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this is bbc news, i'm lukwesa burak. the headlines at five: more than 70 mps and peers sign a letter urging the government to ensure julian assange faces authorities in sweden — if they want his extradition. over the next half an hour we will bring you some of the exclusive an investigation's underway following the death of a ten—year—old boy who was attacked by a dog journalism we have brought you in at a holiday park in cornwall. the last week. extinction rebellion is fighting climate change and has police in london arrest a man after opening fire been making headlines over the last on a car that drove few months. recently by stripping into the ukrainian ambassador's almost naked in the house of official vehicle outside the embassy commons. now they are threatening to — the incident is not being treated blockade london. as terror—related. doctors celebrate late night in east london and this a new type of medicine — called ‘gene silencing' — used to reverse a disease that lot are illegally flyposting. the leaves people in crippling pain. signs are being plastered all over a dutch fertility doctor the uk this week by a new protest is found to have used his own sperm group called extinction rebellion. so far, they've shut down bridges, poured buckets of blood at downing street, blockaded the bbc, and stripped naked in parliament.
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co ntroversially, stripped naked in parliament. controversially, they are fighting climate change by trying to get as many people arrested as possible. we've been filming behind—the—scenes with them. if you've been seeing what we did at the house of commons on monday... and finding outjust why they are attracting so much attention. hello and welcome to the aid of catastrophe orchestra. three, two, one! extinction rebellion formed last year and have quickly grown. they are decentralised so they are all over the world and can hold multiple actions and protests. make a sound for extinction rebellion. we are trying to show
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that direct action can close down a possible... it is early march and they are blocking traffic in london, playing cat and mouse with the police. the protesters a re police. the protesters are doing little blockages, stopping to traffic for a bit, there are ten protesters now and 23 police officers following them. the consequences are that you skies will get arrested. are you going to move off the road now? what do we want? the future! a few weeks later... you are happy to step over these young people... so, it is early morning in central london and these use extinction rebellion protesters have glued themselves to the railings and are blocking the way into a fracking conference. extinction rebellion have their headquarters in this slightly
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unexpected location, the top floor ofa unexpected location, the top floor of a corporate building in houston. on the other floors are a construction company and a fashion brand. —— euston. roger helen is one of the founders of extinction rebellion. and these are your various demands on the wall? the group have three core demands, that the government tell the truth about climate change, reduce carbon emissions to zero by 2025 and create something called a citizens assembly to oversee doing this. how did you get this building? that is an interesting story, isn't it? there is this guy who has been advertising all his life, he decided he wanted to quit hisjob all his life, he decided he wanted to quit his job so all his life, he decided he wanted to quit hisjob so he goes all his life, he decided he wanted to quit his job so he goes to this corporate and says we are not going to be around in ten years in the corporate landlord says we know, and he says, give us the building, and will do something about it, so we've
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got the building, effectively free, and this is a sign of the times, isn't it? roger researches how to bring about social change through radical movements. this movement is based upon research and there are two things that have come out of that research, which is mass participation of civil disobedience maximises the chance of political change in the sort of context. it doesn't mean it is guaranteed, it just means it is massively more likely to be effective than sending e—mails and doing conventional campaigning. and it is significantly more effective than using violence. what is getting arrested help your movement? what is it notjust make you look like a bunch of troublemakers question might well, we do look like a bunch of troublemakers and drugmakers change the world. so, when they start calling you troublemakers, that is when you start to get some traction. if you are a trade union, everyone knows that. when you first go on dry, everyone cause you trouble makers, but then had to state your
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case, which is if you don't get this sorted, you are going to die. tonight, at extinction rebellion ho, they are prepping for an upcoming protest. is this going to stay in my purse? it will stain everything. you can speak to your solicitor in the police station and you can call another person. blood perez. 0k? this is a training event for new joiners. extinction rebellion are a non—violent action group, and here debate what actually counts as violence. kicking down a door and storming the stage at a conference. if you break something that wasn't broken before you were there, you are being violent. yes, whatever the cause. breaking down the door to go
