hello. it's wednesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. they're threatening major disruption of the capital next week in protest at climate change. this programme has been behind the scenes with extinction rebellion to meet the activists aiming to be arrested. simon mccoy don't want to speak my weekend in a police cell and i don't wa nt to weekend in a police cell and i don't want to be going more work to our overstretched and undervalued police force. but i don't feel like i had any other options. theresa may's off to brussels today to ask eu leaders to delay brexit until the 30th ofjune. but, at their emergency summit tonight, eu leaders are expected to say they want a longer extension — of up to a year. i don't want to see a delay for a year. the key with any delay is that we are able to terminate it once we

ratify in order to get a deal through parliament, ratify that agreement and leave the eu. i think thatis agreement and leave the eu. i think that is what the eu leaders want and what the prime minister wants. and "not anorexic enough". campaigners will deliver a petition to number ten today to try to stop people who have eating disorders from being told they're not underweight enough for treatment. we'll talk to hope virgo and hannah robinson — who have both had anorexia. hannah was told she was not underweight enough, even though she was existing on only a few calories a day. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. later we're going to talk to this 24—year—old — linford harris, a striker whose team walked off the pitch with him last weekend when he was subjected to racist abuse. we'll ask him what it's like when you realsie your team are doing that in solidarity. and manchester united and england legend paul parker is here too. when he was subjected to horrific

racist abuse in the 805, he never walked off a pitch nor wanted his team too either. what do you thnk players should do if they are the target of racist abuse? annita mcveigh has the news. the prime minister theresa may will address european leaders today ahead of an emergency summit in brussels, to ask them to agree an extension to the time before the uk leaves the eu. mrs may wants brexit delayed untiljune the 30th. but the european council president, donald tusk, is proposing a longer, flexible extension for up to a year, with the option of the uk leaving earlier if mps approve a deal. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu looks set to secure a fifth term in office — despite election results which have him on course to winning the same number of seats as his main challenger.

with nearly all the votes now counted, his right—wing likud party are likely to have 35 seats — the same as benny gantz‘s centrist blue and white alliance. but the outcome puts mr netanyahu in a stronger position to form a coalition government with other right—wing parties. a report says children battling mental health problems in england are facing a postcode lottery when it comes to accessing the help they need. a study by the children's commissioner anne longfield says spending on services for children with anxiety or depression has fallen by a third in some parts of england. the government said investing in children's mental health is a priority, but charities have called the situation "deeply concerning". the mayor of new york has declared a public health emergency in brooklyn to fight an outbreak of measles there. bill de blasio says residents who don't get vaccinated will be fined. the outbreak is concentrated in communities with large populations of ultra—orthodoxjews. some of them oppose vaccines on religious grounds. scientists are expected to reveal

later today the first ever images which will show a black hole — or at least, what amounts to its silhouette. it is impossible to see a black hole itself as not even light can escape from its gravitational pull. the images, constructed from data produced by telescopes around the world, are expected to show what's called the black hole‘s event horizon — the boundary beyond which all light is trapped. for the moment, we have to make do with these artists' impressions. a fulham football fan living in the us is suing the california department of motor vehicles after they refused to allow him to have the letters c—y—o—w on his car's number plate. university professor jonathan kotler says he has supported the london club for decades, and wanted to show his allegiance by using the letters which stand for come on you whites — fulham's shirt colour. but officials in california ruled that the slogan could have hostile racial connotations.

that is a summary of the main news today. they're the new protest group asking thousands of people to break the law. extinction rebellion is fighting climate change and has been making headlines over the last few months — very recently by stripping almost naked in the house of commons. they say 222 of their activists have been arrested so far. their latest plan is to blockade london next week, where they're asking people to camp in the capital — and they want more arrests to attract the attention of the government to their cause. our reporter catrin nye has been given access behind the scenes late night in east london, and this lot are illegally fly—posting. the idea is to really, really draw attention... these signs are being plastered all over the uk this week by a new protest group called extinction rebellion. so far they've shut down bridges, poured buckets of blood at downing street, blockaded the bbc

and stripped naked in parliament. controversially, they're fighting climate change by trying to get as many people arrested as possible. we've been filming behind the scenes with them. if you've been seeing what we did in the house of commons on monday... and finding out just why they're attracting so much attention. extinction! rebellion! hello and welcome to the age of catastrophe. orchestra! three, two, one... extinction rebellion formed last year and have quickly grown. they're decentralised — so all over the uk and the world at any time, they can be holding multiple actions and protests. make a sound for extinction rebellion!

we are a non—violent direct action to really close down, if it's possible, parts of london and the economic system here. it's early march and they're blocking traffic in central london, playing cat and mouse with the police. so the protesters are now doing little blockages — moving into the roads, stopping traffic for a bit. there's ten protesters now and 23 police officers following them. the consequences are you guys are going to get arrested for highway disruption. are you guys going to move? what do we want? future! and a few weeks later... are you happy to step over these young people? it's early morning in central london and these youth extinction rebellion protesters have glued themselves to the railings and are blocking the way into a fracking conference. if you're stopping members getting in to their club, it will be worse. like being held hostage by... you've chained yourself, i'm afraid.

