tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News April 14, 2019 3:30pm-4:01pm BST
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this is bbc news. of the exclusive and original journalism we have broadcast over the last week. the headlines at apm: extinction rebellion is fighting the cabinet office minister, climate change and has been making david lidington, says the government and labour will both have headlines over the last few months, to compromise as they look to break very recently by stripping almost the deadlock over brexit. naked in the house of commons. a leaked recording ofjeremy corbyn and now they are threatening reveals that the labour party to blockade london. lost, mislaid or ignored evidence of anti—semitism in the party. our reporter cathrin nye went behind the scenes. late night in east london and this lot are illegally flyposting. the idea is to really draw attention... the labour mp who made the signs are being plastered all over the uk this week the recording says the handling by a new protest group called of anti—semitic complaints should be taken away extinction rebellion. from the party altogether. there is no alternative but to have that independent so far, they've shut down bridges, investigation of complaints, poured buckets of blood otherwise there will not be at downing street, blockaded the bbc, and stripped an opportunity to start rebuilding naked in parliament. the trust that we have lost. controversially, they are fighting teachers say there's increasing evidence that poverty is damaging climate change by trying to get as many people arrested as possible. we've been filming
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behind—the—scenes with them. if you've been seeing what we did at the house of commons on monday... and finding out just why they are attracting so much attention. hello and welcome to the aid of catastrophe orchestra. three, two, one! extinction rebellion formed last year and have quickly grown. they are decentralised, so all over the uk and the world at any time they can be holding multiple actions and protests. make a sound for extinction rebellion! very loud! we are trying to show non—violent direct action to close down if it's possible parts of london and the economic system here. it is early march and they are blocking traffic in central london, playing cat and mouse
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with the police. so the protesters are now doing little blockages, moving into the roads, stopping traffic for a bit. there are ten protesters now and 23 police officers following them. the consequences are that you guys will get arrested for highway obstruction. are you going to move off the road now? what do we want? a future! and few weeks later... you are happy to step over these young people... so, it is early morning in central london and these youth extinction rebellion protesters have glued themselves to the railings and are blocking the way into a fracking conference. you are stop members getting in. extinction rebellion have their headquarters in this slightly unexpected location — the top floor of a corporate building in euston. on the other floors are a construction company and a fashion brand.
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roger hallam is one of the founders of extinction rebellion. and these are your various demands on the wall? to tell the truth, yeah. the group have three core demands — that the government tell the truth about climate change, reduce carbon emissions to zero by 2025 and create something called a citizens assembly to oversee doing this. how did you get this building? that is an interesting story, isn't it? there is this guy who has been advertising all his life, he decided he wanted to quit hisjob, work for xr, so he goes to this corporate landlord and he says we are not going to be around in ten years and the corporate landlord says, we know, and he says, give us the building, and we'll do something about it, so we've got the building, effectively free, and this is a sign of the times, isn't it? everyone is bleep themselves. roger researches how to bring about social change through radical movements.
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this movement is based upon research and there are two things that have come out of that research, which is mass participation of civil disobedience maximises the chance of political change in this sort of context. it doesn't mean it is guaranteed, itjust means it is massively more likely to be effective than sending e—mails and doing conventional campaigning. and it is significantly more effective than using violence. why does getting arrested help your movement? why does it notjust make you look like a bunch of troublemakers? well, we do look like a bunch of troublemakers and troublemakers change the world. so, when they start calling you troublemakers, you start to get some traction. if you are a trade union, everyone knows that. when you first go on strike, everyone goes, "troublemakers," but then had to state your case, which is if you don't get this sorted, we are going to die. tonight, at extinction rebellion hq, they are prepping for an upcoming protest.
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is it going to stain my purse? yes. it is going to stain everything. 0k, good to know. once you are in the police station, you have a right to legal advice, to speak to your solicitor, and then you cancall another person. all arrestees. blood pourers. 0k? this is a training event for newjoiners. extinction rebellion are a non—violent action group, and here debate what actually counts as violence. kicking down a door and storming the stage at a conference. if you kick something down, you break something that wasn't broken before you were there, you are being a little violent. breaking down the door to go into a house that is on fire isn't against the law and that is what we are doing. oi! what do you think you're doing? what is this? they learn how to deal with angry
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members of the public, the people they are often in the way of on protests. and they learn what to do when arrested. police officers, they are fit, they are trained to be able to move people like this as part of theirjob. if you are limp, it is much more difficult to pick somebody up. do you really think ruining people's day, blocking their way to work is going to make them go, "great, "i am going tojoin those guys who have completely ruined my day"? yes, it is. yes. how? because the only way people change is through getting upset. no change is possible unless there is major emotional distress. and you can do that nonviolently and you can do it violently of course and if you want to look at the literature, and i have done that and spent four years, it is a no—brainer, that is how society changes. today, extinction rebellion are heading to downing street.