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into a house on fire isn't against the law and that is what we are doing. what do you think you're doing? what is this? they learn how to deal with angry members of the public, the people they are often in the way of in protest. and they learn what to do when arrested. police officers they are fit, they are trained to be able to move people like this as part of their job. if you are limp, it is much more difficult to pick somebody up. do you really think ringing people of my day, blocking their way to make them go, i am going tojoin those guys who have completely ruined my day? yes, it is. yes. how? is because the only way people change is to getting upset. no change is to getting upset. no change is to getting upset. no change is possible unless there is major emotional distress. and you can do that nonviolently and you can
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do it violently of course and if you wa nt to do it violently of course and if you want to look at the literature, and i have done that and spent four yea rs, i have done that and spent four years, it is a no—brainer, that is how society changes. today, extinction rebellion are heading to downing street. the demo is called blood of our children because they have fa ke blood of our children because they have fake blood to cover the streets with. it is this 3i—year—old's has time demonstrating.” with. it is this 3i—year—old's has time demonstrating. i don't feel co mforta ble time demonstrating. i don't feel comfortable breaking the law. i would rather not take part in these kinds of tactics but i have tried lots of other things and i've been on marches, written e—mails, make lifestyle changes, and amazing things are happening around the world, particularly in communities that are affected by this in a railway but it is not not happening fast enough. as a pregnant woman, it shows how seriously i take it. and this is the stuff they are chucking. what is the exact defence that chucking this will be? it is criminal damage. one of the things
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you can't mess on this demo is all the press. there are camera crews absolutely everywhere. journalists everywhere, that is exactly what extinction rebellion want. they want the press covering them, talking about them, people finding out that they exist. i don't want to be standing here six months pregnant and breaking the law, i don't want to spend my weekend in a police cell and i don't wa nt to weekend in a police cell and i don't want to give more work to our overstretched and undervalued police force. but i don't feel like i have any other options. one of the rumours going around the crowd now is that the police might not arrest people, which would be very much not the plan. we didn't get arrested. the whole point is to get arrested.
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to that man's displeasure, they were in fact no interests at this demo. the police don't always give extinction rebellion what they want. i'm an associate fellow at chatham house, i was also previously an international climate change lecturer. have you been arrested yet? not yet but i hope to be. you wa nt to yet? not yet but i hope to be. you want to be? i'm willing to be. you know, write lesson books and be out on the street and protest and be ready to pay that sacrifice. i've got four kids and the oldest one, every year she gets older and i feel what is the progress that has been made, you know? all that time i spent as a young lawyer and a professional away from her, what does that count for? how many people does that count for? how many people do you want to get arrested? how
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many people do you want to go to prison? what do you think will make a difference? well, it is very difficult to tell. but somewhere in the thousands, the police will go to government and say we're not doing this anymore. they are not there to start arresting 84—year—old grannies oi’ start arresting 84—year—old grannies or ten—year—old kids, it has got to bea or ten—year—old kids, it has got to be a political solution to this. extinction rebellion is growing. just a month ago, these meetings at their london hq had a couple of dozen people in them, now they are groups spilling out of the door. people are listening. we are all meeting in parliament square. one april the 15th, the group planned to blockade london and the biggest action yet. they say they will stick on the streets until politicians listen, too. racing is football is something our programme has looked at. —— racism. the chairman of burnley said it was
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a joke that his club was fined for a the game after the goalkeeper was abused on the pitch. the club was charged with misconduct. we walked off because our goalkeeper was being racially abused by some people behind the goals at both ends of the pitch in the first half in the second half. really we weren't aware of. we have been fined by the fa for abandoning the game, whether it for —— where a racism or something else. and ifind —— where a racism or something else. and i find that totally wrong in this day and age. the rules should be changed. the referee was put in a situation where he said he can't make the decision, it was our decision to abandon the game, and the player was in such a state and a few of the other players were that we decided to walk off, and then took the fine. what you think of
