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hello it's thursday, it's ten o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. the law says women who freeze their eggs have to use them in ten years or they're destroyed, leaving many with the choice of foregoing their chance of having a baby, or rushing to find a sperm donor. there's literally no reason for this ruling in place. the outcome of this doesn't impact on me. it's got almost nothing to do with me. but it's any child i have, who is theirfather going to be? are they going to have a person, or are they going to have a number? another woman is hoping to take legal action to try and change the law. we'll be asking if she's right or whether there are good reasons for the ten year limit. cbbc star mya—lecia naylor has died suddenly, aged 16. she appeared in bbc programmes such as millie inbetween and almost never.
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the government says its got the message on climate change as activists are continuting to cause disruption in london and other parts of the uk. the campaign group extinction rebellion says its shock tactics are needed. this man was arrested earlier this week as part of the protest. we'll be asking him, and the rest of our panel, if this action is really what is needed to wake people up to the risks of climate change. days after it's revealed to the press with great fanfare, samsung's new folding phone appears to have a few teething problems. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. what do you think of the climate change protests which have been taking place in london this week? is it really necessary to break the law and disrupt londoners going about their lives?
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eddie on an email says, "a complete waste of time demonstrating in the uk, let them go to india, china, russia and many third world countries where pollution is the highest." audrey on an email: "london would be a better place pedestrianised, where all vehicles apart from public transport was banned. pollution is real from the gas guzzling vehicles and kills. put people first before its too late. 100% behind the protests." an anonymous text, "getting fed—up with david attenborough preaching at me yet again and i can't be the only one. turning me off so give it a rest for goodness sake." do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about, use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. first rebecca jones has the news. we got the leopard—print message together, didn't we!
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at least 29 people are now known to have died after a tourist bus plunged off a road and overturned on the portuguese island of madeira. another 27 were injured in the accident outside the capital city funchal. portugal's president has confirmed all the tourists on the bus were german but some local people could also be among the casualties. officials said the bus met safety standards and it was "premature to talk about what caused the crash". north korea has test—fired a new tactical guided weapon with a powerful warhead, according to the country's state media. it's the first test of this kind since de—nuclearisation talks between leader kim jong—un and us president donald trump ended without agreement in february. last week, mr kim said mr trump needed to have the "right attitude" for talks to continue. the bbc children's television star mya—lecia naylor has died suddenly at the age of 16. mya—lecia appeared in the shows "millie inbetween" and "almost never". the cbbc website announced the news of her death,
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which happened 11 days ago, saying she was a "much—loved" part of the family. three extinction rebellion protestors, who've been charged with obstructing the railway after climbing on top of a dlr train in east london yesterday, are expected to appear in court later today. protests on climate change which have brought parts of central london and other cities to a standstill have entered their fourth day. activists are continuing to block major roads in the capital including oxford circus and waterloo bridge, and say their demonstrations will continue. nearly 400 people have been arrested in london. an actor who played a gangland boss in the film trainspotting 2 has been shot dead in edinburgh. bradley welsh, who was 42, was attacked in the city's west end last night. the trainspotting writer irvine welsh said on twitter he had lost an amazing friend and was heartbroken. a project to build a new rail line
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under london might not be finished until 2021. crossrail was supposed to open last year but bbc news has been told none of the new stations has been finished, and there are concerns about the signalling system. crossrail says testing is progressing well and a target open date will be announced this month. rabbits have been hopping around britain for much longer than previously thought, that's according to scientists who have discovered a bone dating from the roman period. it was found in west sussex, and shows the rabbit was alive in the first century ad. it was previously thought rabbits were introduced to the british isles in medieval times. that's the news for now, back to you. get in touch with us throughout the morning, and if you are e—mailing and you are happy to be contacted,
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include your phone number in your message. texts will be charged at the standard network rate. women who freeze their eggs have ten years to use them, by law, or they're destroyed, unless they have certain medical conditions. at the ten—year mark, the majority of women who have frozen their eggs, but not fertilized them, are left with the decision of whether to forego their chance of having a baby, or rush to find a sperm donor. it's led one woman to try and mount a challenge through the high court to change the law. today we'll hear from a woman who froze her eggs nearly ten years ago. she's been in a relationship for six months, and is having to choose whether or not to ask her partner to fertilise her eggs before she runs out of time. our reporter, jo mcdermott, has been to meet her. i had my eggs frozen, erm, nine and a half years ago. erm, following... i knew that i had polycystic ovaries.