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the demo is called blood of our children because they have fake blood to cover the streets with. it is this 31—year—old's first time demonstrating with the group. i don't feel comfortable breaking the law. i would rather not take part in these kinds of tactics but i have tried lots of other things, and i've been on marches, written e—mails, made lifestyle changes, and amazing things are happening around the world, particularly in communities that are affected by this in a very real way, but it is not happening fast enough. as a pregnant woman, it shows how seriously i take it. and this is the stuff they are chucking. it is pretty gruesome. what is the exact defence that chucking this will be? it is criminal damage. one of the things you can't miss on this demo is all the press. there are camera ci’ews absolutely everywhere. journalists everywhere, that is exactly what extinction rebellion want.
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they want the press covering them, talking about them, people finding out that they exist. i don't want to be standing here six months pregnant and breaking the law, i don't want to spend my weekend in a police cell and i don't want to give more work to our overstretched and undervalued police force. but i don't feel like i have any other options. one of the rumours going around the crowd now is that the police might not arrest people, which would be very much not the plan. the whole point is to get arrested. to that man's displeasure, they were in fact no interests at this demo. the police don't always give extinction rebellion what they want.
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i'm an associate fellow at chatham house, i was also previously an international climate change lecturer. have you been arrested yet? not yet, but i hope to be. you want to be? i'm willing to be. you know, write lesson books and be out on the street and protest and be ready to pay that sacrifice. i've got four kids and the oldest one, every year she gets older and ifeel, what is the progress that has been made, you know? all that time i spent as a young lawyer and a professional away from her, what does that count for? how many people do you want to get arrested? want to go to prison? what do you think will make a difference? well, it is very difficult to tell. but somewhere in the thousands, the police will go to
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government and say, we're not doing this any more. they are not there to start arresting 84—year—old grannies or ten—year—old kids, it has got to be a political solution to this. extinction rebellion is growing. just a month ago, these meetings at their london hq had a couple of dozen people in them, now they are groups spilling out of the door. people are listening. we are all meeting in parliament square. one april the 15th, the group planned to blockade london and the biggest action yet. they say they will sit on the streets until politicians listen, too. racism in football is something our programme has looked at. the chairman of padiham fc said it was a joke that his club was fined for a the game after the goalkeeper was abused on the pitch. the club was charged
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with misconduct. we walked off because our goalkeeper was being racially abused by some people behind the goals at both ends of the pitch in the first half and the second half. really we weren't aware of it. we have been fined by the fa for abandoning the game, whether for racism or something else. and i find that totally wrong in this day and age. the rules should be changed. the referee was put in a situation where he said he can't make the decision, it was our decision to abandon the game, and the player was in such a state and a few of the other players were that we decided to walk off, and then took the fine. what do you think of that fine? well, for us it is a lot of money for a non—league football club.