no—one's chained you.. extinction rebellion have their headquarters in this slightly unexpected location — the top floor of a corporate building in euston. on the other floors are a construction company and a fashion brand. roger hallam is one of the founders of extinction rebellion. rebellion — last chance saloon. rebel. these are your various demands on the wall. tell the truth, yeah. the group have three core demands. that the government, as they put it, tell the truth about climate change, reduce carbon emissions to zero by 2025, and create something called a citizens‘ assembly to oversee doing this. how did you get this building? oh, that's an interesting story, isn't it? there's this guy who's been

in advertising all his life, decides he wants to give up hisjob, work for exr, so he goes to this corporate landlord and says, you know, "we're not going to be around in ten years." the corporate landlord says, "we know." and he says, "right, give us a building so we can do something about it. " so i've got the building effectively free. this is a sign of the times, isn't it? thye bleep themselves. roger researches how to bring about social change through radical movements. this movement is based upon research and there's two things that come out of that research — which is mass participation civil disobedience maximizes the chance of political change in this sort of context. it doesn't mean it's guaranteed. itjust means it's massively more likely to be effective than sending e—mails and doing conventional campaigning. and it's significantly more effective than using violence. why does getting arrested help your movement? why does it notjust mean you look like a bunch of troublemakers? well, we do look like a bunch of troublemakers and troublemakers change the world. so when they start calling you troublemaker, you're starting

to get some traction, right? i mean, if you're a trade union, everyone knows that — when you first go on strike, everyone is going, you know, "troublemakers". but then you have to state your case which is, if you don't get it sorted we're going to die. tonight at extinction rebellion hq they're prepping for an upcoming protest. is it going to stain your clothes? yes, it's going to stain absolutely blooming everything. good to know. once you're in the police station you have a right to legal advice, to speak to a solicitor. and then you can call another person. all arrestees, blood pourers. 0k? this is a training event for newjoiners. extinction rebellion are a non—violent action group. and here debate what actually counts as violent. kicking down the door and storming the stage at the conference.

you kick something down and you break something that wasn't broken before you were there, you're being a little violent. whatever the good cause, it's still violent. breaking down the door to go into a house that's on fire isn't against the law, and that's what we're doing. oi! what the bleep do you think you're doing?! they learn how to deal with angry members of the public — the people they're often in the way of on protest. shouting. and they learn what to do when arrested. the police officers are fit and they're trained to be able to move people like this. it's part of theirjob. if you are limp it's usually much more difficult to pick somebody up. do you really think ruining people's day, blocking their way to work is going to make them go, "great, i'm going to go and join those guys, those guys thatjust completely ruined my day."? yeah, it is. yeah. how? because the only way people change

is through getting upset. there's no change that's possible unless there's major emotional distress. and you can do that non—violently and you can do it violently, of course. and if you want to look at the literature in so much as i've done that and spent four years on it, it's a no—brainer. that's how society changes. today, extinction rebellion are headed to downing street in london. the demo's called blood of our children because they've got fake blood to cover the streets with. it's 31—year—old lorna greenwood's first time demonstrating with the group. i don't feel comfortable breaking the law. i'd rather not be taking part in these kinds of tactics, but i'm speaking from experience, someone that's tried lots of other things. i been on marches, i've written e—mails, i've made lifestyle changes and amazing things are happening around the world — particularly in communities where people are being affected by this, you know, in a very real way. but it'sjust not happening fast enough. as a pregnant woman, it shows how seriously i take it.

this is the stuff they're chucking. it's pretty gruesome. what is the exact offence that chucking this will be? it's criminal damage. one of the things you can't miss on this demo is all the press — there are camera crews absolutely everywhere, journalists everywhere. and that is exactly what extinction rebellion want. they want the press covering them, talking about them, people finding out they exist. i don't want to be standing here six—months pregnant and breaking the law. i don't want to spend my weekend in a police cell and i don't want to be giving more work to our overstretched and undervalued police force. but i don't feel like i have any other options. so one of the rumours going round the crowd now is that there might actually not be arrests — police might not actually arrest people.

which... yeah. would be...very much not the plan. annoying for you. annoying. the whole point of this... the whole point is to get arrested. come from manchester to get arrested, so... to that man's displeasure, there were in fact no arrests at this demo. the police don't always give extinction rebellion that they want. i'm farhana yamin, and i'm an associate fellow at chatham house. i was also previously an international climate change lecturer. have you been arrested yet? not yet but i hope to be. you want to be. i'm willing to be. it's... i'm willing to be. you know, write less books and be out on the street and protest and be ready to, you know, pay that sacrifice. it's also, like, i've got four kids and the oldest one, every year she gets older and i feel, what's the progress that's been made? you know. all that time i spent as a young lawyer in

a profession away from her — what does that count for? how many people do you want to get arrested? want to go to prison? what do you think will make a difference? well, it's very difficult to tell, but somewhere in the thousands and you're in the game park of getting in the room with the government, i would have thought. the police will go to government and say, "we're not doing this any more." they're not there to start arresting 84—year—old grannies or 10—year—old kids. there's got to be a political solution to this. extinction rebellion is growing — just a month ago these meetings at their london hq had a couple of dozen people in them. now their recruits are spilling out of the door. people are listening. iiam, parliament square — as you know, we're all meeting there. on april 15th, the group plan to blockade london in their biggest action yet. they say they will sit in the streets until politicians listen, too.