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that fine? well, for us it is a lot of money for a non—league football club. if it had happened to other players, they would have been taken off the field. cardiff, or any afl club, they would be able to afford that, to us as it is a big cost. we've got to found a lot of money from volunteering, from sponsors, to pay that money back, for nothing, really, because we hadn't done anything. absolutely. you never walked off the pitch back then when you were the target of racist abuse, you were the target of racist abuse, you are playing at an elite level, isa you are playing at an elite level, is a different when it comes to the amateur game? it is 10096 is a different when it comes to the amateur game? it is 100% different, i have been saying that for a long time. all the talk is about premier league, premier league. i've managed at non—league and i've got a few things said to me and i know how difficult it is. the moment i heard that, i could relate to it straightaway. it was tough for me
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but it was easy because i had a stadium around me, i had a good perimeter around me, there were stewards around, but still it wasn't so much for that, i wasn't going to get people racing onto the pitch to me but it was a terrible feeling. but my whole thing, and i think players in my time, the black players in my time, the black players who were playing in the late 19805, players who were playing in the late 1980s, we were brought up, we had the desire to play football, no one was ever going to take that away so a minority was never going to win that battle to stop me playing football. i totally agree with him. it isa football. i totally agree with him. it is a lot easier for professionals because they've got a set up, they've got everything around them. it is that easy to happen but for me quitting, there's idiots everywhere, we always get this, this is why we are ina we always get this, this is why we are in a situation at the moment, i feel like if i go back playing, it only takes that one idiot to know what i've been through and it is just that one comment and then i don't want to go through that again
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but, yeah, he spoke some wise words, does make me want to get back into it, love the game, i won to play, but i can't put myself through that again. if you have a story for us, do e—mail us. next, when it comes to brexit, it seems every new development leads to another division so what you a group of mps on different sides of the debate to work together? we decided to find out by locking three of them in an escape room. the only way out is if they cover operate. here is how they got on. brexit can sometimes feel like a riddle wrapped inside an enigma. jewett sammy spent two years negotiating a deal with the european union but parliament has refused three times to accept it. so now, somehow, our politicians must try to find a solution. so we brought together three mps and challenged them to put their differences aside and cooperate. i have always been an
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ardent europhile, i make no apologies for that because i really wa nt to apologies for that because i really want to make the case for why we need to stay in the eu, i think there is no deal that we can possibly get that is better than the one we've already got with the european union. we just one we've already got with the european union. wejust need to make brexit stop. i believe in brexit, my owi'i brexit stop. i believe in brexit, my own constituency voted 61 to 39 to leave. i believe in the sovereignty of the united kingdom and we should go now with a managed no—deal brexit giving us the cream —— clean break and the ability to trade with the re st of and the ability to trade with the rest of the world. if we don't deliver on brexit it will be catastrophic for people's belief in democracy. i'm somebody who reported —— supported remain and fought for the remaining campaign but i'm really hoping for the labour party deal which is effectively protecting workers' rights, protecting the environment, i don't believe in brexit without a deal because i think it will be catastrophic. we
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asked the mps to step into a locked room with only one way out. to escape, the legislator must cooperate to find clues, test their knowledge and answer tricky questions and show goodwill in many debate hot topics. only with cooperation can they access the key to —— that will spell freedom from the escape room. what's under the flag? the clue fits in there. the padlock on here. the mp wasted no time in getting to grips with their objectives. the clues, pf, one tip. if you look at the pictures, see the spitfires, how many spitfires? there are spit —— six. there is a good job there is a concept of here. before long, they have their first clue cracked. that is full. you are