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and i, erm, i'djust come out of a 15 year relationship. so at that point i froze my eggs. i suppose the other reason my ifroze my eggs isjust, yeah, just the insurance policy. erm, just to have something in the background, just in case i didn't meet someone. or, yeah, i knew that's something i wanted in the future, was to have a child. and i spent a long time kind of research and really understanding what i was getting into in terms of the process, and in terms of my safety and any kind of child's safety at the time. erm, so that part of it was really important to me, actually. so i didn't go into this flippantly at all, and certainly with the money i spent, certainly didn't go into this flippantly at all. what's your situation at the moment? so, i've currently got a number of eggs frozen in a clinic in the uk, and i'm coming to my deadline when they need to be defrosted and fertilized or discarded. the situation is, is that, erm,
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i have to by law destroy them in june. well, they have to be destroyed by the 1st ofjuly, or used. and the crazy situation is, i finally met someone really nice. i paid £4.99 to go on match just once, and he was my first date. and that's it, and then we've been together. he's the nicest man you've ever met. i kind of shock myself sometimes how nice he is. he's got a really nice job. but, you know, we've not been together very long. so i'm asking him the question. do you want to do this or not? and this is a lifetime decision for him. the poor bloke. and it's a really difficult situation. so my situation is, is that, do i go ahead and use his sperm to fertilize these eggs? who knows what will happen? we may split up, i don't know. if we split up and i have embryos with him, he has every right to get them destroyed, so i lose them. and then if not, do i use a sperm
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donor and we stay together and then he resents me? i don't know. there is a really messy situation around this. i put my body through this, i paid for this, i pay for storage i'm paying for thawing, i'm paying for everything. yet i have no control. and i'm not looking to keep them frozen for another 15 years or ten years. you know, give me six months, fine, i'll know where i stand, and that's all i want really. and i have no... they're not hurting anybody being where they are. there is no longevity issue. you can thaw eggs after 20 years and 25 years and still they're perfectly normal. so, there is literally no reason for this ruling in place. the outcome of this is doesn't impact me. it's got almost nothing to do with me, but it's any child i have — who is theirfather going to be? are they going to have a person, or are they going to have a number? at the moment, what do you think you're most minded to do? i have no idea.
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i have to make a decision really quickly. i have options, of course. but they won't die. either way, i'm not going to let them die. so, i have to make a decision about which one i'm going to. i would have really, really hoped to have thawed my eggs before the ten years. i'm under unnecessary pressure, i feel. i don't feel upset. i just feel furious about this. the issue for me, i suppose, is the fact there is literally no maneuverability on this. it is a drop dead date. i can't apply, i can't put a case forward anywhere. there is literally nothing i can do to move this date at all. even by six months. i don't want to have a child via a sperm donor. that's my second choice. i know loads of women who've got that and are very happy, but that's never yourfirst option. and if you're in a relationship with someone, i'm sure that's not theirfirst option. what do you think of the law as it stands at the moment? i don't understand the law
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as it currently stands. i don't understand what benefit it provides to anybody at the moment. i don't understand the benefit it provides at the moment. i don't see who it's protecting. all it seems to be doing is having a negative impact on people's lives, or forcing them into really challenging decisions that could negatively affect any offspring. it's not protecting anybody. we were talking to, we will call her emma, speaking to her about the ban about unfreezing of eggs. let's talk now to fertility specialist dr yazan abdallah, who thinks the current regulations should remain, and baroness deech, the former chair of the human fertilisation and embryology authority, who thinks the law should be reformed. thank you very much forjoining us. emma said there was no reason as far as she can see it for the ten year
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deadline, she says she doesn't understand who it protects and it puts people like her under undue pressure, but you don't think it should be changed, why? thank you so much forfocusing on should be changed, why? thank you so much for focusing on this issue. should be changed, why? thank you so much forfocusing on this issue. to clarify, i think the regulation should change. there is a compelling case for it to change, like the case of emma and many other women who are in the extremely difficult session. however the importance is to focus on how to change it correctly for the welfare of women. and to deliver on the outcome and the purpose of such regulation. there is a compelling case to change and modify the regulation because like in emma's case, the simple analogy is, you are taking an insurance policy that covers you for a possible trip in the next ten years but you're actually only to take the trip after ten years. if a lady at a young age
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stores her eggs, by the time she has dispose of them because the storage expires, that time is before when she can make good use of them for the purpose that she stored them. but with changing that regulation, looking at changing the regulation, there are wider context issues that need to be taken into consideration carefully. so, we need to make sure that by embarking on a change or modifying the legislation to become better, we are not overpromising and under delivering. just explain, then, sorry to interrupt, what changed you think they could be. then, sorry to interrupt, what changed you think they could belj think a change that allows these women to effectively make use of the stored eggs is absolutely prudent. but we must not over and end up in a
