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this is bbc news, and the headlines out at 11 atiip:m.... at 11 p:m.... theresa may and jeremy corbyn had been locked and talks to try to reach a compromise of a brexit. prime minister let it be a labour brexit? depanneur nestor is under a growing pressure from my own side about seeking a compromise with the labour leader. a string of mps condemning her mode stomach move. they describe the talks as inconclusive. she has come up with something that is acceptable perhaps which does move in the direction i have said the labour party wants in order to reach an agreement with the eu. this is the scene live in the house of commons this evening where mps are voting on a series of amendments to seek a brexit delay.
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earlier today, it was rejected by the narrowest of margins and the speaker had to use his casting ballot because the boats were tied. on the principle that important decisions should not be taken and accepted by a majority i cast my vote with the noes. and we will take an in—depth look at the papers, and the political correspondent at the telegraph. stay with us for that. good evening. the search for a brexit breakthrough, moved into a different phase today, with talks between theresa may and jeremy corbyn.
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the first exchanges were said to be ‘constructive', and they agreed a ‘programme of work‘ to try to find a way forward. further discussions are planned for tomorrow. mr corbyn said the meeting had been ‘useful but inconclusive‘. this evening, mps have been considering new legislation, which would force mrs may to seek a longer extension to the brexit process and give more power to mps. our political correspondent iain watson is in the central lobby of the houses of parliament. another very busy night. it is another busy night at a dramatic night, and not necessarily one that is decisive when it comes to final decisions of brexit but par for the course of what is happening tonight and parliament to wrest control from the government from theresa may over what happens delaying departure from the eu if necessary to avoid a new deal situation. ben cooper‘s legislation to force the prime
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minister to extend article that they will be voted on tonight. what they happen voting on are a range of amendments and a number of these are significant because the government tried to claw back a bit of leeway for itself to say they should extend article 50 and its own way and got a thumping defeat, the second ever biggest government defeat and an attempt to say that any extension to article 50 four delay should be short of may the 22nd, it would be defeated as well. theresa may is trying to get some control of the process by seeing if she could get the labour leader to agree a way forward. this was his verdict on the meeting with the prime minister. and was raised by me at the beginning of the meeting, and said this is a policy about the party that we want to pursue the option of a public vote to prevent crashing out or from leaving on a bad deal. there is no agreement reached on that but we just put it there as one of the issues that the labour party
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co nfe re nce issues that the labour party conference voted on last year. and therefore, are you open... is the government open to an idea of an extension that is longer than may the 22nd that could involve european parliamentary elections? if it goes beyond the 22nd of may than it does involve the european elections which the government does not want to be involved and and they made that very clear in the premise are made that clear in the premise are made that clear in the house as well as in meetings with me and that is why she is very keen to get a vote through the house next week in order to get an agreement with the eu which will mean that britain does not have to ta ke mean that britain does not have to take part in the eu elections. they have written to the shadow cabinet and said that the referendum she must be on the table and you should not accept a deal with the prime minister without tapping on the table is that a bad line for you? there was no deal being offered by
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us there was no deal being offered by us eitherand we there was no deal being offered by us either and we just discussed where we were at and she reiterated that where she is at the present time so redlines in the future did not come up. i've certainly been told by people close tojeremy corbyn to translate any of that that they are not helpful with a deal bike theresa may. i‘m joined by nikki morgan and trying to find a compromise on brexit, but you are pleased at the mps are trained to ta ke pleased at the mps are trained to take control of this process away from the prime minister, an attempt to limitan from the prime minister, an attempt to limit an extension to may the 22nd was defeated. to limit an extension to may the 22nd was defeatedlj to limit an extension to may the 22nd was defeated. i rather this was not having to happen in the sense that i think it should be the government driving negotiations but we are now after the 29th of march, two years into this process and parliament was just allowed him to give an indicative votes on what was allowed to happen and it is important for mps to have a say puppy important for mps to have a say puppy prime minister of course i been clear she does not want to leave without a deal and is prepared
