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time and again, concerns this is bbc news, i'm shaun ley. are being raised about the way the headlines at four... in which patients are restrained. the government insists theresa may atus came under increasing scrutiny in 2011 after the bbc exposed had to reach out to labour in a bid the horrific abuse of patients to find a way forward on brexit. at a residential hospital winterbourne view. the panorama programme led it has angered some conservatives. to the government promising to shut down all similar units. working withjeremy corbyn is not the government and nhs promised the headlines: theresa may has to close many of these beds. something i want to do at all. people are spending many, many years in there. they shouldn't be. it's not something the prime insisted she had to reach out to awful things are happening to people labour ina in there and they shouldn't be. minister wants to do. insisted she had to reach out to labour in a bid to deliver brexit at the risk of letting it slip through in the same way that but far worse than that would be asylums were closed, to fail to deliver on brexit. herfingers. labour's these places need to be closed, the risk of letting it slip through and people need to be labour defends its handling her fingers. labour's defended the risk of letting it slip through herfingers. labour's defended its handling of complaints about supported in the community. of complaints about anti—semitism anti—semitism after it was reported people are supposed to be admitted after reports that the party failed to take disciplinary action the party failed to take in atus for 9—18 months but nhs in hundreds of cases. disciplinary action with hundreds of figures show the average length of stay is more than five years. cases. cambridge celebrating after having her away from home is obviously very difficult. its victory in the annual oxford but why are you so worried? commemorations have taken place she is so desperate cambridge boat race, despite having to end it all really. in rwanda today to mark 25 years she has a toothbrush inside her since the genocide in which around because she swallowed a toothbrush. a tenth of the population on board the oldest man to ever an actual toothbrush? an actual toothbrush. was killed. you couldn't imagine this prince william has completed happening to anyone. a three week stint working participate. commemorations in it is your worst nightmare. with the intelligence agencies. rwanda to mark 25 years since the e—mails shown to us appear to confirm the incident, genocide in which one tenth of the a senior social worker at the secure cambridge have beaten oxford in the population died. charlie rowley, one unit told the family injune 2018. of the people poisoned in last nearly ten months on and you yea r‘s of the people poisoned in last believe the toothbrush year's suspected chemical attack by is still stuck inside her? it is still stuck inside her. they said it would pass naturally russia in salisbury, has met but that hasn't happened. russian‘s ambassador in london to there is a possibility that it question him about what happened. could cause serious damage.
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we are powerless and have to sit back and watch ayla suffer and it's torture. it's torture for her and it's torture for us. victoria derbyshire takes a look the hospital where ayla is staying back at some of the highlights from has told us they are closely her programme this week. regulated and often visited by the care quality commission. in 2015, the government set a target to move between 35—50% of people with learning disabilities and autism out of inpatient units and into the community. it was called transforming care hello, welcome to the programme, but the programme has over the next half hour we will missed its own five—year deadline only achieving around 20% bring you exclusive and original and leaving 2,000 people journalism we have broadcast over the last week. we are powerless and on psychiatric wards. have to sit back and watch her so, today, we are going to see suffer, it is torture for her, and jade and i'm really looking forward to it. we haven't seen her for us. those are the words ofjudy haynes, her grand daughter, aila, for a couple of weeks. has learning difficulties, and has been held in secure units, known as atus for seven years, in her linda and chris are making a two—hour journey from birmingham to nottinghamshire to visit desperation, she swallowed a their 27—year—old daughter. before she went into a psychiatric toothbrush, which is still inside her. four years ago, the government hospital, even when she was ill before she went into a psychiatric hospital she was very, and nhs england said they would very different, she was vivacious, close at least 35% of the places at she was lively, she could engage in long conversations with her peers by atus the end of march this year. and with us, etc etc.