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situation where we under deliver. sorry to keep interrupting, but to speu sorry to keep interrupting, but to spell out exactly what you mean. do you mean allowing someone, an individual to say how long the eggs of frozen, are you talking about a limited extension to the period?” think probably one of the ideas would be to link the storage to a certain age, rather than, would be to link the storage to a certain age, ratherthan, now, legislating a certain longer extension period. let me explain the applications. it's very important to touch on a couple of aspects. —— explain the implications. if we overpromise in the sense that you allow the extension to go on for 20 oi’ allow the extension to go on for 20 or 30 years, legitimately, you may end up in a situation where a higher number of women now as we see in social egg freezing is increasing, it's very good because it allows
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women's autonomy and independence and more control of their own reproduction, we may end up in a situation where a lady comes at an exceedingly advanced age in the hope of using their eggs.” exceedingly advanced age in the hope of using their eggs. i want to bring in the baroness but ijust want to pin down what you are talking about, you think there should be an upper age limit, what do you think that should be? that needs to be in the context of a wider discussion between all the stakeholders and the organisations that are involved to make sure that that would be a safe and fairtime—limitand make sure that that would be a safe and fair time—limit and appropriate for women. i don't think that's a very easy decision, and whether it isa very easy decision, and whether it is a certain time limit or not, it needs to be in the context of a wider discussion. where health care providers are able to implement this. i do want to bring in our other guests. you do think the law should be reformed, how do you think
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it should be reformed?” should be reformed, how do you think it should be reformed? i glad that we agree that the law is unfair and arbitrary. and i'm quite sure that when it's challenged in the courts as it will be soon it will be seen to fall foul of our equality act. the change that could be made, to possible changes could work very well and they are not related to upperage well and they are not related to upper age limits at all. one is to change the law so that on a case— by—case change the law so that on a case—by—case basis, a woman could ask for a longer storage period, that's what they do in some countries. the other is simply to have the regulation changed so that if the woman has not yet completed her family, the eggs can be kept. but it will not work to have an upperage but it will not work to have an upper age limit. we abandoned that notion way back in 1990 when the human fertilisation and embryology act was passed. it has no upper age limit because the age at which women give birth is a matter for discussion between her and her doctor. we have an increasing number
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of women over the age of 40 giving birth, the statistics came outjust this week. it's notjust birth, the statistics came outjust this week. it's not just the woman herself who might be giving birth, she might perhaps use a surrogate. the important thing is not to let those expensively gathered and stored eggs, her only hope of having her own baby, do not let them perish. it's tragic what's happening now. so what about the point that doctor abdallah was making about giving people false hope? and if eggs are stored indefinitely with no age limit, that could give people fullscope. i don't know quite what he means. we know that her trinity rates for older women are pretty low but we know that the eggs can be preserved. it doesn't work on the woman herself, and she, with her doctor, must have taken account her situation, and the welfare of the potential baby, she might use a
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surrogate. the important thing is that we don't have in english law and upperage limit that we don't have in english law and upper age limit and we must not let those eggs die. look at men, look at the discretion. as far as you concerned, a woman who has frozen her eggs should be able to keep them forever and potentially at the age of 60 or 70, say that someone else can have her eggs if she can't herself? you're missing my point, the law is discriminatory, no one is suggesting a definite limit. look at these wrinkly old pop stars, ortheir look at these wrinkly old pop stars, or their new young partners give birth to their sixth or seventh charge when they are 70. it might be a woman herself or a surrogate, we have never had an upper age limit for fertility treatment for women. there is a natural medical process which will cause a women to consider whether it's right for her. just to be clear, you are saying that a woman into her 60s, 70s, maybe even
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older, should be able to have her eggs are used at any point that she chooses? because you say that men have that right as well if they a younger partner? the storage law is discriminatory. nature is discriminatory. nature is discriminatory. what i'm saying is, the regulation should change so that there is more flexibility either in a case—by—case basis or because a woman still wants to have a baby. you might put a limit on the time that you store the eggs, but an age limit on the woman won't work because, as i said, she might use a surrogate. baroness deech, doctor abdallah, thank you. let us know your thoughts on this. it's something that is becoming more popular, 1300 women froze their eggs in 2016. the number of women are freezing their eggs has grown dramatically so let us know your thoughts. whether you think the law should be changed.
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and after all the hype — special counsel robert mueller‘s report into alleged russian interference in the 2016 us election campaign is published this afternoon. we'll discuss what it might say — and what impact it'll have in washington.... hundreds of climate change campaigners have been arrested this week. we'll discuss the direct action by extinction rebellion and whether it can achieve its goals. and many of you have been getting in touch with your thoughts on those protests. leslie on twitter: "those who are part of @extinctionr that are causing all this chaos need to be treated as domestic terrorists! shutting down a city like london is what terrorists want so they need to be treated the same! yes i agree with protesting but not like this!" redundant on twitter: "the climate change protestors are protesting in a country that is actively working on reducing our impact on climate change and we actually have little impact on temperature changes globally." graham on text: "i'm 70 years old and live in wiltshire.