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to contemplate an extension. it is a mutual endeavour between government and parliament to get to a place where we have a brexit resolution so we can start to move on. if the motion goes through tonight, it is legislation compelling the prime minister to do something and it would limit her to a short extension. it would be open ended and that is because there needs to be flexibility about the whole brexit process and the agreement is approved and therefore we have to get the legislation through and that is one thing, of course if it requires a reset of strategy and there will be agreement between labour, the conservatives, of the reshaping of the drawn agreement and particularly forming the future relationship, we are all very aware that could involve fighting european parliamentary elections. thank you very much, i think we will cross over and hear the results of the next that which is a procedural vote. the eyes to the right, 105,
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the nose to the left, 509. b noes habit. i now call the the nose to the left, 509. b noes habit. i now callthe ministerto move clause 13 formally. as many as are of the opinion, say "aye". to the contrary, "no". i think the ayes have it, the ayes have it. order, order. so we just saw the defeat of bell cash‘s amendment, the procedural one
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bya cash‘s amendment, the procedural one by a significant majority. the speaker is back. the committee has gone through the bell and made amendments. under the order of the house of today, we now move directly to third reading. of course be i come to the right honourable lady, point of order. the house of commons is about to pass a major piece of legislation without a report stage ora legislation without a report stage or a substantive third reading. if the government did this, the house would rightly be deeply irritated with the government. so the house should find no virtue and its actions this evening. the honourable gentleman has made his own plane and his own way and with his usual sincerity, the matter of virtue is not want to be adjudicated by the chair but his point is on the
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record. very well, point of order. mrspeaker record. very well, point of order. mr speaker you record. very well, point of order. mrspeakeryou are record. very well, point of order. mr speaker you are the defender of the rights of this parliament, surely it would be your gift to make this farce stopped and stayed there would be no third reading and no more votes. the honourable gentleman that asks me what powers i do not possess it, i should not be sure if i should be in full to the honourable gentleman, perhaps if he was right, i would be but he isn‘t so was right, i would be but he isn‘t soi was right, i would be but he isn‘t so i cannot. we believe it there and i heard his dulcet tones and they will ring and my ears for some considerable time to come. i thank him for what he has said. we turn now to that cooper to move the third reading. the question is the bill be reading. the question is the bill be read the third time. as many as are of the opinion, say "aye". to the contrary, "no". division! clearthe
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lobby. this is the big one, this is the third reading and it is an extraordinary evening again and the commons, as mps take control of the agenda. the motion to allow them even to take control was approved only by one vote and then the second reading went through by five votes. now they are leaving the chamber in order to vote on the third reading. i think we had ian watson standing by in westminster. just explained again the significance of this moment. this is a hugely significant parliamentary terms, not necessarily for the brexit process itself but in parliamentary terms what we are seeing or witnessing is an attempt by mps to wrest control from the
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elected government of the day and mandate a prime minister on what she ought to be doing an international negotiations and that is a big deal. it does not happen very often if at all and there is a good chance it will be passed because we had two conservative mps, a last ditch attempt to stop the vote from taking place and they thought it was a constitutional outrage but this is an attend from cooper from labour to try to make sure that brexit does not delay long enough for an alternative to theresa may‘s deal to go through and in other where they will tell her to go back to brussels and asked for an extension. the terms of limiting the extension to may the 22nd two fighting european parliament elections and after it is defeated massively, there is an attempt by the government to wrest back control and want flexibility to extend and that went down to a thumping defeat so likely, carry on