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if it had happened to other players, they would have been taken off the field. cardiff, or any efl club, they would be able to afford that, to us as it is a big cost. we've got to found a lot of money from volunteering, from sponsors, to pay that money back, for nothing, really, because we hadn't done anything. absolutely. you never walked off the pitch back then, when you were the target of racist abuse, you were playing at an elite level, is a different when it comes to the amateur game? it is 100% different, i have been saying that for a long time. all the talk is about premier league, premier league. i've managed at non—league and i've got a few things said to me and i know how difficult it is. the moment i heard that, i could relate to it straightaway. it was tough for me but it was easier because i had a stadium around me, i had a good perimeter around me, there were stewards around, but still it wasn't so much for that, i wasn't going to get
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people racing onto the pitch to me, but it was a terrible feeling. but my whole thing, and i think players in my time, the black players who were playing in the late 1980s, we were brought up, we had the desire to play football, no one was ever going to take that away, so a minority was never going to win that battle to stop me playing football. i totally agree with him. it is a lot easier for professionals because they've got a set up, they've got everything around them. it is that easy to happen, but for me quitting, there's idiots everywhere, we always get this, this is why we are in a situation at the moment, i feel like if i go back playing, it only takes that one idiot to know what i've been through and it isjust that one comment and then i don't want to go through that again but, yeah, he spoke some wise words, does make me want to get back into it, i love the game, i won to play, but i can't put myself through that again. if you have a story
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for us, do e—mail us. next, when it comes to brexit, it seems every new development leads to another division, so what happenes when you get a group of mps on different sides of the debate to work together? we decided to find out by locking three of them in an escape room. the only way out is if they cooperated. here is how they got on. brexit can sometimes feel like a riddle wrapped inside an enigma. the pm spent two years negotiating a deal with the european union but parliament has refused three times to accept it. so now, somehow, our politicians must try to find a solution. so we brought together three mps and challenged them to put their differences aside and cooperate. i have always been an ardent europhile, i make no apologies for that because i really want to make the case for why we need to stay in the eu, i think there is no deal that we can
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possibly get that is better than the one we've already got with the european union. we just need to make brexit stop. i believe in brexit, my own constituency voted 61 to 39 to leave. i believe in the sovereignty of the united kingdom and we should go now with a managed no—deal brexit giving us a clean break and the ability to trade with the rest of the world. if we don't deliver on brexit it will be catastrophic for people's belief in democracy. i'm somebody who supported remain and fought for the remain campaign but i'm really hoping for the labour party deal which is effectively protecting workers' rights, protecting the environment, i don't believe in brexit without a deal because i think it will be catastrophic. we asked the mps to step into a locked room with only one way out. to escape, the legislators must cooperate to find clues, test their knowledge and answer
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tricky questions and show goodwill in many debates on brexit hot topics. only with cooperation can they access the key that will spell freedom from the escape room. what's under the flag? the clue fits in there. the padlock on here. the mps wasted no time in getting to grips with their objectives. the clues, bf, one ten. if you look at the pictures, see the spitfires, how many spitfires? there are six. there is a good job there is a conservative here. before long, they have their first clue cracked. sapde is four. you are right. we are in. right, ok, on what date was article 50 triggered?
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but it kicks off a debate about article 50, the notice that the uk gave to the eu more than two years ago to say we are leaving. there has been no agreement as to the best way to leave. but when we triggered article 50, the rules where we either leave or we don't leave, or we leave with a dealer without a deal on the 29th of march. how upset are you that we haven't left now? i'm pretty upset. one of the things that went horribly wrong was actually we shouldn't have left without a clear plan about what we are going to do once we triggered it and i have to say that is where it all started to go wrong. i think there is probably an element of what you are saying is correct and it was done too hastily but i think the pressure was on with other political parties from the beginning. we need to get out. oh, yes, sorry. the mps quickly uncover another close. what's in there? a note with a little arrow on it. oh, here, it is pointing to something.
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what is that? ah, there. the radio. which way? to the right. there, got it. well done. we've got two clues. here is one, debating question. in which year did britain originallyjoin the eec, now known as the european union? 1973, 1971, 1980, or1984. no, wejoined in 73. or did we join in '71? the first referendum, we were already in. yes. was it? i wasn't there. were you? no. i was at school! we've been in 46 years. talk of the early years prompts another debate. my mum and dad say they voted tojoin the common market,
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for the british people it has always been about trade. that is definitely, the eu has definitely changed since then. it has become a united states of europe. no, no, it doesn't happen. it doesn't have an army, doesn't want to have an army. by adding their clue card to the barrel, the mps are one step closer to freedom. ten. and soon after, they unearth the next clue. i found something. yeah, ifound it. how many people, you know this one, how many people voted to leave the eu? 17.4 million. i thought you would know that one. i don't know all their names. are we frustrating the will of the people? is the population frustrated?
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i don't think parliament is actively trying to stop... do you think people care about that? people can't be wrong, they wanted to leave and we have to leave, or our democracy is finished. that is why get upset when say they are traitors, they don't care. we care, that is why we are spending our days and nights here. it is why ministers from your side have left post. hang on, we will be in for ever if we don't get out soon. with that it to the right. after discovering a cryptic message, the parliamentarians but a possible means of decoding it. ah, the typewriter. type it. k. there is four. does that make sense?
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let's have a look. brexit means brexit, five, two, four, eight. the team uncover another clue by using access code 5248 to open a locked chest. should the eu fight the uk at the european elections in may? i think we should otherwise it is taxation without representation. we agree on something! what is the number? 135. how many mps voted in favour of another referendum? 280. 280 mps voted to put it back to the electorate in a confirmatory election.