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and provide alternative care in the but since she has been ill that has all disappeared. community instead. department of at age 1a jade hutchings started self harming, health have mist their own deadlines which led to her parents being advised that she had to be sectioned. and now pushed it back. our she is currently at a medium secure reporter, phillips, has been to meet the parents of young people living unit in the east midlands. in atus. she is my only child, she is everything to me, she is my life, it is just unbelievable, i am living a i wake up in the middle nightmare. at age 19, aisla was of the night and i'm crying. i'm just crying because i'm so sad. jade is the last thing i think of at night and the first thing i think of in the morning. admitted to atu after struggling there is no, in a sense, peace in your mind because you're with anorexia and other mental always coming to terms with what's happened to your daughter. health illnesses. her life consist jade's not a danger to anyone, never has been. of spending her days from half past i mean, can you even envisage seven until half past nine at night another situation where a human being is locked up under presumption in one room, she has not been out of human being is locked up under that ward for the past year, apart presumption of guilt, yeah, on what they might do to themselves from once. we have not been able to or to others? can you imagine a court that would accept that? but it seems to me mentally ill people lose that right, you lose that basic human right see herfor from once. we have not been able to see her for the past from once. we have not been able to see herfor the past year, we were allowed only 310 minute phone calls to be free. per week. ayla has spent the last
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thirteen years on, seven per week. ayla has spent the last seve n years per week. ayla has spent the last seven years in psychiatric jade's parents are unsure as to when she will return home. hospitals, she is currently at a they say in a previous psychiatric medium secure unit, 200 miles away hospital she was locked in a secluded attic room for hours. from her home on the outskirts of cardiff. -- we were allowed only three ten minute phone call. her mother says that her prolonged stay in one of the hospitals thatjade has had a detrimental effect on her was in she was actually locked in a room for nine weeks health. she has a huge bald patch and it was so awful for her because there was nothing where her hair will never grow, all in the room apart from a telly the head—banging she has done. that on a high bracket on the wall. nothing for her to do. is irreversible. the doctor said she she wore rubber clothes, nothing on the bed, not even a sheet. it was just awful. and we had to go there and it was heartbreaking. has possibly caused more brain jade's family say she is still being held damage through the head—banging. because the authorities believe she poses a risk to herself. has possibly caused more brain damage through the head-banging. she loved dressing up, at the village birmingham city council, who are responsible for her care, carnival, she dressed up as a told us it can't comment on her case dalmatian there. are you worried you may never see her again? very much for reasons of patient so. may never see her again? very much so. i may never see her again? very much so. lam may never see her again? very much so. i am 78, i may never see her again? very much so. lam 78, i have may never see her again? very much so. i am 78, i have a may never see her again? very much so. lam 78, i have a heart condition, and it is distressing, confidentiality. not only for me but having to watch
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well, atus are like the old bedlam institutions in victorian times. ayla suffer and watch my daughter labour's shadow care minister says the government has allowed private companies to make millions of pounds by treating nhs patients suffer. i've tried for many years to in psychiatric units that failed to provide suitable care. there have been a0 deaths in these units since 2015 and nine of those find help, there are nearly 2300 were deaths of people under 35. adults and children with autism and the government must recommit itself and re—pledge to close learning disabilities living in these placements down. assessment and treatment units across the country. there was a systemic failure to protect the vulnerable residents who lived here. there is even a question of why time and again, planes raised about paying five times, for instance, the amount it would cost to have a community placement, is good value for money. how patients were restrained. it just isn't. time and again, planes raised about how patients were restrainedm 2011, the bbc exposed horrific abuse this is public money, of patients at the residential taxpayers' money. hospital, the panorama programme led in response, the department of health has told us to the government promising to shut in a statement: down all similar units.
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# sitting on the dock of a bay # watching the tide... with the right support outside of inpatient units it is possible to change people's lives. this girl spent 22 months at a secure unit in the east midlands where her family says she was repeatedly restrained by staff. it was a very hopeless place. even i'm a child psychiatrist, i couldn't access the right support, i couldn't have a meaningful dialogue with the expert team that were looking after her. i'm aware of so many families that haven't been as lucky, and i live in fear that she may end up back in a place like that. so i do think we won the lottery in a way in the support that we got and the care that she has at the moment.