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votes tonight and have been really close and this would probably be noted different, so the bill will go through and if it does make constitutional history, because parliament rather than the executive if you would like being in control of that stage of the brexit process. that does not make a deal come any closer and theresa may of course is continuing to carry out the talks with the leader of the opposition and to try to find a way through the brexit deadlock. those talks will have to continued nonetheless, she will lose let another piece of her prime ministerial power tonight. we will find out and about 15 minutes. clear up one thing for me, when the brexit secretary amendment was heavily defeated, they should be able to command more votes in the house than what he was getting, what is going on there? a similar defeat to the called meaningful vote, the
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biggest defeat ever and the reason for that is that i did not want control seated entirely too parliament and mps suggest you made a mess in the process and we want that power and another part of this with the behaviour if you like of the european research group, critics of theresa may, some of them relu cta ntly of theresa may, some of them reluctantly voted for heard deal and many more did not and it does not matter which way you extend article 50, they do not want to extend it at all. many want to come out on what is called no deal and state wto terms, they were refusing to back their own prime minister in that particular vote and in that particular vote and in that particular division. remember of course that the minister, extraordinary things are occurring antigovernment minister can resign, like a flash in the pan in the blink ofan like a flash in the pan in the blink of an eye. the minister for nora
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stomach no deal resigned today and said it was redundant and resigned in protest because he did not want a further extension to brexit. many who have written against her and against the brexit secretary‘s are in the same camp. keep an eye on advanced virus and we will come back in the next you minutes. —— on events and we will come back. as it fills up in here, we will get the results of the boat and come back to you ian. we have been talking about events happening earlier in the day with resignations of ministers and the big thing that happened earlier in the day with a meeting between the prime minister and the leader of the prime minister and the leader of the opposition. let‘s go back and ta ke the opposition. let‘s go back and take a closer look at that because it is essential. they met to try to find a solution to the brexit crisis. our deputy political editor john pienaar is with us. theresa may‘s looking for compromise, but what kind of brexit might take shape —
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assuming any deal‘s possible? mrs may and jeremy corbyn suddenly agreeing never seemed likely. he wants permanent ties to the eu customs union, same import duties — so, no outside trade deals. he wants to stay close to the single market. that means free movement of people. both leaders accept that should change, but what about a new referendum? she‘s against, he‘s never been very keen. but to many mps and most labour members, it‘s a priority — as it is to the snp, lib dems, plaid cymru, and the new independent group. would either leader really mind if these talks broke down in the end? on mrs may‘s side, some hate that she‘s talking to mr corbyn — lending him legitimacy, they say. but brexiteers also fear she‘s on course to stay too close to the eu. the angriest tories wants her gone quickly, so a new leader can rewrite whatever‘s agreed. on mr corbyn‘s side, some believe his true wish was to keep his hands clean
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of brexit, let the tories get the blame for whatever goes wrong. so what next? agreement means a deal might start to take shape. if talks finally break down, mrs may said it‘s up to mps. then, more voting on brexit options — staying close to the eu, a referendum, or — what many tories would prefer — leaving with no deal. and of course, mrs may‘s deal, which would be back in the mix. next wednesday at his back to brussels, the prime minister wants a deal before april the 12th, the deadline before taking part in becoming european elections which start on may 23 but the eu may insist on a longer day to make their way and that is if the eu except any delay at all. let‘s ta ke let‘s take another look as we await the outcome of the third reading of
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coopehs the outcome of the third reading of cooper‘s bell, the european union withdrawal bill number five. and has taken up the focus of the last couple of hours, two or three hours in the house and an attempt in her words to clarify, add some clarity toa words to clarify, add some clarity to a situation which although the prime minister says she does want to extend article 50, cooper says there is no process and by this bill she wa nts to is no process and by this bill she wants to ensure she says that the uk does not slip back into a no deal cliff edge. we expect that in the next few minutes. while we are waiting, let‘s take a look at events and brussels because next week the european council will be meeting on wednesday. before that they are expecting an outcome, a plan to be delivered by landon. our europe editor katya adler gave details on what europe is making up of the developments at westminster. —— delivered by landon.