let's talk now to skeena rathor from extinction rebellion who is also a labour councillor in stroud, and ella whelan, a writer and journalist. ella — what do you make of the approach of extinction rebellion? well, stunt protests can be very effective. i've taken part in some myself. it is right to say that the point of a protest is to disrupt. so the whinging attitude that says you are making people angry, or you are causing a fuss, that is what you do when you go to protests. the problem for me is, at this point, it's quite clear that extinction rebellion does not have the support of the masses. it is not a mass movement in terms of the politics of a lot of what they are arguing. that would be to they are arguing. that would be to the detriment of many working class people in this country. you canjust ta ke people in this country. you canjust take a look across the pond at what

is happening in france, the yellow vest protests against fuel taxes, against the kind of green energy policies that negatively affect the poon policies that negatively affect the poor. the charges that have come in in london, essentially it means people like my husband, my father, are losing their vehicles and livelihood. so it is the politics that matter. this might sound unfair, buti that matter. this might sound unfair, but i think to some people it seems like a kind of middle—class virtue signalling, instead of actually a serious politics that wa nts to actually a serious politics that wants to change the world. middle virtue signalling? i think this is about children's lives. middle-class children? all children's lives. every single one. i've had the privilege to hold many a child as a teacher, having three children and lots of nieces and nephews, and we are in an emergency. we are a global emergency, oui’ are in an emergency. we are a global emergency, our house

are in an emergency. we are a global emergency, our house is on fire. i am here as a mother. it's the easter holidays, i want to be at home with my children. but the fact is, my children might not see adulthood, your children might not. that is why we exist. do you accept that point? you say it is to the detriment of working class lives, there may not bea working class lives, there may not be a life for our children?” working class lives, there may not be a life for our children? i have read some of the things that extinction rebellion are about, they say our children will be living in hell. quite a lot of children are living in hell already, life is not great for people at the moment.“ not a reason not to protest about climate change? i think everybody accepts climate change? i think everybody a cce pts we climate change? i think everybody accepts we need to deal carefully and logically about how we deal with the future going forward. i think it isa the future going forward. i think it is a deeply political issue that needs political solutions. the alarmist approach of saying we are all going to die, the house on fire, the politics of fear, it serves to either give totally token policies

that don't do any good, but also the alarmist things that are knee jerk, which means that we don't do the key thing, which is make lives better as well as make the planet better. the knee jerk view really interests me. i don't understand what is knee jerk about hundreds of scientific reports saying we could be entering a mass extinction. yes, it is not about fear, we all have a survival instinct, we want to survive, we wa nt instinct, we want to survive, we want our children to survive, we will do what it takes as mothers and as politicians, as teachers, as academics and doctors, the wide range of people that are involved in extinction rebellion, we will do what it takes to say to people let's please come together and confront this emergency. i can't actually do this emergency. i can't actually do this without ella and her political solutions and her goodwill, and collaborating with her. i can't do it without the bbc. we have to do

this together. the uk government might argue they are doing that, they arejoining 18 might argue they are doing that, they are joining 18 other countries that have committed to reaching the net to zero emissions by 2050. they have also set aside 160 million to help transition into clean energy systems, the pledge for new car sales, half diesel car sales by 2030, to push new car sales that a hybrid or electric. that commits us to death and extinction. it is not quick enough? it's not, the urgency and scale is not there. that is why lam and scale is not there. that is why i am willing to be arrested. it is not being taken seriously.“ i am willing to be arrested. it is not being taken seriously. if you we re not being taken seriously. if you were to be arrested, even if you we re were to be arrested, even if you were arrested with 100 other extinction rebellion members. thousands now, victoria. we have over 1000 people that are willing to be arrested. but they haven't been yet. we are five months old, it is

to come. you have a few hundred members. 200 chapters across the world. chapters, what does that mean? groups, in 26 countries. if you are arrested next week, alongside even 100, they may be 200 other people, but how will it get politicians to listen? in terms of arrest, like you have just heard, the police don't want to arrest people that are there for the sake of the love of the planet. but if you do get your wish to be arrested, why will it make anybody listen? you do get your wish to be arrested, why will it make anybody listen7m terms of making people listen, it is about drawing focus to the crisis, to the emergency. and we have been talking to a lot of politicians. i myself, we have a political strategy team that have been speaking to politicians. we want to create the

appetite for a citizens assembly. that is our third demand. that will create the focus, we hope, for a political solution that we all need. would you be interested in being in that assembly? that is an interesting point, iam that assembly? that is an interesting point, i am confused about that. as i understand it, extinction rebellion is anti brexit. the discussion about climate change, one of the things it needs is the sense of a democratic approach. absolutely. is friendly advice for those that are concerned about climate change, the way to go forward in enacting political change ona forward in enacting political change on a mass scale is to get on—board with the biggest democratic mandate at the moment, and be inspired by the push that brexit encapsulates for me. a more democratic approach to politics. the problem that extension rebellion has... to politics. the problem that extension rebellion has. . ij to politics. the problem that extension rebellion has... i don't understand your link between brexit and climate change? the problem climate change, as extinction

rebellion, i would agree with them, it is fundamentally undemocratic. the decisions and climate are not in the hands of the people. elected politicians? they are doing some things and they could do some things better. the tokenistic policies, i think they should be scrapped, and better policies put forward. you have to have a sense of getting people on board with this. at the moment, extinction rebellion smells a bit ofa moment, extinction rebellion smells a bit of a middle—class pastime, fetishising arrest. there is nothing exciting about being arrested. i know people that have been arrested, i have been on protests, it is not the way to go about engaging a mass audience. it is for show, not political movements. a tweet, let's hope they don't hold up traffic and delay ambulances rushing life emergencies to a&e. that is a possibility? we are very responsive. you would move out of the way? absolutely, we seek to keep people