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if you've been affected by any of the issues in that report and want some advice, go to the action line. the so—called independent group, that's the 11 mps, three former conservatives and eight former labour mps who have broken from their party to campaign for a second referendum have chosen heidi allen, the former tory mp who's been in parliament for only four years, as their leader. they've also started the process of registering as a political party to be called change uk, which would mean they'd be able to field candidates in elections. i've been talking to heidi allen. let me ask you about things like benefits and so on, so we get an idea about your principles and politics, because you have only been an mp since 2015. is that why you are the leader, because you haven't got much baggage? it is a variety of reasons. as a group of 11, we sat down a decision because forming a party going to the electoral commission, you need a leader. it is about who has the skills
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to bring people together. i have always worked across party and as apolitically as i could and given the reason we need these new politics is that all the existing structures have failed us, a kind of middle—of—the—road person who worked in business, industry, they are the candidates we want to attract. and with not much political baggage. no skeletons, i hope. are there any skeletons? i don't think so, i am quite a boring person really! should income tax be higher for the highest earners? i want a sweet spot where it covers public services and nhs and education. does that mean it goes up? potentially, it could. it was cut by george osborne from 50 to 45%. what could it go up to? i will not put a figure on it, everything we do has to be evidence—based so i would look at the statistics. have you ever taken drug stronger than cannabis? i have never even had a cigarette! should railways be renationalised?
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i don't think that would get the best service. do you think section 60 powers to tackle knife crime should be authorised or can be authorised by a less senior officer? i think that is a question for the people who know far better than i, which is the police service but far too often in policy areas, politicians get in a way of experts doing theirjob. should shamima begum have been allowed back to the uk? i think we acted too quickly, or possibly even illegally, for the home secretary suggested she shouldn't come back. there was a vulnerable woman there. so, yes? we should have been allowed to talk to her and look after her and see if there was a risk still to the uk. next, the world health organization says that the so—called anti—vaxx movement, that's people who reject the science behind vaccinations, is one of the top ten global health threats facing the world this year. in the uk, a growing number of parents are confused about whether to vaccinate their children. many who decide not to are influenced by misleading and inaccurate anti—vaxx material on social media
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and various websites. so, we took one couple, mark and victoria who were expecting a baby and were planning not to vaccinate that baby, to meet the experts. so there's a little leg. can you see the leg? going to be a footballer. yeah. like many expectant parents, mark and victoria will soon face important decisions about the health of their newborn baby. it's a beautiful top lip there. top lip, nostrils. currently, the nhs recommends babies have six vaccinations in the first two years of life, to protect them from 1a diseases such as measles, diphtheria and polio. so it is mostly the internet that we do get our information from. and it's a question of breaking it down. not necessarily asking the question but asking yourself the question — what chemical element's in this vaccine? and then go into that chemical
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element and find out about that. mark and victoria aren't sure they want to vaccinate their baby. they think the nhs is too quick to offer vaccinations and don't explain any potential risks. they've also been researching the ingredients in some vaccines and they're worried. we're still looking but we are swaying towards not getting the baby vaccinated. on what we know at the moment. on what we know. so we've arranged for them to meet drjulian spinks of court view medical practice in rochester to find out more about the immunisation process. first, mark wants to know why there isn't more detailed information in leaflets about vaccines in doctors' surgeries. we can see plenty of space being made for glossy posters saying you should get the flu vaccine, you should get this, you should get that. but there's no facts backing it up. i feel that people always can have more information and, from my point of view, if people ask for more information, i'll try and provide it. and one of the difficulties is that a lot of the anti—vaccination sites
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will raise very obscure things which it would be impossible to cover in a short leaflet. one of the problems that scientists face is that we tend to use very dry statistics involving large numbers of people. it's difficult to relate to that as an individual person. and often when you find people who are against something, what they do is they personalise it. they say, you know, that person was damaged by it and whatever. what they don't say is the enormous number of people who actually benefit from a treatment, whether it's vaccination or something else without any harm coming along. butjust because the poster's there doesn't mean we won't answer questions. the couple also wondered why it wasn't made clear to them that vaccination is optional when their older children were immunised. i would never make out it's compulsory. i would always say it is a voluntary thing. yes, i would very strongly recommend it. but, at the same time, it ultimately is the parents' choice. but i do have concerns because i do believe immunisation protects and it's protecting your child and it's also protecting the children around them,