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it is not angela merkel‘s style to get emotional about brexit like some eu leaders or provocative like others, such as the french president. today she praised what she described as intense political effo rts she described as intense political efforts to break the brexit deadlock in the uk but make no mistake she is hugely frustrated by what she described as the ongoing differences of opinion in westminster. why is it that she cares so much, exactly? is it because of german car—makers that would take a hit in a case of a no—deal brexit? of course the economy plays into it but the german chancellor has broader concerns as well. she truly believes in the european union as a peace project and worries about the potential effects a no—deal brexit on the island of ireland and the return of violence there. she has to dublin tomorrow to try to tackle the conundrum of how to keep that border openin
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conundrum of how to keep that border open in the case of a new deal brexit and still impose the checks and controls the eu wants to protect the single market. it needs to get sorted said jean claude juncker and said no—deal brexit is very likely and fed deal or no deal, the eu would be chasing the uk to the brexit bill, the £39 billion and also do it‘s debt over the irish border although that is all for the future. right now, at most other eu leadersjust want future. right now, at most other eu leaders just want mps to unite around the brexit agreement they negotiated with the prime minister. as we wait for mps to get back into the chamber and for that vote results, let‘s look at otherness because the of defence has launched and investigation into a video, showing soldiers from the parachute regiment, using a poster ofjeremy corbyn, for target practise. mr corbyn said tonight said he was ‘shocked‘ at the footage. our defence correspondent
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jonathan beale reports. this is the video that has caused offence right across the political divide, and huge embarrassment to the british army. four soldiers firing their pistols at an indoor range in kabul. they are using training ammunition. normal drills, at least until the camera pans around. they are using a giant photo ofjeremy corbyn as the target. the labour leader‘s face now splattered with paint. the video shows totally unacceptable behaviour and a serious error of judgment that falls far below the behaviour we expect of our soldiers in the brigade. those involved are soldiers of the 3rd battalion, the parachute regiment, based here in colchester. over the past few months, they have been providing security in kabul. known as guardian angels, theirjob is to protect international advisers. this video will only damage the reputation of an army that is meant to stay
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out of politics. jonathan beale, bbc news. let‘s ta ke let‘s take another look at the commons because the chamber is filling up there as the mps come backin filling up there as the mps come back in after this late night third reading vote. extraordinary times we lead and when the bell gets a third being on the same day as its first. coming back to that in a few minutes. a critical moment for eve ryo ne minutes. a critical moment for everyone involved in the brexit process and as we were hearing a couple minutes ago, talks will be ongoing tomorrow between the conservative party team and the labour team. as we ponder all of that, let‘s talk to our newspaper reviewers, victims tonight of all types of plays we want to put at them and discuss with them because one is the political correspondent
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the telegraph and another is the editor of political landon playbook. you have been watching, what you ta ke you have been watching, what you take of it so far? this is all quite historic stuff in the house of commons. this time to pass legislation, to force it and for theresa may to postpone brexit to avoid no deal and know the significance of this has slightly been worn off a little bit since theresa may has made her announcement yesterday and essentially got there herself. cell either i spoke to a tory mp who is putting forward, backing one of these motions today and he said we kind of got it anyway. it is pretty clear theresa may will never go for no deal. my honest opinion, she was never going to do that. she is very security focused and as a prime
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minister who was home secretary for a long time and she heard the warnings about but that would mean and said that always was an attempt at negotiating position than anything else so this law is more if the bill is passed, it becomes a law and shall we call it a backstop, to make sure that she does what we expect him what we think she should deal and if something does not go wrong at the last minute as the mps supporting this would see it and britain crashes out without a deal next friday night. as you say she has been forced to reveal her hand a little bit more but we are very close to the end and someone would say we were over at march 29, are we going to see more of her hand and short succession? you would think so but she plays the cards close to her chest as we know and this process of her now trying to negotiate with jeremy corbyn is a really interesting test of her personally