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right. we are in. right, ok, on what date was article 50 triggered? but it kicks off a debate about article 50, they noticed that the uk gave to the eu more than two years ago to say we are leaving. there has been no agreement as to the best way to leave. but when we triggered article 50, the rules where we either leave or we don't leave or we leave with a dealer without a deal on the 29th of march. how upset are you that we haven't left now? i'm pretty upset. one of the things that went horribly wrong was actually we shouldn't have left without a clear plan about what we are going to do once we triggered it and we are going to do once we triggered itandi we are going to do once we triggered it and i have to say that is where it and i have to say that is where it all started to go wrong. it and i have to say that is where it all started to go wronglj it and i have to say that is where it all started to go wrong. i think there is probably an element of what you are saying is correct and it was done too hastily but i think the pressure was on with other political parties from the beginning. we need to get out. oh, yes, sorry. the mps
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quickly uncover another close. what's in there? a note with a little arrow on it. oh, here, it is pointing to something. what is that? ah, there. the radio. which way? to the right. there, got it. well done. we've got too close. here is one, debating question. in which year did britain originallyjoined the eec, now known as the european union? 1973, 1971, 1980 find, or 1984. no, we joined in 73. or did we join in 71? the first referendum, we were already in. yes. was it? i wasn't there. were you? no. no. iwas at
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school! we've been in 46 years. talk of the early years prompts another debate. my mum and dad say they voted tojoin the common debate. my mum and dad say they voted to join the common market, debate. my mum and dad say they voted tojoin the common market, for the british people it has always been about trade. that is definitely, the eu has definitely changed since then. it has become a united states of europe. no, no, it doesn't happen. it doesn't have an army, doesn't want to have an army. by army, doesn't want to have an army. by adding their cue card to the barrel, the mps are one step closer to freedom. ten. and soon after, they unearth the next clue. to freedom. ten. and soon after, they unearth the next cluelj to freedom. ten. and soon after, they unearth the next clue. i found something. yeah, ifound it. how many people, you know this one, how many people, you know this one, how many people, you know this one, how many people voted to leave the eu? 17.4 million. i thought you would know that one. i don't know all
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their names. are we frustrating the will of the people? is the population —— is the population frustrated with people ?|j population —— is the population frustrated with people? i don't think parliament is actively trying to stop... do you think people care about that? people can't be wrong, they wanted to leave and we have to live, or our democracy is finished. that is why get upset when say they are traitors, they don't care, we care, that is why we are spending our days and nights here. it is why ministers from your side have left post. hang on, we will be in for ever if we don't get out soon. with that it to the right. after discovering a cryptic message, the parliamentarians but a possible means of decoding it. ah, the typewriter. type it. ok. the four
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vector. does that make sense? let's have a look. brexit means brexit, five, two, four, eight. the team uncover another clue by using access code 5248 to open a locked chest. should the eu fight the uk at that —— the elections in may?|j should the eu fight the uk at that -- the elections in may? i think we should otherwise it is taxation without representation. we agree on something! what is the number? 135. how many mps voted in favour of another referendum? 280. 200 and aps
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-- 280 mp5 another referendum? 280. 200 and aps —— 280 mps voted to put it back to the electorate in consummate monetary election. every single majority vote will get challenged and it will undermine democracy. agree to disagree. with a final clue self, that team may at last be getting close to freedom. and there isa getting close to freedom. and there is a key here. excellent. excellent. let's go. ready? yes. hurray. hurray. well done. we escaped. let's go. ready? yes. hurray. hurray. well done. we escapedlj hurray. well done. we escaped.” think what i got out of that is it reminds us all that behind all the rhetoric and all the bluff and whatever, there are actually people
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trying to do the best in whatever way they see. i believe that we can reach a solution which is not perfect, not everyone will be 100% happy with it. without all three of us working together, we wouldn't have been able to get out in that time. the difference is, compared to the debate about brexit is all three of us wanted to leave. i'm not convinced everybody in parliament wants to leave. i'm definitely going to make more of an effort to bse behind the rhetoric, see behind the bluff. finally, farewell to the tv series some are calling the best of the year so far even though it is only april. phoebe waller bridge had insisted they want to be a third outing for fleabag, after the second series came to an end this week. we talk to stars sian clifford, bill paterson and the director at harry bradbeer. if you haven't watched the last episode yet, there are spoilers in the conversation you are about to hear. why wasn't it a happy ending