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i'm fully behind what the climate change protesters are doing and hope tojoin them in london." roy on email: "i'm 68 with no children, nephews or nieces so climate change will have a limited effect upon my life — especially as i live 600m above sea level — so why should i care about climate change? ijust do care and so should everybody else — not to do so amounts to an act of monumental vandalism." keep your thoughts coming in on that. cbbc star mya—lecia naylor has died suddenly at the age of 16. mya—lecia appeared in the shows "millie inbetween" and "almost never". the cbbc website announced the news of her death, which happened 11 days ago, saying she was a "much—loved" part of the family. tributes have been paid to the teenager on social media. scriptwriter paul rose, who worked on the show almost never, called the news of her death "heartbreaking" and said on twitter: "i'd been writing scripts for s2 of almost never since last year, all featuring mya's character. far too young, and a huge loss for all on the show. my heart goes out to her family." bbc presenter tee cee tweeted that she was "deeply saddened by the passing of cbbc actress mya—lecia naylor —
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althoughjust 16, what a legacy she's left for cbbc fans all over the uk who watched and loved the tv shows she starred in." our entertainment correspondent lizo mzimba is here. tragic news, she was just 16, tragic news, she wasjust16, what can you tell it? we don't have much more information at the moment. just the news that broke the last night about the sad news, she'd died. it was a few days ago. a terrible, terrible tragedy, of course, primarily for her family but also it's something that will be distressing for her young fans across cbbc and beyond, two very popular shows, millie inbetween, about two sisters whose parents had split up, a very real issue for people in this country today, but treated in a very funny way. and
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almost never, about warring girl band and boy band, to be on a fictional tv show. such sad news, she was at the start of her career, a tremendous amount of potential. terribly sad for her family, her fa ns terribly sad for her family, her fans and the industry who have lost a real young talent who could have be known to be a huge star. and she had actually first appeared on tv on ab fab as a baby. yes, playing the granddaughter ofjennifer saunders plasma character. she had a small role in the tom hanks film cloud atlas, she had done acting singer, she was a great dancer, just a really multi talented teenager who
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had a glowing future ahead of her. particularly sad news. where used to talking about actors at the end of their career who have passed away and they are looking at decades of work, but somebody like her at the beginning of their career, it's a real tragedy, devastating for her family, friends and fans. thank you very much. it's claimed to have cost businesses in london an estimated £12 million, needed hundreds of officers to police it, and led to the arrests of more than 300 activists. but will extinction rebellion‘s efforts be in vain, or will it, as it aims to do, help slow down climate change? demonstrators from the environmental group continue to blockade roads at four iconic locations in the capital, transforming the sites into mini festivals. the mayor, sadiq khan, has previously been supportive of the campaigners, but he criticized those yesterday who glued themselves to a train at canary wharf, expressing his anger at the disruption to public transport. this morning, three people were charged in relation
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to that particular action. our reporter, catrin nye, spent time with extinction rebellion ahead of these demonstrations. so far they've shut bridges, poured buckets of blood at downing street, blockaded the bbc and stripped naked in parliament. we are in the middle of an extinction! they're fighting climate change and want as many people arrested as possible, to try and get the attention of the government. i don't want to spend my weekend in a police cell. 31—year—old lorna greenwood recently joined extinction rebellion. she does feel guilty about wasting police time. but i don't feel like i have any other options. well, the environment secretary michael gove was on the bbc‘s one show last night and he was asked whether he had sympathy for the extinction rebellion protestors. i think that the people who are raising awareness of the problems that we have the climate change are actuated, moved by really high ideals. i do worry sometimes about some
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of the scenes that we've seen, some of the activity that goes on. i think it's appropriate for people to make their feelings known, but i also think that we've got the message, we understand that action needs to be taken. and in fact some of the activity that's been going on on the street has actually stopped people doing theirjobs and impeded, for example, people getting around london in a way that is appropriate. let's talk to cameronjoshi. he is a climate justice activist from london who was arrested at the extinction rebellion demonstration at oxford circus this week. this is his first media interview. eleanor penny is an editor at novara media who admits climate change is a crisis but is critical of the extinction rebellion‘s methods. and dr stefan skrimshire is an associate professor in political theology, eco—theology and environmental ethics at the university of leeds. he is supportive of extinction rebellion. welcome, all of you. cameron, lots
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of protesters have not been arrested, more have—nots than have, so what we are arrested for?” arrested, more have—nots than have, so what we are arrested for? i was arrested for obstruction of the highway, and section 14 of the public order act which is what the police are using to try and clear the road blocks. everybody could be arrested for that, while you picked out? i was picked because i was sitting down. if you stand up, a low risk of getting arrested. i was also picked because i did not move in the police asked me to move. you have been released under police investigation. but presumably you're free to go back and join the protest if you want? have you, will you?” will, definitely. why? ithink the main draw is that i don't think the severity of the climate crisis is talked about enough. i have heard that we're looking at up to 600 million climate refugees within the next two decades, huge swathes of the planet, places that my parents
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come from, that will be uninhabitable because they will become too hot in a few decades. these issues do have a lot of coverage, why do you think it's not been covered enough? the government isn't acting, quite simply. i heard michael gove say that he got the message, i don't think it is. the uk give £10 billion in subsidies to fossil fuel give £10 billion in subsidies to fossilfuel companies give £10 billion in subsidies to fossil fuel companies every year, and we have a decade long experiment on austerity. the uk says they will reduce carbon emissions by 80% by 2050, just recently the ultra low emission zone came into force in london, it is being tackled.” emission zone came into force in london, it is being tackled. i don't think those are bad things at all but i do think that not enough. there was a report that came out recently that said that the countries in the world are nowhere near wrong “— countries in the world are nowhere near wrong —— on track to reach their paris goals. but we're talking
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about this country, that you are protesting in. those particular targets a re protesting in. those particular targets are enough to mitigate —— not enough to mitigate the disasters ahead of us. so extinction rebellion once legally binding policies to reduce carbon emissions to zero by 2025, according to everyone looking at that, the zero carbon britain and others say it is not achievable, to say to get net to zero by 2030, britain would need 130,000 extra wind turbines which would cover the area the size of wales, everybody would have to cut back on meat and dairy, severe restrictions on flying, one flight every two years. and they say the numbers just don't stack up. i have heard that as well. i've also heard that a lot of people are saying it's possible. it's possible through a massive mobilisation. but they want to see carbon reduced so you have got to be