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because of this thing of actually suppressing spread of the virus from one child to another. doctors' surgeries are paid by the government per vaccination. and mark and victoria want to know why that is. we've heard some stories about parents saying that, you know, they've chosen not to have their child vaccinated. in some cases, it's involved sort of, you know, social services, or the threat of. so we're just wondering whether gps are pressurised to meet targets for financial gain. well, we do have some targets. however, actually, the money involved with vaccination is relatively small. the amount of money we get for a vaccine is about £10. by the time you've covered the costs we have, which is recalling people and paying for nurses and buildings and so on, well over half of that is gone. so, actually, realistically, it's a very small amount of money we get and certainly way short of something that would actually make me want to do something which was putting children
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in harm's way. most doctors are incredibly ethical about the way they work and i would fundamentally disagree with practices who threaten parents over not immunising. but i have heard, for example, in some cases where children have safeguarding issues, they will look and see whether vaccinations are happening and that's not particularly because of parental choice. it tends to be that parents who just don't get round to vaccinating their children might be a marker that there's a problem in the family. next, mark and victoria want to find out more about what's in vaccines, so they're meeting professor beate kampmann, director of the vaccine centre at the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine. i will start off byjust asking, um, why do you think it is acceptable to inject aluminium into a baby when it is being banned in such things as aerosols? alum is a very, very important part of the vaccines, because it actually helps the stuff that's really important in the vaccines, which is the bacterial viral ingredients,
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to work well in the body. now, you make it sound as if we're giving a massive shot of aluminium to the body. so that's not at all the case. so the concentration of aluminium in it is like a thousandth of what you find in natural environments and what we already have in our bodies as well. and it is actually ingested by the body, probably even in the water in our cups of tea, and it's excreted with a poo. so it doesn't hang around in the body as such and, so far, there's been no evidence that it actually accumulates and causes any sort of long—term damage. the information leaflets in vaccine packaging is something mark and victoria want to find out more about. inserts for vaccines are not always offered prior to injections for parents to read. the ones that we have obtained state that they should not be administered if you are allergic to any of the ingredients. but how do we know if the baby is allergic or not? the most important ingredient in that is usually egg. sometimes, some vaccines — for example, the mmr vaccine has traces of that — by the time the baby gets
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that particular vaccine, you would know if they were allergic to egg or not because they would have had egg in all sorts of products. but what about younger babies? there's no egg components in the other vaccines that they're getting. i think what is important also is that, on the inserts, they have to list not just what's in the vaccine now, but also what was part of the vaccine when it was manufactured and it's not necessarily differentiated in the insert, so you get a whole bunch of stuff that is actually mentioned. but hardly any of it will be in the final product. assuming we were to go ahead and have our child vaccinated, it would then have its tetanus, polio, diphtheria. so why, when the whooping cough vaccine is offered to pregnant women, they are not then told that it has tetanus, diphtheria and polio within it as well?
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i think it's part of the conversation, that people should know exactly what vaccines they are having. i think the reason why it was done like that is because usually the adults don't go back for their tetanus vaccination. usually nobody bothers with diphtheria because everybody thinks it's no longer an issue. however, we've had large outbreaks in a refugee camp in bangladesh, as you've probably heard, from last year. there's lots of diphtheria in russia, so it's a disease that might come back to us. so that's quite a good idea. and then the third one is that the vaccine is already made in this combination. so it's more of an effort to make a vaccine that only has a pertussis component because you would literally make that vaccine just for the pregnancy. i also think that the whole issue of knowledge about vaccines between health care professionals, doctors and nurses is not good. i'm glad you've said that. yeah, it's not good. i'm glad you've recognised that. but, you know, if you ask the nurse who's giving the vaccines in the surgery what is exactly in that vaccine, he or she will not be able to tell you. that is exactly our point, i'm glad you've said that. and it's not good enough. thanks very much. so how are mark and victoria feeling? thank you. one thing that surprised me
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from today is actually how, you know, especially one of the experts was actually quite open in the fact that they don't feel that there's enough information out there for parents to make an informed decision. i think that's the big thing for me. yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. it's nice to have somebody in a professional role that actually, you know, agrees with something you're saying rather than trying to argue. he sleeps like me! we was leaning towards not getting the baby vaccinated, but now we've had this information today, i think we're dead down the middle now. hopefully — well, it'll have to be soon — we will be making a decision. in the 1990s, cool britannia was flying high and meg matthews was one of the brand's biggest ambassadors with her then husband noel gallagher. but the former music pr is now campaigning for better awareness around the menopause. she says when the menopause first started for her, she had no idea what had hit her. she's since set up a website aiming to provide information and support for women going through it. what is the menopause?