safe. was custodians of the planet we continue to destroy things that matter the most. another says i hope they are paying to clear up the mess, how many of them drive cars, drink bottled water, go abroad on planes? we are all complicit in a syste m planes? we are all complicit in a system that is breaking us. that is destroying us. we all have personal responsibility in this. but... are you hypocrites? are you a hypocrite? what defines a hypocrite? we are doing our best. as human beings. another says it is crazy we are devoting more oxygen and energy to brexit than important issues like climate change. the plan for next week is what? one april to 15th, we have at least one week's worth of rebellion in central london. it is going to be such a celebration of life. we will have stages across four different locations, the meeting point is the statue in

piccadilly circus. there will be events of all kinds. it sounds like a festival. it will be a festival atmosphere. there will be disruption as well. sitting in roads? we hope we cause enough disruption for london to stop and stare. thank you both very much. still to come... "not anorexic enough." campaigners will deliver a petition to number ten today to try to stop people who have eating disorders from being told they're not underweight enough for treatment. there's an emergency eu summit tonight — where eu leaders will decide whether to grant an extension to the brexit process. theresa may wants one until the 30th ofjune. but the president of the european council, donald tusk, says it would better to delay for up

to a year — with conditions. let's talk to our europe correspondent, damian grammaticas. they will definitely give her a delay, won't they? it seems like yes. that is what all of the signals are, that nobody wants to push the uk out at this point with no deal, so uk out at this point with no deal, so they are looking at an extension, but the debate is for how long and what conditions attached. what might the conditions be? well, the first condition, which i think has been talked about for a long time, eve ryo ne talked about for a long time, everyone knows about it, that the uk has to hold the european elections on may the 23rd, so if no deal has been done and ratified in parliament by that stage, the first condition would be, on may the 23rd, the uk would be, on may the 23rd, the uk would have to hold the elections. we know the word from donald tusk was

that if they don't meet that condition, he is proposing there should be an automatic exit on the 1st ofjune. should be an automatic exit on the 1st of june. that should be an automatic exit on the 1st ofjune. that would be a hard post if they agree with the condition. the next thing will be about good behaviour, about the uk, if it stays in the eu, which it would do with an extension, and can still vote in all of the meetings, the councils, the leader meetings, that it uses that vote in a constructive way, not in a way to be disruptive and blocking, and try to force new concessions. so, there might be some sort of agreement that they try to seek to make about good behaviour, being a good citizen. and that would be key, i think, for countries like the french, who are worried. and then there is a discussion about whether there will be signposts along the way, whether there will be little tests to see if there will be little tests to see if

the uk has met the conditions. do we think it is ok to keep it in could come at the end ofjune, perhaps, or possibly later. they would be marking the uk's homework, if you like. the leaders are concerned if they give a very long extension, then they don't know what sort of behaviour the uk might undertake if it stays a member for a long behaviour the uk might undertake if it stays a memberfor a long time, potentially with a new prime minister, new parliament, all sorts of unknowns. thank you very much. the chairman of a non—league football club says it's a joke that his club has been fined for abandoning a game after his goalkeeper was racially abused on the pitch. padiham fc, near burnley, which is in the north west counties league, will have to pay £165 after an investigation by the lancashire and cheshire fa led to the club being charged with misconduct. we'll talk to the chairman in a moment. there've been a number of racist

incidents at the highest level of football over the last few weeks, with england's danny rose saying he "can't wait to see the back of football" because of fans‘ racism, whereas raheem sterling said he thought the best way to deal with racists is to score a goal and win the game. and then in the amateur game too, one player in leicetershire last week was the target of alleged racist abuse after he'd been sent off. his team—mates subsequently followed him off the pitch and the game was abandoned. let's talk to him — he's linford harris. also here is the chairman of padiham fc, shaun astin — fined by the local fa because their players walked off the pitch, they say because of racist abuse. and paul parker, the former manchester united and england legend, who experienced racist abuse during his career. but never walked off i never would have considered it. linford, you are

the captain of wymeswold fc, you are about to take a penalty and what you say you had before the referee blew the whistle. i was composing myself to ta ke the whistle. i was composing myself to take the penalty and i heard this chanting, saying "you black... b—word" and so i stood there, i am looking around, i have a second to compose myself to take a penalty and it has been saved and then after that, you could hear it on video what he said, so ijust needed a bit of help really, i went to the official and he said he hasn't heard anything. as in the referee? yes, the referee said he hadn't heard anything so i didn't know what to do at this point, so the game has gone on and that is when tempers started getting high and the crowd is going crazy. and you got sent off because you got involved in a challenge. tackle with their player, i received a red card and they got the yellow, but as i did that have a go, and he

said, "typical black man, ruining everything again," that is what the abuser shouted and this is in front of at least 100 on his side. so you went off, got changed, came back out and what happened ? went off, got changed, came back out and what happened? as i got sent off, he said get that black c—word of, and as i came out, i saw the player sent off walking to the dressing room because retaliating to the abuser, questioning in. that is one of your team—mates? the abuser, questioning in. that is one of your team-mates? yes, got sent off, didn't really give him a valid reason why so as i have gone around to my family and friends to speak about what has happened, the abuser was there and an altercation went off and that is when the players ran over, i made the players aware of what has happened and we decided as one that it was not a cce pta ble decided as one that it was not acceptable and we had to walk off. what is it like when you hear