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because she is not someone who i would say is seen as a skilled negotiator. she is not really a people person. this is all about can you make this relationship work, can you make this relationship work, can you find the clever ways of hammering out details and planning processes, it is not really a very theresa may thing and time is of the essence , theresa may thing and time is of the essence, she has to go back to brussels next week with a plan and wants to devise that plan with jeremy corbyn so it is about can you make that relationship work? i do not think that is her strong point so not think that is her strong point so it isa not think that is her strong point so it is a big test for the prime minister. it may not be the only test because as she sits in a room with jeremy corbyn, test because as she sits in a room withjeremy corbyn, a man who she saysis withjeremy corbyn, a man who she says is unfit to govern, we hear or there is speculation about members of her cabinet jumping ship there is speculation about members of her cabinetjumping ship or being on the edge ofjumping ship. this is the story and the sun today, saying that we have 15 ministers possibly close to resignation, five cabinet ministers and changing your ministers and changing your ministers and changing your
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ministers and we have ministers already today and now they are close tojumping ship already today and now they are close to jumping ship but already today and now they are close tojumping ship but one of already today and now they are close to jumping ship but one of the things that will really pay them over the edge is that theresa may seeks a long extension to brexit and forces the uk to put forward candidates in the mep elections which is a real let democrat mind for a lot of toys particularly since they started on a manifesto and 2017 saying they would not do this. we will go straight over to the commons and hear the results. order! the ayes to the right, denotes the left, 312. -- ayes to the right, denotes the left, 312. —— the notice to the left, 312. —— the notice to the left, 312. —— the notice to the left, 312. the eyes to the right, 313, the nose to the left, 312. so
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the ayes have it. the ayes have it. unlock. division! yes, indeed. point of order cooper. mr speaker, given the strong feelings there are on this issue and the tightness of the vote, i think it is really important to say how welcome it was that this was a very considerate and thoughtful debate throughout today andi thoughtful debate throughout today and i am sure that is the way we wa nt and i am sure that is the way we want all of the debates on this to ta ke want all of the debates on this to take place. the house has tonight voted again to make clear the real concern about a chaotic and damaging no deal and also to support the prime minister‘s commitment to ensure that we do not end up with no deal on april the 12th and i am sure that you will be very keen to work with the government to make sure that this legislation progresses in
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a way that a sensible and works in the national interest and can i finally think the right honourable memberfor dorsett finally think the right honourable member for dorsett west and the honourable number for their work on this bill and on previous bills in order to make sure we could get this farandi order to make sure we could get this farand i hope it order to make sure we could get this far and i hope it will help the prime minister to persuade her cabinet and others how important this is. i know what the right honourable lady said and i thank her for it. point of order. mr speaker, i heard what the right honourable lady has said. but it is difficult to argue you had an extremely considered debate when you rammed the belter in the house of commons and barely four hours. that is not debate, that is a constitutional outrage. and it went through in the end mr speaker. it went through in
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the end by one vote. mr speaker, that timmy does not represent a long—term settled well of the house of commons. —— that to me does not represent. someone sounds from a sedentary position, there is a difference between 1.4 million and one and! difference between 1.4 million and one and i would say to the honourable gentlemen upset and his parliamentary colleagues, the public will not be pressed by this, forgive them father for they know not what they do. i note what the right honourable gentlemen has said, he speaks for himself and conceivably for others as well and there are people who take a different view yet read it and a perfectly orderly way
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but there is nothing disorderly about these proceedings, i absolutely understand the right honourable gentlemen 's point of view shared by many others that this is not a procedure that should be followed but it is not a disorderly procedure. yes i will come to the honourable lady but i saw the honourable lady but i saw the honourable gentlemen first. point of order. of course this has been a quality debate and altogether too brief of one and i know how the lordships feel about briskly compared legislation going up to their house so i placed on the record that the lordships will examine this bill absolutely line by line and explore every possibility for of this legislation, for as long as long as they think is necessary. the other place well, i'm sure, become aware of his words and the other place will make its own
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judgement as he rightly suggests. i will come to the honourable lady. point of order is. yvette cooper bill through by one of vote. in our political correspondent bennett wright is watching from westminster. your thoughts? everyone of these folks these days is an absolute nailbiter. this with potentially huge ramifications of boiled down to just one vote. extraordinary sell. what this means now is that this bill, was that through the house of commons at a high speed when i go to the lords, expected to happen as early as tomorrow and passage may be a formality. —— will go to the lord. it will then get royal assent and become law. when it means is that at the end of the day, the government will be compelled to come forward with a motion to the house of commons, seeking an extension to the article 50 process. in giving them peace the to vote on that. and i
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