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it is a period when your periods stop. i would like to say there is a perimenopausal, menopausal and postmenopausal. postmenopausal is when you haven't had a period for exactly 12 months. menopause is when you have irregular periods and perimenopausal can start in your 30s for some women, one in thousand in your 40s, so that's when your hormones are all over the place, you're not feeling quite right, you have wobbly days, you feel depressed, just out of sorts. that's why i think people do not know because for me, the menopause was just the menopause. a hot flush and no periods. i had no knowledge of perimenopausal, menopause, postmenopausal. what were you experiencing? what symptoms of menopause were you experiencing? my symptoms were really bad anxiety, couldn't leave the house. really? mine were more mental symptoms. more about my mental state of mind.
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people say i'm having a middle—aged crisis, that's what it felt like. nothing about the menopause, i haven't had a hot flush, ok. i had the mirena coil, i didn't know i was having periods. you spot when you have a coil so you don't know, it's only when my partner pointed out to me, you haven't had a period for six months. i was like, really? all the other symptoms i was going through, there are 3a of them and i have to say i probably had 2a of them. there was a lot of those so that's why i want women to go to my website and if you're feeling out of sorts and something is not quite right, it's probably down to your hormones. lack of oestrogen makes you go crazy. you don't sleep properly. dry mouth syndrome. foggy brain. aching joints. your breasts get bigger. you feel nauseous. you get terrible migraines. everything you don't want to have you can have. you were actually in an aa meeting because you are a recovering alcoholic and someone came up to you and said i think you're going through the menopause. yes, i was in a meeting and that's why ijust love them so much you don't sleep properly.
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dry mouth syndrome. foggy brain. aching joints. your breasts get bigger. you feel nauseous. you get terrible migraines. everything you don't want to have you can have. you were actually in an aa meeting because you are a recovering alcoholic and someone came up to you and said i think you're going through the menopause. yes, i was in a meeting and that's why ijust love them so much because i shared in this meeting how you are feeling that day, and ijust said everything how i was feeling that day and when i left this lovely lady stopped me and she just said you know what, i think you have start of the menopause and i was like, really? everything you shared, anxious, anxiety, not sleeping, putting on weight, all these things... this was a fellow recoverer? yes, and i wasjust sharing how my day was, so this lady helped me and she said, go and get tested. so i did and i went to the nhs. and then... another thing she told me, there is such a thing
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as menopause clinics. 27 in the uk. a few in london. nhs? really? i've never heard of them. that's why i'm telling everyone! this lady in my meeting who pointed this out to me, and i went to my gp and i said i would like to go to the menopause clinic and they said, oh... you have to refer me. there you go. that's it for this week. and you can contact us at any time with your stories, e—mail us. and you can see more from our programme online. bbc.co.uk/victoria. we are back live monday morning, ten o'clock, bbc two and bbc news channel and online. thanks for watching.
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hello, chilly weather on the way for next week, it has not been particularly warm today mind you, underneath all the cloud, belatedly seeing sunshine developing, across england and wales, and of showers and longer spells of rain has been pushing in across the eastern side of england, heading across the midlands towards wales, north—west england, then north—west ireland. some breaks in the cloud, bit chilly, at long last breaking up the cloud in scotland. that means that it will turn cold in some rural areas, enough for a touch of frost. mist and fog will be slowly lifting tomorrow morning, we still have the zone of cloud and potential showers affecting the south—east of england, wales, and probably just affecting the south—east of england, wales, and probablyjust to the south of northern ireland. either side, sunshine coming through eventually, still cloudy, eastern coast of scotland and north—east england, chilly, some warmth in the
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