someone what is it like when you hear someone abuse what is it like when you hear someone abuse you what is it like when you hear someone abuse you in that way?m what is it like when you hear someone abuse you in that way? it is the lowest feeling. i have never witnessed it before but it was open racism, didn't know where to go, what to do. i needed support from my team—mates and they showed it, really, because i didn't have it... what did it feel like when you realise your team would come out with you? it felt nice but i couldn't get the bad feelings out from what i had suffered. and you say as a result of what you suffered last week and the fact that you were the result of that abuse, that has led you to make what decision about football? to quit, entirely quit, because i can't go through that again. it was literally so low, i didn't know what to do with myself. iam finding didn't know what to do with myself. i am finding that speaking about it is making it worse at home, you don't want to talk to your family about receiving abuse. let me bring in sean astin, do you think your tea m in sean astin, do you think your team was fined for taking a stand against racism? in our opinion, we

walked off because our goalkeeper tony aghayere was being racially abused by some people behind the goals at both ends of the perch in the first half. —— the pitch. we weren't aware of it. we have been fined by the lfa for abandoning the game, whether it was a racism or something else and i find that totally wrong in this day and age. i think that the rules should be changed. the referee was put in a situation where he said he can't make the decision, it was our decision to abandon the game and the players were in such a state, that we decided to walk off and then took the fine. what do you think of that fine? well, for us, £165 is a lot of money, for a non—league football club. i heard neil warnock last week on talk sport saying that if it happened to his players, he would

ta ke happened to his players, he would take them off the field. now, cardiff or any take them off the field. now, cardiff orany premier take them off the field. now, cardiff or any premier league club or afl club would be able to afford that. to us, it is a big cost and we have got to find a lot of money from volunteers and sponsors to pay that money back for nothing, really, because we haven't really done anything, we were the ones who had suffered. and it is not about us, it is like linford said, that crowd are right next to the pitch and there is an altercation, they could jump over the barriers. in non—league, you can't afford to have police there and paid stewards like you do at premier league games or efl games. so it is a safety issue, a welfare issue? it could end up like that, we have got to educate people. that is the big thing. paul, you never walked from the pitch when you were the target of racist abuse, you were playing at the elite level. is it different when it comes to the amateur game? it is 10096

different when it comes to the amateur game? it is 100% different, amateur game? it is 10096 different, i have been saying that for a long, long time. all the talk is about premier league, premier league. excuse me, i have a frog in my throat. we actually have some water for once. i have managed at non—league and i got a few things said to me and i know how difficult it is. the moment i heard linford's story, i could relate to it straightaway. it was tough for me but it was easier because i had the stadium around me, a good perimeter around me, stewards around, but still, it wasn't so much that i wasn't going to get people racing on the pitch to me, but it was a terrible feeling and my whole thing, andl terrible feeling and my whole thing, and i think the black players in my time who were playing in the late 19805, time who were playing in the late 1980s, we were brought up, we had the desire to play football and no one was ever going to take that away. so a minority was never going to win that battle to stop me playing football or to get me to walk away. what do you think about linford saying he is quitting?|j

linford saying he is quitting?” personally think it is madness. i have been sitting there with one of his family members and a friend and they are telling me how good he is andl they are telling me how good he is and i think it is a waste, because you are giving in to people, allowing them to affect your life, affect your love of something that you want to do. even at his age of 24, he wants to go on even further in the game, wants to go and score more goals, so why is he allowing a minority to ruin their desire for him to take away something he would love to do? yeah, i totally agree, like a says, it is easier for professionals, they have the setup, everything around him, but, for me, waiting, there are idiots everywhere, get this, which is why we are in the situation at the moment and i feel like we are in the situation at the moment and ifeel like if i go back playing, it only takes that one idiot to know what i have been through and it that one comment and then, like i said, i don't want to go through that again. he has spoken

some wise words to me and it has helped me and of course, i love the game and! helped me and of course, i love the game and i want to play but i can't risk putting myself through that again. especially at a young age. but what should happen, this is what i never understand, whether it is at the top level or in the amateur game, there is a referee. ok, the referee doesn't hear it so a linesman or a steward or someone in the crowd says, "actually, mate..." and then the referee makes the decision. in a premier league stadium, cameras everywhere, it should be relatively straightforward to pinpoint whoever it is and get them out. 200 people at your game, you knew exactly who it was, it would not have been beyond the realms of possibility to check back at lhr came out. -- chucking out. where he was standing, the linesman is right behind him, he has heard it, and so has the hundred people around me and he said it is bang out of order, that is all he said, as an official. he should be flagging the referee down, he said he hadn't

heard it, and show their support. let me bring sean astin back in, what if your team continued to regularly here racist abuse? would you walk off every week?” regularly here racist abuse? would you walk off every week? i don't think it would get to that stage but we need some support. if linford carries on playing now, he should get some support from somewhere but if he flashes and retaliates at somebody in the crowd, what happens to him then, when we already know he is in to him then, when we already know he isina to him then, when we already know he is in a situation, his state of mind? what happens then to him? it is not fair, is it, really? that is true. lancashire and cheshire fa gave us this statement on the padiham incident. we continue to edge clubs to report incidents or actions that fall under the