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realistic about it. it would require everybody changing habits. that doesn't take into account that we can do things to completely offset carbon emissions like rewilding, building forests and things like that. in terms of being realistic, what's realistic is just not ok. we're looking at hundreds of millions of people who are going to come back into poverty because climate crisis. countries that will sink into the sea, billions of people living in countries right now that are at risk of extreme civil conflict in the next few decades like syria. is it sensible to do things like public transport targeting when that is happening in a city where there is, as i say, the new measures to tackle highly polluting cars, one of the ways of tackling emissions is to get people onto public transport. when public transport is affected, when roads are affected, it causes disruption and it sends out a confusing
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message. i think those concerns are com pletely i think those concerns are completely valid. i think by the group is doing action like this causes disruption is because people need a build, they need to mirror the severity of the crisis we are in andi the severity of the crisis we are in and i think that kind ofjolt is working. when i got arrested the day before yesterday i brought along a lot of friends he had never been to a protest before and they had seen the occupations on the road blockades. quite a few of them are very supportive. i want to bring in our other guests as well but in terms of what actually impacts on hearts and minds and changing behaviour, blue planet led to people seeing the impact of plastic on our ocea ns seeing the impact of plastic on our oceans and it's had a transformative effect on things like plastic straws, suddenly, largely seen as not acceptable to use plastic straws. something like that not more powerful than something like what
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you are doing? there's a place for all types of action against climate change, because people are locking routes doesn't mean they think they shouldn't be documentaries out there that make a difference but at the same time it's important this is tackled, systemic crises, corporate power, inequality, our relationship with the global south, we exploit their resources and people, these are the main drivers of climate change and iffy about that, we want to tackle it. eleanor, what's your perspective, you are worried about climate change but you don't think this is the right way to do direct action? i'm coming from a place of great support and admiration for everyone on the streets today, i was there myselfjust earlier this morning, there is an amazing energy and it's incredibly inspirational to see people rightly pointing out that we are in the middle of a systemic, economic, political crisis which is endangering the very conditions of life on this planet. i do have a
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problem with some of the tactics such as a focus on getting people arrested because we've seen time and again, police have been known to use punitive tactics, targeting climate change protesters to try and dissuade them from further action because obviously, being arrested is costly, stressful, it's a time suck. it's not been a deterrent for cameron, has it? as you say getting arrested wasn't something that was fun. i agree with eleanor a little bit, they should be diversity of tactics but it's not a reason to not get involved in the wider movement, there's lots of non—arrestable rules. movement, there's lots of non-arrestable rules. absolutely. but i think we need to be focused on this being more ambitious, what i wa nt this being more ambitious, what i want to see as targeted campaigns to make sure we are making banks divest from fossil fuels and their industries because they cannot continue operations without the support of banks and when michael gove is saying the government has a message on climate change, he is
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being totally disingenuous, it's like saying i'm cutting back on alcohol but i'm only drinking on days ending with the y. there is an ultimate goal of cutting emissions by 80% by 2050. | ultimate goal of cutting emissions by 80% by 2050. i don't believe the government is really serious about those targets when they are continuing to take money from the fossil fuel industries and support it with our tax money. stefan, your view? i absolutely agree. i agree with cameron. society needs to wake up with cameron. society needs to wake up to the seriousness of this issue, like it hasn't been and you know, this movement is notjust about shock tactics, it's also about inviting everybody to be part of that movement. this affects all of this. this is notjust about a bunch of privileged people. this is a protest that affects all of our lives and our children and their lives. and it's about inviting them toa
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lives. and it's about inviting them to a new democracy. it's about changing society as well as getting the government to take greater action on climate change. it's about renewing society. let's bring in some of the view is shared by viewers to see if the message is getting through hearts and minds are being won. graham says the protesters self—indulgence lefty middle—class anti—capitalist to make themselves feel better by holding a bannerfor not themselves feel better by holding a banner for not providing any practical solutions on how to tackle climate change. they are increasing negative effects of pollution and punishing people using public transport. people are not talking about climate change, they are talking about the protests. liz is 15 and says she's been part of the uprising even though i'm breaking the law she says. i have to do that to save my future and that of my children. everyone is isn't a hippie as the media presents, there are people from all walks of life showing how people agree with what
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we're doing. jessica says it's about time we look at measures other european countries have made like france, using over 70% nuclear and iceland using almost 100% renewable resources . iceland using almost 100% renewable resources. the paris agreement is the minimum and not the standard. we can and should be doing much more. loads, i'm going to read a few more. bob says climate change protesters cede any moral ground when they hurt others, they are causing untold distress to the vulnerable and those working for the good of others. neil says it's appalling these tree hugging hippies are bringing our great capital to a halt and the police stand about doing nothing. we must be a laughing stock in the rest of the world. i've been subject to transport delays this week because of these morons and i'm not prepared to put up with that and will be tied any of them who get in my way. the police are a joke, the london mayor isa police are a joke, the london mayor is a joke, the uk is a joke. heather says get the army and, who was all down, give them 15 minutes warning. how do you respond, cameron? on the point, some those were ridiculous, getting the army and, it's ridiculous. on the point of disruption, it's a fair point. i think people are regretting causing
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disruption but at the same time, somehow saying this is causing emissions, that we are negating, it's ridiculous. i think that's a bit, frankly, pathetic as well. were looking at an enormous climate crisis, people aren't willing to do something serious how are we going to change? how long will these go on? you are going to go back, how long would you be prepared to sit it out? i haven't asked that question myself because it's quite a tiring thing to be doing, i will definitely be going back for a few days. i think the organisers hope for this to continue for at least a week or two. thank you all so much. thank you and thank you for your comments at home. keep them coming in, the usual ways of getting in touch apply. angie use the hashtag. and if you e—mail and you are happy for us to co nta ct you e—mail and you are happy for us to contact you and want to take part in the programme include your phone numberand in the programme include your phone number and remember texts are charged at the standard network rate.
