainly because we had alfie at home. your first born. and i also think at the time, the hospital that we were at didn't have what's called a cuddled cult which keeps the baby cold and keeps the dignity of the baby because if they are in a warm room they

deteriorate quite quickly and you could see the difference in lily overnight and i think it was about us, remembering the way she looked. —— cuddle cot. we wanted to remember her like that, as we had seen her. and it almost fell into place, really, about the sort of things that we had decided to do with the help of our bereavement midwife. how do you process all of that devastating experience?” do you process all of that devastating experience? i think it ta kes a devastating experience? i think it takes a long time and to begin with, you don't process anything. you cannot process it because it's such a surreal act, it's not the way the

world works. the way the world works to most people, older people die and not babies, not babies who haven't even breezed. so it takes a long time, it requires a lot of support, especially from other people who had been through it, a lot of guidance. and this suggestion, the consultation which will begin about whether coroners should be able to investigate stillbirths. with that make a difference? i think is everything, it has its pros and cons. i think in our experience, it may have helped our grieving process a little bit. maybe made it a little bit easier. because there might have beena bit easier. because there might have been a little bit more understanding about what had happened to lily. but it also could have made it harder and prolong that, obviously it can ta ke and prolong that, obviously it can take quite a long time for results like that to come out and i think, depending on the support that's available for those families at that time, ithink available for those families at that time, i think it's a personal decision, that those families should certainly be a part of. thank you both and thank you both for being so honest with our audience and we are

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