discriminatory offences. we would encourage all those present to provide their observations by e—mailing us and we would investigate all allegations relating to this game and take the necessary disciplinary action. paul, what do you think of what both danny rowe said last week and what raheem sterling has said this week? well, raheem sterling has said something that a lot of players in my time, we all believed in. it didn't cross my mind everto all believed in. it didn't cross my mind ever to walk off. i had a choice, am i going to stop playing foot ball choice, am i going to stop playing football or am i going to do something which i primed myself to do from the moment i played my first game at seven? had i reached where i wanted to be? no, i wanted to go further, so i wasn't going to let anyone take that away. a lot of ba rca players anyone take that away. a lot of barca players are like that. —— matt black players. when i look at danny rose, i would say, black players. when i look at danny rose, iwould say, no, you black players. when i look at danny rose, i would say, no, you shouldn't be feeling that way, you are doing something you love to do, you should

never feel that way and i found that a strange comment, to be perfectly honest. that the abuse that you say you received last week, it is the kind of thing that you got in the 19805. kind of thing that you got in the 1980s. this is britain in 2019, what do you think about the fact that, again, it is a minority but it doesn't really matter to you whether it isa doesn't really matter to you whether it is a minority or not, the impact is the same and it is still going on decades later. it does make you wonder. all that has happened really is it has gotten smaller. when you are talking about going to grounds and you are playing away and it is 30,000 people away from home and you know there are say, may be, 15,000 who are singing songs about the colour of your skin, it is not a nice feeling but you know things have cut down. we keep talking about the premier league. the problem is foot ball the premier league. the problem is football seems to have been forgotten below the premier league. there are bigger issues happening below and people aren't talking

about it. well, we are and i'm very grateful that you have come in a programme. this text says i think it isa programme. this text says i think it is a really difficult decision for a player to make. why should they be subjected to any kind of abuse? but on the other hand it could be argued that walking off gives the racist abuse are what they want. michael e—mails this, i think the whole team should get behind a player that is the subject of racist abuse and all should walk off in solidarity and if it is found to be true that racism was said or used, the team that so that they should be awarded an insta nt that they should be awarded an instant win. jeff says that i think if incidents are ignored, unless it is seriously bad, if you showed it isn't going to affect you and your ability to play, the people responsible would either give up or hopefully the fans will tire of it. again, that kinda puts the responsibility on you. michael says there is, footballers should walk off because actions speak than words. yeah, well, the thing is for me, people at our level, some of us

are paid to play, this is what we do, this is what we love, we are willing to do it for the sport but raheem sterling's comments, they are a bit irrelevant to us because it is a bit irrelevant to us because it is a totally different level. when you drop below the premier league, that is it, you are nothing, basically. we are not fellow professionals. danny rose has got six or seven yea rs danny rose has got six or seven years but i can't do six or seven seconds, because i can't risk that one comment. i am 24, i was speaking to paul, he was a big influence on me and has helped me a lot but that is how it is in our day and age, it is how it is in our day and age, it is that we are going to keep suffering. we have got to talk more because someone suffering. we have got to talk more because someone like me talking, i've got thousands of messages, people opening up to me. it is not right, it shouldn't take someone like me for people to be opening up and talking about this situation. it is sad and that is why i will continue to do so. thank you very much and i'm really glad we got you two together. thank you, paul,, thank you, linford and thank you,

shaun for coming on the programme. and to keep your messages coming in. a school in walsall has employed someone to change the pupils‘ nappies — because so many pupils are starting school without being toilet—trained. are you a teacher who's come across this? obviously it is easter holidays for many of us so many teachers will be watching. or are you a parent who's struggled to get your child potty trained before they go to school? strap) do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. campaigners will deliver a petition to number 10 today to try to stop people who have eating disorders from being told they're not underweight enough for anorexia treatment. the petition has over 70,000 signatures and calls for better enforcement of the guidelines that dictate how the nhs assesses people

with eating disorders across england and wales. campaigners also want better training for gps. one million people across the uk have an eating disorder and 90% of them are women. on average, it takes people 58 weeks to seek help and a further 27 before they can receive treatment from their gp. but many are being turned away without any support whatsoever, because their weight and their bmi falls within "acceptable levels". we first reported on this issue in july 2015, when we metjo and julia. both were turned away from eating disorder services for not being "anorexic enough". to be allowed to get to a stage where you have to be, you know, given days to live, to be classed as ill enough to need inpatient treatment, just isn't... to me, itjust doesn't make sense.

it was only when they couldn't actually detect your heartbeat they became really worried. it made me feel like they were just telling me, well, you haven't lost enough weight. you know, you're... this isjust another thing that you're not good enough at. and so itjust pushed me to decide, ok, i need to do better, i need to lose more weight. let's talk now to hope virgo, who launched a campaign after she was told her bmi wasn't low enough to get treatment. hannah robinson said she was refused treatment for an eating disorder because her bmi wasn't low enough. wera hobhouse is here, a labourmp wasn't low enough. wera hobhouse is here, a labour mp backing the campaign and is also calling for waiting time targets for adults with eating disorders, which don't exist. and doctor philip ok is a gp. thank you all for coming on the programme.