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a hearing into the death of love island star sophie gradon, is due to begin later. the 32—year—old former miss great britain was found dead at her home injune last year. her parents had asked for the hearing to be postponed after new information was passed to them about her death. weeks after discovering sophie's body, her boyfriend, aaron armstrong, took his own life. our correspondent, fiona trott, is in north shields for us this morning. 32—year—old sophie gradon was found dead in a house in northumberland injune last year and at that time, the police said there were not believed to be any suspicious circumstances and they were preparing a report for the coroner. and remember all the tributes that were paid to her at the time, she had over 400,000 followers on instagram. she spoke about the effects of social media on children and people involved in that spoke about how she was loved and admired. you'll also remember a few days after her funeral, her boyfriend aaron armstrong was found dead. the coroner then, who is the coroner at this inquest, said
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that the 25—year—old hanged himself after drinking alcohol and taking cocaine. but in march this year, another love island contestant mike thalassitis was found dead at a park in london and police said his death was not being treated as suspicious. and then a few days after that, itv, which airs the show said that in future, love island stars will be offered therapy, social media training and bespoke financial advice. but certainly today, as far as this inquest is concerned, the coroner will try to establish exactly how the former love island contestant, sophie gradon, died last year. let's cross to paris where president macron is honouring some of the firefighters who tackled the notre dame cathedral blaze.
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you can see them filing into the elysee palace. the deputy interior minister has praised the courage and determination of firefighters who he says risked their own lives to salvage the stone structure of the notre dame and its towers. the fire, of course, completely destroyed the cathedral roof and caused its spire to collapse and it's been said that actually saving the cathedral came down to a crucial time window of just 15—30 minutes. and these are those who so bravely put out the fire and extraordinarily, there was just one injury as a result of the operation to put out the fire, one firefighter was injured but these are the people who managed to extinguish that fire. it took 15 hours, caused a lot of damage but it's been said it could have been so much worse if it had gone on even
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forjust much worse if it had gone on even for just another 15—30 minutes. president mccrone wanting to personally thank all of those who joined in all of the extraordinary operation. —— president mccrone. he says the cathedral will be rebuilt within five years. he wants to make it even more beautiful. whether or not there was russian interference in the us election in 2016 is a question that has hung over president trump for the past two years. it was that matter that special counsel robert mueller was asked to investigate nearly two years ago. his report was finally finished last month but only a four page summary compiled by president trump's attorney general was released to the public. the president declared himself completely exonerated, but now americans and the wider world will get a chance to see the evidence themselves with the release of a redacted copy of the full 400 page report later today.
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what did the mother report find? after 22 months of investigation, the report was finally finished in march this year and handed to the attorney general william barr. the headline however report stopped short of clearing him on the charge of obstruction of justice. clearing him on the charge of obstruction ofjustice. it's said any decision on those charges will be up to the attorney general. bart thought about it for a long weekend. then released a short summary of the findings and the interpretation of them. the headline, the president was in the clear on both matters.