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for flea bag ? hear. why wasn't it a happy ending for fleabag? i sort of think it is. i think it is very helpful. i think there is a story arc for all of us, that there has been a shift, she is making progress with her grief, she has opened herself to love, which she wasn't willing to at all in the first series. so i think it is a happy ending. what do you think a bill? yes, ithink happy ending. what do you think a bill? yes, i think it is a happy ending. idon't bill? yes, i think it is a happy ending. i don't know why the priest doesn'tjust shift to ending. i don't know why the priest doesn't just shift to the anglican, you know, the anglican, you can still get the outfits but you can, you know, i don't know, i would ask andrew about that if i saw him. i think it is happy, it is an optimism. and the importance of the whole thing, the importance of relationships and deep relationships is beautifullyjudged, i think. harry, what did you think? well, the priest talks about hope in his homily. that is what we end up with,
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i think. homily. that is what we end up with, ithink. in homily. that is what we end up with, i think. in hollywood, they say it is not what you want, it is what you need that is important, and what she needed was a not to be with the priest for the rest of her life. but it has found love in her cell. being lb to love herself more. being able to stand on her own two feet. i have always seen it as a story of growing up. she is now ready to move on with her life and that is why she can say goodbye to us at the end because... imean, goodbye to us at the end because... i mean, obviously, so many people are generally upset that there isn't going to be a third series. are you gutted? i am. i think we all felt, when we were finishing, there was a real sadness, and we got to do every shoot day and i don't think... we we re shoot day and i don't think... we were so thrilled to be back together asa were so thrilled to be back together as a team and i kept... i havejoked with phoebe that i am going to keep egging her on to do a third but i have sort of arrived at a sort of
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kind of acceptance actually and i do feel it's. .. it's kind of acceptance actually and i do feel it's... it's complete, and that is when we were making it and now having seen it all as a piece, i think, i think, having seen it all as a piece, i think, ithink, yeah, ithink having seen it all as a piece, i think, i think, yeah, i think we are ready to say goodbye to it. that is it for this week. you can contact us any time with your stories. we are back live on monday morning, ten o'clock on bbc two, that it is a new channels and online. for most of us, saturday has been a bright day, blue sky is the further west you are but it is chilly, quite deceiving, those blue skies out there, and this chilly weather is going to continue into sunday as well. although we had a couple of showers in the south—east but that is the exception rather than the rule. the satellite image shows a beautiful swell of cloud out there on the ante, this is a storm, quite a powerful one, it is not heading our way, but it is veering off to
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the north, it is trying to push the weather front in the direction of the uk, we can see where that mass of cloud and that swirling centre of the storm is moving towards the north and the reason for it is because there is a intense area of high pressure across scandinavia here and that acts like a block on the weather so these weather fronts basically can't cross us, they reach our island and they come to a halt here and they move off towards the north. we've got the clear weather this evening and with chilly air from scandinavia, the temperatures will drop like a stone tonight, as we often say. like last night, it could be as low as minus four degrees outside of city centres first thing on sunday morning and evenin first thing on sunday morning and even in city centres, big city centres, it could be around freezing or below. manchester is at —2, 0 degrees in london, glasgow, and edinburgh. western fringes of the uk are frost free. tomorrow the weather front tries to push on, it can't, you can see the easterly wind blowing here, it can't make much
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progress but it doesn't mean that it will turn cloudy in northern ireland, western fringes of wales and the south, may be a few splits and the south, may be a few splits and spots of rain by the end of the day but the vast majority of the uk will enjoy a fine day with dry, bright, but chilly weather. will wave goodbye to the chilly weather in the coming days, this is a sped up in the coming days, this is a sped up animation of these air currents that are heading our way over the coming days. you can see that next week there is the warmer air coming from the south and pushing in our direction. apart from tuesday which will be a bit of a blip in the weather, we can see some rain almost anywhere in the country, particularly on tuesday, but towards the end of the week, it will be warming up, temperatures could nudge up warming up, temperatures could nudge up to around 20 degrees or so as we head into the easter weekend. the jet stream will be way to the north of us and high pressure will be in charge of our weather.
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