—— mike philippa k. hope, you were refused treatment despite being hospitalised for anorexia in the past. how did that make you feel? awful. i had been in in 2016 and struggled for and send got referred to an eating disorder unit in south east london and when i was told i wasn't thin enough and underweight enough, that whole anorexic mindset com pletely enough, that whole anorexic mindset completely set in and i felt like a failure and! completely set in and i felt like a failure and i felt like completely set in and i felt like a failure and ifelt like i had let eve ryo ne failure and ifelt like i had let everyone down and i was rubbish at being anorexic. and what language did they use chris dimarco they said my bmi wasn't under. —— what language did they use?” my bmi wasn't under. —— what language did they use? i know there are funding issues, i had been through the service once already but for the fact that i was so desperate for the fact that i was so desperate for that help in preventative treatment, that i wouldn't end up backin treatment, that i wouldn't end up back in hospital, it was ridiculous to be turned away for not being underweight. hannah, you relapsed when you were at university. what happens when you went to your gp?”

we nt happens when you went to your gp?” went to my gp and said i had been struggling for a while. i had been to the unique counselling services and because i had previously had anorexia and had been discharged from the child adolescent mental health service, i said i had been through that, i know i need help and they said similar things as they did to hope, your bmi is acceptable, we can't do anything. all they did was offer to have my blood pressure taken and my weight, which is a physical symptom. anorexia is a mental illness and they were just focusing on that. so itjust sent me into... my whole year of uni, i spent being self—destructive and i will get to that low weight so i can get help, because what else can i do? iwas get help, because what else can i do? i was lucky enough that i have really supportive friends and family and they pulled me up out of that and they pulled me up out of that andl and they pulled me up out of that and i did manage to get better on my own but some people aren't that lucky. some people don't have that support and then where are they going to go, where art are they doing to —— what are they going to

do? philippa, why are some gps and medical professionals saying this?” don't think it is because people aren't necessarily aware of the guidance, the nice is very clear, it doesn't have a number for bmi to refer for outpatient or inpatient.” have the guidance here, there are many, have the guidance here, there are any have the guidance here, there are many, many things they should be looking at, not just many, many things they should be looking at, notjust the bmi. i'm really shocked that gps aren't aware of the guidance. there is always an issue about training but i think lots of us are, the issue that we haveis lots of us are, the issue that we have is that there is nowhere for us to go. so i can do a referral and you can wait for six months, you can wait for a year or it can be rejected. that is not a reason to not refer someone. rejected. that is not a reason to not refer someone. absolutely and so we do refer. if you are so unwell that you need hospital admission and i refer you to the local unit, they may say they are not fit to come because it is a psychiatric unit and the medics will say they can't come to us because it is a psychiatric condition, so nobody wants anybody

and we as gps are stuck treating people when we are not disorder specialists, without there being enough services to refer to. in the whole of cambridgeshire, there are 16 eating disorder beds.” whole of cambridgeshire, there are 16 eating disorder beds. i don't doubt that there aren't enough services out there. can ijust check with both of you, were... i mean, you talked about no mental health assessment being made but where any other questions asked, looking at the other guidance, about other problems, social withdrawal, reports from family members to the gp, suggesting there had been changes in your eating behaviour? these are all things gps and medics should be looking at. other restrictive eating practices, atypical dental ware. looking at. other restrictive eating practices, atypical dental ware” was 26 when i relapsed and my mum came with me to the referral to make sure i was 100% honest. came with me to the referral to make sure i was 10096 honest. so you ticks

a lot of boxes or the gp hadn't checked them? i checked all the boxes and when i was weighed, it was a no—brainer. boxes and when i was weighed, it was a no-brainer. so it was the weight issue that clinched it. and i know there is an issue with beds but what we are really asking for is that if the guidelines are implemented properly and there is better gp training and more understanding at a societal level, then we will prevent people ending up in hospital in beds and have more community support in place and that is what we need when it comes to things like eating disorders and mental health more broadly. as i said in the introduction, we have been reporting on this forfour you introduction, we have been reporting on this for four you is nothing seems to have changed. as a politician, what can you do, what do you want? first of all, it is absolutely about understanding that this is mental health condition and a deteriorating physical health is an outcome, but it is a mental health condition and the earlier we get there, the better we can help in

the much quicker we can actually get treatment. i find it the much quicker we can actually get treatment. ifind it a the much quicker we can actually get treatment. i find it a tragedy that we have so many millions of people suffering from it and it isn't actually just about women, it suffering from it and it isn't actuallyjust about women, it is men as well, it is all ages and yet only as well, it is all ages and yet only a third get better, a third stay the same and that is bad enough and a third get worse. so it is about early intervention, about understanding the condition as soon asagp understanding the condition as soon as a gp comes in contact with a sufferer and being able to put people into the right direction for treatment, but also not abandoning people once they have recovered and watching over a longer period of time what actually happened to sufferers of an eating disorder. obviously, what you want sounds really sensible and logical. philippa, why is that early intervention, do you think you happening when someone turns up at a gp? because i have nowhere to go. i would love to be able to refer and very quickly see an eating ordered