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when did we get to read it? that brief summary was all that the public had been allowed to see of the extensive report until today. later on a 400 page redacted version of the report will be released and from the moment it drops, the scramble will be on to find more ammunition to defend the president or to find new lines of attack against him. so what has the president been saying? since the inquiry started president trump has described the accusations against him as fake news. treasonous and an elaborate hoax. and speaking at a rally after the summary was released, he didn't pull any punches in making his feelings known. and after three years of lies and smears and slander, the russia hoax is finally dead! cheering the collusion
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delusion is over. let's talk to inge kjemtrup, who is the chair of democrats abroad uk. greg swenson from republicans overseas. and clodagh harrington, who is the associate professor of american politics at de montfort university. welcome all of you. clodagh, in us presidential history, how unusual was the mueller investigation? very unusual really. it's certainly not an aberration for a president to have a special prosecutor investigating, that's quite normal ever since watergate day is back in the 1970s. having said that, normally they tend to happen much
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later on into the administration so what's been really challenging for president trump and his entire administration as the fact that this investigation began literally within three months of him taking off is normally, you have a president has gotan normally, you have a president has got an opportunity to get up and running, get himself established and get the tone and character of his administration set before he has to start dealing with this massive challenge. but it happened to trump almost immediately so almost his entire first couple of years has been coloured with this investigation. it's been really challenging, without a doubt. we heard him say the russia hoax is finally dead, the collusion delusion is over. over the course of this investigation 34 people have been charged so explain how that works? well, i would say that if you are a
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loyal trump supporter, what has gone on in recent times, the william bart summary and whatever comes out today in the redacted longer version, if you are a loyal trump supporter you will say, i knew it all the time, it was a hoax, the deep state of the mischief, they are all out to get him, etc. if you are an opponent, you will say, clearly, justice needs to be done and something has been hidden here and there is obstruction of justice and hidden here and there is obstruction ofjustice and calls for legal proceedings etc. so really, i think his base is as loyal as it ever was, his base is as loyal as it ever was, his public support has remained consistent, he did not drop at any point in relation to this investigation so i think you have the truth that you want to have depending on which side of the fence you are on. that seems like a good point at which to bring in my other guests. you have the truth depending which side you are on. how important
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a moment as this? i think the real important moment was several weeks ago when the summary came out. i don't think there will be any major surprises. i think the democrats would argue the narrative has shifted from collusion to cover up. i can't shifted from collusion to cover up. ican't imagine shifted from collusion to cover up. i can't imagine there is any cover—up here. their hero robert miller spent two years dedicated to this particular situation and the summary has come out which is pretty deliberate and i don't think bart would do anything which would remotely be considered a cover—up. --. ithink remotely be considered a cover—up. ——. i think after its democrats will pro bally ——. i think after its democrats will probally say there was nothing here but what about the redacted information? there must be something redacted. and that almost certainly will happen. it is expected there will happen. it is expected there will be a request. grand jury testimony must be redacted. these are absolute facts so i think the democrats will run further from the original argument which was starting from day one, that i hate trump so he must be guilty of something, they
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tried, it failed, i think this whole thing is ensuring his re—election. let's start with the report which was a let's start with the report which was a four page summary of a document we now know was 400 pages. this report reminds me a little bit like someone who does the book report the night before at not having actually read the bit but looks in the index and summarises, it's a little bit fanciful. he knew the full report will come out so he couldn't put out something that's com pletely couldn't put out something that's completely and couldn't put out something that's com pletely a nd totally couldn't put out something that's completely and totally members of the mueller team have talked about how the start of each section they had a summary which they had assumed would be used by william barr in orderto assumed would be used by william barr in order to summarise, and instead he came up with his own very up instead he came up with his own very up to very optimistic version. there's a lot we don't know but there's a lot we will know when we get 400 pages, albeit a lot of it redacted, for different reasons, not just for grand jury but also for ongoing cases. remember, you said earlier, there are 34 people who
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have been indicted, sorry, ithink there's 200 indictments out there already. so those are facts, aren't they? how is that happening if there's nothing conspiracy theory will continue, it will change, like i say it's gone from collusion to cover up. sorry, on the indictments, people are being charged. the one thing we all knew about this president, is a completely different type of president, he is not a politician, he didn't surround himself with the type of entourage that presidents usually have, reagan came to washington with his contingent from arkansas, president obama from arkansas. the trump inner circle we re arkansas. the trump inner circle were people i would not typically wa nt were people i would not typically want to have surrounding me if i we re want to have surrounding me if i were the president. you are saying he could be squeaky clean but others around him the day that portman fought and michael cullen were indicted was not a good day for the president but the president has two challenges, he doesn't deliver news
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very well. that's not criminal, it's just a violation of etiquette. the other thing is the people he surrounded himself with at the beginning, at least during the campaign, paul manford, those are not characters that you would want in an administration or any campaign. they got indicted, they we re campaign. they got indicted, they were convicted or at least manafort. this is getting out capone on taxes except they didn't get trump, they got some of his associates. it's more than a matter of etiquette, it's politicising, he's politicising hisjustice it's politicising, he's politicising his justice department. in terms of the allegations, if there is nothing that mueller could turn up that actually directly indicts president trump, do you not at this point have to leave it and start to ask questions about the democrats in the
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way they handle that? no one is above the law in our system and i think we need to see the entire report and i think that's what congress is eager to report. again, it's like the book report, you haven't read it, you skim through it and you came up with a very quick summary soi and you came up with a very quick summary so i don't think we actually know the truth yet. i'm also very interested that william barr is having a press release before tooth sort of give his spin on it, there's a lwa ys sort of give his spin on it, there's always this nature of spin, always this politicising with this administration. do you want democrats to read this with a view to impeachment, the house speaker nancy pelosi says he's just not worth it, she is not in favour of it. we want to find out what the truth is, we want to find out what happened during 2016, the trump administration contacts with the russians and we want to find out about that and we want to find out about that and we want to find out about the second half of the story which is obstruction ofjustice. about the second half of the story which is obstruction ofjusticem sounds like 2017 again, two and a half years, the report is out. it's