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every single majority vote will get challenged and it will undermine democracy. agree to disagree. with a final clue solved, that team may at last be getting close to freedom. and there is a key here. excellent. let's go. ready? yes. well done. we escaped. i think what i got out of that is it reminds us all that behind all the rhetoric and all the bluff and whatever, there are actually people trying to do the best in whatever way they see. i believe that we can reach a solution which is not perfect, not everyone will be
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100% happy with it. without all three of us working together, we wouldn't have been able to get out in that time. the difference is, compared to the debate about brexit is all three of us wanted to leave. i'm not convinced everybody in parliament wants to leave. i'm definitely going to make more of an effort to see behind the rhetoric, see behind the bluff. finally, farewell to the tv series some are calling the best of the year so far even though it is only april. phoebe waller bridge has insisted there will not to be a third outing for fleabag, after the second series came to an end this week. we talked to stars sian clifford, bill paterson and the director harry bradbeer. if you haven't watched the last episode yet, there are spoilers in the conversation you are about to hear. why wasn't it a happy ending for fleabag? i sort of think it is. i think it is very helpful. ——hopeful.
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i think there is a story arc for all of us, that there has been a shift, she is making progress with her grief, she has opened herself to love, which she wasn't willing to at all in the first series. so i think it is a happy ending. what do you think, bill? yes, i think it is a happy ending. i don't know why the priest doesn't just shift to the anglican, you know, high anglican, you can still get the outfits but you can, you know, i don't know, i would ask andrew about that if i saw him. i think it is happy, there is an optimism. and the importance of the whole thing, the importance of relationships and deep relationships is beautifully judged, i think. harry, what did you think? well, the priest talks about hope in his homily. that is what we end up with, i think. in hollywood, they say it is not what you want, it is what you need that is important, and what she needed was a not to be with the priest for the rest of her life.
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but to have found love in herself. being able to love herself more. being able to stand on her own two feet. i have always seen it as a story of growing up. she is now ready to move on with her life and that is why she can say goodbye to us at the end because... i mean, obviously, so many people are upset that there isn't going to be a third series. are you gutted? iam. i think we all felt, when we were finishing, there was a real sadness, and we got to do a reshoot day and i don't think... we were so thrilled to be back together as a team and i kept... i have joked with phoebe that i am going to keep egging her on to do a third, but i have sort of arrived at a sort of acceptance actually and i do feel it's... it's complete, and that is when we were making it and now having seen it all as a piece,
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i think, i think, yeah, i think we are ready to say goodbye to it. that is it for this week. you can contact us any time with your stories. we are back live on monday morning, ten o'clock on bbc two, the bbc news channels and online. temperatures on the north sea coast today only around six 7 degrees. tomorrow will be milder, we will see across southern tomorrow will be milder, we will see across southern areas tomorrow will be milder, we will see across southern areas of the uk and through the week it will be warming up. at the moment, a lot of cloud across western parts of the uk, thanks to a big low pressure in the north atlantic sending a weather front in our direction but not making much progress because the high pressure is stopping it. this high pressure is stopping it. this high pressure is stopping it. this high pressure has been responsible for sending the colder weather in our direction, sunnier skies was wcb
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cold are circling this area of high pressure and as we approach the showers here, bringing the chilly conditions we have had our weekend. temperatures by the end of the afternoon, early evening in the south around 10 degrees, single figures elsewhere. tonight, clear skies, there will be a frost around, whereas in the west we have mastered they and a civil front nearby so it will not be as chilly. temperatures outside of towns will be around freezing below. tomorrow, pretty much the same, so much of the cloud will be in the west of the country closer to the weather front and the lower pressure coming in, maybe some rainfor lower pressure coming in, maybe some rain for calm while, but has in northern ireland. also showers and eastern scotland but the central swathe of the uk down to the south coast will be fine. 1a degrees already in london and then through the week ahead we say goodbye to the cold weather. you see the colder air
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and the warmer currents of air well wind and that warm air will arrive from the south and eventually the south—east on the continent will be warming up as well. tuesday, we have a bit of cloud across the country and some blue, spots of rain. the wind will have switched direction so it means 15 in london, double figures in central scotland as well. wednesday, it is all change, so sunshine throughout much of the country, if clouds here and there. wednesday i suspect the temperatures will hit 18 degrees in london and the teens in central scotland. bye— bye.
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