—— disorder specialist, diet allergies, psychiatrist, but it is not there. you have said twice there is nowhere for you to refer to so what would you do if you were presented with hope or hannah when they had...? of course, we do refer but the services either have a very long wait or they are very stretched, so we have to hold people in that sort of waiting period and one of the ways we do that is to ask them to come back and see us and thatis them to come back and see us and that is not always easy and i can't guarantee you are not seeing the same person. so can i ask you, you said at the beginning, sometimes gps aren't aware of the guidance and all the various things you need to assess and looking at the weight, do you think there might be some gps who are only looking at the waiter because there is no to refer, because there is no to refer, because there is no to refer, because there are no resources and because there are no resources and because it is almost easier to reject somebody on weight grounds

because of the issues?” reject somebody on weight grounds because of the issues? i think the gps are often held up as the gatekeepers for secondary care and tertiary care, and that is notjust what we do. of course, there are always issues around training and education and we need to do those. i think as gps, we often feel very powerless as how to help and how to manage during that holding on waiting period. i think the most important thing about this campaign is understanding how we work together, which is why the campaigners and parliamentarians, gps and organisations need to work together. i think we need to take it as an emergency. this is why awareness raising in schools and families, doctors surgeries, that is what we need to do at this particular point and i am staggered that his campaign has been ultimately going, and in the media as well, for over four years and yet we haven't made any difference. with the headline that eating disorders have the highest mortality of any psychiatric illness. do you

understand some of the justification from philippa about the gps? yes, and i'm doing work with gps and mental health trusts around the country and i know there are funding issues and i can't imagine how difficult it is not knowing where to send someone or refer someone difficult it is not knowing where to send someone or refer someone onto but what send someone or refer someone onto but what i would like to see happening with front line staff and gps, whether it is dentists, gps, gyms, wherever people come into contact with people who can spot signs of eating disorders, it is about what you should or shouldn't be saying, so not focusing so much on things like weight, having the honest conversation with individuals, reminding them that you know it is a mental illness, not just physical, and probably thinking about whether there is anything you can refer them on to, whether it is things like pro recovery blogs, so you can give that individual some kind of guidance and something to work towards where they believe they can get to the point and recover.

james has sent this text, my daughter was quite turned away from the gp looking to help at university —— back twice. she ended up being admitted to hospital as an emergency case as she was seriously ill and we we re case as she was seriously ill and we were close to losing hair. happily, after a year of treatment, she is much better and progressing well on a long recovery road. it is a mental health issue and not addressed properly. thank you very much all of you for coming on the programme and good luck. a school in walsall has employed someone to change nappies because so many pupils aren't toilet—trained, according to a local conservative councillor. chris towe — who has responsibility for education on walsall council — says it's not acceptable that five—year—olds are wearing nappies and it's just one of lots of examples of children starting school without basic skills. let's talk now to chris towe — cabinet member for education at walsall council, and juliette randall, chief executive of eric, the children's bowel

and bladder charity. thank you very much for coming on the programme. chris, first of all, who has been employed and what specifically will they be doing with what age children? this was an infa nt what age children? this was an infant school i met a few months ago and it is an issue that has been testing me for some time, the readiness of children coming into school and head teachers saying they are 2—3 years behind where they should be, including being able to go to the toilet and having to be helped. so what has this particular school done? they have had to employ somebody. they have so many children who have to have their nappies changed and be taken to the toilet, they have decided to employ someone. that is the fact of life and this is happening across the borough in other schools, from primary schools three years upwards and, clearly, the teachers are there to teach. let

me bring in juliet, the teachers are there to teach. let me bring injuliet, because we are rushing towards the end of the programme. sorry, ok. no, it is my fault. i sympathise with chris very, very strongly. we did a survey which was released only this year with the national day nursery association and 70% of people working in early years settings say that children are definitely being toilet trained much later. what are some of the explanations for that in your view? there are a number but the biggest reason cited our lifestyles have changed and parents are very, very busy so we have got many more children spending more time in daycare, parents are working. many more children live in homes where perhaps mum is in one home and dad is in anotherand perhaps mum is in one home and dad is in another and they are split parents with split responsibilities, which means there isn't anybody taking a consistent approach to toilet training. that is the biggest issue but another issue is that nappies have become extremely absorbent and it is very difficult to tell the signs when a child is actually able to be toilet trained,

because the nappy looks dry and children themselves aren't necessarily picking up the issues. finally, chris, how do you react, we have literally seconds, in a word head you react to the fact that someone head you react to the fact that someone has been employed to change nappies and an infant school?” think it is terrible, five—year—old children having to be toilet had by an adult, i think is appalling. but there is a bigger issue, i would like to talk to you at some other time about the bigger issues. absolutely, thank you both. bbc newsroom lives next. have a good day. —— bbc newsroom live. good morning. we have got quite a bit of cloud at the moment across southern parts of england and across the east of england. some cloud has been moving its way in from the north sea. a cloud in the south will tend to clear away, there will be a few sunny spells here and it will stay cloudy across northern england and eastern scotland but elsewhere, dry

and bright with lengthy spells of sunshine and still did the east or north—easterly wind, which will still make it feel quite chilly, particularly around the north sea coasts. temperature 7—9, elsewhere up coasts. temperature 7—9, elsewhere up to 10—13dc. through tonight, a bit of cloud moving in across eastern parts but otherwise, for most of us, there will be some clear skies tonight and that will allow temperatures to fall away quite sharply. in fact, there will be some frost across much of england and way is in dublin to southern areas of scotland, temperatures down to —1, -2. scotland, temperatures down to —1, —2. so a bit of a cold start on thursday but for most of us, another dry day with plenty of sunshine. once again, some cloud across many eastern parts of the uk. bye for now.

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