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completely clear. i don't think william barr would do anything suspicious with a report like this, it's the most transparent and obvious can be seen whatever the report says you both will continue as will many, absolutely sure of where you are coming from? will either of you accept the other side if there was something ..” either of you accept the other side if there was something i think if there was something i think ifi if there was something i think if i were the democrats you are a republican, what would you do? there isn't much to do, it's obviously clear there was no collusion and so, you know, this line, the one after brett kavanagh hearings, this might have been a second moment for the republican party is completely united because there is nothing, no dispute about what happened. we can disagree on certain policy aspects that the president has or we can agree, you know, we can disagree on personal etiquette and the way he delivers the news. but what's clear is he one, he won this whole, you know,
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two and have your scam and it's a great moment for him. and i think you'll see that today. i really don't think 200 indictments indicates that he's won anything.” think we are going to see what's out there first. and we will, about 2:30pm ourtime, we there first. and we will, about 2:30pm our time, we will get the publication and as we were saying, there will be a news conference first of all with the attorney general and then we will have that report published but it will be redacted so there will be bits missing. we will of course have coverage throughout the day on the bbc news channel. thank you bill. a 14—year—old boy has been arrested on suspicion of supplying class a drugs by officers investigating the death of 13—year—old carson price last week. let's get more from tomos morgan in cardiff the death happened late on friday ten miles north of cardiff. carson
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price died in the university hospital of wales in cardiff after being found unconscious in a park on friday late afternoon. police say a 14—year—old has been arrested on suspicion of supplying class a drugs connection with the death of carson price. that 14—year—old is being held in newport central police station and will be questioned with an adult present later today. now, police on monday said drugs may have been involved in carson ‘s death and although it's still unclear, it's understood that one line of inquiry that police are looking into is whether or not a form of ecstasy called donkey kong pills were used. now the head teacher of carson ‘s school has said it's a truly devastating news what's happened and the high school will be open over the high school will be open over the easter holidays to help any of the easter holidays to help any of the family is dealing with what
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happened and later today, there will bea happened and later today, there will be a community vigil held by the family. thank you for that update. earlier this week samsung sent out their new folding smartphone to a number of media outlets, including the bbc, hoping to wow the world with what appeared to be a very impressive bit of engineering. perhaps now they wish they hadn't. some of the journalists with the phones have had a few issues, reporting this and this and this samsung said they'd received "a few reports" of damage to the main display, and would "thoroughly inspect these units in person. this is some of the reports.
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samsung said they received 80 reports of damage the display and will inspect the units in person. —— they received some reports of damage. it's a bit a significant setback to the company's hopes of wowing the world with what, at first glance, was a very impressive feat of engineering. the bbc‘s technology reporter chris foxjoins me now. what was the phone like to use? it's big, it's it's big, its heavy, this metal hinge is heavy, the critics, eve ryo ne hinge is heavy, the critics, everyone who was sceptical says if you make a folding phone what's to stop the screen breaking and it's alarming that in the first few days of reviewers having it, there might only be 20 of them out there in the ones with reviewers and at least four screens are broken already. it's weird, they must have been rigorously testing that because as you say, it's the first thing you think. samsung says it should
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survive 200,000 opens, in daily use would last you a year or two at least. one of the first things they told us when we got our fun was that they were offering all customers a year of free protection so if your screen grows faulty within the first year they will replace it no questions asked. interesting that came up as one of the first points before we got our hands on the device, they told us they would replace broken screens. 1800 quid is what it costs and they say it will last a year. at least 200,000 opens. people out there will open —— pay that amount of money to have the latest gadget. when you see someone on the cheap you will be like, what is that, that looks amazing. there will be people who will pay. in the future if they came down in price a lot of people would happen if it was a choice between a regular phone and this folding phone, it is kind of cool this folding phone, it is kind of cool, it kind of makes sense when you use it that you can open up absent from the small screen onto
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the big screen but it's too expensive. thank you. we are just about done for now. don't forget that mueller report being published round about 230 pnr time, with coverage on the bbc news channel. it's expected the attorney general will make comments to the media and the report will be published but it will be redacted and that will no doubt become the next area of discussion with the democrats saying they want the full report to be published. stay across bbc news for full coverage. thanks for your company today, have a lovely easter. victory is back on tuesday. see you soon. goodbye. hello. some of us got off to a misty and murky star, some dense patches of fog slowly lifting. so will the temperatures. good spells of sunshine across most of the uk, cloud developing free time this afternoon especially across the
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western isles, wales, perhaps the western isles, wales, perhaps the west midlands. a dry, pine unsettled day, quite a brisk north end with easterly wind, taking bad temperatures for eastern and channel coast but in the sunshine and temperatures quite widely between 17-2021d. temperatures quite widely between 17—2021d. some parts of southern england reaching 22 degrees, the warmest day of the year so far. this evening and overnight things are fine and dry, some mist and low cloud reforming. perhaps not quite as dense as what we saw last night, not as cold as the night gone in scotland, temperatures reaching for— 5 degrees, 7—9 further south. good friday and into is due weekend, things looking dry, increasing amounts of sunshine, more cloud across parts of northern ireland and scotland. goodbye.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's 11 am and these are the main stories this morning: 400 arrested as climate change protests continue into a fourth day — the group behind it warn their tactics will escalate if demands are not met. meanwhile, in a new documentary, sir david attenborough gives his gravest warning yet on the threat of climate change. if we have not taken dramatic action within the next decade we could face irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies. three days of national mourning on the portuguese island of madeira — after 29 people were killed in a bus crash. more delays to london's crossrail — bbc news is told the service might not open to passengers until 2021 — more than two

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